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Friday Rant: Time to get rid of the legacy support on motherboards

By | August 20, 2010, 7:11am PDT

A piece by Lars-Göran Nilsson on SemiAccurate on how Intel’s P67, H67 and H61 chipsets will lack native PCI support brings to my mind the need to get rid of a lot of the legacy support on motherboards altogether.

It annoys me how motherboards, even high end parts, come with support for floppy drives and Parallel ATA hard drives, and some even come equipped with … wait for it … modems! On top of that, boards still come with ribbon cables for PATA and floppy drives, which means that a regular system builder like myself ends up hip-deep in the things.

Seriously, if you’re going to be spending $500+ on a mobo, do you really need PATA disks and floppy drives? Now, those of you still using XP might argue that floppy support is needed add drivers during the install process, but an XP SP2/SP3 CD (either original or one slipstreamed together) supports loading from a USB drive as long as it’s mapped to A:\.

Then there’s those LPT and COM ports. Again, who needs these in 2010? OK, I’ll accept that there’s perhaps a small number of people still making use of such devices, but again, the vast majority of those buying a new motherboard won’t.

And while I’m in a ranting mood, why do notebooks, in particular high-end notebooks, still come with a frickin’ built-in modem?

Excuse me while I go scream into a pillow …. ARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

The reason why manufacturers do this is to give the impression of offering value, but so much of this legacy support is now valueless and pointless, so much so that it’s laughable. It also makes for bad design. For example, in cramming unnecessary stuff onto a motherboard, placement of stuff that you actually want to use, like SATA and USB headers, are seriously compromised.

Time to cull the legacy support guys.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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    sparkle farkle
    20th Aug 2010
  • RE: Friday Rant: Time to get rid of the legacy support on motherboards
    @sparkle farkle

    ...or run a spel chek.

    It's just for the Tea Party - you know, the plaid shirt wearin', neck beard growin' folks who just now are buying their first computers.
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    corton
    20th Aug 2010
  • Those plaid shirt wearin' folks who built this country
    @corton
    It's just for the Tea Party - you know, the plaid shirt wearin', neck beard growin' folks who just now are buying their first computers.

    You mean, the same hard workin', plaid shirt wearin', neck beard growin' folks who built this country? While others, by the boatload now, sit on their fat lazy asses raping it for all it's worth, and dreamin' up ways to reconstitute it to their cosmopolitan views?

    Thought so.
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    klumper
    20th Aug 2010
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  • RE: Friday Rant: Time to get rid of the legacy support on motherboards
    @corton
    Nice way to play on cartooned stereotypes. Maybe you wanna come out of your society of elitism and hubris of intellect into the 21st century. Political stereotypes are no longer trendy.
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    shadfurman
    22nd Aug 2010
  • RE: Friday Rant: Time to get rid of the legacy support on motherboards
    @sparkle farkle

    I don't understand this thread. Are corton and klumper arguing about the people who fax from a laptop, or those who use spell check?

    Next thing you know, we'll have Sarah Palin bad-mouthing faxers and spellers on Twitter. Then her tweets will get picked up in the mainstream press, and finally the 6 o'clock news. And we'll have the pair of you to thank for it.
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    DaveN_MVP
    20th Aug 2010
  • Plaids n Palin
    @DaveN_MVP
    I don't understand this thread. Are corton and klumper arguing about the people who fax from a laptop, or those who use spell check?

    Not bad, to include Ms. Palin's inevitable angst. wink

    To answer your question though, I'm just reminding corton who built this country. Where he's coming from, gawd knows.
    ZDNet Gravatar
    klumper
    20th Aug 2010
  • RE: Friday Rant: Time to get rid of the legacy support on motherboards
    But how would I download new DOS disk utilities and games from the BBS? wink
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    Agnostic_OS
    20th Aug 2010
  • Thanks for the chuckle.
    @Agnostic_OS That's got to be the first time I've heard anybody use the term BBS, even in jest, for at least oh, 15 years or more. And I'm one of those guys who keeps his original Hayes Smartmodem 300 around as a reminder of just how far we've come... and how much remains to be done to improve communication among people.
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    Jeff Dickey
    21st Aug 2010
  • RE: Friday Rant: Time to get rid of the legacy support on motherboards
    @Jeff Dickey
    I've played on BBS's less than 15 years ago...
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    shadfurman
    22nd Aug 2010
  • You're right, as long as BIOS and OS are modern
    My current laptop is an HP 6930 and it needs at least one more USB port and an HDMI port. Instead I got a modem port and a Firewire port both of which I have no use for.
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    terry flores
    20th Aug 2010
  • What do you use for backup?
    @terry flores FireWire 800 beats the pants off USB 2.0 in real-world data transfer rates, and 400 is usually ahead by a nose. One of my clients has a slew of FW800 drives all over; they call USB "Two Dot Slow."
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    Jeff Dickey
    21st Aug 2010
  • Perhaps geeks are why high-end mobos still have legacy support
    I would actually contend that the geeks that high end boards are marketed to are the MOST likely to make use of legacy connections.

    HUH?!?

    Yeah. It's the geeks that know to use a floppy to flash your bios-- because you're more likely to brick a motherboard with those windows utilities than you are to update your bios.

    It's the geeks that have several drawers full of old PATA devices that they're going to call on for some project or experiment. A spare drive to mess with Linux or OS X86. An extra CD burner for when they're ripping their cd collection to a new format-- again.

    It's the geeks that are providing tech support for their extended family and friends and need legacy connections to run diagnostics or test legacy hardware on a different box.

    The exception here may be the modem. Geeks usually find broadband like a shark finds a meal. But there are plenty of legitimate reasons to include a modem-- especially on a laptop.

    Remember also that motherboards are usually sold world-wide. Not every country-- or even every part in the US-- has broadband connectivity as abundantly as we city folk enjoy.
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    ericesque
    20th Aug 2010
  • RE: Friday Rant: Time to get rid of the legacy support on motherboards
    @ericesque

    Actually, you are wrong about that. The fact is that a Windows flashing thing MADE BY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE MOTHERBOARD is no more nor less likely than a floppy drive to brick your motherboard.

    And, most times, when the motherboards are bricked while doing an upgrade? Something on the computer has given out, usually the BIOS chip itself.
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    Lerianis10
    20th Aug 2010
  • RE: Friday Rant: Time to get rid of the legacy support on motherboards
    @Lerianis10
    The fact is that a Windows flashing thing MADE BY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE MOTHERBOARD is no more nor less likely than a floppy drive to brick your motherboard.

    Only in recent years. Not once upon a time.

    And, most times, when the motherboards are bricked while doing an upgrade? Something on the computer has given out, usually the BIOS chip itself.

    And even more so by user error, generally born of a lack of preparation and/or knowledge, followed by untimely "acts of God" (as in, *out go da lights*). Fortunately for novice plunkers, things keep getting more fail safe with each passing year.
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    klumper
    22nd Aug 2010
  • @Klumper: True, but?
    after thirty years in this industry, I've become convinced that there is no such thing as absolute "idiotproofing." Nobody ever went broke overestimating the ingenuity and dedication of the American idiot; proof against most idiots is the best we can hope for.
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    Jeff Dickey
    21st Aug 2010

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