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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Google and Microsoft trade blows in public over patents

By | August 4, 2011, 4:02am PDT

Summary: Google claims that Android rivals are using ‘bogus patents’ to attack the mobile OS, but Microsoft offers up evidence to suggest that Google dealt itself out of patent discussions.

Yesterday Google’s SVP and Chief Legal Officer, David Drummond published a blog post calling attention to how Android rivals are using ‘bogus patents‘ to attack the mobile OS.

It’s a strongly-worded attack, claiming that rivals are carrying out ‘a hostile, organized campaign against Android by Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and other companies, waged through bogus patents.’ To do this these companies are ‘banding together to acquire Novell’s old patents … and Nortel’s old patents’ in order to ‘to make sure Google didn’t get them’ and then ’seeking $15 licensing fees for every Android device’ in order to ‘make it more expensive for phone manufacturers to license Android (which we provide free of charge) than Windows Phone 7.’

Drummond then goes on to attack the way patents are being used:

‘Patents were meant to encourage innovation, but lately they are being used as a weapon to stop it.’

Then Drummond goes on to suggest foul play and anti-competitive behavior:

‘This anti-competitive strategy is also escalating the cost of patents way beyond what they’re really worth. The winning $4.5 billion for Nortel’s patent portfolio was nearly five times larger than the pre-auction estimate of $1 billion. Fortunately, the law frowns on the accumulation of dubious patents for anti-competitive means - which means these deals are likely to draw regulatory scrutiny, and this patent bubble will pop.’

Drummond also hints at Google’s plans to counter these attacks:

‘We’re also looking at other ways to reduce the anti-competitive threats against Android by strengthening our own patent portfolio. Unless we act, consumers could face rising costs for Android devices - and fewer choices for their next phone.’

Strong words, but Microsoft took exception to some of the accusations. First to respond publicly was Brad Smith, Microsoft General Counsel, who had this to say via Twitter:

Next up was Frank Shaw, Microsoft Head of Communications, who added:

Here Shaw is referring to another Google SVP and General Counsel. Attached to this tweet was this email that Walker had sent to Smith:

Brad -

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you - I came down with a 24-hour bug on the way back from San Antonio. After talking with people here, it sounds as though for various reasons a joint bid wouldn’t be advisable for us on this one. But I appreciate your flagging it, and we’re open to discussing other similar opportunities in the future.

I hope the rest of your travels go well, and I look forward to seeing you again soon.

- Kent

So Google turned down the chance to join forces with Microsoft in a patent deal … which sort of destroys Google’s argument of being cut out of the loop. It seems the search giant dealt itself out of the game.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

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Speculation--MS has sealed NDAs
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! 4th Aug
@Johnny Vegas
But hey, everyone speculates, myself included.
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Google failure
IE9 4th Aug
Obviously Google did not want to do a joint bid with Micrsoft because they wanted to use the Nortel patent against Microsoft.
They knew Micrsoft was a licensee for Nortel patents.

Microsoft offering google to jointly bid on the patetns shows that their main interest want to protect their licensing deal and not to use the Nortel patents against Google.
@IE9 Umm, they never said they invited Google to bid on Nortel, they said, NOVELL! Big difference as Novell was heavy desktop side.

One could also say this strengthens Googles argument as they didn't want to be blatently violating these laws.
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@Peter Perry

Google just wants 100% control. It is telling 1/3 of Rockstar were Android OHA members.
@Peter Perry
It was a tweet and I'm sure both names come up across his desk alot these past couple of months.
Dear Drummond, if you want to do business stop stealing ideas or eating off the work of others & nobody would sue you. Did Google get sued for it's search algorithm?
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Typical Google. We didn't win so now we are gonna whine and then sue. This is not the first time:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/google-sues-us-government-over-hosted-e-mail-bid-against-microsoft/7859
@athynz
A Judge agreed with Google claims.
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@daikon

What does that say?
LOL that is hilarious. Google always seems to screw things up which is why I won't use their products or services. But this instance, well its just embarrassing for them.
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Google needs to stop crying like a baby
iPad-awan Updated - 4th Aug
and concentrate on fixing their crappy products (instead of fixating on what other people are doing). If Google had at least one product that just works than maybe we can take them seriously. Right now Google is one big, fat joke.
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This is yet another superficial gloss.
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! Updated - 4th Aug
Legal posturing continues--when Microsoft can get around to citing which patents are a party to the long-standing 'so-called' ip infringement by Linux, with specific code line references, we'll have maybe the beginnings of a story.

Everything else here is puffery, smoke and mirrors.
Software Patent Law needs an overhaul.
signed licensing deals without MS telling them exactly which patents they were claiming were violated...
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Speculation--MS has sealed NDAs
Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate! 4th Aug
@Johnny Vegas
But hey, everyone speculates, myself included.

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