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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Is Mozilla after Apple's halo?

By | February 19, 2009, 11:22am PST

Yesterday I came across an interesting piece on AppleInsider which mentioned how Mozilla (and Skype) now supports the EFF’s request for an exemption to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act related to iPhone jailbreaking. Is Mozilla after Apple’s halo?

Now, let me be clear from the outset and say that I think that the EFF has a valid point. How Apple is controlling the iPhone is a great example of the company’s iron-grip tactics that it uses to create and control an isolated ecosystem that generates revenue above and beyond the sale of the device. I agree with EFF’s staff attorney Fred von Lohmann that Apple’s arguments against an exemption amounts to little more than FUD. Apple’s lock-in of users to the App Store through both technical and legal means is little more than a way of grabbing customers by the ankles, turning them upside down and shaking them until there’s nothing in their pockets but lint - all of which is nothing less that I’ve come to expect from Apple.

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Is it time for Mozilla to refocus on Firefox?

OK, but what’s Mozilla’s interest in the iPhone? After all, Mozilla CEO John Lilly has already gone on the record as saying that even if the law allowed it, Mozilla would probably not develop a compatible browser for the platform. Seems like Mozilla is wading into this argument purely on principal. And this isn’t the only argument that Mozilla has waded into recently. Mozilla is also getting involved with the EU in relation to Microsoft’s bundling of IE with Windows. It seems that Mozilla are in the mood for picking fights, and given that it’s taking on Microsoft and Apple, it’s punching way above its weight.

Here’s my take on things. Mozilla is getting involved in a PR offensive against both Microsoft and Apple. Microsoft is an easy target because, well, there are plenty of people who have strong negative feelings about that company. And Apple … well … that company has for years enjoyed good press. My guess is that Mozilla is wading into these issues in order to come across as a “people’s champ,” protecting user’s freedoms from being taken away by large, monolithic, faceless corporations. There’s an opportunity for a lot of PR and ink (both real and digital) from these kinds of involvements. Also, it’s a chance to win more friends, both in the open source community and beyond. That said, it’s likely to annoy some folks too.

Personally, I’d rather that Mozilla wasn’t get caught up in politics and concentrate on developing a good product. When I last blogged about Mozilla getting involved in the whole IE bundling debate, some readers started joining the dots between these new political involvements and the continued delay of Firefox 3.1 beta 3. I don’t know if there’s any connection between the two events (personally I doubt it), but I’d still rather see Mozilla concentrating on software. There’s still plenty to be done on Firefox.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

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you DO have an option...
tmsmqwx 23rd Feb 2009
"Apple?s lock-in of users to the App Store through both technical and legal means is little more than a way of grabbing customers by the ankles, turning them upside down and shaking them until there?s nothing in their pockets but lint."

Wow! You'd think we were in the old Soviet Union or the current "People's" Republic of China. Adrian, I had hope for you when you told the folks who think Apple should start selling on the cheap to quit their "whining." But I see that you are not above your own whining when there is clearly a viable option here - DON'T BUY iPHONE!! The free market will decide on Apple's business model. One cannot be shaken by one's ankles if one does not wish to be. Go buy another "open" phone where you can load it down with all the 3rd-party crap you want - knock yourself out.
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Shooting yourself in the foot.
ChrisOPeterson 19th Feb 2009
I don't buy the whole Apple is evil and their walled garden hurts
consumers line. I enjoy being in the Apple garden and I am willing to
pay a bit extra for it because everything just works well together,
viruses are kept to a minimum, etc, etc. Forcing open the platform
through legal means would piss me as a consumer off. I bought in
with the full knowledge that I would be locked in, to a degree, in
Apple's world. People who complain after the fact have no justification
whatsoever.

At the same time I think Apple is doing the worst possible thing it
could do to keep their status quo intact. If Apple just ignored the
hackers and let them develop without interference then we could have
the best of both worlds. People who want to stay in the apple
ecosystem could and people who want to hack can. Apple should
frown upon it but not do anything to actively stop them.

Sometimes I think Apple's legal department exists in its own
Cupertino vacuum.

If apple continues to look like a bully (even though i think that
characterization is fallacious) then its going to get its walled garden
torn down and no one but the hackers are going to be happy. Not
having centralized control over the platform would remove all the
benefits of the Apple ecosystem to me.
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Paraphrase?
MGP2 19th Feb 2009
Sometimes I think Apple's legal department exists in its own Cupertino vacuum.

So, you're saying "they suck"? devil

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Zing!! nt
midenginedrift 20th Feb 2009
nt
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I enjoy being in the Apple garden

It's called Stockholm Syndrome and it describes a phenomenon where a victim starts to apologize for the actions of their abuser. You seem to be a classic case. I hope you are able to get yourself some help. sad
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monomaniac octopus
var/tmp 19th Feb 2009
Wouldn't use the trash you do for anything, MS-boy. NON-Zealot. What a
laugh! Nor would I have dealings with a semi-criminal organization like
Microsoft.

Apple's not holding a gun to the OP's head nor mine. And they're quite
happy for buyers to go elsewhere. As Jobs said, there are sectors of the
market they don't serve, because they simply can't sell crap. Nor do they
put pressure on OEMs to take their OS - in fact, they reject overtures.

MS are basically not happy for anyone to buy elsewhere at all. And they
try to make darn sure you can't. They've put fake error messages in to
stop people booting into OS/2; they've forced OEMs distributing BeOs to
make it near impossible to get into it; they'e punished OEMs for selling
Linux, and the same goes for those that distributed Mozilla's predecessor
Netscape.

It's like dealing with a monomaniac octopus. Anyone who puts up with
that must have "Stockholm Syndrome" and a half.
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right....
OhTheHumanity 19th Feb 2009
Is that why itunes always removes the cd/dvd from my computer everytime I uninstall the crapware that it is? Oh right its Microsofts fault, because no other application has ever done that crap to me and makes you wonder who is purposely placing issues in systems? Seems like Apple has more ability to pull that junk off. Also seems to me that Microsoft is doing a pretty good job on interoprability these days. I don't see MS pigeon holing me into what apps I can run on their systems. Also nice line from Stevie Jobs, they don't make crap. Right is that why the president of my company had to return his iphone twice for defects? He was pumped when he first got it but found out that Apple is no different in the end and everyone masks the truth because Apple fans are so loyal like a cult they do get stockholm syndrome and never realize it. Go talk to people that don't care about Apple but have Apple products and you will see they don't "just work" all the time. Just like any other software or device. Its all about the tools, not the lifestyle bling bling.
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You're the one that needs help
GoPower 19th Feb 2009
You're totally fixated on anything Apple related. You're obsessed with them. Get some help before you have a "total" mental breakdown.
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What do you mean "before"? nt
Marcos El Malo 19th Feb 2009
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it's his choice
markbn 20th Feb 2009
Let everybody make his own choice of
what to use. From what he said, he
knew beforehand about the "lock in". I
appreciated his sincerity.
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Funny stuff....
OhTheHumanity 19th Feb 2009
"I don't buy the whole Apple is evil and their walled garden hurts
consumers line. I enjoy being in the Apple garden and I am willing to
pay a bit extra for it because everything just works well together,
viruses are kept to a minimum, etc, etc."

You like being in the so called "walled garden"??? Are you serious? Its like saying you like being in the U.S. and have no need to venture outside of it. Sure it may be a fine life, but it doesn't open up your mind to other things and cultures. Apple's walled garden is nothing more than killing competition so they can reap the profits and take a piece from everyone and everything. How does an industry open its mind or expand beyond the walled garden? Also you need to be careful about thinking your walled garden is your security, because as IBM has shown us all, Apples OS is right at the top of the list of vulnerabilities and top of the list in not disclosing those vulnerabilities. So if Apple is patching all these things, seems to me there is something to compromise. If not they would not be patching brother. Get a clue, I should be able to put any app I choose on my device from whoever wrote it. Sure they got alot of apps, but its part of the principle of the thing that matters.
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I agree, at least to a degree...
Cayble 19th Feb 2009
When you know your buying into a product thats going to lock you in to a particular market, hopefully you will also have some clue as to the drawbacks/advantages/expense of being locked into that marketplace,I agree, you buy into that with open eyes, your getting what you want to at least that degree.

The main problem exists in the less then highly knowledgeable millions who purchase many Apple product is:

1. They don't realize they are buying into a locked down marketplace

2. They don't realize there may be some disadvantages to buying into the locked down marketplace

3. They don't have any clue of the costs that may be involved in a locked down marketplace

4. When a product is promoted as a high end lifestyle choice it inspires people who can afford it to purchase it believing that its supposed high end status means they are not going to ever find out its hobbled by being stuck in a closed marketplace.

So in the end its a real question if just because some who are actually aware of the shortcomings of a product they purchase justifies creating that locked down market when the manufacturers know fully well that millions will purchase the product without knowing what they are getting into.
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RE: Is Mozilla after Apple?s halo?
Juan2772 19th Feb 2009
I agree with Mr. Kingsley-Hughes. Firefox has been slowly
creeping down in terms of my personal usage due to what
I feel is a bloated experience and slow performance. I use
Camino about 60% of the time, Safari close to 35%, and
Firefox barely 5% (and really only to access
Bloomberg.com's videos in its atrocious Windows Media
codec.

While I feel it is important that tech organizations be
involved in the discussion and vetting of the evolution of
the Internet, going after Apple's measly App Store
ecosystem seems a waste of energy. If Mozilla wants to be
taking seriously, they need to develop a better experience
than the Mobile Safari and use the press should Apple
deny a place in the App Store.

As for Skype, which I use, I can understand why Apple is
reluctant to put Skype in the App Store due to their
agreement with AT&T. Should an unlocked iPhone be
released, Skype should be allowed in the App Store. I do
not understand why they cannot currently allow it for iPod
Touch users (though this may have to do with the App
Store unable to differentiate between whether a buyer has
the iPhone or iPod Touch).

I hope Mozilla 3.5 or 4.0 turns things around. I really feel
users need a strong contender to IE.
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When you can no longer create good products
GuidingLight 19th Feb 2009
you then delve into politics.

or

Junping into politics directs your focus away from creating good products.

It is important yo find out which one is the real reason.
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RE: Is Mozilla after Apple?s halo?
var/tmp 19th Feb 2009
Juan2772:

"If Mozilla wants to be taking seriously, they need to
develop a better experience than the Mobile Safari and use
the press should Apple deny a place in the App Store."

Not going to happen, baby.

The iPhone isn't a lowest-common-denominator device
with this runtime and that one and pile all the crap in.

"iPhone OS has four abstraction layers: the Core OS layer,
the Core Services layer, the Media layer, and the Cocoa
Touch layer."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS

(If only OS X on desktops/laptops were so clean and not
such a hodge-podge as it is!)

To run on the iPhone Mozilla would have to rewrite their
mobile browser (itself fairly new and not very ready) with a
pure "Cocoa Touch" interface. And having done that,
they'd have software that wouldn't run anywhere else.
Even Opera, who have a far better and more mature
mobile browser than Mozilla have indicated they'd balk at
that. Not a good use of resources. How much would it
cost? And all they'd get back is what Google would pay
them on search referral from the mobile browser. It's not
worth the game, even if Apple were willing (which they're
probably not).

It makes it even more mysterious why Mozilla is wading
into the EFF's latest piece of grandstanding. (Not that I do
think people shouldn't hack their own equipment if they
want to, but the EFF are so bloody pompous and self-
righteous that they're off-putting.) Even if people do
"jailbreak" their iPhones, Mozilla's got *nothing* for them
to put on them.
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Can you explain the poll?
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 19th Feb 2009
Mozilla supports the EFF efforts. OK. Mozilla seems to be in an ornery mood. OK, maybe, maybe not, so what? So, the poll, should Mozilla refocus?
a) More focus on MS and Apple and similar battles? Less?
b) develop for the iPhone then pick a fight when blocked?
c) Refocus into the de-facto mobile browser?
d) Focus on working on the browser? When haven't they? Where did they stray? Are they focusing on a game console?

TripleII
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Apple has every right
jorjitop 19th Feb 2009
to control the software on iPhones. They design systems, both hardware and software. And it seems, people like them. If you don't like being locked in, there are now dozens of iPhone wannabees to choose from.

That is not to say that I would not like to have Firefox on my iPhone. There are many things missing from the iPhone that I would like to have. And yet, everyone seems to be rushing to compete with it, and claim that they are better. I guess the total experience has won people over . . . just like the original Mac.

There will be a new generation iPhone coming in a few months, and everyone will be rushing to compete with it.
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Walls and fences are...
arminw 20th Feb 2009
not only there to keep consumers locked in, but much more
important, keep predators and intruders out. Before modern
times, cities and towns had walls around them, not to keep
people in, but to keep enemies out.

That's why we have a 10 foot high fence around our garden. It
keeps the deer from eating our plants inside. Apple's walls on
their products keep worms and viruses out very effectively. In
the case of the App Store the wall also makes it very difficult
for software pirates to rip off developers, so they can lower
prices because they get paid for every copy.
It sounds like you would welcome it if Apple decided that you could no longer install any application on your OS X desktop/laptop unless it was approved by Apple.
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Because...
Userama 20th Feb 2009
you don't use your desktop to potentially make 911 calls.
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You don't????
MGP2 Updated - 20th Feb 2009
Because you don't use your desktop to potentially make 911 calls.

Ever heard of Skype? MagicJack? And probably a dozen other IP phone devices that people here can probably name?
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Skype does not have access to 911
markbn 20th Feb 2009
I am not sure about Magic Jack
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MagicJack does...
MGP2 20th Feb 2009
http://www.magicjack.com/1/faq/

Disclosure. magicJack respectfully requests your assistance in our voluntarily E911 service offering by checking the applicable box on the "registration screen."

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Magicjack
scottseattle 20th Feb 2009
does have 911. MJ calls it E911 and you have to register it to work effectively after setting up the MJ on your machine. MJ also loads unremoveable spyware on your computer FYI.
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Taken to the extreme
markbn 20th Feb 2009
Only use your phone to make, well,
phone calls.
...just as long as you realize that you completely void the
warranty and completely release Apple from any responsibility
when your phone fails to work because you installed some POS
software on it.

Apple has worked hard to create a reputation for quality products,
and has a lot riding business-wise on maintaining that
reputation. I can't blame them one bit for being picky about what
gets installed on the iphone. Put Mozilla on that hot-selling G-
phone.
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by someone who is picky. Hahaha
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Remember when AAPL started distributing Safari with iTunes packages on Windows. Lilly came out with letter calling it downright malware like.

They seem to equal opportunity so yeah I guess the might be going for the whole peoples voice angle.
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RE: Is Mozilla after Apple?s halo?
mkathiravone 19th Feb 2009
As said Mozilla should concentrate on development
rather than back working to the competitors. Mozilla
has it own fans, let mozilla concentrate on its own
business

Cheers,
Kathiravan Manoharan
http://kathyravan.blogspot.com
http://paisamechanic.blogspot.com
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Connecting dots
honeymonster 19th Feb 2009
We have seen a disconnect between Mozilla management
and engineering on the EU bundling issue. Apparently
engineering wants Mozilla to stay away, management
wants in.

We have seen numerous and continued delays of the
Firefox 3.1 release.

Mozilla Firefox is now the browser with the most
reported vulnerabilities. FF2 has had 2x the vulns of
IE7 despite having the same age. FF3 has 7 months in
alread more than half of the 3 year old IE7.

Firefox still has not built in extra defensive and
reliability mechanisms the most important of which is
process isolation. Chrome and IE7 both have process
isolation. This is a larger architectural change which
doesn't come easy.

Firefox was caught off guard with the speed and
compliance of Chromes V8 javascript engine. From the
outside it looked like they scrambled in almost panic
to finish their greasemonkey engine. Incidentally the
javascript engine seems to be at the core of their
present problems with FF3.1

Firefox stands to lose funding. Chrome signals that
Google will not continue to fund 85% of Mozilla
Foundation. If Chrome catches on, Firefox may lose all
of that. Think they may sell their "default search" to
Microsoft? Nah.

Mozilla have a window of opportunity here. They are
riding a wave of goodwill and right now funding is ok
because there is almost 2 years left of their Google
deal.

The lack of good, viable alternatives (sorry, Opera)
has meant that users have been prepared to put up with
a sub-standard browser when it comes to reliability.
Both FF2 and FF3 has been plagued with memory leaks
and instability. For a long time Mozilla successfully
deflected it as "caused by extensions", but still they
have been quashing memory leak bugs with every update.

But the goodwill may erode if 1) they are experiencing
continued delays 2) quality is worsening because of
bugs in a rushed JavaScript engine or 3) the new
javascript engine is sub-standard security-wise.

The latter point is actually very important. As I said
above, Firefox has for some time now (contrary to
public belief and their carefully groomed image) been
the most vulnerable browser. Javascript is centrally
placed in the FF architecture. Many extensions are
written using JS. Security bugs in the JS engine may
have profound implications, more so than in any other
browser.

I don't believe that Mozilla management are engaging
in these political battles because they want to
deflect attention or something. Rather I think that
their propensity to do so is a sign of an organization
that have problems living up to their proud heritage
and finding the reality increasingly difficult,
despite their continued success on market share.
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Tell that to the Google apologists
markbn 20th Feb 2009
who said utterly ridiculous things
when Chrome was released such as that
it was not going to affect Mozilla in
any way.
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All about public image/perception
iTeaBoy 20th Feb 2009
Mozilla is trying to broaden their appeal from a largely techie base to more of a 'joe public' computer user type.

Pointing to well known/accepted injustices as saying 'that's not right, we should do somethng about changing that' is an old political/PR tactic. (that actually works very well!)
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Apple has a halo?
Cylon Centurion 20th Feb 2009
You sure? I don't remember ever seeing one.... happy
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I don't think you understand..
msalzberg 20th Feb 2009
what the EFF is asking.

They are asking to be allowed to break the law. Further,
they are asking that only Apple be stripped of its copyright
protection. Why? Because, according to the EFF, hackers
drive innovation. Anyone, according to the EFF, should be
allowed to alter copyrighted code.

They are asking for nothing less than the repeal of
Constitutionally mandated copyrights.
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You're the one who doesn't understand.
masonwheeler Updated - 20th Feb 2009
>They are asking to be allowed to break the law.
The law is already badly broken. The EFF is trying to fix it, a little at a time.

>They are asking for nothing less than the repeal
>of Constitutionally mandated copyrights.
They are asking for the repair of Constitutionally mandated copyrights.

The DMCA has nothing whatsoever to do with the principles that the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote a copyright provision into the Constitution.

The United States Constitution was written only a few decades after the original copyright law, the Statute of Anne, was drafted by the British Parliament. The statute of Anne was written for the explicit purpose of protecting people from the abuses of publishers wielding modern technology (the printing press) to the economic detriment of everyone else.

The DMCA, by contrast, was written specifically to allow publishers to abuse modern technology (DRM) to the economic detriment of everyone else. DRM, and the DMCA anti-circumvention provision which makes its use legal, are abominations to anyone who understands how computers work, and perversions of the Constitutional concept of copyright. They both need to go, and the sooner the better.
Apple, being the #1 distributor of DRM encrusted material and the #1 user of DRM to tie their OS to their hardware, to tie their MP3 player to their music store, to tie their phone to their application store, has a vested interest in making sure that laws like the DMCA are enforced to the extreme. Apple zealots, basing their self worth on Apple's financial success, have a vested interest in apologizing for everything that Apple does. It is a sickness that sadly, all of ZDNet has to suffer because their disease is visible in every post they make here. sad
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You do mean...
msalzberg 20th Feb 2009
Microsoft, when you talk of the #1 distributor of DRM, don't you?

You do realize that you don't ever have to use the iTunes Music Store
with an iPod, right?

You do realize that you're making a fool of yourself again, don't you?
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No, you don't understand...
msalzberg 20th Feb 2009
whether DMCA is a broken law or not, it is still the law.

The EFF is asking for an exemption to the DCMA to allow them to alter
Apple's copyrighted code.

Article I, Section 8, clause 8: "To promote the Progress of Science and
useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the
exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries"

I see nothing in here about publishers or modern technology. Authors
and inventors have exclusive Rights (the capitalization of "Rights" is
James Madison's, not mine).

Whether the DMCA is good or bad is another issue. The EFF is asking
for exemption from copyright laws.
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re: No, you don't understand...
Tsingi 20th Feb 2009
it's not just a good idea, IT'S THE LAW!

Go run over a cliff.
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You're getting worse...
masonwheeler 23rd Feb 2009
>The EFF is asking for an exemption to the DCMA
>to allow them to alter Apple's copyrighted code.
Copyright law has always been full of exemptions. It was never supposed to be anywhere near as exclusive as modern copyright proponents want people to believe it is. Even the DMCA is no exception. It has specific exemptions for many things.

>Article I, Section 8, clause 8: "To promote the
>Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing
>for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the
>exclusive Right to their respective Writings and
>Discoveries"
>
>I see nothing in here about publishers or modern
>technology. Author and inventors have exclusive
>Rights (the capitalization of "Rights" is
>James Madison's, not mine).
Article I, Section 8, clause 1: "The Congress shall have Power To..." There's no copyright law contained within the United States Constitution, only the permission for Congress to draft it. And the model of copyright law that the Founding Fathers were familiar with was the Statute of Anne. The DMCA, and modern copyright law in general--pretty much everything that's been done to it since the 1970s--is a mockery of the original concept.
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Re: Statute of Anne
Tsingi 20th Feb 2009
Well said. I forwarded this to a few people. I think those booksellers are all dead, but the RCAA (?acronym) will stand in nicely.
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RE: Is Mozilla after Apple?s halo?
phatkat 20th Feb 2009
A catch 22 for Apple. If Apple locks down the iPhone it has more control to prevent malware and other issues that can affect the reliability and functionality of the iPhone but if the Apple opens the iPhone to unchecked software then they can open for issues about the iPhone they have no control over.
IMHO Apple should release two phones, one locked and have a full Apple warranty & support and another unlock but only have warranty for manufactured hardware issues, this is so people have an choice and Apple is protected from undue support/warranty issues related to "unauthorized" software or hardware on the iPhone.
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MS vs Apple vs GNU/Linux
Tsingi 20th Feb 2009
I hate MS, Apple likes to lock you in, but it runs on BSD, I like that. GNU/Linux rocks.

We have choices. Microsofts FUD is no longer pulling the wool over everyones eyes. Yes you can fool some of the people all of the time, but we don't care about them. The market is opening up.

Industry is beginning to see the real cost of Microsoft lock in tech. And they do not like it.

I believe that Microsoft is going to lose. Hell, Balmer, who has always been a staunch believer in locking up tech, and killing Apple and open source is now saying that he will embrace it.

I for one will be trusting Microsoft and their open source initiative as far as I can throw a piano.

The team that went to display my live SVG airport radar display at a big airport authority last week were afraid to tell me that they could not show it because the IM dept. would only allow IE.

I just laughed.
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Open source principles?
erikswanson 20th Feb 2009
Isn't that reason enough?
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Just imagine...
fungo 21st Feb 2009
It's great to support Apple as long as they're the underdog. But try to imagine a world where Apple is as big and dominant as Microsoft is today. Clearly, they'd be AT LEAST as evil (and probably much worse). Apple's "walled garden" is only tolerable as an alternative to Microsoft's relatively open one. But neither is open ENOUGH in the long run. (And I'm not so sure about Google's picket-fence garden, either. I can see people at Google standing ready with rolls of barbed wire...)

So be a zealot for whomever you like, but realize that this is all local and temporary. In the long run, ONLY free software (as in speech) makes any sense. Today, I'm a heavy Windows user and frequent Mac/iPod/iTouch user... but it's pretty obvious that this situation MUST NOT last, if digital information technology is to advance to its full potential.
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you DO have an option...
tmsmqwx 23rd Feb 2009
"Apple?s lock-in of users to the App Store through both technical and legal means is little more than a way of grabbing customers by the ankles, turning them upside down and shaking them until there?s nothing in their pockets but lint."

Wow! You'd think we were in the old Soviet Union or the current "People's" Republic of China. Adrian, I had hope for you when you told the folks who think Apple should start selling on the cheap to quit their "whining." But I see that you are not above your own whining when there is clearly a viable option here - DON'T BUY iPHONE!! The free market will decide on Apple's business model. One cannot be shaken by one's ankles if one does not wish to be. Go buy another "open" phone where you can load it down with all the 3rd-party crap you want - knock yourself out.

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