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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

It's too early to declare Windows 8 an iPad killer

By | September 14, 2011, 2:40pm PDT

Summary: There’s a lot of stuff that has to happen if Windows 8 is going to become a serious tablet OS, let alone make have any impact on the iPad.

Yesterday a few Windows pundits got overexcited at the sight of Windows 8 at the BUILD conference and started declaring Windows 8 an iPad killer.

Woah there … REWIND!

It’s way too early to declare Windows 8 an anything killer, let alone an iPad killer.

Here’s an example of a pundits getting all prematurely, this is a tweet by Paul Thurrott:

I think Thurrott’s got the stepladder out to hang up ’Mission Accomplished’ banner already. Slow down! There’s a lot of stuff that has to happen if Windows 8 is going to become a serious tablet OS, let alone make have any impact on the iPad.

#1 - Microsoft needs to make a compelling case for Windows 8 tablets

I know that it’s easy to think that traditional computing (that is, ‘doing it on a desktop or notebook’) is dead, but it isn’t. Not by a long shot.

One thing that Microsoft needs to start talking about is why we need the full Windows OS on a tablet. I know it’s Windows, and I know that’s a big deal for Microsoft, but what advantages does a full-blown OS on a tablet have over Android and iOS? What will having Windows offer over the competition?

Note: There are a number of very good reasons for why Microsoft wants to shoehorn Windows onto tablets - two that spring to mind instantly is 1) Microsoft makes a LOT of money from Windows, and; 2) There’s no app ecosystem that has to flourish in advance of a release. However, these are two benefits for Microsoft, not the user.

So, Microsoft, why is Windows on a tablet the OS of choice?

#2 - OEMs have to play their part

If a Windows 8 tablet is to become successful then the big-name OEMs are going to have to do their bit. They’re going to have to build good quality hardware and sell it at a reasonable price. OEMs are wary of putting a lot of time and money into speculative markets - take a look at how cautiously they’re entering the ultrabook market. There’s a lot of risk in new markets and devices (just ask HP about the TouchPad) and no one wants to invest in something that might flop.

And OEMs trying to sell Windows tablets are going to have a harder time that Apple as selling the iPad. What differentiates the product from one OEM compared to another? Usually it’s just price, which means that Microsoft will see it’s OEMs fighting one another, and that will kick off a race to the bottom in terms of price.

#3 - Windows 8 is still a ways off

There’s many a slip ‘twixt the cup and the lip.

Probably the earliest we’ll see Windows 8 hit PC s is April 2012. That’s a LONG way off in tech terms. It’s at least one iPad iteration away, which means that there’s no point looking at Windows 8, or even reference specs for tablets, and comparing them to the iPad 2. Any Windows 8 tablet is going to be going up against the iPad 3 … and we don’t know anything about the iPad 3.

#4 - Legacy support

One of the advantages of having Windows on a tablet is the fact that it’ll have support for all your desktop/notebook software and hardware, right?

Well, maybe … see the issue here is that Microsoft has been talking a lot about an ARM version of Windows for tablets, and this version won’t offer legacy support.

Microsoft so far is being coy about the ARM version of Windows. The tablets that were given out to developers at the BUILD conference was an x86 machine running Intel Core i5 silicon. Also, there’s no ARM version of Windows for download.

If tablets are going to be powered primarily by ARM processors, then there will be no legacy support … so that kinda kills off one of the primary reasons for having a Windows-based tablet.

#5 - Will Windows 8 tablets have any effect on the iPad (or vice versa)?

Why does Windows 8 tablets have to compete with the iPad (let alone become a ‘killer’)?

The way I see it, the iPad stands alone. Apple doesn’t even call it a tablet. Sure, it is a tablet but I think that when people are buying an iPad they’re not thinking ‘oh, I’m buying a tablet,’ they’re thinking ’oh, I’m buying an iPad!’ Big difference.

Will a Windows 8 tablet affect the iPad? I don’t think it will. The iPad is to well established and appeals to a different audience.

[UPDATE: Dwight Silverman has a good post over on TechBlog listing the Four things that will make - or break - Windows 8. He offers up four additional points that I think are equally valid. Check it out.]

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

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RE: It's too early to start declaring Windows 8 an iPad killer
blue787 14th Feb
Time will tell !
"It is probably not as early as ZDNet writers declaring that desktop computing is dead!" he opined as he typed away at his desktop pc.
@GunbladeAddict +1
@GunbladeAddict

Not to early to predict a total failure by Microsoft to even START.
@GunbladeAddict
himself pointed to a new product asking "is this the iPad/iPhone killer?"

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@GunbladeAddict

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wrong killer
The Linux Geek 14th Sep
iPad (and windoze) will be killed by android.
@The Linux Geek You need help sir !!!
@The Linux Geek
Please, do not M$turbate in public.
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@paul2011 LMFAO grin
@paul2011 That was goooooood happy
@The Linux Geek
yeah!! Its the year of the Linux Tablet! :P
@The Linux Geek
why paint yourself as a fool, get advise or help...
@The Linux Geek
why paint yourself as a fool, get advise or help...
@The Linux Geek
why paint yourself as a fool, get advise or help...
@The Linux Geek
Because Android is doing so awesome in the market now... 2 forks so far and none that are useable.

and windoze... really? wow...
Hmm, tough one, i have no doubt that W8 will do well on pc's and tablets, and iT will eventually be mostly at the expensive of laptops/netbooks and yes also the ipad. I do own an ipad2 and whilst it is a fun device, it is nowhere near capable enough to replace my "on the couch" laptop. A Windows tablet might be. Let's wait and see what pricepoint we will be looking at, but my first preference will definitely be an x86-64 tablet. If they manage to get it a price tag of say 600-700 bucks, my ipad will be shelved. I am not that thrilled about Arm in any case, and we see intek powered devices make up on the battery part, but for me that's not even that great concern, I mean even the ipad2 will not last long enough for my next transcontinental flight, so I will leave it at home in any case.
@sjaak327
>> I mean even the ipad2 will not last long enough for my next transcontinental flight
Wow ! you are going to be looking at that thing for more than 10 hours during your flight ?
@mKind

The flight is 12 hours, battery life on the ipad2 is at best 7 hours, 10 hours is marketing talk, not a reality.
@sjaak327 He asked if you were going to be looking at it for more than 10 hours, not questioning how long the flight was. Not sure where you get the 7 hours from but I know that we easily get 10 hours out of our iPad and so does everyone else I know that have either the iPad or iPad 2. Even if it only gets 7 hours your not going to take it because of that? What are you taking that gets better?
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It is that simple. MS has some really good design principles in its Metro interface and the OEM component strategy is a real killer to any hopes of Android Tablets ever taking off. Likewise, VS is a top class development toolset unlike Google's Eclipse PITA solution.

In the meantime, Apple will ship 100,000,000 additional iPads before the first commercial Windows 8 tablets hit the market late next year. Android is stalled with an installed base of 1.5 million tablets after nearly one year of tablets.
@Bruizer

I may have to agree with you on that. Windows could easily eclips Android sales numbers on tablets. But they have to keep the pricing very competitive.
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"but what advantages does a full-blown OS on a tablet have over Android and iOS?"

If you to ask this question, then you've got bigger problems. Because it's quite easy to understand what a full OS offers over a limited, gimped mobile OS.

For what it's worth, Thurrott wasn't making the claim that you assumed he was. He was simply stating that the Windows Tablet OS is here. Paul Thurrott is probably smarter about these issues than most tech journalists. Then again, most tech journalists are idiot fanboys themselves.
@jhammackHTH

I'm still asking the same question. Unless you plan to use the device docked to a keyboard the majority of the times. At which case you'd be better of with a notebook or netbook with keyboard attached. As we are seeing now with the iPad, nooks, Playbooks etc, the tablet form factor are more suited for consumtion and light computing. That's not to say there won't be users using the device with all its full OS. There are users still using Slates and Tablet PCs from decades past. But the majority of users IMO will be looking for less complexity from this form factor not more. Microsoft is betting a bad hand.
@dave95. I think MS should be given some credit for at least trying to come up with an innovative OS. However, I certainly agree with this poster???s comment. I am not much of a techie and I am not in the IT or computer field (this is my first time commenting on any tech site) but it seems to me that the vast majority of people who have been purchasing ipads already have a laptop or desktop computer at home that they use for everyday purposes and for things like composing long, complex documents. presentations, spreadsheets, processor intensive computing tasks such as video editing, etc. They use their ipads for browsing, email, looking at photos and videos, playing a few games and so forth primarily when they are out and about or sitting on the couch or in bed or wherever. I have been at business meetings and some job sites where a number of participants are using ipads to take notes or show and pass around blue prints and other materials to those present (and sometimes photos of the family vacation!) but otherwise the ipad was not designed for enterprise use--- despite what some of Apple???s advertising may indicate or talk in some quarters about the ???post PC era.??? . The only way a Windows 8 tablet (or any other kind of tablet) is going to compete with the ipad is on weight, price and battery life (up to 10 hours on the ipad). I don???t know if anyone else here has seen other articles about Windows 8 on various tech sites but the Samsung developer preview model it was installed on apparently has A FAN that runs pretty loudly and consistently during normal operation. http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/13/windows-8-tablet-photos-video-preview/ What does that tell you? It means that Windows 8 on a tablet is going to soak up battery life (even if and when running on ARM) , is not likely to be priced at or below the ipad and is almost certainly going to be heavier than the 1.33 lb a 3G ipad weighs. Game set match. Cramming a more or less full blown version of Windows on a tablet is just not likely to be successful. If people want a complete OS they will use their desktop or laptop. If road warriors want a light weight computer with a standard keyboard for business travel they (or their employer) will get a MacBook Air or one of the forthcoming Ultra Portable Windows laptops that several OEM???s are beginning to release. Recreational users who want a secondary computer for casual use will get an i[pad---or something very much like it. People who want a full range of options and applications and need to do serious work at home or the office will be using their desktops and laptops for those tasks----whether Windows or Mac or Linux---not an ipad and not a more expensive, heavier, lower battery life Windows tablet regardless of how many features it might have. Windows 8 may turn out to be a great desktop OS---time will tell. But, I just don???t think it will succeed on a mobile device.
@zurich1900 WOW shocked ever heard of paragraphs?
@dave95.
You have a choice of between either a desktop orlaptop PC, and a tablet.

One common operating system designed to be used as you see fit, the parameters not restrained to that which the manufacturer decides is needed.

If you wish to use Windows 8 on a tablet for consumtion and light computing, it will do that. If you need it to be more, it will do that also.

You do not have that choice with iOS or Android tablets.
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@Mister Spock

What you're describing is the same Windows Slates and Tablet PCs we've seen before from this company. They're not like an iPad or Galaxy Tab for instance, those are light efficient modern mobile electronic devices. These Windows 8 tablets are more like traditional computers running Windows but on a tablet form factor. And with a metro shell above to mask the fact that its the same ol' strategy. They will even require fans to keep them cool. The Samsung demo unit had a fan (game over).

It's not about having the choice, it's what's best suited for such a form factor. Complexity of full Windows, fans to keep the device cool, probably far less battery life, beefier hardware from OEMs will price it way out of range next to an iPad. That's not the direction we should be heading with tablets.
@jhammackHTH What's the advantage is a valid question. Sure it's obvious what advantages a full blown OS has overall but the question is if it's an advantage to most buyers in the tablet market and it's very valid.

Thurrot may not have been making the claim but I have seen other blogger let alone tons of posters here making the claim that it's game over as soon as Win 8 tablets arrive. Of course many of these same posters said the same thing about WP7 and we see how that has turned out so far.
He also Tweeted this today: Made a joke yesterday. Here's what I really think. iPad, Win8 tablets, and Amazon tablet will all own some part of this market. Obviously.

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"2) There???s no app ecosystem that has to flourish in advance of a release. However, these are two benefits for Microsoft, not the user."
Actually, having a large array of apps available at launch is a benefit for the user.
Microsoft has been doing Windows tablets for years, but they never caught on. So what's new about this iteration? Ah, it's more like the iPad. But this is the problem for Microsoft. The more Windows heritage their tablet OS has, the more it's like the failed tablets of the past. The more like an iPad it is, the less it is an iPad killer.
From an engineering point of view, the iPad is a triumph of optimisation. Hardware, firmware and OS have been designed together and the software vetted to ensure responsiveness, long-battery life, ergonomics. Apple can do this because it controls the entire process. The iOS interface is designed to exactly complement the physical positioning of the hardware controls. MS with multiple hardware vendors cannot do this. Its real opportunity to compete is with Android devices, where it can offer the same benefit -- many choices of device -- and is competing on a level playing field as far as integration is concerned.
@MartinMTurner yes but thus time they didn't shoe horn windows onto the tablet.
This will effectively give Microsoft the win in the enterprise tablet market.

"One thing that Microsoft needs to start talking about is why we need the full Windows OS on a tablet. "...

Can you imagine how many 'apps' it will be able to run from day 1 if it is capable of running all of today's Window's software?
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Yes, I can - none, because...
Solid Water 14th Sep
@digital838

there are not that many Windows 8 tablet applications on the market. wink
@Solid Water Except that pretty much any app that runs on Win 2000+ will run just fine on Win8. That means many millions of apps
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but these will not be tablet optimized...
doctorSpoc Updated - 15th Sep
@digital838... and the public has spoken over the past 10yrs.. they are not interested in poking at tiny widgets on a ten inch screen.. in application with interfaces designed for use with mouse and keyboard with their fingers or even worse with a stylus.. what you guys seem to be missing is that.. Win8 tablet optimized apps will be next to nil.. and none of these legacy apps will run on ARM.. as far as tablets are concerned Win8 is just yet another entirely new mobile OS starting from scratch.. just like WebOS, just like QNX on Playbooks, just like Honeycomb on android tablets..

Win8 on tablets has no legacy app support.. it's effectively yet ANOTHER brand new mobile OS starting out from scratch needing to build app portfolio, and ecosystem and consumer buy-in..
@digital838 Would this be the same enterprise that has basically passed on the available Windows tablets for the past decade? I just don't see what the real difference is between those and a Win 8 tablet. Sure Windows 8 will be different but without drastic capability changes are they going to be much different from a hardware standpoint such as weight and battery life? Are they going to be about to compete on cost or still be in the $1,500-$2K range? When the ARM based Win 8 and hardware become available do you lose all the benefit of being able to run the legacy apps, at least with any performance?
Legacy Support: I think that can be mostly doable with integrated hyperV, but I am not sure how much the hardware would support it without sacrificing the performance.
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"Legacy"
archangel9999 15th Sep
@Rama.NET While the Samsung tablet given away at BUILD is Intel based - Nvidia's already showing a reference build of a Win 8 tablet using their Kal-El quad core processor

Old x86 binary executables would need a binary converter - but any .Net-based apps would run as is - the .Net CLR will be processor specific and able to JIT to the resident processor's instruction set - so in these cases, "legacy" has little meaning
I can see many IT departments interested in Windows Slates because it will integrate into their existing Windows run systems well, unlike iPads. Apple just isn't interested in the Enterprise customer. That is their Achilles heel that will prevent broader business market share.

As much as I like Win 8 Slate, I don't think that it will compete well against the iPad. The iPad is a media consumption device that can do productivity tasks. The Win 8 Slate will be a productivity machine that can be a media consumption device.

I am still concerned that Win 8 slate will require too much computing power for existing arm chips and even current atom chips. I have yet to view any video clips of the Samsung tablet that MS handed out.
@mstrsfty : 'I have yet to view any video clips of the Samsung tablet that MS handed out'

You know there are these useful search sites called Bing and Google, right?
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@mstrsfty I've got an Acer Win7 tablet that works quite well - I can use it for anything short of large scale development and high capaacity computing needs when I need my hex core desktop - for consumption there's no real difference between how/what I use it vs. what I'd use an iPad for - I have Kindle and Nook for books/magazines/newspapers/etc, internet browsing, mobile TV, video playback, photo and video editing, games - plus I have the complete Office suite, use of any other Win-based apps, seamless integration with my home and business LAN, servers, and printers, etc.
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Sorry to say so, once you click on the desktop tile, you get a very confused Windows 7 interface. The Files Explorer is totally redesigned. If you select a file and press the Del key, it goes up to the previous level instead of deleting it. You have to click the Delete icon in the ribbon menu. However, the Delete key works in deleting the file name and typing in a new one. The tiles are, at present, lipstick on a pig. There are no apps out there which seem to be touch friendly, not even some sample apps. While Windows users may be comfortable to an extent, it is still a desktop OS underneath, albeit confusing. It does not look or behave like a tablet OS in any sense. Even the ribbon interface is not totally touch friendly, some of the options are too small for touch to work properly. I installed Google Chrome to see how it would work, it works exactly like a desktop browser. My feeling is that the tiles may draw in the crowd, but what lies underneath may prove repulsive to anybody who has seen a tablet at work. Having the familiar Windows structure may have worked if they had not changed the menus and the UI.
@iRMX The sample apps aren't touch friendly? Seriously? You ARE running Win8 and the Metro tile UI, right?
@iRMX I don't see the tiles drawing in the crowd myself. Granted I have not used it or WP7 to know the experience but to me it's a complete turn off. Since I have not used it I won't make any claims about it being good or bad but it hasn't really drawn in any crowds with WP7 so not sure why it would with Win 8. Win 8 overall will probably be successful simply due to the fact that it will move to being the standard OS on all new PCs shipped but will the people really like it? Overall people don't like change and this seems like a major change that they might rebel against.
The iPad killer is going to be Apple and their heavy handed nature.
@Peter Perry Right, they killed iPad, they're now shipping iPad 2, soon they will kill that and ship iPad 3....
@Hasam1991 LOL happy
android all but killed the wind of iphone's sails. windows 8 has just killed the wind of ipad sails. just acept it. apple can't compete with google, nor can it compete against microsoft. they can only do well when they are unchallenged. once competition matches their early lead, apple ALWAYS fizzes out like pop can. we saw it with the mac, we saw it with the iphone, and we'll see it with the ipad.

the post apple world started with android and will be completed by windows 8.

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