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McAfee issues fix, and apology, for hosed XP SP3 PCs

By | April 22, 2010, 7:40am PDT

Security vendor McAfee has published a fix for the definitions update that triggered a false positive and rendered XP SP3 systems unusable.

The definitions update, labeled as “5958 virus definition file” was released at 2.00 PM GMT+1 (6am Pacific Time) on Wednesday, April 21. This update incorrectly detects svchost.exe as malware. Problems resulting from this include:

  • Continuous reboots
  • Missing taskbar
  • Loss in internet connectivity

McAfee has issued a fix, available here. There’s also a forum thread that users can take advantage of for support and to vent their frustrations.

Barry McPherson, McAfee’s executive vice president for worldwide technical support & customer service, had the following to say:

In the past 24 hours, McAfee identified a new threat that impacts Windows PCs. Researchers worked diligently to address this threat that attacks critical Windows system executables and buries itself deep into a computer’s memory.

The research team created detection and removal to address this threat. The remediation passed our quality testing and was released with the 5958 virus definition file at 2.00 PM GMT+1 (6am Pacific Time) on Wednesday, April 21.

McAfee is aware that a number of customers have incurred a false positive error due to this release. We believe that this incident has impacted less than one half of one percent of our enterprise accounts globally and a fraction of that within the consumer base–home users of products such as McAfee VirusScan Plus, McAfee Internet Security Suite and McAfee Total Protection. That said, if you’re one of those impacted, this is a significant event for you and we understand that.

Our initial investigation indicates that the error can result in moderate to significant issues on systems running Windows XP Service Pack 3.The immediate impact on corporate users was lessened for corporations who kept a feature called “Scan Processes on Enable” in McAfee VirusScan Enterprise disabled, as it is by default, though those customers could also be impacted when running an on demand scan.

The faulty update was removed from all McAfee download servers within hours, preventing any further impact on customers.

McAfee teams are working with the highest priority to support impacted customers. We have also worked swiftly and released an updated virus definition file (5959) within a few hours and are providing our customers detailed guidance on how to repair any impacted systems.

An apology is all well and good, but the fact that yet again we see that a security vendor can push updates to customers that can disable PCs shows that there’s a serious problem with how these firms go about testing updates before letting them free into the wild. The impact that this problem will have had on affected users is great, and represents greater disruption that most malware would present.

If these firms want the trust of being able to push updates to systems that can potentially cripple systems, we as customers need far greater transparency as to what testing is done on definitions before they are released.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

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Where was the apology? Did I miss it? All I saw was how little a group of people it affected. I felt that they said to basically get over it and move on.
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Thank you for the info. I lost connectivity for wireless after their "Urgent update". Luckily I had a long cable to connect to. I have been waiting for their tech support for about a half hour now.
I was hit at home last night. I had finished the upload and waited until late to run a scan.
What is funny (yes there is a funny part) is that I had checked my e-mails and saw a zdnet bulletin about McAfee, but decided to not read it until lunch today. Yeah. I could have avoided the whole mess that is waiting for me to get home to fix.
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They also shutdown a 911 center, different update I suspect:

http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=8671&rss

Not that it's their fault necessarily, the IT people should have been on top of this. It does however highlight a problem.
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Classic problem - get it out fast or take time to fully test against all the possible configurations.

Also, since they are testing THEIR systems and are likely configured as to how THEY recommend them - and not how people actually do - real easy to miss something like this.

Do they have two hundred physical systems with different software and hardware and configs and test against them or just a base system with just XP and run against it?

QA is very expensive in time / hardware when done right.
Are you listening Dell, HP and other OEMs. Stop shoving McAfee down the throats of your new customers/users. Small wonder McAfee screwed up, the products they crank out are so bloated, all they seemed determined to do is take over your PC, and constantly nag you with issues responsible PC owners should be managing anyway. Let's not talk about resource hog. I'll stick with ESET thank you very much.
Looks good on McAfee, but I feel sorry for their victims. McAfee products are so bad, they have to pay others to give them away!
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exactly!
john_gillespie@... 22nd Apr 2010
Some of my clients were hit by a similar problem a few days ago.
MicroSoft issued an 'update' and it detected a virus and stopped the
update in mid stream, hosing the clients computers. Who can we blame
for that? After all, we knew it was Windows so is it other user's fault?
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McAfee...
Lost Cause? 22nd Apr 2010
In my experience doesn't find and fix the viruses anyways. Dump McAfee and use MalwareBytes / Vipre.
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jmcess@... 22nd Apr 2010
Everyone should go out and by PC Cillin from Trend Micro. It is by FAR the best antivrus/spyware/malware yadd yadda yadda out there; it is worth every penny and you can install it on more than 1 computer (i think up to 3 comps)
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McAfee said that 0.5% of McAfee users were hit by the
update. Taking into consideration that they're playing
with numbers, this seems really low.
How many machines were affected? Most reports say 40% of
their machines. Certainly I, and many in my company, were
hit by it.

Anyone want to have a guess?
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My company lost about 25% of the PCs. Some were saved because they were powered off but most because they are still on SP2. Sometimes it pays to be slow in innovation... wink
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get over it
john_gillespie@... 22nd Apr 2010
Get over it, it's Windows!
So you paid your MS tax today. Move on.
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RE: get over it
jimmycap 22nd Apr 2010
And the Linux troll strikes again. Go read your Computer Shopper and stop bugging the working world.
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I first read this story on MSNBC News, before looking it up on ZDNet. It's starting to look to me like we might as well trash the Security Software, and let all the other critters through.
What I find the most shocking, is that it's one of the world leading security vendors this time. I'm surprised I haven't seen more of this frome the likes of Microsoft Security essentials, or AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition, which are both free packages! Oh Dr. Solomon, why did you dissappear!?
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Root cause
pwatson 22nd Apr 2010
McAfee must deliver adequate testing before delivery. It is part of the product.

Many companies and software developers think of testing as a minor part of product delivery. They staff testing with less experienced and less capable people. Wrong choice.

I learned from my friend Roger many years ago that if testing fails to find any problems, then testing has failed.
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Of course McAfee should get a healthy dose of static for bungling it. But
also note that it happened on a nine-year-old operating system, two full
versions ago. I don't like giving Microsoft money either, but how long
can XP-ers cling to the past?
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re: clinging to the past?
kingtj 22nd Apr 2010
XP may be a 9 year old OS, but you have to consider that MANY people opted to skip completely over the next OS they offered, Vista, because it was such a poor release!

Therefore, for quite a few corporate AND home users, there wasn't a sensible choice for an upgrade from XP until Windows 7 came out. And at least for corporate users, most consider it foolish to rush into an OS upgrade without waiting for at least 6 months or so, to make sure any "show stopper" type bugs are discovered by the early adopters and taken care of. Combine all that with the poor economy - and you've got exactly what you're seeing now. LOTS of people still running XP and just now gearing up for a migration to Windows 7 as they replace aging computers.
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Clinging to Past?
LadyGray 22nd Apr 2010
As long as it keeps playing World of Warcraft, there is no reason to upgrade . . .
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Numbers count
klumper 22nd Apr 2010
XP is still the most popular OS out there, and by a substantial margin. The units affected are also running the latest MS Service Pack released but two years ago, so this is hitting diligent boys and girls. If those factors don't qualify for heightened scrutiny on the McAfee testing radar, I'm not sure what would - or should.

Of course McAfee should get a healthy dose of static for bungling it.

Congrats for getting that part right.
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XP SP3 is only 2 years old.
AzuMao 22nd Apr 2010
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However, XP as an OS is...
Cylon Centurion 23rd Apr 2010
9 years old at this point. That's an ancient dinosaur.
..making it an ancient fish.




It doesn't matter when a piece of software first came out, but rather when it was last maintained.
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Monetary damages?
softwareFlunky 22nd Apr 2010
That's what keeps corporations that shoot from the hip in line.
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Get Windows7 and free yourselves from this madness!
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Manage 20,000+ machines, all with McAfee VSE on them. Didn't loose one. Why? Luck. Most run VSE 8.5 not VSE 8.7, VSE 8.5 not impacted. What VSE 8.7 we have is the couple of dozen Windows 7 machines, also not impacted. Also we don't take the DAT right out the box from McAfee. Pull for a 100 user eval group about 2-4 hours after release. Pull for everyone else about 12 hours after release. I knew about the issue before we were scheduled to have the bad dat pulled to our systems.
"Apology?" I don't remember reading "We're sorry" anywhere. Is the Kentucky State Police Dept. suing for the loss of a full day's use of their computer systems? How about all the other businesses and people affected.

McAfee is a poor cousin to other vendors anyway. Time for McAfee to either learn the lesson that Symantec has recently implemented in their products, or just pack up and call it a day.
In May 2009 McAfee completely wiped out a simple program I had used since 1997 both in the C:\Program Files folder and the zip file it came in. I called them and repeatedly got a "Thank you for reporting a new virus ...." No matter how much I explained that my program wasn't the malware, but McAfee was. Apparently the "help desk" personnel were thinking in their native language (Indian or whatever) and could not understand "McAfee destroyed my program and is the malware, not a virus." I quit McAfee and got another anti-malware from a vendor that rated much higher in detecting attacks by various malware testing firms. In summary, I not only did not get an apology for my program's erasure (without warning) there was no acknowledgement of their package's false "cleaning" of my machine. This article just confirms my decision and solidifies my resolve to not consider McAfee ever again.
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So let me get this straight...
The 'G-Man.' Updated - 23rd Apr 2010
They NEVER tested this update at all. As if they did the system would have crashed.

I can't quite believe that a company that is shipping updates to millions of PC's do not test said updates.

I hope heads rolled.
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hmmm..
thx-1138_@... 23rd Apr 2010
"...This update incorrectly detects svchost.exe as malware."

I dunno ... many would say that's easily debatable.
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About 12% @ my firm. A couple of hundred laptops, many of which we could not "get to" by traditional means. Most of the companies I've compared notes with were in the 8% - 15% range. Probably several million impacted worldwide.

The McAfee Exec is not being honest. The issues were more severe than he noted, and the population of impacted users was likely 20-30x the number stated.
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McAfee dunped 3 yr. ago
olddogv 24th Apr 2010
We dumped McAfee 3 yr. ago due to hogging resource. Have been running Kaspersky on our windows machines, Klam on our Linux stuff ever since. ZERO problems, no excessive resource drain.
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ha ha xp users.
wb.cnote 25th Apr 2010
Lol that sucks but now I got to tell my XP loyalist
friends off about not upgrading. :P

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