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Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4

By | July 14, 2010, 3:01pm PDT

Summary: During a keynote speech at Microsoft’s Worldwide Partner Conference (WPC) Kevin Turner, Microsoft’s chief operating officer compared the iPhone 4 to Vista.

Shoe is on the other foot now …

During a keynote speech at Microsoft’s Worldwide Partner Conference (WPC) Kevin Turner, Microsoft’s chief operating officer compared the iPhone 4 to Vista:

“It looks like the iPhone 4 might be their Vista, and I’m okay with that.”

Ouch!

Turner went on to humiliate Apple further:

“One of the things I want to make sure you know today is that you’re going to be able to use a Windows Phone 7 and not have to worry about how you’re holding it to make a phone call”

Yikes!

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
richardw66 19th Jul 2010
@trickytom2

The iPhone is not crappy 25% of the time.

The iPhone has better performance and better user satisfaction than most smartphones.

Again - this is a reality distortion field being created just to try to knock Apple down.

The If anyone can put up hard facts to show me what I know from my own testing is false then there will be something to complain about with the iPhone 4.

If I apply the arguments of the bloggers and journalists then I should ask for my money back on the Sony-Ericsson phone I have had for many years, that has served me very well.

Should I return a phone because holding it normally can drop the bars from 4 to none? Is the manufacturer producing bad product? Is the manufacturer producing 'shoddy' product? Should ZDNet be running articles almost daily making wild claims about the phone?

If so then start now with the Sony-Ericsson K750i - because I can tell you that it does this very thing.

Now ZDNet and the harpies of MS - show you are balanced and fair minded defenders of the people and ask for a recall of the K750i?

If not - why not?
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Payback is a *****
Cylon Centurion 14th Jul 2010
Karma people. It affects everyone. Apple included. happy

Looks like Microsoft took your advice Adrian. Take advantage of the word on the street.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
dave95. 14th Jul 2010
@NStalnecker

What's the payback for exactly? Competing?
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All of those Get a Mac ads
Cylon Centurion 15th Jul 2010
@dave95.
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Are you serious?
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@dave95. Apple has been an giant iPrick for years.

This is heaven.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
dave95. Updated - 15th Jul 2010
By any chance, did you two ever seek any therapy for the Apple problem? Or is this finally the therapy you've been waiting on? I know the past few years must have been really rough on you ABAer's. I hope all this extra hating truly is a cure.
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Wait!
Bill4 14th Jul 2010
Does this mean that MS is saying my copy of Vista is no good? Why didn't they recall it and replace it then?
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MS fanboys will jump in
Richard Flude Updated - 14th Jul 2010
denying any problem with Vista.

My question to Turner would be how does one make calls on a imaginary Windows Phone 7 phone? Surely holding it anyway would be a problem (not just reception).

MS products are always fantastic before they're created, jump back anytime in the seven years it took Vista to be released;-)

And no MCSE's I'm not defending Apple, as I've said repeatedly they have a real problem with their antenna issues.
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I do not know. How does anyone do laundry in an
Mister Spock 14th Jul 2010
imaginary Apple washing machine?

I imagine you have a point, but it has so far eluded us.

plain
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I don't know what MS fanboys will say but I'll say Vista was...
ye 14th Jul 2010
@Richard Flude: ...problem free for me and everyone I know who still uses it.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
LeeC 15th Jul 2010
@Richard Flude Sorry, I have a Vista business based server running 24/7 for two years now without a single minute of downtime. Before I upgraded to Windows 7, my development machine ran Vista business, again, with zero downtime.

Maybe I just know what I am doing with my OS installations. Or maybe the fact that I write software and you simply use it, makes me better than you... either way, I had no problems with Vista.
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It's simple.
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@Richard Flude The Windows 7 Phone is a phone that doesn't exist and doesn't make calls...The iPhone4 is a call that DOES exists and doesn't make calls.

It's kind of a 50-50 thing.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
ImaGremlin 14th Jul 2010
@Bill4
No. It means: "Apple, get ready for the resonannce effect that will tarnish your product image forever, regardless of quality".

Granted: Microsoft installed base means its their effect is much bigger.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
Rama.NET 14th Jul 2010
@Bill4
You got service packs and that was a software issue can be easily patched with service packs without losing the look and feel, where as iPhone 4 issue (if any) is hardware issue and if you put cheap rubber (also know as bumper) on it, it loses the look and style of it. Too bad, Apple QC and its higher management should be blamed.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
richardw66 19th Jul 2010
@Rama.NET

No - there actually is no real problem - the stats prove it.

Also the tests I have done myself show that even the most reliable phone I have ever used has the same behaviour as the iPhone 4.

The people who should be blamed are people who turn a small number of reports of signal dropout into a pretend problem to make the Windows world feel better.

I can tell you now that a Windows 7 phone will be affected by the user in the same way every phone is.

As a blogger you should do QC on your statements before making them. Your reality distortion field should be deactivated before you start.
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It's only no good 25% of the time
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@Bill4 According to Apple, being crappy 25% of the time is okay.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
richardw66 19th Jul 2010
@trickytom2

The iPhone is not crappy 25% of the time.

The iPhone has better performance and better user satisfaction than most smartphones.

Again - this is a reality distortion field being created just to try to knock Apple down.

The If anyone can put up hard facts to show me what I know from my own testing is false then there will be something to complain about with the iPhone 4.

If I apply the arguments of the bloggers and journalists then I should ask for my money back on the Sony-Ericsson phone I have had for many years, that has served me very well.

Should I return a phone because holding it normally can drop the bars from 4 to none? Is the manufacturer producing bad product? Is the manufacturer producing 'shoddy' product? Should ZDNet be running articles almost daily making wild claims about the phone?

If so then start now with the Sony-Ericsson K750i - because I can tell you that it does this very thing.

Now ZDNet and the harpies of MS - show you are balanced and fair minded defenders of the people and ask for a recall of the K750i?

If not - why not?
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
kpkeller@... 15th Jul 2010
@Bill4 They did! It's called Windows 7. LOL!!!
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Great Point
HollywoodDog 15th Jul 2010
@Bill4 ... if Microsoft admits Vista is a dog, they should offer every Vista owner a free upgrade to Windows 7.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
kpkeller@... 15th Jul 2010
@HollywoodDog That shouldn't be too hard as not many people moved to VISTA anyway once the word got out about it. I went straight from XP to Windows 7.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
DannyO_0x98 Updated - 14th Jul 2010
Turner makes a bold claim regarding WP7 phones, considering somebody else is designing, engineering, parts-sourcing and assembling the devices.

(Hand positioning impacts on reception are documented for other phones. It's a little thing I like to call physics.)

Wasn't he the same guy who was cartwheeling in joy because Apple legal called him about a laptop finders' ad. And after the cartwheels, he took the call, made the change they were requesting, and then presided over Microsoft's worst quarter? While Apple's quarter was pretty good?

Oh yes. The problem with Vista was that no one wanted to buy it, not that it didn't work. (Though because of third-party drivers it was fairly rough for XP upgraders in that first year.) The iPhone 4 seems to be selling well, or at least, even after the publicity storm, as fast as they can get them into the Apple Store. (Anecdotal evidence from a friend who today told me that there wasn't one available when he went in to get one last weekend. He was told he needed to get on the waiting list.)
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
Rama.NET 14th Jul 2010
@DannyO_0x98
You are wrong, even if there are issues, Vista sold very good.
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You are wrong.
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@Rama.NET Vista sold very "well".
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
Jimster480 15th Jul 2010
@DannyO_0x98 Well with nobody wanting to buy it, it sold more copies than All of Apple's software, and their iPhones and probably even more of their devices (i dont have sales numbers for other devices) put together.
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Interesting dichotomy
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@DannyO_0x98 "The problem with Vista was that no one wanted to buy it, not that it didn't work"

It find this interesting, because the problem with the iPhone is that everybody wants it, and it doesn't work.
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So what will be Apple's "Kin"?
matthew_maurice 14th Jul 2010
Someone needs to tell Kevin that people in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
ImaGremlin Updated - 14th Jul 2010
@matthew_maurice

Phone 4 = Vista. A product whose image is far worse that the actual product.

Kin = Windows Me. A product hopelessly out of touch with the market.

Should Apple ever have a "Kin" moment, that'll be a sight to behold. Extremely unlikely under Jobs.
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Sorry but you are wrong
wackoae 14th Jul 2010
Kin == MS Bob ..... a very stupid idea.
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Apple TV, Time capsule, iPhone4
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@ImaGremlin enough said.
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I gotta agree here...
SonofaSailor 15th Jul 2010
@Wackoae

MS BOB was a horrible idea...yeah at first everybody thought those commercials were SO funny, and it helped drive Apple's image; but it also instilled that arrogant mentality that Apple is paying dearly for the last month or so.

Without MS Bob, Apple doesn't paint themselves as perfect, and they might have been shown a bit more forgiveness for the snafu's of late.
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Truer words were never spoken...
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@matthew_maurice People who live in Gorilla Glass houses shouldn't throw rocks, either.
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I remember a bunch of famous version 4 disaster
laxamar Updated - 14th Jul 2010
It's funny, but I remember DOS 4 was a total disaster until they got to DOS 5. Novell had some issue with version 4 also. In the 90's there was a joke about the curse of version 4.

I think Apple just got bit by it!!
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Come think of it...
Wolfie2K3 15th Jul 2010
@laxamar
Another famous version 4 disaster - Netscape Communicator 4... Now that was a seriously flawed POS. 3 wasn't too bad, but 4.x sucked huge rotten ostrich eggs like they were going out of style.
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Jaws 4
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@laxamar "The Revenge"...how fitting for MS fans!
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
Loverock Davidson 14th Jul 2010
The difference between Microsoft Windows Vista and the iPhone 4 is that Vista actually works as intended.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
Rama.NET 14th Jul 2010
@Loverock Davidson
correct and you don't have to "hold" it in a specific way either. I don't know why there isn't App for that to fix iPhone antenna issue.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
dave95. 14th Jul 2010
@Loverock Davidson

Not according to my experience, 4 years after.
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Or Longhorn? (NT)
Ken_z 14th Jul 2010
NT
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So there you have it....
dave95. 14th Jul 2010
Right from the horses mouth, confirming that Vista was a pos OS. Microsoft is in such disarray that they're willing to bad-mouth their own products just to take shots at their opponent. But looking over at the recent Kin's fiasco, maybe they're not exactly the ones to speak.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
Jimster480 15th Jul 2010
@dave95. MS Admitted problems with Vista a while back. They knew that the public hated it, but now thats in the past. Windows 7 is here and its the best desktop OS they have ever made. Following closely behind it is Windows 2000.
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Microsoft Admits it...there's the difference.
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@dave95. Steven Jobs' ego is too big to EVER admit that he made a mistake. It's YOUR fault your phone doesn't work! It's ATT's fault your phone doesn't work! It's YOUR responsibility to buy rubber bumpers for your phone.

Microsoft freely admits Vista was a flop, of course Win7 is a hit, so they don't mind. Unless Jobs has an iPhone5 in his pocket for the Friday press conference, he's s-h-i-t outa luck.
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One word: KIN
wackoae 14th Jul 2010
MS has no right to mock anybody after the abysmal failure of the KIN brand.

How long was the product in the market and how many they sold??? The iPhone4 may have a design flaw ..... but the KIN was a design flaw from the day it was just the stupid idea in the head of some idiot.
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Again...MS pulled the KIN
trickytom2 15th Jul 2010
@wackoae Apple is still selling defective phones.
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MS has every right to mock Apple
trickytom2 Updated - 15th Jul 2010
@wackoae

And all Apple can do is tuck in it's nuts and suck it up.
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A comment that may come back to bite.
A Grain of Salt 14th Jul 2010
?One of the things I want to make sure you know today is that you?re going to be able to use a Windows Phone 7 and not have to worry about how you?re holding it to make a phone call?

That would depend on the hardware manufacturers. Whoever they might be.
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
Jimster480 15th Jul 2010
@A Grain of Salt HTC and Motorola have never made phones with issues like the iPhone 4 so Its a safe assumption.
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Haha, GREAT job Microsoft!!!
NonZealot 14th Jul 2010
That was really funny! But what I liked even more than the MS comment is reading all the butt-hurt Apple apologists' comments. You guys are so easy to twist all up into knots!!! happy
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RE: Microsoft mocks Apple over iPhone 4
GENESIS667@... 15th Jul 2010
Maybe MS can take advantage of this situation and quick throw together another Kin phone...I'm sure they could sell at least another 3 or 4 of them...
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What they should do...
trickytom2 Updated - 15th Jul 2010
@GENESIS667@... is throw together some bumpers for the iPHONE4...I'm sure they could sell a two million of them.

Unless they sold them by phone.
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its great comparison with windows 7 and iPhone 4.
addisonbrando 15th Jul 2010
This is absolutely excellent article!. its great comparison with windows 7 and iPhone 4. http://www.iphoneapplicationdevelopmentindia.com
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Really? Where's the comparison...?
Wolfie2K3 15th Jul 2010
@addisonbrando
It's nothing more than an ad for some guys in India who wanna write apps for the (no joke, right from THEIR page) Apple iTampon.

Bloody spam if you ask me.

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