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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Microsoft needs to stop giving people reasons NOT to upgrade Windows!

By | July 15, 2011, 12:47pm PDT

Summary: Microsoft might want to exorcise Windows XP and Vista from the world’s PCs (because if you’re running old software, you’ve not given Microsoft any cash in a while), but the company’s own attitudes to how consumers get their hands on operating systems is a big part of the reason why people are running old operating systems.

Microsoft might want to exorcise Windows XP and Vista from the world’s PCs (because if you’re running old software, you’ve not given Microsoft any cash in a while), but the company’s own attitudes to how consumers get their hands on operating systems is a big part of the reason why people are running old operating systems.

The king of the operating systems is still XP, an OS that powers some 60% of corporate systems and around 50% of systems overall. By comparison, Vista’s corporate presence is down to just over 6% (for comparison, Mac OS X is at 11% and Linux at 1.4%). Windows 7 is at a healthy 21%. These corporate numbers match overall worldwide usage share pretty closely.

OK, so what can Microsoft do to help boost adoption of new versions of Windows? Well, when it comes to corporate systems, my colleague Ed Bott is right when he says that ‘When it comes to Windows, businesses like being on the last version, not the current one.’ It’s as fact of life.

But what about home users?

This is where Microsoft is lacking. Rather than try to sell consumers the next version of Windows, Microsoft has relied on OEMs to push new PCs (new PCs running the new OS) at consumers. This way Microsoft can focus on selling Windows licenses to OEMs, and let the OEMs do the hard work of selling Windows (with a new PC attached) to consumers.

It’s been a winning model for decades, but in recent years it’s hit a speed bump for a trifecta of reasons - people aren’t spending like they used to; what they are spending on is being spread across a broader range of technologies (smartphone, tablets, etc); and because people’s PCs are lasting longer than they used to. So, while Microsoft is making money, it’s in a position where it’s not making anywhere near as much cash as it could be making because more than half of the systems out there are running an OS that hasn’t see a service pack in over three years.

Microsoft also fouled up with Windows Vista/7 but not building in a direct upgrade path to it from Windows XP. This meant that a huge percentage of Windows users had to nuke their systems and start from scratch. This might be the preferred upgrade path for power users, but for ordinary users this is a huge effort to contemplate.

Microsoft needs to realize that people want access to the latest OS without having to buy a new PC. This means that three things need to be in place for them:

  • Easy access to the update … over the Internet make sense.
    This is a no brainer. If having as many users as possible on the latest version of Windows is important to the ecosystem, then make access to the new version as easy as possible.
  • Cheap upgrade price.
    Cheaper the upgrade, the more people will buy it. I don’t need to draw a diagram explaining this, do I? A Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade costs $120, which in my opinion is at least $60 too expensive.
  • ‘No-drag’upgrade path
    Ordinary folks (not like you and me, we’re special …) want an easy upgrade mechanism that involves a few clicks, making a cup of coffee and then coming back to a PC running a new OS. If you make it complicated by demanding that folks wipe their systems and stuff like that, people will get understandably nervous. Stop giving people reasons NOT to install your new OS!
Come on Microsoft, it’s really not that hard!

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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LeonBA 26th Jul
@MiniDisc Man: That's just what I did, when I realized XP's days were numbered. I swore I would never upgrade to Vista (yes, this was before 7), and I switched to Ubuntu instead. I went with Xubuntu because I liked the look & feel (I got it to work mostly like Win2000!), but there are other flavors of Ubuntu to choose from. There's also lots of friendly support available for new people on the Ubuntu forums--you don't see the stereotypical contempt there for newbies.
I'm sticking to XP and once there is no longer any support I'm switching to Linux, at least just to check it out.
@MiniDisc Man
You are totally missing out on Windows 7, as an Apple fan I can only say it's the best OS around, I have it installed on 3 machines. Linux is for servers... that's another discussion.
I agree. Windows 7 is quite nice. I run 3 PC's at home and work with Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7.

I like a few things better on XP, but now that I am used to it I definitely prefer 7. Even Windows Vista is not so bad anymore now that I am used to it, it's been patched, and developers are caught up with software that runs right on it.

On the other hand, I don't think Windows 7 is worth upgrading from XP for. There is nothing in 7 that I find all that compelling to justify the cost, risk, or effort. I would just wait and get it on my next new PC, and while at it, go for 64 bit.
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You're obviously not an Apple fan
vulpine@... 18th Jul
@Hasam1991: However, that's not to say that Win7 isn't the best version of Windows yet, it is. The problem is that the change from XP to Win7 is almost like the change from XP to OS X--very different until you get used to it. There's a lot to dislike about Win7 when you first upgrade, but once you're familiarized with the changes and personalize its functions to your own taste, Win7 is quite good.

On the other hand, it still requires far too much hands-on maintenance for my taste. It still requires the use of a Registry Cleaner and other maintenance software to really keep it running efficiently over time; something not needed with OS X. People are noticing and when considering the differences, not all WinXP users are buying into 7, but rather a small percentage of them are trying and using OS X which is part of why OS X's market has grown more than 500% in the last 5 years.

Most consumers that stick with Windows now do so because they're used to the environment. New users are looking at real choice and making decisions based on their own needs.
@vulpine You're obviously not an Apple fan

Well, if he is he needs to be reprogrammed.
@Hasam1991
You are right. I have three Macs at home, but readily admit that Windows 7 is superior to Snow Leopard. I do hope that Lion will change that. I will be downloading it the first day it is available.
Well, if he is he needs to be reprogrammed.

Into the Borg Collective.

Brainwashing is near!

Blind obedience is essential!
@vulpine

there is no complications in XP to 7 and there never was. So what Windows 7 setup moves the current installation to a Windows.old folder and allows you to cut and paste to the new location. OMG that is so hard, Blah Excuses!! bottom line is that if you haven't migrated to 7 your just lazy. your so lazy you haven't even looked at the upgrade tool that tells you just this.

For Real Upgrading to 7 isn't that big of a Deal, and it definitely doesn't require a format, or total Clean installation. Those of you who think that it does, are just total idiots, fo real!!!!!!!!
@Hasam1991 "Linux is for servers..." ...and phones, toasters, supercomputers, and folks who want old machines with new operating systems. Oh, and my new laptop.
@MiniDisc Man I love Windows 7, but with a problem in my big system and lack of money I am on a 10 year old Dell running Windows XP. And for 90% of what i need to do it is still one hot system. My system drive is 15g and the installed xp with Office 97, .net framework and visual Studio only uses 8g. I know, I know storage is cheap, cpu cycles no longer have meaning, but this old system still rocks.... Yet I'll be back to W7 as soon as I can get the parts.
@RayInLV Hey, Old computers rock! It's the momumental lie of the computer industry that we need to swap out computers every couple of years. Just keep your components in good repair, take care of it and use the software it was intended for (most of which you can find for free now) and there's very little that your ten year old system can't do.
@RayInLV Try openSUSE Linux. I can run it on a 1.8GHz 32-bit single-core Sempron laptop with 512MB and pitiable graphics ability and a 4200RPM hard drive.

A full openSUSE install is under 3GB not including swap space (like Windows page file). That includes a full office suite (LibreOffice/OpenOffice), the photo editing software GIMP, bittorrent client, full-featured e-mail, PIM, contact client, VoIP software, Flash, Java, PDF reader, archiver, Firefox, audio/video player, iTunes-like audio file manager, graphic file manager, etc. Adding in basic development tools brings the install to 3.1GB.

If you're into programming, there's an unbelievable amount of programming tools in every language imaginable. Since money's an issue, there's also a great deal of free software available to replicate or surpass the function of most commercial software - and for the rest, there's the WINE compatibility libraries that can run many Windows programs under Linux as well as VirtualBox to run them in a virtual machine if you have to.

I had a screwed up XP install and no spare money to upgrade to Win7 a year ago and gave openSUSE a shot. Well, I gave some other Linux distros a shot first, but they didn't work out. I decided to try one more, and installed a test partition with openSUSE. Well, I've been using the "test" install for just over one year now. happy There's a great deal of documentation (several PDF guides on installation, fine-tuning, a few hundred page (!) guide on security, etc) and it gives you all of the important features of Win7 plus some extras for free. A nice side benefit is that it provides something fun to play with and explore for no cost. I'm so glad I switched - not only did I replicate all my past functionality from Windows, but I found a few Linux-only programs that were much better than what I was using on Windows before (such as Banshee for music/podcast/video file management and Okular for PDF and document viewing).

If you've got any questions, feel free to email me at zdnet.15.alcalde@spamgourmet.com .
@MiniDisc Man
I switched to Linux [Ubuntu] during the Vista fiasco and have not looked back. I think you'll be happy with the switch.
@carlson1@...
Same here. Running 11.04 now and haven't spend more a few dollars for the electricity and bandwidth to do so.
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Vista sealed the Linux deal!
optimoz 19th Jul
@carlson1@...
A Vista laptop sealed the Linux deal here! That sad laptop was a Vista-powered time machine, as in "Wait for it, wait for it!" Seven-minute boots. Then I installed Ubuntu. It was hard to believe it was the same hardware, because suddenly it was snappy and responsive. I gave it to my mother! That also solved my Windows support problems, 'cuz Ubuntu -- in my experience -- just works. I haven't had a single support call in a year. I have not looked back.

It was icing on the cake when I installed Ubuntu on my triffling-horsepower netbook. The upgrade from XP was not as striking there, improving the netbook's performance from underpowered to good. Good enough that it became my desktop replacement! Good enough that I avoided the "forced upgrade march" to the next version of Vista (aka Win7) and the hardware to support it. Instead I spent $110 on the parts of my machine that were slow: the wirless-g and the HD. With a small SSD, I get 30-second boots with Ubuntu, on a machine that most people dismiss as underpowered. At $7 for a surplus pci card, the wireless-n upgrade was well worth the price, too.

Unless you're playing games that are Windows-only, Linux Rules.
@MiniDisc Man You are missing out on Windows 7. It's much improved over XP. I have nothing bad to say about it. I've been using it from the start.
@sully0208 I upgraded my old laptop to 7 from XP and it sure wasn't worth the cost of the software. I guess 7 is good, but XP was just fine for me.
@MiniDisc Man

You can try Ubuntu without clobbering your XP installation by using a Live CD. Your only cost will be download time, and the price of a 700 MB cd. If you care to go that route, and try it from the Live CD, it will be "sluggish" due to the fact that modules are loaded from the CD as needed.

Should you decide to actually install Ubuntu to co-exist with Windows XP in a dual boot configuration, I would suggest that you get a second hard drive; and install Ubuntu to it all by itself. To do this, you need to be comfortable going inside your machine, and adding a second drive. It is not for the squeamish.
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Do yourself a favor ...
mwagner@... Updated - 18th Jul
@MiniDisc Man ... at least borrow some Windows 7 media from a friend and install a trial copy of Windows 7 on a small partition before you make a final decision here. You can renew such a trial for up to 120 days before you have to buy an upgrade license and you will see how much better Windows 7 is compared to Windows XP. Then do the same with Linux. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
@MiniDisc Man
A new operating system has to offer something that the present system does not. That's why no one wants to switch to a new operating system.... XP is fine for business and the home user.
@MiniDisc Man
Why not give it a go now? It's easy to set up a dual boot system. I have XP (only used if someone wants an Access database) and Debian. I'd advise Mepis, which is Debian based - http://www.mepis.org.

Before you do, read the post by YetAntherBob entitled Linux on this page: http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/how-loyal-are-you-to-microsoft-windows-take-the-poll/8661?tag=nl.e019. The Lyx he mentions is really worthwhile.

You'll have a choice of over 20,000 packages to install for free from Synaptic, the package manager. That'll most likely be the end of your Windows days.
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I agree
janitorman 18th Jul
@MiniDisc Man Windows Vista should never have been released, and Windows 7 is plagued with BSOD's because it is flawed. Want to get a good OS? Install Windows 2000 service pack 4! XP is almost as good, but is too hard to use out of the box. We never had any problems with Windows 2000 machines, XP machines have had to be wiped and reinstalled, updated constantly, (one machine had over 100 updates in 2010/11,) proving it is a flawed OS and should be totally rewritten. Why not wait to release Windows 8 until it NEEDS NO UPDATES... say around 2050 or so. Meanwhile, give away copies of Windows 2000 service pack 4, which is no longer being updated, which is fine with me!
Failing that, my copy of Ubuntu 11, after some tweaking runs SO much faster and does SO much more than the 7 machine and ... get this... NEVER NEEDS rebooted!
If you know someone with a copy of the Windows 2000 install discs, make copies and install that on your computers! (It won't support your newest toys, you say? USE OLD HARDWARE you salvage, it's free that way!)
@janitorman Back into your closet, troll. If you want to keep running a 12 year old OS on 10 year old hardware, don't come on advocating it as superior to anything. I've only seen what I thought was a BSOD because Win7 corrected itself so fast I barely noticed (had to dig the error out logs). I can't imagine Win2000 as being anything but slow and memory challenged. I guess you don't need real speed or efficiency in your closet. When you come out, there will be any number of modern techs will be glad help you into the 21st century.
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What?
MichaelWells 19th Jul
@janitorman
Your really have to something bad to get a blue screen of death on Windows 7. I have had it on my work desktop for almost a year now and have not seen a BSOD. Since you either seem to hate Microsoft or have a fondness for an eleven year old OS; is there another OS that you would recommend?
@MiniDisc Man

If you asked me as teh new support Update releases for XP ended last summer and that SP update ended 6 years ago, I'd say your late Transferring ot Linux. BTW, migrating to linux 100% is some what difficult, but really in day to day Your Chosen platform windows will probably win. Linux is for Guru's not people looking for excuses like you to stay with Windows. No support Bah, that is a Excuses not to switch MiniDisc! ! EXCUSES liek that tell me your not a Linux person, so forget teh migration to Linux and take 7, it actually works.

Your XP love is dead and has been sense 7 hit RC. XP hasn't had native Driver support in what 4-6 years? Your late, remove and add. My guess is your to noobish and will stick to Windows
@Ez_Customs Spell and grammar much?
@Ez_Customs

Windows 7 requires significant hardware. He seems to be running an old system. Old software on newer boxes will run very fast. But if the spec's for his system aren't up to Vista/7 recommendations, he would only be asking for trouble if he loaded it. Linux has some packages (like the latest Gnome or KDE desktops) that have significant hardware needs too. But, he has the options to go with a lighter desktop. Something that is not an option in Windows. His post made it clear that a new computer is not an option for him, so Linux is his best bet, if he can learn new ways to do things.

BTW, I find Windows 7 to be essentially Vista SP3. Microsoft did the right thing by fixing the bug ladened Vista and releasing it as the next incarnation. Vista was released at least a year too soon. Windows 7 fixes that. Kudos to Microsoft for this. I hope this is how they proceed in the future.
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OK when you are ready
Sagax- 19th Jul
@MiniDisc Man Try MEPIS Linux. But do not go out on a limb. Download and burn a "live" CD or DVD. As long as you understand that an OS running from the CD/DVD is going to be pretty slow, you can play with it, check it out, and then install it or just remove the CD and move on.
@MiniDisc Man

Good plan. Windows 7 is a great improvement as an OS over XP, it catches up by around 3/4 of the distance between where Linux was 5 years ago. It has better security than XP, and a somewhat improved file system.

But, it needs a lot of hardware power. If you have a computer that is more than 3 years old, don't bother trying Windows 7.

Linux is a very capable operating system. Don't expect to run Windows software on it. Don't expect to run Apple programs on Windows either. There is a learning period. If you are a simple user, you will adapt fairly quickly. I would recommend Simply Mepis or Linux Mint for a beginner. Ubuntu is more popular, but they are in the middle of a big experiment with a totally different GUI right now. It may or may not work out for them.

There are modern Linux systems for a wide variety of hardware. Ask on the forums if you are not sure if your hardware will work. Linux has more driver support than Windows, but you sometimes have to look for it. On Windows, you can get it from the manufacturer. Not always true for Linux.

I hope this will help you in your quest.
@MiniDisc Man - You should check out Linux now, no reason to wait; you don't have to install it, run it from a live CD. You can try out different distros, see which you like most. I suggest starting with Puppy, designed to be very easy to use and runs well on older hardware.

Even if you decide not to switch to Linux completely, a live CD is a really good thing to have on hand - you can repair your installed OS when it won't boot.
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Switching to Linux
LeonBA 26th Jul
@MiniDisc Man: That's just what I did, when I realized XP's days were numbered. I swore I would never upgrade to Vista (yes, this was before 7), and I switched to Ubuntu instead. I went with Xubuntu because I liked the look & feel (I got it to work mostly like Win2000!), but there are other flavors of Ubuntu to choose from. There's also lots of friendly support available for new people on the Ubuntu forums--you don't see the stereotypical contempt there for newbies.
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Slow day at the water cooler?
William Pharaoh 15th Jul
A Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade costs $120, which in my opinion is at least $60 too expensive.

Sales show otherwise. Apple charging 29.00 for a service pack - now that's $29 too expensive

Over the internet? They do that with a lot of their software now, but then maybe they know of some issues you don't in installing from the same hardrive your ready to upgrade?
Not everyone can bun a dvd.

Oh, it does save your files and stuff - When I installed Windows it saved the orginal copy in another folder called Windows.old

I just moved everything over to the new installation.

But I'm going out on a limb here and I'll take a guess here that you feel all the Apple products out there are priced perfectly, maybe even a little too low?
@William Pharaoh
So let us all in on the secret: how did you "just move" your applications over to the new installation?
@curph
The differences in the underlying OS are enough to keep many of the applications from working at all. Of course they would have to be reinstalled

I'm talking about files in my documents (pictures, music, docs, ect, as well as things saved in the Program Files folders)

What AKH is asking is that MS should make backwards compatability the major concearn, and to ignor improving the OS (as Apple had to deal with the same issues over the years - have programs no longer work for the greater good of the OS).

Not sure if his reasons are all that a compelling argument, that's all.
@William Pharaoh: I agree that the differences are enough to keep you from simply moving apps, but to give you a very simple example, Win7 is running Serious Sam as a new app install with no modifications. Serious Sam is a Win'95-WinXP fps by Croteam and the fact that it plays in Win7 proves that Microsoft really does emphasize backwards compatibility; the problem is that they concentrate too much on it which is why they still have to patch and plug Win'95 vulnerabilities, too.

That backwards compatibility is now Windows' biggest drawback. Microsoft needs to really look at cutting off compatibility to anything older than about 10 years and remove all legacy coding that has no direct operation in the newer version. It may upset some users, but the majority will have already progressed to the newer OS.
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Service pack or Upgrade?
James Quinn 15th Jul
@William Pharaoh Apple has OSX or 10. MS has Windows. Apple when it upgrades it's OS changes the cat name Panther, Tiger, Lion. MS does it a bit different Windows 3.1, Windows Vista, Windows 7 etc. In Apple terms this is often represented by a number after the 10 like for instance 10.5, Now when Apple gives you it's FREE service packs it represents these service packs by another set of numbers going back to 10.5.1 to say 10.5.9. So no Apple does not charge for service packs which by the by is a MS term not an Apple one.

Pagan jim
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Stop making excuses
wolf_z 16th Jul
@James Quinn

Snow Leopard wasn't a full version release. Apple isn't shy about charging full price for their products--look at the $9.95 they charged for what should have been a free patch for Quicktime.

So if they're only charging $29.99 for Snow Leopard even *APPLE* believes it isn't a full version release.

Unless Lion is also $29.99? No? Didn't think so.
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Not making excuses....
James Quinn 16th Jul
@wolf_z Snow was/is a horse of a different color and did not follow Apple's normal routine but I've received several service packs for Snow that Apple has not charged me a single red cent for and my point stands for they were 10.5.x to 10.5.Y number service packs. As for weather Snow was a full blown upgrade or not I don't care it had more than enough new stuff to justify the expense of $29.00 to my way of thinking. What ever the final decision is on what it should be called.

Pagan jim
@wolf_z: ... there are more new features, comparing to, say, difference between Microsoft Windows Vista and 7.

And yes, OS X Lion will cost $29.
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And how well does OS X run on a PC?
William Pharaoh 18th Jul
@James Quinn
I didn't think so.

So Apple shares the price of the OS through it's hardware, as last time I checked, you had to own a Mac in order to use any of Apple's OS's.

Windows runs on everything, even Macs!

So how is comparing OS X for 29 the same as Windows 7 for more the same thing, when they are obviuosly 2 different products all together?
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Who's making excuses?
vulpine@... 18th Jul
@wolf_z(ealot) Umm... how much is Apple charging for Lion? Maybe you should look again.
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@William Pharaoh
So Microsoft is charging $120 for a service pack, and you?re okay with that? If Snow Leopard (and Lion) are service packs, then Windows 7 is also a service pack.
@Rick_K You're an idiot. I won't even bother to explain why.
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Excuses, Excuses, Excuses.
William Pharaoh 18th Jul
@Rick_K

And Microsoft requires who's hardware to use to use their operating system?

Why doesn't Apple just make a PC version of OS X and sell it for $29? They'd clean up!
@William Pharaoh
I'm running Ubuntu right now. In order to upgrade to the newest version, I open update manager and click. No new CDs needed, no burning anything. I click and walk away. When I come back, new version is ready following a reboot, all settings saved, all files in the same places. All apps installed.
If Microsoft knows anything, they're not showing it here.
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Windows XP upgrade from a technology perspective to Windows7 is a major change at very deep level as well as serious backward compatibility issues as well as hardware compliance. Since Windows upgrades are every 3-5 years, and the new Windows demands much more hardware performance etc., the transitions are inherently difficult. MS has done a pretty good job, but home users need not simplicity of change [that is useful], but power value added for the pain and this is not so clear.
@gprovida

"Windows XP upgrade from a technology perspective to Windows7 is a major change at very deep level as well as serious backward compatibility issues as well as hardware compliance. "

If they had to, all MS would need to do would be a temporary "mini-Vista" upgrade that upgrades from XP to an "intermediate" non-usable Vista and then upgrades from that Vista install to the final Win 7 install. The user wouldn't have to even know the details.

Regarding "new Windows requires major new hardware", until recently I was running on a 2004 AsRock motherboard with a single-core non-hyperthreading Pentium-D processor. Win 7 worked fine on it although I have a dual-boot system and primarily used XP. I ultimately upgraded because I was running a VisionTek video card and they kept dying. VT would send me a "refurb-replacement" and that would die after about 2-3 months. After the third replacement died I bought an EVGA but it wouldn't work with any of my power supplies. I could have just bought a heftier supply but decided to upgrade the mobo/CPU/RAM.
@gprovida
and
@Microsoft
Allow Win 8 users to UPGRADE from WinXP.
Not possible?

Well, it is impossible to turn the WinXP install into a virtual machine image (albeit transformed with standardized virtual hardware drivers)? Is it then impossible to port that virtual machine image into file on Win 8? This becomes a virtualization coding problem, instead of a user-specific hardware problem.

How hard is it to think up this idea? And therefore MS couldn't already have thought of it...?

(Why delete this post with no record? Censoring or ...?)
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@voltrarian

Can't think why else your input didn't stop the discussion. Good point very well made.
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Few XP machines can be upgraded to 7
Richard Flude 16th Jul
It's amazing how long ago XP was released. Im surprised anyone would still be using I today when modern OS are so superior. XP doesn't even know how to burn DVDs.

The problem Adrian misses for MS upgrades is support. They avoid providing support with the OEM licensing, support is the responsibility of the hardware manufacturer. I don't think this is something MS is keen to undertake.

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