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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Microsoft: Windows 7 isn't trashing your battery

By | February 8, 2010, 2:44pm PST

Summary: Last week I posted on how there’s was a growing believe that a flaw in Windows 7 was causing Windows 7 to permanently trash notebook batteries. Today, Microsoft’s president of Windows and Windows Live division Steven Sinofsky responds.

Last week I posted on how there’s was a growing believe that a flaw in Windows 7 was causing Windows 7 to permanently trash notebook batteries. Today, Microsoft’s president of Windows and Windows Live division Steven Sinofsky responds.

Sinofsky has posted an extensive response to the issue on the Engineering Windows 7 blog, but I’ll extract the highlights for you here:

  • We have seen no reproducible reports of this notification on new hardware or newly purchased PCs. While we’ve seen the reports of new PCs receiving this notification, in all cases we have established that the battery was in a degraded state.
  • Our OEM partners have utilized their telemetry (call center, support forums, etc.) and have let us know that they are seeing no activity beyond what they expect. It is worth noting that PC manufacturers work through battery issues with customers and have a clear view of what is to be expected both in general and with respect to specific models, timelines, and batteries.
  • In our telemetry from RTM code customers, only a very small percentage of users are receiving the “Consider replacing your battery” notification, and as expected, we are seeing systems older than ~1.5 years.  We’re seeing relatively fewer notifications compared to pre-release software as the average age of the system decreases.
  • Microsoft has received 12 customer service incidents in addition to pulling 8 additional incidents from various forums. To date (for a total of 20 incidents), none of these have shown anything other than degraded batteries. 

My ZDNet colleague Mary-Jo Foley has coverage of the issue here.

Over the past few days I’ve been getting feedback from some users convinced that their battery took a hit after installing Windows 7. That said, follow-up questions seem to highlight several factor that might contribute to the problem:

  • Old batteries (+2 years old)
  • Third-party batteries
  • Third party chargers

At the moment, I feel that the problem here has more to do with people being told that there’s an issue. Once people get a little information (especially bad news), they begin to obsess over it (whether that be SMART info relating to hard drives, CPU or GPU temperatures, or battery state), so I’m tempted to say that this is what’s we’re seeing here.

Still, I’m interested in hearing from folks who still think that this is an issue. Get in touch with me via TalkBack section, via email, or via Twitter (@the_pc_doc).

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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Battery Trashed by Windows 7
nucrash 13th Feb 2010
Granted, I do fit in the catagory that my battery happens to be two years old and while I loaded Windows 7, the battery just happened to lose it's lifespan by about 1/2. I can not say for certain that the two are related. I just feel that the coincidence happens to be awfully closely tied together.

I first noticed this just as I loaded Windows 7. Before, I didn't have a problem. I think the coincidental timing for a lot of people would cause them to wonder what is going on.
MJ beat you to it.
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I still get silver, tho ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 8th Feb 2010
... right? happy
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cum hoc ergo propter hoc
rtk 8th Feb 2010
MS is very often the victim of weak correlation automatically implying causation.
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Yup...
Dave32265 8th Feb 2010
trust is on thin ice with MS. Gee, I wonder why?
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Unspecific accusations.
honeymonster Updated - 8th Feb 2010
Playing to fear, instigating uncertainty and
creating doubts.

The cornerstone of FUD.

Parent post here demonstrate how to do it.
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If so, I wasn't spreading FUD, I was attempting to dispel it with reference to a common logic fallacy, namely that correlation doesn't imply causation.

I drank a bottle of water and my wife went into labor, but we all know drinking water doesn't cause labor in spouses.

That kinda thing. wink
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ABMers need better FUD
LBiege 8th Feb 2010
This battery thing is lame. Try again.
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Oh how I love being right. I said it was people with obscure hardware and had nothing to do with Microsoft. I said it was mob mentality where one person has the issue and everyone else thinks they do. Now I get to say it.

I TOLD YOU SO.

Thank goodness we can put all this behind us now and people can stop tarnishing Microsoft's good image. I knew from the start that it wasn't Microsoft Windows causing this.
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Why take a chance?!?
IndianArt 9th Feb 2010
I won't take a chance. My laptop runs Ubuntu!
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RE: Why take a chance?!?
aep528 9th Feb 2010
And what if Ubuntu implemented the same type of
code to check the condition of the battery and
display an error message? Would you automatically
believe it or would you first think the new Ubuntu
version was causing problems on your hardware?
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running ubuntu is no protection from faulty hardware.
why do you think it does ?
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I have run Windows 7 Beta and Windows 7 Production and have not experienced any issue with the batteries on various vendor devices - Motion, Fujitsu, Dell, HP and Panasonic.

We have done a lot of testing on our devices and put them through the paces.

I do not believe one system is better than the other, but do not believe this is a Microsoft issue.
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I don't see how windows 7 can do that. Batteries are hardware and windows 7 is software. I think the failures are probably heat related, by not having adequate ventilation of the motherboard, which would stress the charging circuit and in turn cook the battery internals.
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Battery Trashed by Windows 7
nucrash 13th Feb 2010
Granted, I do fit in the catagory that my battery happens to be two years old and while I loaded Windows 7, the battery just happened to lose it's lifespan by about 1/2. I can not say for certain that the two are related. I just feel that the coincidence happens to be awfully closely tied together.

I first noticed this just as I loaded Windows 7. Before, I didn't have a problem. I think the coincidental timing for a lot of people would cause them to wonder what is going on.

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