No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

Summary: Is no-Flash in 'Ice Cream Sandwich' a deal-breaker?

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If you're planning to grab a new Galaxy Nexus complete with the new Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' then expect an Apple iOS-like experience as it will release without Flash support.

SlashGear has confirmation from Google that 'Ice Cream Sandwich' (ICS) will be Flash-less for the time being, but Google is passing the buck onto Adobe:

"Flash hasn't been released for ICS yet so as far as we know, Adobe will support Flash for ICS."

Notice two things in that statement:

  • No firm commitment that Adobe is on-board
  • No date

Adobe pulled the plug on any future development for Flash on mobile platforms earlier this month, signaling the company's move to HTML5 and its AIR platform. Flash on mobile platforms seems like the latest technology to bite the dust as a result of Apple's iOS platform.

[UPDATE: It seems that Adobe has broken its silence:

'Adobe will release one more version of the Flash Player for mobile browsing, which will provide support for Android 4.0, and one more release of the Flash Linux Porting Kit - both expected to be released before the end of this year.'

So, one more and you're done.]

Will the current lack of Flash support in 'Ice Cream Sandwich' make you think twice about picking up a device running the OS, or is no-Flash no longer a deal-breaker?

Topics: Android, Google, Software Development

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  • Yes

    Once you leave the iOS world and move to Android w/ Flash you start seeing how much you were really missing.<br><br>No ICS unless it has flash.
    rhonin
    • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

      @rhonin I am an Apple user (iPod Touch/iPhone/iPad) and I do disagree with you. Sure you miss out on some of the action, but generally speaking, not that much. More and more sites are without flash. So I believe that Flash will slowly become instinct. Wait and see.
      rdelfgou
      • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

        @rdelfgou
        "I am an Apple user (iPod Touch/iPhone/iPad) and I do disagree with you. Sure you miss out on some of the action, but generally speaking, not that much. More and more sites are without flash. So I believe that Flash will slowly become instinct. Wait and see. "

        instinct huh?
        nogobo
      • My experience has shown me otherwise

        @rdelfgou
        I use MS, Apple and Android devices.
        Flash is still very prevelant and needed on the web.

        As an example: browse via an iPad2 and an Android tablet w/ flash side by side (I used a Transformer). Visit general web, searches, banking, investment, elearning, games and any other sites of interest.

        You will find Flash is very much alive and well.
        rhonin
      • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

        @rdelfgou That's never been an issue. Everyone knows that Flash was not originally designed for mobile/low power devices, but since it was the most widely used protocol, it was adapted for the space.

        Everyone accepts that Flash will eventually disappear from that space. The issue is the timing of when that will happen. Apple wanted to force the issue of abandoning Flash before users were ready. What users are saying is that they want a period of overlap where both HTML 5 and Flash co-exist. Once HTML 5 is more ubiquitous, Flash can die a quiet death.
        mrxxxman
      • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

        @rhonin You may have found from your experience that Flash is very much alive and well and I will not dispute that. What I have found from my experience with the iPhone is that I have very little use for the web on my phone as the vast majority of times I have an app that gets me the info I am looking for far quicker than I could get it with a web browser, Flash or not.
        non-biased
    • I use FF with Flash blocked by default and visit all kinds of sites

      @rhonin: what do I miss, really?
      dderss
      • I have three I miss

        @dderss
        For me and my kids: games and elearning sites. Some sites that provide Discovery type information have yet to convert from flash.

        There are still some blogging and technology sites that still use flash (try CNET as an example - they have both Flash and some HTML5 that will not work on an iPad2).

        Outsourced business activites - example: my busniess's HR activities are outsourced. All training and help functionalities make extensive use of flash. They do plan to convert to HTML5 by 2015.

        There are more but these are the biggies that impact my activities I would use an iPad for.
        rhonin
      • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

        @dderss I AGREE 100% !
        T-Wrench
    • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

      @rhonin I haven't experienced any real difference between Android and iOS, regarding Flash.
      wright_is
      • That can be true

        @wright_is

        Depending on your persoanl use, you may not visit sites that utilize flash or may be unaware it is not visible on your iDevice or other non-flash device.
        rhonin
    • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

      @rhonin In almost 4 years of being an iPhone user I can count on two hands, probably one actually, the number of times that the lack of Flash support was an annoyance let alone an actual issue.
      non-biased
  • In case everyone forgot..

    Adobe has STOPPED developing flash for any FUTURE products and as far as I understand, ICS is a future product unless told otherwise. They will only support flash that is already out there and on current devices only by releasing patches or security fix.
    lenohere
    • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

      @lenohere They have stopped developing the Flash PLAYER for MOBILE platforms.

      The Player for the desktop will carry on as before.

      That said, yes, I read their statement as ICS probably wouldn't be supported, because it hadn't been released at the time of the announcement.

      Given the number of times I've used Flash my Android (0), I can't say I'll miss it.
      wright_is
      • Check out the update

        @wright_is
        [i]'Adobe will release one more version of the Flash Player for mobile browsing, which will provide support for Android 4.0, and one more release of the Flash Linux Porting Kit - both expected to be released before the end of this year.[/i]
        rhonin
      • You sure about that?

        [i]The Player for the desktop will carry on as before.[/i]

        @wright_is
        For the most part, I doubt website developers will create two different versions of all those websites out there. A Flash version and a non-Flash version. It would double their costs.

        No, it's gonna have to be something that's playable on both, like HTML5.
        ScorpioBlue
      • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

        @ScorpioBlue apart from a lot of corporates are stuck on IE6/7, which means HTML5 is no an option.

        It means a lot of sites will still need to be done twice, whether that means in HTML5 with clunker code inserted to get it to display on older versions of IE and Flash for multimedia, or an HTML5 and parallel a Flash site, it won't go away that quickly.

        Also, with Flash tools being able to target Flash Player *and* HTML5, it makes dual sites a doddle, the HTML5 side might lose out on a bit of functionality to begin with, but for the dev, they can develop in Flash and not worry about which browser their visitors have.
        wright_is
      • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

        [i]@ScorpioBlue apart from a lot of corporates are stuck on IE6/7, which means HTML5 is no an option.[/i]

        Those browsers are near end of life support so they won't be around for much longer. I'd blame MS for that as much as the lazy corporates.

        [i]It means a lot of sites will still need to be done twice, whether that means in HTML5 with clunker code inserted to get it to display on older versions of IE and Flash for multimedia, or an HTML5 and parallel a Flash site, it won't go away that quickly.[/i]

        Well then they'll have to pay twice now won't they?

        [i]Also, with Flash tools being able to target Flash Player *and* HTML5, it makes dual sites a doddle, the HTML5 side might lose out on a bit of functionality to begin with, but for the dev, they can develop in Flash and not worry about which browser their visitors have.[/i]

        So what's the problem about ditching Flash here? Why is it everybody else is making it a big deal about Adobe ending development of it and you aren't? Hmmm?
        ScorpioBlue
      • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

        @ScorpioBlue [i]"So what's the problem about ditching Flash here? Why is it everybody else is making it a big deal about Adobe ending development of it and you aren't? Hmmm?"[/i]

        You are mixing up two things here, the Mobile Flash Player and Flash the platform. Adobe are still pushing Flash, heavily, whether it is for the desktop player or using Air, native cross-compilation for the iPhone or generating HTML5 code, Flash is the tool which will do that.

        That means, the developer develops in Adobe Flash, hits the button to generate a Flash object and hits the button to generate an HTML5 compatible site. All he has to do is add a bit of JavaScript in the page header to load the Flash object and ignore the rest of the HTML, if the incoming browser cannot cope with HTML5.

        Many large corporates have invested too heavily in internal intranet based systems which are hard coded for IE6 to just abandon it, even if it is no longer supported.
        wright_is
      • RE: No Flash for Android 4.0 'Ice Cream Sandwich' just yet

        [i]You are mixing up two things here, the Mobile Flash Player and Flash the platform. Adobe are still pushing Flash, heavily, whether it is for the desktop player or using Air, native cross-compilation for the iPhone or generating HTML5 code, Flash is the tool which will do that.

        That means, the developer develops in Adobe Flash, hits the button to generate a Flash object and hits the button to generate an HTML5 compatible site. All he has to do is add a bit of JavaScript in the page header to load the Flash object and ignore the rest of the HTML, if the incoming browser cannot cope with HTML5.[/i]

        Well then the Adobe fanboys have nothing to worry about, now do they? You should have told them all this 10 days ago when the status of Flash development was announced.

        I never cared for Flash. It's buggy and even on desktops, it can be a strain with websites locking up all the time no matter which browser you used. I realize it's not going to go away anytime soon, but I for one would like to see a lot less Flash in the future.

        [i]Many large corporates have invested too heavily in internal intranet based systems which are hard coded for IE6 to just abandon it, even if it is no longer supported.[/i]

        Well then that's gonna make them exposed to all kinds of vulnerabilities. They sound like the kind of cheap corporates I wouldn't want to work for. Even the place I work for has upped it to IE8 and FF 3.5
        ScorpioBlue