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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

OS X 10.7 Lion is more painful than Vista

By | August 16, 2011, 4:00am PDT

Summary: My beef is not with the deliberate changes Apple made to the OS, but with the colossal number of show-stopping bugs that have been allowed into this release.

Within seconds of the OS becoming available I had begun downloading Mac OS X 10.7 ‘Lion’ to my trusty Mac mini. In under an hour I had blown away the Snow Leopard install and was up and running with Lion.

What a mistake that’s turned out to be. A mistake that turned out to be far worse than when I first installed Vista on a PC.

Before I begin, I want to make it clear that I don’t dislike the OS as it stands. I’m not all that bothered one way or another about the ‘iPadification’ of the OS as my blogging buddy Jason Perlow put it. I like reverse scrolling but feel a bit ‘meh’ about many of the new features, but the old OS is still there if you know where to look. My beef with Lion is not down to the deliberate changes Apple made to the OS, but to the colossal number of show-stopping bugs that have been allowed into this release.

Yes, I’m aware that Lion is a .0 release, in other words it’s straight out of the gate and yet to see an update, and that hopefully there are updates in the pipeline, but it still is a .0 release and not a beta. And don’t even think about throwing that ‘but it’s only $29′ argument at me!

So what are the bugs that I’m seeing? They’re three of the bugs that I outlined in an earlier post:

  • Random crashing that results in a totally black screen
    Once the system crashes, it’s a hard reset time.
    There’s no solution from Apple yet but it seems that the problem here is down to NVIDIA drivers and forcing the system to use integrated graphics only using a third-party tool (gfxCardStatus) helps alleviate the problem.
  • WiFi dropping
    This is annoying. (I’m seeing this happen, although not often.) Basically, the WiFi connection drops and the only way to get it back working is to switch the WiFi adapter off and then back on again.
    A possible solution to this is to create a script that pings periodically … but even with this I’m seeing problems.
  • Viewing videos causes freezing on new iMacs
    All video types appear to cause the freeze - Flash, H.264, QuickTime, AVIs, MKVs, YouTube …
    This is another issue that could be related to graphics card drivers … but perhaps not.

There are a number of other problems, some related to Apple, some not: Coming out of sleep is dodgy. Flash is crappier that it is on any other platform. Searching network shares doesn’t pull up any search results. Sometimes the Mac decides for no apparent reason to slow down to a snail’s pace.

Having lived with the pain of Vista pre-SP1, I can tell you that the problems currently facing Apple with Lion are worse. Much worse. In fact, it’s such a nuisance that I’ve decided to install Snow Leopard into a different partition and switch to the old OS for the time being, keeping Lion so I can keep an eye on future updates to see if they fix these issues.

Apple, you need to fix these issues, and fix them soon!

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Mac OS X 10.7 'Lion' is more painful than Vista
Paul Martin 3rd Sep
I have a mac book pro.... and I can totally agree that Lion is the New Vista for Apple..... Its sad, most of the bugs are very repeatable... Web Surfing is problematic probably because of Flash Safari freezes to the point I have to force quit.... WiFi Drops.... WiFi can cause other apps to hang when its not working properly. Time Machine can bind the machine as well......and Search....
No problems at all on my MacBook Air, love it.
@CloudinOz No issues on my MBP, White Macbook and Mac Mini... Love what Apple has done here. $29 for all the systems... Anyways, some of the issues mentioned are valid and they are affecting few systems in the wild.. Adrain is right in that Apple should never have released an OS with such glaringly obvious bugs
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@browser.
Funny how you thought "White" was necessary to describe your system. And you even thought it necessary that it be officially part of the model name.
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Why is that funny?
RationalGuy 16th Aug
@browser. That's how that model is commonly referred to. They were initially released in black and white. The black model was later discontinued, as was the white model just a short while ago. Google "white macbook" and you'll see just how many headlines use the phrase.

What are you insinuating by your observation?
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@RationalGuy Don't even bother with the troll. He obviously doesn't know what he's talking about and ought to keep his irrelevant remarks to himself.
@browser. Well of course the OS is only $29. Apple and $Jobs makes up the difference by overcharging you for standard, off-the-shelf parts that makes up Apple's computers. If you amortize the cost of the OS upgrades against the overpriced apple components, you will probably find you're paying more than double than what you Windows user counterparts are paying for their OS! Plus, a new Windows OS doesn't emerge ever other month!
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@tech_ed

Bull, first, learn the OS release schedule, so you don't appear so dumb. Second, I challenge you to list a SINGLE system to compare to any Mac system that you think is a component for component match, and that is priced significantly lower than the listed Mac. Get prepared to get schooled on hardware specs (and I won't even bring up the crappy trackpads on your POS Windows boxes).
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audidiablo Updated - 17th Aug
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RE: Mac Component Challenge
bobiroc 16th Aug
@deusexmachina

That is impossible with any brand unless you build yourself. But the point is that the Processors, GPUs, Hard Drives, Ram, LCDs, Capacitors, NIC Chipsets, MB Chipsets, and even many other misc components are practically the same. The casing and board is designed specifically to fit Apple's case just like most other OEMs. No one is challenging that Apple doesn't use fairly high quality parts because they do.

Since you like a challenge why don't you point out the components that are so significantly different in an Apple product that makes it so much better and justifys the cost increase. You're argument is like saying trying to say two similar cars cannot be compared because they do not have a component for component match. Get a life dude. There are PCs out there that blow Apple out of the water in terms of quality and price. I can build a PC that would trump a MacPro 10 times over for less money than the MacPro. There are plenty of high quality computers out there from various brands.
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RE: Mac OS X 10.7 'Lion' is more painful than Vista
deusexmachina  Updated - 17th Aug
@bobiroc
"That is impossible with any brand unless you build yourself. But the point is that the Processors, GPUs, Hard Drives, Ram, LCDs, Capacitors, NIC Chipsets, MB Chipsets, and even many other misc components are practically the same."

No, they are not the same. First, as you alluded to, the parts used by Apple generally are at much higher spec than most other manufacturers. This is part of the reason why they have a separate fab at Foxconn. This is how build to spec works. All capacitors, for instance, are NOT the same. There is a big difference, for instance between the crappy paper dielectric power capacitors used by many Dell machines and the high-capacity caps used by Apple. But in your reply, you appear to know this, even though you then contradict yourself. But for the record, it is NOT true that "No one is challenging that Apple doesn't use fairly high quality parts." It is quite clear that many people are, including audidiablo and the OP.

"You're argument is like saying trying to say two similar cars cannot be compared because they do not have a component for component match."

In what way?!? It is NOTHING like that. I am NOT saying that they can't be compared. In fact, I am saying the exact opposite. They most certainly CAN be compared, and when this is done, Apple compares favourably. There is a reason why many Apple systems rate best buys from PC-centric magazines such as PCMag and ComputerShopper. Because when you factor in component costs, they are actually quite cost competitive.

"Since you like a challenge why don't you point out the components that are so significantly different in an Apple product that makes it so much better and justifys the cost increase."

First, I notice that you didn't bother to respond to my challenge. So be it. As to yours, first, slot loading optical drives. Sure, you might be fine with tray-loading drives, but if you are going to match specs, that has to be addressed. And it is not a trivial addition. Second, the colour accuracy of Apple's LCDs is FAR beyond what you get in the typical PC panel. Sure there are PCs with nice panels, but they also cost more. Third, as you have already mentioned, is casing. Fourth, as I already mentioned, is the trackpad. Most PCs, even most high end ones, have ABYSMAL trackpads, with low resolution and poor response. Contrary to the misinformed audidiablo, it is NOT simply about supporting multitouch. Again, almost all trackpads on PCs suck. There are several good ones to be found, but again, you have to pay for them. And on and on.

As to your last bit about there being PCs out there that blow Apple out of the water in terms of quality and price, interesting that you make this claim, and yet STILL fail to post a SINGLE example. Simply saying it on the internet does not make it so. Interesting also that you fail to notice that you contradict yourself in your very first sentence.
@deusexmachina? First, as you alluded to, the parts used by Apple generally are at much higher spec than most other manufacturers.

ROFL..... Thanks, I needed that laugh.
@CloudinOz: Bought it the day it was released (on a new computer). Not a single problem.
@ye

Yep same with me, although I did buy it installed rather than installing it on old equipment as Adrian seems to have done.

Vista is an example of the big lie. Keep telling everyone it had huge problems and they'll believe it. What minor problems there were were fixed in the Service Pack. Frankly if Vista played up like the problems Adrian was having, I'd still be using XP.
@CloudinOz: No problems with my 2007 Macbook Pro. Quick download. Absolutely smooth and simple OS upgrade. Not a single bump in the road and I love the new features.
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@RationalGuy - Yes indeed, and I have seen people post the same thing about Vista. Your response proves nothing.
@CloudinOz Just like how a whole bunch of people didn't have trouble with Vista (myself included). It doesn't mean it wasn't a steaming heap.
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It wasn't.
ye 16th Aug
@Aerowind: ust like how a whole bunch of people didn't have trouble with Vista (myself included). It doesn't mean it wasn't a steaming heap.

Vista is a solid OS.
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Same here. I had Vista with absolutely no problems that I could tell - sure, it lacked polish compared to 7, but it was still a great OS. No problems with the service pack either, as far as I remember.
@ye Vista is a solid OS.

As long as you got it post SP1, or were able to get SP1 installed... I agree with you.

I have run into 3 Vista Systems, pre SP1, that SP1 would not install on. 5 hour phone calls to the phone jockeys couldn't fix it.... I gave up, wiped, and installed 7.
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Adrian is new to MacOS.. Unix..
doctorSpoc 16th Aug
@CloudinOz ..sounds like he just needs to repair permissions..

Adrian, open the disk utility and do a repair permissions..
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@doctorSpoc
Is this something that Apple recommends we do on a regular basis?
@doctorSpoc - It's a new install, why should he have to "repair permissions" already? Hmmm...
@doctorSpoc Your advice is like an island of sanity in an ocean of insanity.
Forgot about Disk Utility. My MacBook is running great, now
@toddybottom @PollyProteus it's something Apple recommends after installing system-level updates. Kind of like how Microsoft recommends a defrag after every installation of any app.
@Champ_Kind

"Microsoft recommends a defrag after every installation of any app"

Can you point out where Microsoft has made this recommendation?
@Champ_Kind Kind of like how Microsoft recommends a defrag after every installation of any app.

ROFL... I've never heard that bit of idiot mythology before.
@CloudinOz I have a three year old Black MacBook (reference to another posting here, there was both a white and a black MacBook model in 2008 so the reference is to specifications particular to those 'colors' and not to our fashion sense) with 4GB of RAM and am in the developer's program. I'm running a golden master of Lion and have had zero issues with it. I did all of the precautionary installation procedures and have found it to be particularly fast, easy to use, and remarkably stable. Sure, I've a few aging programs that required Rosetta but upgrading a five year old program should be an accepted fact of life in the micro computing business.
My experience with reading a few of the ZDNet bloggers is that they tend to be a tad emotional and haphazard in their 'experiencing' new things. Take it with a grain of salt. "As bad as Vista?" No iteration of any OS X has been as 'bad' as its M$ counterpart. They are simply different approaches to the consumer.
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The use of M$ is truly ironic
toddybottom 16th Aug
@dheady@...
Considering Apple has more money and makes more money than Microsoft, it is truly ironic that people still refer to Microsoft with that childish name.

At least it makes it easy to identify those who have no clue.
@dheady@... This is why Apple won't ever be back in the business realm. I work on systems that have programs that are ten or even 15 yrs old. The company spend millions on them and will not upgrade them until absolutely necessary. Windows is very friendly to backward compatibility, which is its big selling point.

Its the same reason why those awesome fast-evolving browsers won't be in business settings. By the time the review period has passed (usually 3-6 months), onother version is available and the old version is no longer supported.

BTW, that last part of "No interation of any OS X has been as 'bad' as its M$ counterpart" really disqualifies your entire comment as a troll response. I particularly like your dollar sign, seeing how Apple's entire approach to business is capturing consumer dollars at whatever point it can. Its the most $$$ of all the consumer companies.
At least it makes it easy to identify those who have no clue.

Some people do that in order to offend the other side. In your case, it worked.
@ScorpioBlue Some people do that in order to offend the other side. In your case, it worked.

Doesn't offend me at all. If I were MS I'd think a $ would be a good thing. The fact that ignorant people think the $ is a bad thing... cracks me up however.
@Badgered, are you @toddybottom?

Thanks for revealing yourself to us, sockpuppet.

lol...
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@CloudinOz The only issues I have are:
1. Launchpad: not useful with 300 apps. I'm using F10 Launch Studio - much better.
2. Flip4Mac not compatible, but that's not Apple's fault.

Otherwise, I'm happy with Lion and my MacBook Pro. Looking forward for a MacPad wink
@jortiz@... "Flip4Mac not compatible, but that's not Apple's fault." You're right. It's my fault. Let me fall on the sword in the interest of moving forward. It's my fault Apple still refuses to incorporate Windows Media hooks provided by MS. It's also my fault that Apple won't engage the Flash hooks provided by Adobe. And finally it's my fault that Apple is the only business that takes this approach. Dang it, I now know that I should have kept my mouth shut when I found myself in that elevator with Jobs, so many years ago. I didn't realize, and now everyone is suffering because of me. I'm so sorry...
@CloudinOz
That type of argument will never fly because thats what a lot of people in the early days said about vista. They had the hardware that could handle vista so they didn't have resource issue. Didn't stop vista from turning into a PR nightmare.
@CloudinOz I have two networking issues with Lion. Both, I suspect, arise from the discontinued support for Samba/CIFS. One, I can no longer use a networked drive (Iomega IX2) for Time Machine - I'll probably get a USB drive and use that. Two, my SONOS player can no longer serve iTunes source. For that I reinstalled iTunes on my pc and linked the SONOS to the pc. Otherwise, no bugs on my iMac.
@CloudinOz Same here!

No problems at all on my iMac.

Great upgrade!
@CloudinOz

Me too
No issues on my MBP (Late 2008) either.
Installed on two iMacs and one Macbook, doesn't handle memory very well. Can be very slow at times. Also hard on Macbook battery.
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No issue hear either.
robshelby@... 16th Aug
I was about ready to jump off the Apple ship. But the Lion and XCODE 4.1 experience has been so great that I'm staying.

And really. Vista? Why don't you reinstall Vista normal hardware that was out at the time and tell me if you still feel that way.
@robshelby@... Vista Home Premium came on my Toshiba notebook and never had a problem. Admittedly some of the early folks to Vista had problems but it was patched and became a solid OS. Unfortunately it was never able to shake the bad reputation it got early on.
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@boomchuck1

Agreed, and that is why I don't rush out to get the 'latest and greatest' electronic doodad out there....
Hmm... Works fine here. I will admit that the "full screen" seems utterly brain damaged if you have multiple displays (it "works" but the spec is very weird). The wireless networking works as well as before (sometime the Netgear hotspot stops allowing systems to join, but as that afflicts Macs and non-Macs I'm blaming the hotspot). Not seen any crashing, and waking from sleep is fine too.

Have you tried blowing Snow Leopard away and installing "fresh"? (I know this isn't meant to be required... but)

Can we PLEASE stop saying things are "worse than Vista"? Vista actually doesn't deserve to be the whipping boy it is.
@Jeremy-UK Vista was as much a marketing nightmare as a moderately good first effort at Microsoft's designing a GUI OS from the ground up. Your point is taken. Adrian's point is totally missing however. Denigrating Lion in a blog without providing the least of information within which to frame the critique is simply blowing smoke.
@dheady@... I don't reply often, but this seems one of the most level-headed comments I have read here. Vista was a great operating system. Yes some people had a little trouble with it, but to say it was blown out of proportion is an understatement. I imagine that's what has happened in this article with Lion (which I'm looking forward to and will be installing this weekend).
@dheady@... Exactly the point I'm making.
I think trying to convince people of Vista is a little too late at this point in time. Nobody's going to go out and buy it. It's more dead than XP is right now.
I have had issues with it waking from sleep mode a few times but not everytime.
I have a mac book pro.... and I can totally agree that Lion is the New Vista for Apple..... Its sad, most of the bugs are very repeatable... Web Surfing is problematic probably because of Flash Safari freezes to the point I have to force quit.... WiFi Drops.... WiFi can cause other apps to hang when its not working properly. Time Machine can bind the machine as well......and Search....

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