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Safari 4 - "The world's fastest browser" ... NOT!

By | June 9, 2009, 3:40am PDT

Summary: At yesterday’s WWDC 09 keynote speech Apple announced the release of Safari 4 web browser for Windows and Mac. Apple claims this browser is “the world’s fastest browser” … let’s find out.

At yesterday’s WWDC 09 keynote speech Apple announced the release of Safari 4 web browser for Windows and Mac. Apple claims this browser is “the world’s fastest browser” … let’s find out.

I’m always suspicious of all claims that are along the lines of “world’s blankiest blank,” especially when those claims come from Apple.

So, is Safari 4 the fastest browser? Let’s test out Apple’s claim by pitting it against Google Chrome.

I’m using my standard test bed - QX9770 Core 2 Extreme running at 3.2GHz, with 2GB or RAM on a fully up-to-date Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit platform.

I’m putting Safari 4 against Google Chrome because that’s currently the fastest browser on the block. If Safari 4 can beat that, it earns the title of “world’s fastest browser.” If it can’t beat Chrome, then the claim is puff.

As usual, two tests - SunSpider JavaScript, and V8 benchmarks.

The results –>

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Safari 4 -
vicfirthplayer 16th Apr 2010
That had nothing to do with the argument. This has to do
with the browser not that actual computer (thats a whole
other topic). Please leave your graphic argument at home.
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Your text and pictures don't match.
Bruizer 9th Jun 2009
As to what is better or worse. What is what?
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To clarify, are shorter bars better?
KeeBaud 9th Jun 2009
If so, Safari 4 wins according to your posting.
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It does say next to the graphs...
DevJonny 9th Jun 2009
...but to clarify:

For SunSpider (the first)shorter is better so Chrome wins.

For V8 (the second) longer is better so Chrome wins.
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AKH updated the figures. -nt-
Bruizer 9th Jun 2009
The original graphs were reversed.
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Graphs and numbers? What's it all mean?!
JABBER_WOLF 9th Jun 2009
Its amazing the support Apple fans bring to the table.

They can blog all night and day and be the first to comment.

But can they read graphs, charts, numbers, and do math?

Hmmm....
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And the Prophet quoth
Graham Ellison 9th Jun 2009
"Judge not all Apple fans as one, lest they should judge all your kind the
same!"

And later, after a beer or two:

"graphs, charts, numbers, and math doth confuse many a pilgrim"
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Apple users drink beer?
LiquidLearner 9th Jun 2009
Well then, maybe they aren't so bad afterall!
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Oh the poetry of it
wjanoch 9th Jun 2009
Thy chart doth smelleth fishy.

WWDC Keynote
00:29:55 "Fastest browser on any platform"
00:22:51 Apple's Chart on SunSpider results
- IE 8 = 1.0x
- Firefox 3 = 1.7x
- Chrome 2 = 5.4x
- Safari 4 = 7.8x

You want us to believe that they've made a mistake or lied, while we believe that you haven't made a mistake or lied...

Apple has worked hard to earn their good reputation. Those who challenge it better make sure they can back up their claims or they're going to make themselves look pretty silly.

Some suggestions for protecting your reputation from becoming that of a mac basher (a person who bashes macs regardless of the truth) you might want to use a legitimate test environment, not just "on a number of other systems". And don't say "similar results", instead, actually do the math and tell us what the margin of error is.

I'm sure you don't want your articles to be treated like they're just an unprofessional opinion.
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RTFA
Sleeper Service 10th Jun 2009
happy
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Apple's reputation...
Wolfie2K3 10th Jun 2009
Apple has worked hard to earn their good reputation. Those who challenge it better make sure they can back up their claims or they're going to make themselves look pretty silly.

Ah yes... Apple's 'stellar' reputation... Let's take a good hard look at that, shall we?

Their Mac Vs PC ads - are 99.999999999% LIES.

Example: The most fun you can have with a PC is playing with spreadsheets. While the most fun you can have on a Mac is making slide show DVDs for the family.

If you ignore that pesky multi-billion dollar PC gaming industry, they might have a point. But it's still going to be that big elephant standing squarely in the middle of the room. And it hasn't quite gone away.

And please... Slide shows? WTF? I can do that on my XP box, my Vista box and my Win 7 box. Who's kidding whom? This is considered 'fun'??

Example: More up to date ad: PC goes to the future...

PC, in an attempt to see if they ever figured out how to stop Windows from freezing in the future, finds that his future incarnation is just as prone to freezing as ever.

The simple truth is - PCs don't freeze that often. They don't even BSOD all that much any more - unless the driver for a device is poorly written or the device itself is failing. I haven't seen a 'freeze' since I retired Windows 98. XP just doesn't freeze. It might BSOD, it might crash an app, it may even go into an unresponsive mode where it's busy for a long time, but it just doesn't lock up.

And let's be real honest here - Apple computers aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. They too have issues, kernal panics, BSODs, etc... There's NO such thing as a perfect computer. Not Windows, nor Linux, nor Mac.

I'd go on with more examples, but I got better things to do with my life than detail Apple's FUD factory output.

So yeah.. Apple and their ad agency worked really hard on their 'reputation' - for spreading FUD and other bovine droppings. They're quite good at it - and good at getting people to believe it as gospel fact.

Given this, what makes you think Apple can't ever possibly stretch the truth when it comes to their statistics? Hmmmm...
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Why Would Apple Lie???
djalan 10th Jun 2009
Hmmmm... Why would they lie?? The Mac is the bestest fastest coolest whitest prettiest computer in the whole world!

Yeah, sure...

I remember working for a computer dealer back in the 1984 when the Mac's came out... They had us set them up next to a PC to show how much better they were for graphics...

They put a MAC with 512x342 monochrome graphics (white letters) next to a PC with CGA Monochrome 320x200 - Oh, and the MAC had a smaller (9") screen than the PC (13").

Now, as anyone can tell you, especially back then, looking at a larger screen with the SAME resolution (like a giant screen TV of the day compared with a tiny portable) the SMALLER screen always looked MUCH sharper when in fact the actual resolution was the same.

Mac took it TWO steps further:

1) They compared 320x200 to 512x342. Gee which one would win?
2) Ignoring the fact that EGA graphics was the latest for PC's and PURPOSELY not allowing computer dealers to setup any EGA system within 30' of a MAC! EGA being 640x350 after all and in COLOR (yeah so was CGA) would not fair well for the MAC.

But hey, it wasn't exactly a LIE, was it??

No, not at all... Even when mac went to 600x400 (eventually) as VGA (640x480) had come out...

But they sold MACS as having "The Best Graphics".

They still try to do so today...
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And Apple did this?
p0figster 10th Jun 2009
Hrm...I don't see a margin of error given for
Apple's tests. Heck, I don't even see any
mention of the system they're being run
in...suspicious. Our author here at least gave
basic system specs and gave us actual results,
not dumbed down multipliers.

You want me to just flat out believe the people
who stand to gain or lose millions based on a
claim instead of some guy who just writes in a
blog and honestly won't make a buck or two more
for it? Who's got more to gain from lying?

So, please, get Apple to provide us with system
specs - and they better be specific and varied,
I'll want to see Power of at least .99 in their
tests with Type 1 Error Rates (alpha) fixed at
.001 just to be absolutely certain. Then they
need to provide us with the software they used
to do the tests (none of that MiniTab point-
and-click crap, I want SAS or R being used).
And what do you think, Mr. I-Know-All-About-
Statistics, should they use a completely
randomized design or should they block based on
OS? And since you can't get all the same
hardware under both operating systems, should
we do an incomplete block design or just switch
back the completely randomized?

I'm sick of everybody on here talking about
margin of error when you have no freaking clue
where it comes from or what it would be based
on.
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I concur!
Appreciate-Tech 19th Jun 2009
Here here, let sanity reign!
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Sanity? You're on the wrong board! (NT)
Yax_to_the_Max 17th Jul 2009
NT
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If they could read numbers
mjolnar@... 10th Jun 2009
They wouldn't be buying Apple. Apple has such a small variety, they could just as well say there is no choice.

1st of all I am an AMD guy, buy from the little guy, it keeps the prices down. That leaves me out of the loop with Apple, thank God. I don't use Apple apps because the are restrictive.

My 1st PC had proprietary devices, when you needed to add or fix something, you only had one supplier. They charge what they want, regardless of how much profit they are getting. I didn't really dislike the computer, but when my PSU failed, I was informed I needed a complete new monitor, the power supply was embedded in it.

The other reason for not going with Apple, they are not really very fast, because they don't offer the state of the arts CPUs or components. Why can't you get a Blue Ray player in an Apple?
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BluRay
Jkirk3279 11th Jun 2009
"Why can't you get a Blue Ray player in an Apple?"


It's not a built to order option, but there's been BluRay players for
Mac since 2006.

As for why Apple doesn't BTO with BluRay, it's probably got to do with
DRM issues.

Jobs really doesn't like DRM.

Rumor has it that BluRay will be supported soon, a matter of months.
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Spurious reporting by a Mac hack!
Appreciate-Tech Updated - 10th Jun 2009
I concur! This is just another spurious nonsensical comparison of
platforms and OS's. The fact is neither Goggle Chrome nor Microsoft
Explorer IE 7 or 8 are available for the Mac in any final version. Safari
is however available on Mac & PC therefore your test is baseless
except as an expression of poor journalism, if that is indeed what you
are, clearly your objective of sensationalism is transparent.
Had you compared the speed of Safari and Chrome on a comparable
Mac and Windows machine the results would have been more
meaningful to us as users.

Additionally, as WINDOWS XP and VISTA cannot run Mac OS X and
Mac OS X can run any iteration of Windows OS using Boot Camp,
your test would have been more credible had you run the test using
Safari in on Mac and Widows on the Mac as a native install using Boot
Camp on the same machine, thus removing OS Platform and any
hardware variables.

Sir, all you have demonstrated here is your inability to peruse facts or
factual reporting to you readership. Therefore, while we Mac
users wuill hence review your words and sentiment as you stated:

Quote "I?m always suspicious of all claims that are along the lines of
?world?s blankiest blank, especially when those claims come from
Apple. "End Quote!

Sir, we too will now equally in turn be forever suspicious of any
claims made by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes relating to Apple and the
veracity of your so called unbiased testing. Your journalistic bias
is showing Mr. ingsley-Hughes. The additional fact that you author a
blog "The PC Doctor" indicates there is not as much need for a "Mac
Doctor" blog relating to fixes and support not already offered by Apple
Inc., excellent award winning support, which again only indicates that
you are extolling another hand to feeds you, this time instead of
Microsoft you have chose Goggle.

I believe you are transparently biased; as am! However, my bias is for
the best user experience regardless of manufacturer and regard for
what each user can afford for themselves and their particular
computing need, even when it is free as in the case of the Goggle
browser still in Beta. Free is never free as indicated by the add content
displayed as part of the Goggle browser. Had you pointed that out I
would have considered you a better journalist instead of just another
hack with a suspicion of every thing Apple says and does. Please, if
you are going to report something as fact then you must level the
playing field and be transparent.

Dr. A. de Mandeville PhD
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Get a Life!!!!
DevilBoy1205 10th Jun 2009
People... do yourselves a favor and GET A LIFE!!! Nothing you all say here puts money in your pockets, brings about world peace, or saves the environment... Please find something better to do with your time... and maybe write the perfect OS or application... then you all will have something of value to say.... until then.... STFU.

Thank You!
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re: Get a Life!!!!
Kaptah 15th Jun 2009
Why don't you STFU ?

You have such grandiose ideas about life in general, why are you reading these opinions like the rest of us 'LOSERS' ????

STFU....
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you CAN run OSX on a PC but WHY??
djalan 10th Jun 2009
There are plenty of methods for getting OSX to run on a PC, but why would you want to??

I have done it on several boxes just for kicks, but I sure wouldn't want to pay Apple for the OS (sure, like they pay for XP/Vista when they put it on a Mac!!)

Don't think so? Just google something like "OSX on a PC"...

Of course you will be breaking Apple's software rules which state that it must ONLY be run on a MAC, but it can be done and pretty easiely actually...
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because it's better?
exolon 11th Jun 2009
"There are plenty of methods for getting OSX to run on a PC, but why would you want to??"
Because it's a lot better than Vista or XP. If you had really "done it on several boxes" you would know that.

"I have done it on several boxes just for kicks, but I sure wouldn't want to pay Apple for the OS (sure, like they pay for XP/Vista when they put it on a Mac!!)"
I'd rather pay Apple for OS X than pay Microsoft for Vista.
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Hmmm...
D2 Ultima 11th Jun 2009
Could you explain to me why you think Mac OS X is "better" than Windows Vista? Which, at the moment, is Microsoft's best OS, (and I do include Windows 7 in this statement and I have multiple reasons for saying Vista still beats 7). I would really love to know this.
Especially since you must realise, put Mac OS X on any old PC and see how nicely you get it to run. Drivers will be your downfall when Apple no longer controls what goes into your system
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o_O
Michael Alan Goff 14th Jul 2009
Vista beats 7?
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"If you had really "done it on several boxes" you would know that."
shadfurman 11th Jun 2009
Er... so have I, I don't think OSX is better. Some
people it might be better for, some people who are
into that kind of thing, but its definitely NOT
better for me.

You assume too much, essentially you called
someone a liar for stating their opinion in the
form of a question... thats kinda pathetic, I'm
sorry, but it is.
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PhD?
callandor87 10th Jun 2009
You can't type or spell very well, doc. And the
unnecessary use of long cumbersome sentences
and vocabulary lowers the possibility of you
being a real PhD. Moving on.

Anyway, I really don't understand the appeal of
Safari on Windows. It doesn't support
extensions like Firefox does, and you can get
the stable and secure Google Chrome for speed.
Even Opera is more appealing. What else does
Safari offer?

Nothing.
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I agree but...
shadfurman 11th Jun 2009
I agree with you preference in browsers however
purporting that spelling is any measure of
intelligence is a fallacy.
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"WINDOWS XP and VISTA cannot run Mac OS X"
shadfurman 11th Jun 2009
errr... wrong... I have OSX 10.5 running in
virtualbox so... aside from the fact that
anytime you virtualize something you loose flop
efficiency, its not that you CAN'T run OSX, its
that Apples EULA restricts it legally. And most
PC users don't really WANT to run OSX, the fact
that Apple users WANT to run windows says
something about the product. (And a lot of
people have installed OSX on their PC's, some
are pretty easy)

True that Safari might run faster on OSX (prob
will, Apple makes all their apps run like crap
on windows just so they can say OSX is faster)
but thats Apples fault. And like you said, IE
and Chrome aren't available (in a stable
version) for Mac OSX yet... sooo... how would
Apple know.

Safari is prob currently the fastest browser
for OSX, thats most likely true. But it's kinda
like a dictator saying he makes the biggest pyramids in his kingdom... its kinda a so what.
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"Spurious reporting by a Mac hack! "
Kaptah 15th Jun 2009
You can't see the forest, for the trees.

I am so disappointed to see a person that postures as having lucid, intelligent thoughts displaying his PhD for the world to see and to bow and scrape to his obivously superior intellect, write such tripe.

But that's a typical response from an Apple 'Kool Aide' drinker. Just go on your merry way defending the greatest Snake Oil Salesman of the computing industry. Just as his tactics are unsavory, so is the end product.
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Why V8?
mlindl 9th Jun 2009
I guess if I set out to prove you weren't the smartest tech
writer on the planet I could but guess what?

Apple's proof and measures are on their
website:http://www.apple.com/safari/whats-new.html

Businesses make claims, they've backed them up. You
confirmed the SunSpider Java test. So you used V8, what is
that a test that requires extra-added Windows-only stuff?

You say tomaytoe and I say tomahto but I'll tell you, Safari
4 is frickin' fast except on sites that are clearly Microsoft-
centric.
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Why yes!
Sleeper Service Updated - 9th Jun 2009
Let's use Apple's data because clearly there's no conflict of interest there at all! happy

But, in fairness, they also claim to have the world's most advanced operating system despite not having a true 64 bit OS until Snow Leopard!
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As a (dis)believer
Michael Alan Goff 14th Jul 2009
I wouldn't place too much on V8, I mean...
think about the facts. Google makes a test for
javascript (which I'm told isn't the only thing
the net is composed of) and then their browser
wins.

Oh, and sunspider? Seriously, that's been
debunked as useless on here. Seriously. Do
actual tests, with actual websites. Even then,
it seems that everyone and their mother argues
about that.

Why, you might ask.

Surfing is about more than the browser. Safari
is the fastest on my computer, firefox or opera
might be on yours. I'm told IE crashes all the
time, but it is dependable (if slow) to me.

See? "Fastest Browser" is relative.
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So a Microsoft funded study
GuidingLight 9th Jun 2009
that clearly shows the advantages to using their software over Apple's is to be 100 percnet believed?, without question?
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Apple didn't use a Wintel machine
mlindl 9th Jun 2009
Performance measured in seconds and milliseconds.
Testing conducted by Apple in May 2009 on a 2.8GHz Intel
Core 2 Duo-based iMac 24-inch system using Windows
Vista SP2 and configured with 2GB of RAM and an ATI
Radeon HD 2600 PRO with 256MB of VRAM. HTML and
JavaScript benchmarks based on VeriTest?s iBench Version
5.0 using default settings and the SunSpider Performance
test. Testing conducted with the following versions of the
browsers: Safari 4.0, Chrome 2.0.172.28, Firefox 3.5 Beta
4, Firefox 3.0.10, Opera 9.6.4, and Internet Explorer
8.0.6001.18702. Performance will vary based on system
configuration, network connection, and other factors.

Maybe you should get an iMac to run Windows on!! LOL
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Maybe you should get an iMac to run Windows on
Hallowed are the Ori 9th Jun 2009
Not in this lifetime.

Apple can keep its over-priced garba... er... products.
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Then their claim is false...
GoodThings2Life 9th Jun 2009
If you're going to claim "world's fastest", it needs to be fastest in all situations. Now, world's fastest on Mac may very well be true, but they didn't make that claim.
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why don't you try it yourself and see? ..take 2mins max
doctorSpoc 9th Jun 2009
this is what i got..

sunspider: Safari - 498ms, Chrome - 517ms

V8: Safari - 2772, Chrome - 3862

i'm on an Intel Xenon, 3GHz, 3GB RAM, Windows
XP SP2

since apple used sunspider my results match
apple's...
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Here is what I got
NonZealot 9th Jun 2009
Sunspider: Safari - 819ms, Chrome - 697ms, IE8
- 4974ms

V8: Safari - ~2200, Chrome - ~3100, IE8 - ~112

Intel Q6600 (2.4GHz quad core), 8GB RAM,
Windows 7 64bit RC1

Chrome = significantly faster than Safari.
IE8 = joke.

And for those who say the results aren't
noticeable, of course they won't be on sites
that don't use javascript. However, the results
are VERY noticeable on sites like GMail and
iGoogle when comparing IE to Chrome. I'd be
hard pressed to notice a speed difference
between Chrome and Safari though.
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I've been forced to concur about IE 8 being a dog.
deowll Updated - 9th Jun 2009
It isn't a dog all the time but on more sites than I like it is eather slow or no go.

When I can copy a URL from IE8 and paste it then open the page in Seamonkey, Firefoxs lesser known kin, and open the page faster in Seamonkey you've just got to know something is wrong in IE 8.

I did not have these problems or most of them in IE 7.
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Unless you're on XP and short on memory
LiquidLearner 9th Jun 2009
IE8 should be faster than IE7. That said it's quite a bit slower than Chrome, FF3.5 or Safari. However I don't use very many Java-heavy sites and the ones I do require Sun Java anyway, regardless of the browser, so it ends up being slow while it loads. The only thing I use Chrome for now is Firewall management on the SonicOS 5. It's very java heavy and it's insanely fast in Chrome or Firefox. IE8 makes me understand emo kids.
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To put that in perspective:
Joel R 17th Jun 2009
Seamonkey (latest official release, not counting betas) is roughly equivalent to Firefox 2 with ChatZilla (IRC) Extension, Thunderbird 1.5 (or maybe 2) with Address Book, and a pretty decent HTML WYSIWYG editor (Composer), all rolled into one (it replaced the similarly all-in-one Mozilla Suite).

Being all these things, it’s bigger, and thus takes longer to load, than Firefox 2 alone would. Also, Firefox 2 is older (and thus slower) technology.

So, a bigger and older browser than current Firefox can load from scratch (without even the benefit of already having the Gecko web layout engine in RAM as part of the OS like IE has with its Trident engine) and, after manually pasting in a URL, have the page fully open and displayed and ready before IE8 can just display the page!
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Here is what I Got.
xXSpeedzXx 9th Jun 2009
On a HP dc5100 with a Pentium D 3.40 GHz and
2GB of Ram, Win XP SP3. I ran #'s twice. I will
soon run #'s on my other 2 machines. And I will
see what I will get.

Round 1 Round 2

Chrome
V8 v4
Score: 1414 Score: 1764

Sunspider
1984.4ms 1334.0ms

Safari 4
V8 v4
Score: 778 Score: 817

Sunspider
2025.0ms 2323.0ms

FF 3.0.10
V8 v4
Score: 129 Score: 94.4

Sunspider
4445.6ms 6530.0ms

IE8
V8 v4
Score: 45.9 Score: 34.8

Sunspider
10163.6ms 7903.2ms
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So your assumption is?
BElias73 9th Jun 2009
That Apple, makers of both hardware and software
would somehow conclude that the results of their
tests should be conducted on something OTHER than
what they produce? I would like to see just one
company that does this as a matter of fact...
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Let me see if I understand.
deowll Updated - 9th Jun 2009
Are you claiming that none Apple producets will run slower on an Apple computer or what? Something to do with the OS maybe or the way the hardware is tuned?

Or

Are you claiming that Safri is slower on Windows machines maybe due to weaker coding for the Windows plateform?
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RE: Safari 4 - Apple used iBench
mjlaverty@... Updated - 9th Jun 2009
... which is debunk... and they've used in the past modified... pityful....
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they used ibench AND sunspider... nt
doctorSpoc 9th Jun 2009
...
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Again: Flawed benchmarks
nilotpal_c 9th Jun 2009
You have set out to measure browser speed, and have measured just the javascript speed. Javascript, despite the hype, is just a small component of overall browser speed, albeit rapidly increasing in importance. I am not taking any sides as to the fastest browser debate, but my real life experience tells that a faster javascript does not necessarily make a faster browser. In fact, the study conducted by Microsoft, though more subjective, also paints a truer picture of real time browser speed.
To get more tests about the other components of browser speed, go to nontroppo.org/timer and follow the links. CSS, table rendering, image rendering , network utilization are all important. Browser speed is also dependent on the hardware.
Sorry for criticizing you Adrian, but yours is a blog I respect.
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Contributr
I agree ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 9th Jun 2009
...

"but my real life experience tells that a faster javascript does not necessarily make a faster browser"

I agree ... Chrome, Safari and firefox are now so fast as to be fast enough. My point is that Safari isn't, as far as my tests are concerned, the world's fastest browser.
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Point taken
nilotpal_c 9th Jun 2009
.
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Ever tried disabling JavaScript entirely?
GoodThings2Life 9th Jun 2009
You make this claim about it being just a small component, but have you ever tried to surf the web with it completely disabled? Tell me how many web sites actually work this way, and then tell me that it's just a small component.

I agree that there are other factors-- CSS, tables, etc etc, but don't sit there and try to dismiss scripting which requires just as much if not more processing time and power than a stylesheet.
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So rendering a page is less important?
Mikael_z 9th Jun 2009
How about network speed?
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RE: Safari 4 -
vicfirthplayer 16th Apr 2010
That had nothing to do with the argument. This has to do
with the browser not that actual computer (thats a whole
other topic). Please leave your graphic argument at home.

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