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Safari 4 - This is one fast browser!

By | February 24, 2009, 1:40pm PST

Earlier today Apple unveiled the first public beta of the Safari 4 browser. I downloaded the browser and took it for a quick spin … and I have to say, this is a huge improvement on what I’ve come to expect from Safari.

I’ve only had my hands on Safari 4 for a little while now so it’s very early days, but I thought I’d pass on some of my initial thoughts on this latest browser offering from Apple.

Check out the Safari 4 public beta image gallery

  • Safari 4 is a nice browser. Feels to me a lot like Google Chrome, but a little more stylish.
  • The Top Sites page is interesting, but it feels painfully slow to load in. And since it also features zooming and transparency, so might not be suited to slower systems.
  • I can’t get over how much like Chrome the browser looks like. You have tabs above the address bar, minimal interface gizmos, and a clean look.
  • Tabs in Safari 4 behave in pretty much the same way they do in Chrome. You can drag them about, drag them out of the browser windows to spawn a new window, and drag them between instances of the browser.
  • Browser history is a swish-looking Cover Flow effect like the one that Mac/iPod users will be familiar with. This new scheme means that you are searching for sites that you’ve visited visually.
  • Safari 4 is fast - wickedly fast. Side-by-side with Google Chrome the two feel about equal, but in the testing I’ve carried out, Safari 4 has a slight edge over Chrome (more on this in a moment).
  • Unlike every other browser that incorporates “Porn Mode” private browsing, there’s no visual on-screen indication when you run Safari 4 in private mode other than a check-mark besides the option in the drop-down menu. This offers the most secretive private browsing mode of any of the new line-up of browsers.
  • Apple has taken the time to list 150 features present in the new browser. Some are cool, some are, well, a bit blah.

Few few quick benchmark results …

  • Safari 4 beta scores a perfect 100 on the ACID 3 test.
  • Safari 4 beta aces both the SunSpider JavaScript and V8 benchmark test. It’s now officially the fastest browser.

Interested in taking the beata for a spin? Download it from here.

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RE: Safari 4 - This is one fast browser!
scifisi 29th Mar 2009
Please stop saying how fast Safari is. Safari is among the slowest browsers available anywhere in the world.

Compare Flash in IE to Safari and then tell me how wonderful Safari is.

Please, please take some time to get your facts right, or at least know what you're talking about
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Nice!
Sleeper Service 24th Feb 2009
I shall give it a go.
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Contributr
Why not!
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 24th Feb 2009
Seems stable enough ... and it uninstalls, just in case!
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It just a stripped down browser
Stan57 25th Feb 2009
There nothing too it,where all the plug ins,tool bars and everything else browsers have? Its fast no dough,but its just a stripped down browser,ya know like Foxfire once was. Its a beta i know,but once the adding start to get added it will slow down just as everything does.
The fatter it gets the slower it will become. So I'm really not impressed by its speed,whats on it to slow it down?
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Safari has plug-ins...
olePigeon 26th Feb 2009
Safari has plug-ins, but they're not compatible with Firefox of Explorer.

I thank the gods every day that it doesn't have toolbars.
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Quick note:
msalzberg 24th Feb 2009
The tab behavior you describe is the same as in Safari 3.2.1.

Personally, I don't like the tabs on top; there's too much
separation between the window and the tab. The cover flow
worked well and quickly on my G5, so I'm sure it'll be fine on
newer machines. Not being a programmer, I wonder if this is
Apple's programmers using CoreAnimation. If so, how is it
done in Windows?
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Contributr
I don't recall being able to ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 24th Feb 2009
... drag tabs out of the browser in Safari 3.2.x
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OS X 10.4.11
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Don't know if it makes a difference..
msalzberg 24th Feb 2009
but I'm using 10.5.6.
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You have to drag the tab...
msalzberg 24th Feb 2009
down, not to the side. You can drag it off the current window to open a
new one, or to an existing one to add the tab there.

Works just fine in both my mini and MacBook with Safari 3.2.1.
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It all sounds terribly unintuitive
NonZealot 24th Feb 2009
If you need an instruction manual to figure out
the features then they really aren't features at
all. I heard that somewhere once. wink
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If you actually tried it..
msalzberg 24th Feb 2009
you'd see that it makes sense. Dragging the tab sideways reorders the
tabs. Dragging it out of the tab 'bar' creates a new window, which is
made even more obvious by the tab turning into a small preview pane of
the tab's page.

Is it intuitive? I don't know. I've never needed to move tabs around.
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RE: Safari 4 - This is one fast browser!
ottovoss@... 24th Feb 2009
I've tried to like Safari in my Mac, really? but I just can't take the constants crashes I have over and over. Camino is my main browser, fast and super stable. Firefox is my second browser. Stability more than speed is my deal breaker here, and Safari have not been the best in my experience.
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Recommend trying Version 4
ExCorpGuy 24th Feb 2009
After using version 4 even a little while, it seems much better than
previous versions. I suggest that everyone give it a spin to see if you
agree.

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Incorporates V8?
AySz88 24th Feb 2009
Judging by the similarity in V8 benchmark scores between Safari and Chrome, it seems sort of like Safari is using V8... are they?
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It's more likely it's using a V-12.
Intellihence 25th Feb 2009
I doubt very much also it's a resource hog, like the actual V-12 engines.
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First impression
NonZealot 24th Feb 2009
I'm not impressed with Apple's installer. On Windows 7 it gave me 2 UAC prompts. This is either terrible, lazy programming by Apple or, more likely, was done on purpose to make Windows look bad. There is no technical reason why any installer must be written in a way that prompts for privilege escalation more than once. Windows provides all the tools required to make any installer only prompt once.

It appears that Apple is tired of all the other people writing installers that only prompt once and so need to make lousy installers themselves to justify their Mac vs PC ads.
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It's YOUR fault
kitko 24th Feb 2009
Windows Requirements
Any PC running Windows XP or Windows Vista
500-MHz Pentium-class processor or better
256MB of RAM
Top Sites and Cover Flow require a compatible
DirectX 9.0 video card with 64MB of video RAM.

4 Beta is not supposed to run on Windows 7 Beta.
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Works fine
soonerproud 24th Feb 2009
on Win 7 beta. The only reason Win7 is not included in the requirements is that it is still beta itself. That does not mean it won't work.
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Actually ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 24th Feb 2009
... I'm pretty sure the installer gave me two UAC prompts on Vista too ...
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Did you
soonerproud 24th Feb 2009
uncheck Bonjour before installing? If not, then that is why you got two prompts instead of one.
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I'll lay money now
frgough 24th Feb 2009
that he deliberately left both Bonjour and Quicktime checked so that he
could gripe about the poor installation experience.

Those of use knowing NZ's history have seen him slowly sliding down
into total frothing rabidity.
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I specifically chose the install that did not
include Quicktime and I specifically unchecked
Bonjour.
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it's just too bad
rtk 24th Feb 2009
you had to uncheck the foistware.

Does Apple offer a safari only download?
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Second impression
NonZealot Updated - 24th Feb 2009
So far, it really isn't that bad! I like that I
can resize this talkback box I'm typing in
right
now. It was great to see Acid3 go all the way
to
100 although it must be pointed out that Safari
didn't pass the test because it wasn't smooth
(click on the A in Acid and it will tell you
which tests took too long to run).

It also seems quite fast although I need to
find
an adblocker because Firefox + NoScript is much
faster than Safari without.

I'm really glad that Apple wisely chose
to
use Windows font smoothing by default. It looks
so much better than the Apple font
smoothing *cough* blurring *cough* in Safari 3.

I also need to find an equivalent to NoScript
or Safari needs to work with Windows
Protected Mode. With no ability to block
scripts
and with Safari running with all my current
rights (and therefore with the ability to
delete
/ encrypt + hold for ransom all of my personal
files), a vulnerability in Safari has the
potential to cause much more damage than
a
vulnerability in either Firefox or IE.

The core browser itself seems nicer than
Firefox
so a big thumbs up to Apple for that! However,
it
won't become my main browser unless I can find
the add-ons that help make Firefox such a
fantastic web platform.
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A note about my second impression
NonZealot 24th Feb 2009
Hmm, now I see what causes all of the Apple
fanatics' posts to show up in a narrow column,
Safari is to blame!!! Safari seems to add
a ton of br tags to my post when I use Safari.
This isn't a problem with either IE or Firefox. I
wonder why Safari does that?
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I don't seem to have your issues Zealot.
Intellihence 25th Feb 2009
Perhaps it is your Winblows machine that is the culprit. You know it is
extremely hard coding for an OS that is shot full of holes.
Swiss Cheese anyone?




"In a world without walls & fences, who needs windows & gates?"
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After all, Firefox doesn't add all those br tags in my posts. Oh yeah, Chrome doesn't either so Google has better coders too. Wow, Apple sure has terrible coders!

Besides, unless you now want to admit that all the Apple fanatics who post here are using Safari on Windows, that br tag issue must happen on OS X too... but just with Safari, you know, the browser you just admitted was written by the inferior coding team. happy
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Pagan jim
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I post in lots of places on the Net
use_what_works_4_U 25th Feb 2009
and this is an issue on ZDNet and ONLY on ZDNet. Tell me,
why should Apple code strictly for the reply boxes on ONE
blogosphere site?

Why does ZDNet have this issue and not any of the several
dozen other websites I have commented on over the years?

(And no, NZ they're not all Apple oriented sites.)
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Funny,
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 27th Feb 2009
I just said almost the exact same thing below...
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Yeah I notice that too
use_what_works_4_U Updated - 25th Feb 2009
But it only EVER happens to me here on ZDNet. Any other
blog/feedback site I visit has no such problems with Safari
so I think
there is blame to spread around. It's something between
Safari and
ZD's software causing the issus.

Anyone post here using Chrome? Do you see this problem
with your
posts? Maybe it has something to do with the way ZDNet
interacts with
WebKit?

Addition: Thanks for the information on Chrome, NZ. I
still wonder why it only happens here though.
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Actually, it doesn't matter what browser you post from on a Mac
Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 27th Feb 2009
It will break your paragraphs up.

In fact, ZDnet's forum, out of all the forums I have visited, is the ONLY forum that does that.

I figure it's just a way for them to F with the Mac users.
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Passes Acid3, including timings
rxmz20 25th Feb 2009
At least on my Mac. You have to reload the page after the first run to test
the timings, so that the tests run on cached objects. (Acid3 is not a test
of your network speed.)
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reload to pass acid 3 timing tests
jjarman 25th Feb 2009
"You have to reload the page after the first run to test the timings, so that the tests run on cached objects. (Acid3 is not a test
of your network speed.)"

Excellent point, thanks!
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2 UAC prompts
use_what_works_4_U 25th Feb 2009
are very frustrating, but I have had this happen several
times during Windows updates and security
updates from Microsoft. Not that I have done multiple
updates and seen a UAC prompt for each, but that I have
gotten 2 prompts for one update. That's one of the
reasons I turned UAC off. Does Windows 7 offer more
granularity of control for UAC? I hope so.

Could it also be that the second prompt is for an update to
WebKit? New versions of Safari (and I presume Chrome
since it is built on WebKit) often update WebKit as well. I
won't find out until I get home tonight as my work systems
need to be current release and I always give anyone's beta
24 hours or more before installing at home.

My point is that Safari is hardly the only installer to do this,
and even Microsoft has had this behavior in the past. This
is still a beta release, though, so IMHO complaining about
one extra mouse click is petty in the extreme. It's a shame
NZ, you were beginning to build some credibility with me
and I was taking some of your points to heart, but now?
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I'm surprised you didn't have an aneurysms just pushing the download button.

By the way, it's the fastest browser. That must put a bug up your arse.
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Judging by the number of thumbs down ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 24th Feb 2009
... this post has received so far, either you guys hate Safari, or folks ou there are worried it's gonna whip their fav browser ...
... stories on ZDnet. For a platform that only garners 9% of the US market, (even less than that worldwide) it seems to get 90% of the attention. Frankly how fast a Browser executes Java is just not that interesting!
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Better to read MS press releases?
Richard Flude 24th Feb 2009
"For a platform that only garners 9% of the US market, (even less than
that worldwide) it seems to get 90% of the attention. "

It's embarrassing that a company with as little penetration as you say
(9%) can produce so much. More embarrassing is that your favourite
company, with a claimed R&D spend an order of magnitude larger
produces next to nothing - excluding press releases outlining plans to
someday do something, maybe.

"Frankly how fast a Browser executes Java is just not that interesting!"

I think you'll find that's javascript, not java.
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Next to nothing?
NonZealot Updated - 24th Feb 2009
More embarrassing is that your favourite
company, with a claimed R&D spend an order of
magnitude larger produces next to nothing


1. OS. Apple didn't actually create an OS, they
created a Window Manager that they threw on
top of a stolen kernel.

2. Web Server. Apple never built a web server,
they stole Apache.

3. SharePoint. Apple has nothing like it.

4. Zune. I know, I know, Apple sells WAY more
iPods but all the critics say that the Zune and
its Social are far better than the iPod.

5. XBox. Apple has nothing like it.

6. Media Center. Yeah, Apple has Front Row but
saying Front Row is a competitor to Media
Center is like saying Notepad is a competitor
to Word.

7. Microsoft Surface. Apple has nothing like
it.

8. Dynamix. Apple has nothing like it.

9. Silverlight. Apple has nothing like it.

10. .NET. Apple has nothing like it.

11. DirectX. Apple has nothing like it (sorry,
OpenGL isn't Apple's and even that only
competes with a tiny fraction of what DirectX
offers).

12. PhotoSynth. Apple has nothing like it.

13. Visual Studio Team System. Apple has
nothing like it.

And the list goes on. Now, unless you want to
suggest that 100% of all of MS's R&D goes into
Windows and all that other stuff I mentioned
above was created with 0 R&D (which would be
astounding if you think about it!!!), it
is simply not factually correct to say that
MS's R&D produces nothing. Just because you are
so anxious to prove to all of us that you don't
know what MS makes doesn't mean that they don't
make it. happy
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Beautiful -- Add SBS
PMC-CON 25th Feb 2009
Small Business Server.
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USD7.5 billion a year buys
Richard Flude 25th Feb 2009
1) Less than a licensed kernel with window manager
2) #2 web server
3) A wiki and portal with dysfunctional search.
4) a music player that has been a market failure. (bleeds money)
5) #2 game console (bleeds money)
6) a far less successful media strategy (bleeds money)
7) a platform demo that is used nowhere. (bleeds money)
8) an irrelevant CRM solution (bleeds money)
9) a Flash clone
10) Java clone
11) a multimedia API that is slightly different to Apple's
12) a novel research project
13) a development environment that is better than Apple's for
business line applications (not desktop development) but no better
than Java EE.


"And the list goes on."

The list of nothing. USD7.5 billion in R&D a year this is your list?

A list of technologies/platforms that Apple has been happy to license
without rewriting (Flash/Silverlight, Java/.NET, Apache/IIS, Mach+BSD/
VMS - opps)

"it is simply not factually correct to say that MS's R&D produces
nothing"

It is not factually correct to say that I said MS's R&D produces nothing.

The list provided highlights the poor value MS gets from it's enormous
R&D spend. The technologies listed are the result of multiple years of
R&D expenditure!

That the MS fanboys believe this list is worth tens of billions of dollars
says it all;-)
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(notice I didn't say thought, that's not allowed in Job's kingdom) that being #2 was not a sign of failure, that market rank was not important.

So, is being #2 in your list above a good or bad thing? Because we all know where Apple OS/X sits as an operating system.
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#2 is bad
Richard Flude 25th Feb 2009
when you pay USD 50+ billions more to get there than those in #1.
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@NonZealot
Axsimulate Updated - 27th Feb 2009
1. How did Microsoft come into the OS business? They lied to Seattle Computer Products to acquire QDOS at very low price which really was stolen from CP/M. Then stole the concept of a GUI and threw it on top of a stolen OS. Only to be sued later by Seattle Computer Products and ordered to pay restitution to them. This is not some story I pulled out of my back side like yours, these are well documented facts.

Not only that NonZ, you know full well the Apple didn?t steal the kernel for OS X. To even make that statement shows your ignorance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avadis_Tevanian

Read it and be inlightened.

2. Can't steal open source. DA.

3. Apple has nothing like Bob either and that's a good thing.

4. All the critics huh? Wow! That must really make the Zune better, because ALL the critics said so.

5. Just another "me too" product. Remember it was Atari that created the gaming box not Microsoft.

6. Just what I want, 50 buttons to do what 1 can do. If there is anything Microsoft does well, it?s make simple things complex.

7. Have you ever noticed that nobody ever heard of Surface until after the iPhone was announced?

8. Another "me too" product. By the way NonZ it?s Microsoft Dynamics, not Dynamix.

9. Another "me too" product. One thing Microsoft can?t stand, is having a non-Microsoft product the defacto standard.

10. Q: Why do we even need .NET? A: We don't, but Microsoft does, because it ensure future lock-in to their products.

11. Direct3D, DirectDraw, DirectMusic, DirectPlay, DirectSound, etc. are all parts of DirectX. OpenGL is comparable to the Direct3D part only. And yes Apple does have APIs that do pretty much the same as all the rest. Direct3D was Microsoft?s response to OpenGL. Once again they could not stand to have another product that was not theirs be standard. So what does MS do, why they pull their ?let?s do promise DirectX for all computers and make it open? trick to get most game developers on board, then the pull the rug out from under them and presto, game developers are locked into Windows.

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1996/jul96/indstndpr.mspx

12. Target Disk Mode, Microsoft has nothing like it. What's your point?

13. Where do you think MS got the idea for Visual Studio in the first place?
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Javascript, Java makes no difference.
ShadeTree 25th Feb 2009
For your information IE8 RC1 and Windows 7 Beta 1 are both out. So much for "More embarrassing is that your favourite company, with a claimed R&D spend an order of magnitude larger produces next to nothing - excluding press releases outlining plans to someday do something, maybe."
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It wouldn't to the ignorant
Richard Flude 25th Feb 2009
Well done to MS. IE8 after years and Vista SP2;-)
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Have you even heard about them? They are the 2nd and 3rd biggest IT companies IN THE WORLD. Hell lot bigger than Google and Apple combined together. And so what?

We could care less about them because those companies are NOT INTERESTING. And this small company with a small market share just happen to be more INTERESTING and more ATTRACTIVE.
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that proves time and again it can stories. OK so what would you suggest
that Zdnet write about? What is Dell doing that you find interesting?
How about HP? Heck lets go there MS then? Do you see a problem here
Zdnet does cover all these companies I've seen article about them before
and will again the general problem is on a day to day standard they are
not all that interesting. When they are interesting I think Zdnet covers
them... heck to be honest when they are not all that interesting Zdent
covers them...:P

Pagan jim
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6 articles on a Safari beta ....
ShadeTree 25th Feb 2009
.... two by this Author is a little much don't you think? As to what Microsoft, Dell, HP and others are doing that is interesting there are too many to list here! You just won't see six articles about each one like you do with Apple. ZDnet has become nothing more then the propoganda arm of Apple.
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Please stop saying how fast Safari is. Safari is among the slowest browsers available anywhere in the world.

Compare Flash in IE to Safari and then tell me how wonderful Safari is.

Please, please take some time to get your facts right, or at least know what you're talking about

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