Snow Leopard to leave PowerPC users out in the cold?

Summary: LogicielMac has a screenshot that could spell the end of the line for PowerPC users.

LogicielMac (via MacRumors) has a screenshot that could spell the end of the line for PowerPC users.

Snow Leopard to leave PowerPC users out in the cold?

Now, does this apply specifically to the Developer Preview of Snow Leopard, or is this a sign that Apple is making the move to being Intel-only?

Does this drop come too soon (after all, Apple only stopped selling PowerPC systems a couple of years ago), or is it time to draw a line under the PowerPC?

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Topics: Processors, Hardware

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  • Well, every platform eventually comes to an end

    It does not mean that because the developer tools are
    "Intel only" the environment will be unable to generate
    PowerPC binaries, e.g., the gcc compiler can emit binaries
    for all manner of CPU architectures.

    Apple simply may not want to put in the QA cycles to
    insure that its developer tools run on PowerPC machines
    given that most likely 95% (or more) of developers who put
    out Cocoa binaries probably have an Intel box on their
    desktop. Developers are very wont to have the "latest" on
    their desktop, more so in Mac OS X.

    Even so, a company can't support users of old platforms
    forever.

    The constant upgrade cycle in technology is nothing new,
    take PC gaming where if you don't have last month's uber
    video card, your experience with the latest hot Windows
    game may be lackluster. As a perfect example, in August
    2006 I purchased a $500 nVidia 7950GX2 which featured
    dual GPUs and the ability to do SLI. A couple of months
    later Relic Entertainment released "Company of Heroes".
    Without SLI, CoH rated my system "Poor", with SLI,
    "Average".

    My point? Cry me a river.

    -M
    betelgeuse68
    • Bad form to do this in a point rev

      Everyone understands that support for the PowerPC platform must come to an end at some point. This should be a line that Apple draws on a major OS rev (i.e., OS 11), not on a point rev like Snow Leopard. This would be equivalent to Microsoft ending support of old motherboards in an arbitrary Service Pack.

      Purely from an accounting perspective it's a smart move to kill support for PowerPC sooner than later. However in terms of treating PowerPC customers fairly, that kind of a move would be poor form -- not that that's ever stopped Apple from making similar business decisions before.
      RationalGuy
      • A Sampling

        As someone who owns 3 PPC machines I'm one of those
        people who should be upset about this?

        I'm not. Far from it.

        I was given a value proposition when I purchased all 3
        machines, and value was returned. It will continue to be
        returned with Leopard, and dependable hardware. I'm
        looking forward to these new value propositions with the
        knowledge that if the record of performance and
        dependability is any indicator, I'll get much more than my
        money's worth.

        Moving technology forward is not something that should
        be governed by the Marquess of Queensberry rules. It must
        be organic, unfettered and open to breakthrough. Bad
        form? Bad form is any false politicking that interferes with
        this.
        Harry Bardal
        • YMMV

          If I bought a PowerPC with the understanding that it would be supported by OS X, then I would expect that it would be continued to be supported by OS X until the end of the product. That would, in my mind, include Snow Leopard (i.e., OS X SP6).

          The focus of Snow Leopard is adding better support for multi-core processing, 64 bit processing, and GPU co-processing. It seems like it draws a clear line in the sand -- the kind of radical change that belongs in a major rev.

          Ultimately, maybe it's a trivial thing. Who cares if it says OS X or OS XI on the box, right? But to me, it's misleading to consumers. There will be "Snow Leopard or higher" dependencies as software is written to take advantage of the processing capabilities. For PowerPC users, there would be no upgrade path -- certainly that's not part of the original value proposition. This IS bad form, because the rules do not apply to technological innovation, but rather to customer service.

          I have no political agenda here. I own two Macs, three iPods and will be buying the iPhone 3G.
          RationalGuy
          • if....

            if yu bought a PowerPC machine with that type of understanding, then its just your own fault, because no one, not even Apple, ever tried to even imply a claim like that. You having unreal expectations is not Apples fault.

            and if you really consider OS upgrades 10.1 - 10.5 to be the same as MS service packs, well you are seriously uninformed and have no clue what your talking about.. which is evident by your weird expectations. This post is so clueless I thought for a moment it was a Cox parody.... it is isn't it?
            doh123
        • Thank you for making my point...

          See my post replying to the OP...

          And Harry, for the record, it's MARQUIS of Queensbury...
          Wolfie2K3
    • Isn't this due out some time in 2010?

      If so, then PPC systems will be 4 years old at that point. Maybe a
      bit soon to push you out of the upgrade loop, but then again,
      your copy of Leopard will still keep on chugging away without any
      problems at all.
      frgough
    • Poor to average?

      Aside from the points you make (which I agree with whole-heartedly by the way) I'm surprised that CoH ranks your system as poor with a 7950GX2. I got an "average" with an AGP 6800GT! And a single 7900GS ranked "good" and my current 9600GT-OC as "excellent", even in DX10 mode.

      [i]Even so, a company can't support users of old platforms forever.[/i]

      Hear hear!
      Ben_E
    • But, But... BUT!!!!

      [b]The constant upgrade cycle in technology is nothing new, take PC gaming where if you don't have last month's uber video card, your experience with the latest hot Windows game may be lackluster... [/b]

      Wait a sec... Hold the phone... STOP!

      Aren't the Apple faithful always talking about how OSX is superior to Windows because it'll run WELL on an "ancient" G3 box with only 256 MB of RAM? And how with OSX, you don't HAVE to go run out and buy a bunch of hardware upgrades when a new version comes out?

      Seems to me that most Mac heads with PPC boxes will find themselves with a rude awakening when Snow Leopard is released. Oh... The abandonment issues!

      But have no fear. There'll be plenty of extra sweetened Kool Aid to drink when that day come as the Apple spin meisters will have worked out why dropping support for the PPC is a good (and more importantly, NECESSARY) thing.
      Wolfie2K3
      • for the same reason....

        for the same reason Apple always said Intel processors sucked, then switched to them... because it was true (was, not is)

        Things change... just because in the past OSX ran good on G3s, doesn't mean it will continue that way forever. Just because in the past Intel had sucky processors... well they didn't stay that way forever.
        doh123
  • RE: Snow Leopard to leave PowerPC users out in the cold?

    It is not uncommon for developer previews to run on specific
    hardware early on.
    CowLauncher
  • RE: Snow Leopard to leave PowerPC users out in the cold?

    Could be, maybe not. It looks like the rumor of release in
    Jan. 2009 wasn't accurate (or plans changed). Today, I'd
    look for MacWorld for a definitive public answer and the
    release date. Maybe.

    I'm to the point where I think the zdnet's interest in future
    Apple has gone overboard. Unless the point is to draw in
    the same folks to say the same thing they said yesterday
    about Apple. In that case, never mind.
    DannyO_0x98
    • Future Apple

      Fair enough. What would you have us talk about?
      Harry Bardal
      • Let's Get You Working on This One, Alfie

        Well, how about them Dodgers? ; )

        Sorry, I guess I was in a mood yesterday. Apple is being
        very vague about processor specs for Snow Leopard:
        perhaps more is being said to WWDC participants who are
        restricted in what they may reveal to the outside world.

        That suggests either the details were not going to play well
        and would have stolen focus from iPhone 3G / iPhone OS
        2.0, or Apple hasn't decided and wants to hold off
        finalizing hard choices until it achieves development goals.

        It's pretty clear that to get better performance, they will be
        targeting achieving very high utilization of multi-cores. If
        that's true, and I'm speculating here, since the vast
        majority of PPC systems do not have multi-cores, inclusion
        and support in Snow Leopard would be a moot issue.

        I've got a free morning: I'll get some entrails to roast, make
        sure somebody is checking the tea leaves!
        DannyO_0x98
  • Wouldn't surprise me if Apple draws a line

    They finally cut off "Classic" (OS 9) a
    couple of years ago and I can see them
    making Snow Leopard a multi-core only
    OS. 10.6 would then being about what
    Apple & developers can do after optimizing it for multi-core systems.
    With the 16TB limit on memory added I
    think Apple might be looking at some
    very impressive performance in the
    future.

    As for PPCs and Solo, we have 3 in our
    family and I can see upgrading them
    over the next 1 to 2 years (with the old
    ones going to the grandkids) so I don't
    really see a problem for most of us.
    Apple will continue to support Leopard
    in terms of customer support and
    developers will continue to ensure the
    apps they want to run on PPCs will
    continue to run on them.
    Ken_z
  • RE: Snow Leopard to leave PowerPC users out in the cold?

    Well, so much for all the hype about PowerPC. I still remember one of my dear friends who is a Mac nut who was going on and on about how much greater the PowerPC chips were. How ironic...
    nothingness
    • AMD

      Would that be more or less ironic than AMD hype?

      Power PC architecture is still better for number crunching.
      It's used in the XBox 360, many Macs and IBMs concepts
      have evolved into the cell chip which currently runs the
      PS3 and the worlds fastest computer.

      No, this is a decision based on architecture (multicores),
      production volume, and thermal tolerances for smaller
      thinner devices. Things evolve, and the fact that Apple now
      runs both chipsets concurrently and accommodated a
      smooth transition, is a large credit to Apple and OSX.

      It would appear your friend the "Mac nut" might know
      something you don't.
      Harry Bardal
    • Back then, it was true.

      I love how PPC critics think it's still 1995.
      frgough
    • because it was true...

      PowerPCs were better, that why he went on about it. Just because it is not true anymore, doesn't mean that it wasn't true back then.
      doh123
  • Not at all, as long as

    Apple continues to provide some security patches.
    mtgarden