The average user feels little or no "Apple tax"
Summary: Yesterday Ed Bott put numbers to the "Apple tax" and came to the bottom line conclusion that switching to Apple would be "in the ballpark of $500." Sure, he put together a vaguely straw man argument in places, and chose to pick commercial Mac software where free software existed, but overall his argument is pretty solid.
Yesterday Ed Bott put numbers to the "Apple tax" and came to the bottom line conclusion that switching to Apple would be "in the ballpark of $500." Sure, he put together a vaguely straw man argument in places, and chose to pick commercial Mac software where free software existed, but overall his argument is pretty solid.
The bottom line is this - for people such as Ed or myself, there are costs associated with any platform switch. If you're a power user and you digital life exists in an ecosystem dominated by one OS then there will always a cost associated with any major change. However, it would be disingenuous to suggest that these costs only apply when switch between platforms such as Windows, Mac or Linux. Even switching versions is expensive. I know for a fact that switching from XP to Vista wasn't a "free" process for me, and I'm sure that Ed paid for the privilege too.
There another cost that we can add to Ed's analysis - time. Remembering that time is money, and that it takes time to adapt to a new system, that process is just as much of a cost as the hardware and software costs. In fact, depending on how much an hour is worth to you, this time spent getting up to speed on a new platform could dwarf the physical costs.
As Steve Jobs pointed out yesterday in the Q4 '08 financial conference call, "there are some customers we choose not to serve." While Steve was in this case referring to those looking for cheap systems, I think that it's equally true to say that Apple isn't trying to make converts of people such as Ed or myself who have quite deep roots in the Windows ecosystem. Why waste the money where there's plenty of lower-hanging fruit customers.
I know that it's fun to have the occasional chat about the "Apple tax" (or for that matter the "Microsoft tax"), but the fact is that the whole thing is over-hyped, particularly when you consider Apple home user/college student/I wanna be cool audience. In fact, your average Mac user feels little or no "Apple tax" because most home users I've come across who own Macs (or PCs for that matter) seem to divide their time between pre-installed applications (such as iLife on the Mac, or FreeCell on Windows :) or within the browser hooked up to web services. Apple users can now also easily install Open Office if they want to work with Microsoft Office documents, thus avoiding the cost of Office for Mac in most cases.
Side note: I've had people ask me if Macs come with "The Internet" or "Google." Seriously. How do you answer such a question?
Another issue that Ed raises is one of lock-in. Like me, he has file formats that he can't afford to leave behind. Two points worth making here are:
- The issue here isn't an "Apple tax" or "Microsoft tax" or whatever, but one of proprietary format lock-in. One of the reasons I've been reluctant to embrace Mac is not because of the hardware (which I like a lot), but because I know I'm moving from one proprietary platform (along with countless proprietary sub-platforms) to another.
- One of the purposes of proprietary formats is to lock you in to buying or using a particular bit of software. While very few can achieve 100% lock-in, there can be a fair degree of hassle associated with shifting formats.
Over the past couple of years I've grown increasingly suspicious of proprietary formats and have made it a bit of a quest to choose file formats that I (and others) can easily (and cheaply) work with. Sure, I still use applications such as Microsoft Office and Photoshop, but I try to be careful. But again, even proprietary format hassles don't affect the average user that much. Most people it seems have a few text files, a bunch of photos/video, and some ripped CDs. In an age of 1.5TB hard drives, your average home user has very little data that they really value. Some even welcome moving to a new system because it's a chance to carry out an instant data spring clean.
Note: When it comes to proprietary format, three I get asked about most often are DRMed music, movie makers and scrap book software - seriously!
Apple tax, TOC, proprietary formats ... your average user that's migrating to the Mac platform doesn't care about any of this. They just see Macs as being cool, and maybe offering fewer headaches that the Windows platform does.
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Quite eloquent...
As I read your prose I don't see a bias towards a specific
platform. Congratulation, it's well written.
I'm a Mac and Windows user, preferring the Mac platform
very much more than Windows. Interestingly I paid the MS
tax moving from DOS to Windows 3.1, to 95, to 98SE, to
W2K, to XP; not a big deal actually just a cost of doing
business. Then I paid the tax to move to Mac, the best
computer tax move I've made.
Again, I enjoyed your well balanced article.
I concur.
much of a problem. The real problem is in the file formats
that we must save, share and work with. The main fear a
few of us had was a future where you would be required to
purchase one vendor and stay within that eco system just
to simply share documents or surf the web. At one point it
seemed very plausible that choice could be removed
altogether. To be told you need to purchase and use one
office application for an undergraduate course or that
"This page is best displayed when viewed in X browser"
was gradually turning into "This page can only be viewed in
X browser". Some of these lock ins were illegally leveraged
by simply giving system admins free copies of the latest
and greatest that happened to "Save As" a new file format.
This would cause a trickle down effect or more of an
avalanche of costly upgrades for all other users then
spreading almost like a virus to others such as suppliers
and all the way down to home users. We are not completely
clear of the dangers of proprietary file formats yet but the
outlook is much brighter now than it was 6 or 7 years ago.
Some of this is due to forces in the free market and
weaknesses inherent in a mono culture. I currently have a
backlog of machines in for repair and almost all of them suffer from Malware that was user installed such as
Virtuemondo, Antivirus 2008, Z-lob etc.... This is the
result of a mono culture and average users that are not
experts in secure computing. It is not realistic that the
average user should have to jump through hoops and
spend time learning to master the intricacies of the
machine when after 5 years of using one they still think
the blue icon is the internet and MSN is the web.
Agreed
I look forward to the day when the OS and software ecosystem is diverse enough that supporting standards is a necessity, not an option. Everyone who uses computers will win in that situation.
RE: The average user feels little or no
RE: The average user feels little or no
New MacBooks are $1299 and $1599
More -- or less
aluminum" ones start at $1,299. See: http://store.apple.com/us
Hang on mate
around. Perish the thought that an Apple hater might actually
have to eat some humble pie - or better still, maybe he can
pull his finger out of his ass, get a part time job, and save up
for a damn laptop!
Price of Macs
Now, I have been a long time mac supporter, and I may be bias, however I too converted from a Windows PC to the Mac, and after the differences, which there are far less of now, I found it to be just logical, like the iPhone. Well, I should re word that the iPhone is just as logical and intuitive to use as the Mac.
One bad PC...
RE: The average user feels little or no
there's no question that the mac's design sense is superior, or that people who buy them are willing to pay extra for some bells and whistles. but these are not arguments that get to the core of the issue.
the mac tax argument (and there never was a microsoft tax argument, that's a strawman used to confuse) is solely about putting comparable mac and pc systems side by side and seeing what's more pricey. both articles concede the point that a PC is cheaper and significantly so (if $500 isn't significant, a perspective change is needed).
i tried the dell comparison myself, and particularly when using the 17" options i could come out nearly 1k ahead for something similarly equipped.
so let's stop trying to explain away an obvious price gap with "well, the apple has a mag cord, so that's worth at least 100 bucks." apples to apples, the macs are pricier, and that's been unavoidable. the debate should be about whether or not the price difference is worth it, not whether or not it exists.
and before you start, i'm not even a mac hater - they are slick machines, with great design in a wonderful form factor. and while i can't add $500+ to my purchase price for those things, i can see why some people might want to pay extra cash for the bells/whistles.
There just computers dude
uhhhhhh
this isn't about "don't want" and if you read my post you'll be able to tell. this isn't about want, it's about direct price comparison. i'm sorry if it came off as ranting, it certainly wasn't intended to be.
i just can't figure out why so much effort has gone into "proving" there is no mac tax, when in fact they are more expensive and the people arguing against the mac tax themselves have admitted as much.
just admit they are pricier, claim the extra is worth it and be done. why waste the effort to make the tax go away?
i like mac laptops, actually. were they actually in the same price range as a dell, i'd think about one (i'd have to give up some of my games though:).
as for jealousy, i use my desktop mostly (gaming) and i can absolutely beat mac and pc prices putting together my own. and my laptop i use mostly for the interwebs and light gaming in travel. so, no, i'm not jealous of your mac. terribly sorry to take that way from you :( you'll get over it. after all. it's just a computer.
You don't get what a market is at all
well, a market is all about products at different prices.
Sheesh.
ok, seriously....what?
b) still i don't understand what "the market" has to do with any of this. and i have yet to have anyone explain this *at all.* talking about whether or not something is comparable or worth the extra cash is a judgment about parity and value. it's not about whether or not there is a market for a mac/pc. there is a market for the mac laptops - but that has zero to do with the issue at hand. so, ok, i stipulate that there is a market for mac laptops. excellent. back to the real debate now?
3 - your "sheesh" after a pitifully poor "well, a market is all about products at different prices," does you disservice, not me. yes, things sell at different prices in a market (slap forehead). the question is whether spending more on one item delivers significantly more value than spending on another. my argument is that the answer is no when talking about mac laptops over pc laptops. unless and until you are willing to talk about THAT, keep your exasperation to yourself.
Things you missed...
pc. This is a fact that I've personally proven many times.
Any fool can try and compare a Mac Pro to a pc with a
Core2 Duo, but that's an Apple's to Oranges comparison
(pun intended). The same goes for laptops. Configure a
laptop that has the equivalent features of a Macbook (or
Macbook Pro), and the price is the same (if not higher).
Sure Apple doesn't make the bargain bin machines, it's not
a market they want to be in. Just ask Mercedes, Lexus,
Acura, Lincoln, etc., if they want to be in the bargain bin
car market? I'm sure they'd all tell you No. You get the
point?
It is not $500 more
MacBook with a Dell
Inspiron and the Dell will
be $500 cheaper. It is not,
however, comparable.
The Dell will be a bulky 15"
plasticy thing with half the
battery life, twice the
thickness and 50% more
weight and bulk. No
thanks.
Compare Apples to, if not
Apples, at least Pears. You
cannot look at cheap
Inspirons next to expensive
Macs, but put a Lenovo
ThinkPad up and you will
find far less than a $500
difference. The ThinkPad
is a premium computer,
like the Apple. Even with
Dell, you should be
comparing the Latitude,
not the Inspiron, and again
your $500 difference will
narrow considerably.
That is just the hardware.
Mac users don't buy Macs
because the hardware
looks nicer, they buy them
because they run OS X.
I've owned plenty of
Windows machines, and
none of them were any
cheaper than a comparable
Mac. My last PC was a 14"
Lenovo ThinkPad T60 with
dedicated graphics, a
machine that competes
almost equally with the
high-end MacBook Pro of
its time. The ThinkPad's
video card was essentially
the same as the then-
current MacBook Pro, as
was the Core2Duo
processor, and just about
everything else. Both were
premium machines at
premium prices, built to
last and with many high-
end touches that made
using them a joy. The
ThinkPad was all of about
$100 cheaper than the
MacBook Pro.
The ThinkPad didn't have a
built-in web cam or a slot-
loading drive. The
MacBook Pro didn't have a
docking port or a swapable
drive bay. Both had
illuminated keyboards,
Apples a fancy backlight
and Lenovo's a useful
down-facing LED. Both
had 5 hour batteries, both
weighed the same 5.4 lbs.
The reason I bought a
MacBook Pro this time
instead of a ThinkPad T500
is OS X, as I actually prefer
the eraserhead mouse of
the Lenovo notebook.
Of course, I was comparing
an Apple to a true
equivalent. Both the
MacBook Pro and the
ThinkPad T500 with high-
end dedicated graphics are
$2000 machines, and not
once did I even consider a
$1000 Dell Inspiron in the
same 15" size with a faster
processor and a 500-in-1
media reader.
RE: The average user feels little or no
I'd answer "Yeah" and follow up with a "Call me if you need help
locating them." Easy to answer questions are a relief when I'm
playing Free IT tech with the friends and family.
Everybody's got a hole to fill
Having said that, my bedroom recording studio runs on MacBook Pro. And frankly, I CAN'T imagine making music on a Windows machine....
My Recording Studio is Based on Windows...