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The price factor

By | August 13, 2009, 5:46am PDT

This morning I read two fine articles here on ZDNet that looked at price. Jason Perlow touched on price in his “Der Frankenputer” piece, and Andrew Nusca took the subject of price head on in his piece “Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer“. But what effect does price have on a consumer?

First point worth making is that it wasn’t consumers that drove down the price of computers, it was OEMs, specifically big names such as Dell and Gateway. These companies aggressively drove down the price of PCs, annihilating countless smaller OEMs in the process. But the problem with using a price war to gain ground is that it’s a hard gambit to escape from unless you are the last man standing. Effectively companies become hooked on pursuing market share at the expense of profit margin, the idea being that profits will follow on from a healthy market share.

What these big name OEMs did was effectively devalue the price of a PC to the point that it became hard for anyone to make a profit out of it. Sure, at the high end of the spectrum people are willing to pay crazy money for PCs, but at the lower-end things are very different, and profit margins are razor thin. If you think you are getting a good deal from an OEM, chances are you probably aren’t. Something always gives. Support. Quality. Being chiseled for “extras” such as warranties. Longevity. There’s no such thing as a free lunch. Even if you do end up getting a splendid deal, someone ends up getting the arrow in the back, whether it be the local support technician in favor of outsourced tech support, or the person paying over the odds for the higher-end PC system. Someone, somewhere is paying for that good deal.

Note: This is why Apple rarely competes on price. Once price becomes the standard, it’s a quick death-spiral to the bottom!

Another thing that I’ve found to be true is that most consumers want the cheapest PC possible, until they get it home, at which point they expect it to transform into a supercomputer. Part of the problem here is that most people really don’t know what they want from a PC, and they buy from people who only know fractionally more and who are motivated by sales commission. In the land of the blind … I’m neither kidding nor exaggerating when I say that I’ve known people (sensible, intelligent people) highlight the quality of a system they bought based on how smoothly the CD tray opens and closes, the quality of the cabling, the stylish “air holes” and the “amazing” free mouse mat they received with their system. Even many people spending $2,000+ on a system don’t really know what they are looking for or want. Many seem to feel that price is directly linked to performance, or that there’s a direct correlation between price and quality, or that paying more means they get “first class” treatment when things go wrong.

Note: Again, here’s something that OEMs can learn from Apple. Apple charges a high ticket price, but it also has worked to reduce the number of problems that customers experience in their first year of ownership. It’s a company that also offers a higher quality than the average when it comes to support. People are far more likely to rebuy a $1,500+ system from the same vendor if they haven’t felt burned the first time around. It doesn’t matter if Apple profit margins are high as long as customers are happy to pay the price.

There’s an ignorance when it comes to home build systems too. Whenever I post the “ingredients” for a systems costing $X, I always get comments from people who claim to have found the exact same thing for sale by an OEM for less money. It might have the same CPU, and the same amount of RAM or storage, but I guarantee you it isn’t the same. I don’t build my own systems because I’m cheap, I do it because I’m after something better, something that will outlast, outperform, and outoverclock an OEM system. I learned to look beyond price a long time ago.

When it comes to products such as netbooks, I don’t think we buy these specifically because they are cheap (a point which Nusca extrapolates from an argument made by correspondent Ellen Ruppel Shell), but because we think they will satisfy a need. Sure, cheap make the purchase “safer” but the real reason for the explosive sale of netbooks is that many people are buying them because they aren’t really sure what they can do (and as such have an exaggerated sense of their abilities). The novelty will soon wear off. I remember when notebooks were a novelty, and small desktop systems, and flat-panel screens, and CDs, and DVDs …

Does rock bottom pricing stifle innovation? Well, the way I see the industry right now, prices are about as low as they can go, for the time being at least. This means that there’s going to have to be a phase of innovation because price won’t be there as an incentive. My feeling is that we’re entering a new phase of innovation.

Thoughts?

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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  • Prices and profits
    Competition is supposed to erode ALL excessive profits, so that is what is happening. PCs (incl. Apple) have largely become commodity products, which makes it almost impossible to compete on anything BUT price.

    And why so obsessed about quality? We throw away millions of WORKING PCs every year because they are no longer meeting our (vanity) needs. So that means we should build them to last longer?

    Low end vs high end: I have two Toshiba 15" notebooks, a low end one Core Duo with integrated graphics and a high end Core2 Duo with dedicated graphics and pricey bells and whistles. The higher end just runs too hot, It is a constant challenge to keep it clean enough to prevent the CPU from overheating and throttling down. And why exactly would I pay extra for that? And incidentally, the screen, casing, keyboard etc. are identical on the two systems. On the high end system, I paid extra (and probably through the nose) for more RAM, bigger HDD, "better" CPU, dedicated graphics, Vista Ultimate, better sound, fancy track pad, bluetooth, etc. The high end system cost twice that of the low end system, and I am sure it was more profitable for both Toshiba and the retailer. But the QUALITY is the SAME.

    No, this issue is just the universe unfolding as it should, and much ado about nothing. And if I had to do it over again, I would not buy a high end notebook. It just isn't worth it.

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    Economister
    13th Aug 2009
  • RE: The price factor
    I agree. Anyone who seriously thinks they can build a *good* system for under $300 (or Dell can) is mistaken. I build all of my systems (family, too) because like you, Adrian, I want something I can depend on.
    But the price war mentality you and Andrew write about is also extending to the component side of the industry.
    We're seeing component prices drop in relationship, and not always for the better. Items like optical drives, which used to last for years have lifespans measured in months. Fans, power supplies and even memory are now things you have to shop carefully for.
    This mentality of "cheap" I believe, is harming us across the board, as consumers expect low prices and are accordingly comfortable with simply replacing a product instead of repairing it. When was the last time you saw a TV repair shop?
    This "throw-away" model of consumerism leads to landfills overflowing with cheap, quickly-obsolete and shoddily-made items.
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    Drawsalot
    13th Aug 2009
  • tv repar shop?
    I kind of thought that was a problem just in my town. As far as I can tell there isn't one repair shop in my whole town. Some of the people I know would rather buy a new TV or DVD player instead of getting it fixed simply because a lot of them are so cheap now.
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    lnelson8@...
    13th Aug 2009
  • Repair shops..
    Something you are ignoring is that today's appliances, not just computers and TV's are not made to be repaired. Certain boards and components can be "swapped out", as long as the part is available. With too many items that window lasts for six months or less. As a retired product designer with considerable experience in packaging electronics, I am amazed at the lack of proper screws, not cheap metal-cutting blobs of stamped junk metal, that hold anything together today. Hidden catches that break upon attempting to get things apart, push-together plastic-on-plastic panels, it goes on and on. You can't repair what is not designed to come apart.
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    robertcape@...
    13th Aug 2009
  • Availability
    When there aren't any repair shops in town, the only choice most people have is to buy a new one. I think ICs and surface mount technology pretty much killed the repair shop and I would guess the OEMs like it that way so they make it difficult or expensive to do the repair. I live in a city of about a million people and I can't think of one consumer electronics repair shop in town.
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    zclayton3
    13th Aug 2009
  • Repairs or just learn what you're doing..
    I am a moderately experienced computer owner and builder, with over 20 years working in Silly Valley before I retired to Arizona. I belong to a 100 member service club and seem to be the "ask him" guy for many of the members. The main problem that I seem to face is that people buy computers without any attempt to learn how to use them. Most of their problems are software-related, and self-caused. Very few actual hardware problems come up, and are usually best solved by buying a new "box", though I recommend a couple of good shops in my small city to members when needed.
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    robertcape@...
    13th Aug 2009
  • TV repair
    My take on this is that as the price came down, units could be made off shore and shipped here for the price of a few hours service shop labor, not to mention what they charged for service calls. May be I'm lucky, maybe I'm smart, every TV I've bought in the last 20 years is still running with no problems. Of course, the repair situation may be changing with the wide screens. I don't know if they hold up like the older solid state color TVs.

    A little different with computers. I learned quite a bit about computer repair over the same period. I can change drives, cards and power supplies and such things. Not rocket science. I also know when to give up. I had a lap top in which the memory went bad. No one would touch it, because the memory was soldered in. Guess what. I wouldn't either, so it went to the dump after I removed the hard drive, but I had had several years use and it was CHEAP. That's why I bought it. An introduction to lap tops. Would you buy a Ferrari to learn how to drive?

    So...I buy what meets my needs at the best price I can find. I've even bought a new up-to-date HP, just because it was an outstanding value, to replace one that was just getting old. I had thought for a couple of years to build one, after following Adrian's features. I figured I couldn't build the system any cheaper and I didn't have to buy all the components and do the work. I'm sure Adrian could have done better, but I'm not Adrian.
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    Hans Schmidt
    13th Aug 2009
  • RE: The price factor
    Bottom line is, "You get what you pay for." I've been burned by cheap Dells too many times to buy another one. When my second cheap hard drive crashed, I thought, this is what I deserve. I'm using upper crust Toshiba now, and so far so good.
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    ITOdeed
    13th Aug 2009
  • What computers have the best build quality?
    Hi -

    The decline in product quality is something that I have been noticing for years. So what are the best built systems out there today?

    I'm curious!

    TIA :0)
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    Smart_Neuron
    13th Aug 2009
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    LBiege
    13th Aug 2009
  • Yep DIY
    It is not as hard as you think. CNET has done several build articles that almost qualify as "Building Computers for Dummies". But its more like the Foolish investor articles - They were no fools. Almost any DIY computer will be better than most midrange cost systems. And you'll know how to fix it if something does go south.
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    zclayton3
    13th Aug 2009
  • Re: DIY
    Physically assembing your own computer isn't particularly difficult. It's the *research* into getting the components you not only want but *need* that ends up requiring real work, even if it's only skull-sweat.

    I've upgraded components in pre-built machines many times, but assembled my first (and currently existing) system from scratch just a bit over three years ago. I wanted something that was fast, could handle relatively complex and graphics-hungry games, and would be also relatively obsolescence-resistant. It took me over a month to look through the dizzying array of cases, mainboards, processors, RAM, PSUs, and video adapters, along with reading any number of hardware reviews and recommendations, both by so-called "professionals" as well as by amateur enthusiasts. One of the professional articles I used as a main source was written and published here on ZDNet by George Ou. (Thanks again, George!)

    I narrowed everything down, did some mixing and matching of components that George had selected for one of the three systems he'd assembled for his article, and managed to single-source everything from NewEgg. What I ended up building was, for the time period, an upper-end system (complete with keyboard, trackball, and widescreen monitor) for roughly US$1700. The closest, tier 1 pre-built system available was approximately US$500 more expensive (excluding shipping, which would have added roughly US$100 to *that* price.)

    The overall experience and feeling of accomplishment when the machine fired up for the first time: Priceless.


    So far, the only hardware upgrade made to this system was to boost the RAM from 2Gb to 8GB, so I could install Vista Ultimate x64 (which a friend had acquired for me at a steeply discounted price.)

    This system has worked quite well for me for the past three years, and I see no reason that it can't be a viable system for at least *another* three years.

    Would I do it again? Probably. Will I be able to save as much by "rolling my own" as I did three years ago? Maybe, maybe not. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that the price difference will be narrower.
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    M.R. Kennedy
    13th Aug 2009
  • Apple vs DIY
    You could go spend your time researching the best of breed in each
    component - video card, hard drive, mother board, etc. Then you go
    and get those best-of-breed parts, and find that they just don't work
    well together. The video card draws more current on the 5v line than
    the motherboard is comfortable with and you end up hard-locking
    after three hours due to the regulator overheating. Perhaps you find
    that the video card just plain doesn't get along with that RAID array on
    the same PCI bus.

    Or you could just buy an Apple computer and realise that the hard
    work has already been done for you. Sure, even Apple computers have
    problems sometimes - this just highlights the difficulty of getting all
    the various components to work together.

    The DIY crowd love to crow about how good their machines are, but
    then they'll just conveniently forget the fact that they have got into the
    habit of pausing their WoW raids for 5 minutes every hour so they can
    reboot before the motherboard overheats. Or they have the side off
    the case with a fan blowing cool air into it. Or they have the can of
    spray-on-coolant with the extension pipe so they can spray coolant
    over the processor every half hour, through the fan slot on the side of
    the case.

    One thing that the race to the bottom has taught users is that
    computers aren't supposed to be reliable, and it's normal to have to do
    silly things to make them work smoothly.
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    grail@...
    13th Aug 2009
  • Or you can buy Alienware
    Who does all the work for you, and spec for spec cheaper than Apple does.
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    bmonsterman
    14th Aug 2009
  • Alienware is now Dell...
    So it will naturally follow that in the coming years they will simply become crap, like the rest of the Dell PCs...
    ZDNet Gravatar
    rmazzeo
    2nd Sep 2009

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