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The problem with XP ...

By | June 5, 2009, 10:02am PDT

Why are there so many entrenched XP users? Why are people clinging onto an OS that was released in 2001? Why, despite throwing a lot of ad dollars at trying to convince people to switch to Vista, does over 60% of the market share belong to XP?

The other day I wrote a piece asking those entrenched users if they were ready to leave XP behind and move to Windows 7. This post generated nearly 600 TalkBacks and almost an equal number of emails hitting my Hardware 2.0 inbox. This feedback made for very interesting reading and gave me an interesting insight into why some users are fiercely attached to XP.

The problem with XP, as far as Microsoft is concerned at any rate, is that XP simply was around for far too long. XP went RTM August 24, 2001, and users had to wait nearly three years for SP2 (released August 6, 2004). Retail users then had to wait for nearly two and a half years (until January 30, 2007) for Vista to make an appearance. That means that XP was around and unchallenged for nearly five and a half years. That’s a long time. In fact, there are a huge number of PC users out there who have only ever used XP.

Note: Some pundits, such as ZDNet’s own Ed Bott, consider XP SP2 to be a different OS to XP. Since it was released as a service pack, I’m going to consider XP RTM and XP SP2/3 to be the same OS.

What XP users are telling me is that in that five and a half years, and the more than two years since Vista was released, they’ve amassed a lot of hardware (printers and graphics cards are the two most commonly mentioned items) and software (in particular games, image processing, office suites) that they’re reluctant to have to abandon all this investment. People are doubly reluctant given the current economic climate. These people have their OS, and have built up an ecosystem of supporting hardware and software, and they’re happy with what they have. As Microsoft threw the notion of backward compatibility into wind with Vista, it disenfranchised a lot of users who had made a significant investment in the OS over the years.

Here’s my prediction as to how the market share of XP and Vista will change once Windows 7 is released. Initially I predict that the greatest interest in 7 will come from people who have already switched from XP to Vista. I wouldn’t be surprised if by 2014 when extended support for XP ends that it won’t still have a 10 - 20% market share. We’ve not heard the end of XP yet, not by a long shot.

Microsoft has tried to encourage XP users to accept Windows 7. XP Mode, while it could be much better and far less kludgy, is at least an indication that Microsoft understands what the problems are. Personally, I wish Microsoft had gone further and made dual-booting easier by allowing Windows 7 users to boot from a Windows XP VHD. that would have given Windows 7 users a safe way to load XP onto their systems and switch between the OSes. Maybe this will be added at a later date.

Selling Windows 7 to Vista users is going to be easy for Microsoft. The hard part will be selling the new OS to XP users.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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You LOVE your PC's OS??
daves1646 5th Jul 2009
That's not natural. It's a blasted operating system, it's not a killer ap, it's not adding drastically greater capabilities.

Good luck with that 'attraction'.
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it works good enough...
someitguy79 5th Jun 2009
simple really.
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"good enough" is the problem
wayne62682 Updated - 5th Jun 2009
The words "But it works good enough!" is the bane of every IT professional's existence. That statement is what causes businesses to use legacy technology without every acknowledging the changing times; it is the cause behind the plethora of crappy code that plagues and corrodes the minds of aspiring programmers; it is the harbinger of destruction that invariably means that someone, somewhere, is not getting the most out of their investment because they are content to wallow in mediocrity.

That excuse should no longer be "good enough", whether for home users screwing around on Windows 98, Me (God help them) or XP, or for businesses who continue to use Office 98, Classic ASP, or Visual Foxpro 2.6.

Without the idea that mediocrity is "good enough", the IT world would be a much better, much happier place.

The only constant in the universe is change. The wise adapt, and it's high time that the unwise were left behind and sent to their graves.
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Agree -- but
nizuse 5th Jun 2009
an upgrade (say, from XP to Vista), is not a good thing when the new product sucks.

And it sucks.
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And, but, so, therefore?
GoodThings2Life 5th Jun 2009
Umm, we're talking about XP to Windows 7 upgrades, not XP to Vista...
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Clarification:
nizuse 5th Jun 2009
"Umm, we're talking about XP to Windows 7 upgrades, not XP to Vista..."

"We?" Nope. I gave an example about an upgrade from XP to Vista.
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Clarification
bsa2000 9th Jun 2009
what are people suppose to do.Windows 7 is not compatible with all the hardware thet xp was.Not only will they spend hundreds of dollars on the new os but also hundreds more on new hardware.I tried the beta win 7 and I coundn't find drivers for any of my hardware and my hardware was new 1 yr ago.And also what about my software.They should have created win 7 to be totally compatible with xp.No virtual machine.It sucks and its limited.
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Vista was good enough to ditch XP
Tommy S. 9th Jun 2009
I first installed Vista when it was still at the begining of its beta development. It was a bit buggy but when it went RTM, it was just fine. The problem is people running legacy software on new hardware, not those running 98SE, ME (the worst ever windows) or XP on legacy hardware. They wont make people running P4s or athlons switch to 7...

But I agree that good enough is not a good way to think. My GTX 280 isnt good enough anymore.
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Are you kidding?
Hates Idiots 9th Jun 2009
Vista SP1 is still worse than ME ever was. I have two Vista compatible HP printers that still do not work reliably with Vista. HP and Microsoft blame each other, but after 2 years it?s a sad punch line that every other print job hangs the printer. The fix is the classic Microsoft reboot.

It?s a joke that an OS that came out in 2007 is still not officially supported by Verizon FIOS. Vista has a flaw Microsoft refuses to fix that prevents the full use of FIOS speed on many PC's. My fathers $3000 Vista Premium workstation tops out at 4 Mbps download, but my $1100 XP laptop gets the full 50 Mbps.

I?ll stick with XP and hope that 7 is just as stable and user friendly when I test it on some one else?s PC.
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ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ( )
Timewellwasted 9th Jun 2009
Yeah I will have to agree with you. I know many people seem to think only the computer illiterate would ever remain with XP but having been down this road before with Windows Windows 3 Windows 3.1 then Windows 95 ME 98 2000 etc. I say BS. I "upgraded" from Windows 98SE to XP and after 4 months of constant battles and 8 hour conversations with Gateway (Microsoft wouldn't touch it)went back to 98SE.

When I bought my next computer it came with XP, Service Pack 1 (SP1)came along, had a few glitches but nothing drastic SP2 more glitches and hours and days on the phone with Dell, Microsoft, HP (Printer/scanner problems)and finally fixed the problem with a third party volunteer! Along comes SP3 being touted as not only a service pack but as containing important security upgrades! SP3 Crashed my system repeatedly so un-installed it.

Vista was then installed by a technician for me as I was not going through another 3 weeks of frustration on my own with some Indian on the other end of the line walking me through crap I already tried. Well Vista was buggy as hell and despite the compatibility option, I found entirely too many crashes errors and glitches with my Hardware and Software once I got it home. So.. I took them up on the offer of 30 day free "down-grade" to XP (SP2). Everything was back to normal, then IE8 comes out also touted as a security upgrade. 15 Blue Screen crashes later Microsoft-in-the-head tells me to revert to IE7.

So why would I ever in a million years upgrade to Windows 7 ???? VISTA still is fraught with problems, (my mother has it and she has gone through 3 printers, the first two being HP and like you mentioned apparently no fix! Her newest, a Lennox however works perfect...) and as usual they were off building Windows 7 before they even took care of the first wave of problems with VISTA that STILL exist today!

Asking the question why hang onto XP is just one more example of why we do hang onto what works, the guy asking the question didn't need to ask anyone, all he has to do is a search on the new BLING for technical support sites and read the tens of thousands of problems people ask for help with every week with the current operating systems! More people ask for help outside of Microsoft than they do asking the manufacturer (Microsoft) because for the most part Microsoft will not help anyone without a hefty fee. Why? Because as I've been informed repeatedly they don't offer support for bundled products, that is unless the problem stems from a patch, and their solution for a patch problem? UNINSTALL THE PATCH!!! Dell, HP, Gateway all have the flunkies who walk through a computer program to help you fix problems but it usually ends in these words: Back up your hard drive and call back. Why? Because they don't know anything about computers, so they want you to start over with a fresh install of your operating system!

So please Microsoft, stop with the new ******** operating systems and fix the crap you tossed on us with the last operating systems. THEN move onto something that will work as advertised.

Long winded? YES! Because I've been a Computer user since 1991 and no matter Mac, Linux, Windows it all is flawed! And not kind of flawed, but truly and seriously so!
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agree!
fletchb 22nd Jun 2009
XP works, Vista did not (and still doesn't) work for many people. Good enough is good enough when the alternative is a big step down. Frankly, 7 still looks bloated compared to XP and requires more mem.
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When I bought my newest PC with Vista Home Premium (what a joke of a name) I stupidly assumed that it would still come with OS support for faxing. Ha! When I needed to fax something months later, I was up a creek without any fax application.
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Where's the value
curph 5th Jun 2009
Spending money to replace computers just because the geeks don't have the latest toys is ridiculous.

Computers are tools. If a tool still does the job you don't throw it out. You certainly don't throw it out for a much more expensive tool that doesn't deliver additional value to the business.
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That's where IT and . . .
clarnT 5th Jun 2009
. . . the person doing the work never connect. The thing is both are
right, and both are wrong.

The driving force is the market place. It's the way that changes in
proprietary protocols in OS's and Apps causes both hardware and
software to no longer work together.

About the only place where both new and old software and hardware can
work together is in Unix shops.

Microsoft and their hardware partners are all about obsolesce.
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exactly!
fletchb 22nd Jun 2009
"Microsoft and their hardware partners are all about obsolesce. "

exactly
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Justification
djmik 5th Jun 2009
Justify "Sucks" for us all, please
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Justification for you:
nizuse 5th Jun 2009
Here it comes (and it comes with a bit of homework!):

Google "vista sucks"

You can look it up for yourself. There are only 8,930,000 web pages to look at.
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And how many of those pages...
MGP2 5th Jun 2009
...were generated by people who have never laid a finger on Vista? I'm guessing a good amount. Or were they originally generated pre SP1, which, I'll give you, it did suck in many ways.
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I don't know.
nizuse 5th Jun 2009
But probably a good deal.

That leaves a good deal of people who *have* used Vista and think it sucks.
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Laying a finger
online@... 8th Jun 2009
Many of us who believe Vista sucks didn't touch
it because the bad press made us cautious with
the money we would have spent upgrading
hardware to run the new OS. I knew I would need
a new laptop to run Vista, but I wasn't willing
to risk my money on a fancy new Windows machine
that would run an expensive new OS.

I bought a Mac instead, and have never
regretted it.

End of story - end of message.

Selah.
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Re: Justification
MarkKB 5th Jun 2009
Most of those hits must be talking about something else:

"Vista sucks": 137,000 hits
Windows Vista sucks: 770,000 hits

EDIT: Vista sucks: 1,130,000 hits. Your stats seem to be out a bit...
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Try this using Bing!
nizuse 5th Jun 2009
Vista sucks: 7.6 million hits
Windows Vista sucks: 5.4 million.

Frankly, I didn't expect *that* on a Microsoft site. Given MS's track record, they could have at least censored some stuff!
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search for
richvball44 6th Jun 2009
MS Vista sucks at google. Results are;

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,240,000 for MS Vista sucks. (0.27 seconds)
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search results
Dameadows 7th Jun 2009
Try Yahoo... 20,300,000 hits for vist sucks. Maybe Vista and google suck!
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Your math sucks.
Cayble 5th Jun 2009
First of all, Googling Vista sucks gets 404,000 returns.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=vista+sucks&btnG=Search&meta=


Try Apple computers suck. 355,000 returns. Thats an absolutly abismal result for an OS that cannot acheive 10% market share.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Apple+computers+suck&btnG=Search&meta=

The only conclusion that can be made is that what ever "common knowlege" there is that Vista sucks, the evidence is in that Apple proportunatly sucks far more using the same standards.
nt.
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I just followed your links, and got 1,100,000 hits for "vista sucks" and
599,000 hits for "Apple computers suck."

These numbers change constantly, and have no real meaning.
"Microsoft sucks" - 164000
"Apple sucks" - 69900
"windows sucks" - 61800
"windows vista sucks" - 31200
"xp sucks" - 20000
"ubuntu sucks" - 8370
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No, not more accurate.
rtk 6th Jun 2009
Just a smaller total number of meaningless ever changing results amounting to little more than an unpopularity contest.
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This is meaningless
A.Sinic 6th Jun 2009
If a web page says something like "I played Solitaire on Vista and it looks great, but on XP it just sucks" is going to get included in this overall "Vista sucks" page count.
Putting the search within quotes will always provide more accurate results.
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Hmmm I got the exact same results in 0.31 seconds.
I mean right to the exact number 404,000 that seems oddly manipulated?? I say this mostly because 4 days have passed since you posted.. Surely this figure should have changed in 4 days??
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If you type "vista sucks" (included quotes) then you only get 131,000 results.

It appears you don't know how google works. If you type Vista sucks, it just means the words "vista" and "sucks" are somewhere on the page content.

For example it will pick the following up

"xp SUCKS compared to VISTA"

And place it in the results. Educate yourself.
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It does know a little about context. If in some page the words Vista and sucks are too far apart google will most likely exclude that page from the search results it returns. There may be exceptions though, we don't really know how google determines context.
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No, it doesn't
mwagner@... 8th Jun 2009
Vista may have "sucked" in 2007 because it was released before ISVs and peripheral makers had their ducks in a row but it doesn't today - unless you are hellbent on running old software. In truth, Vista, and now Windows 7 offer far better security than Windows XP ever did!
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Old software?
flboffin 8th Jun 2009
Even most old software works on Vista SP1. I use Eudora 5.2 (2000), Labels Express 2.0 (1997--by Parsons Software, FGS!), Family Origins 10.0 (2001), and Project Clock 4.21 (2001). All work flawlessly on Vista SP1. Two of them (at least) actually predate XP. Only incompatibility problem I had with Vista pre SP1 was bad drivers for my HP LaserJet 4000. SP1 fixed that. I won't go for 7 until I get a new computer (I never upgrade my OS in situ).
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Well, yes, it does...
mdsock@... 8th Jun 2009
I've used Vista over it's life (a whole two and a half years now, an eon in computer terms). I'm not much more impressed now than I was when it came out. Vista is apparently more secure than XP, as provided by Microsoft. But it's been a very, very long time since I've trusted Microsoft alone for security.

And Vista still feels sluggish. I don't like the eye candy (I know, I can shut it off) and that's the most significant thing I see as a change over XP (or even 2000). I've had a hell of a time with some computers straightening out a WiFi connection in Vista, when it was comparatively simpler on XP (and simpler yet on 2000, even though it didn't natively support wireless). Frank, the whole OS seems mostly clumsy for a power user. When I want to add features to XP, I just add software. Not the best solution, admittedly, but at least I'm the one choosing what I want.

And I'm sorry, "old software"? I'd guess you mean the OS, since I've yet to see a Vista-only app. Even though SP3 updates XP to something more recent than 2001. But since the apps all support XP, that means it's still viable. I haven't even seen anything that I can recall that has Vista-only features. Might have been different if WinFS had been kept in the OS. As noted in the blog, XP is good enough. It let's me do what I want to do. I transcode video, author DVDs, edit large images and a host of less intensive tasks. So exactly what is Vista going to give me, with its "newness"?

I avoid running on the Microsoft upgrade treadmill, just to add to their profit margin. I have a computer to benefit myself, not the corporations. When product support ends in 2014, I'll decide what to do, not limit myself to Microsoft's options. Maybe (probably?) Linux will be good enough to use as a primary OS. Five years is a long time and planning that far ahead is likely to get someone burned. I might consider Windows 7, but the idea of activation still galls me and WGA just takes it over the top (WGA as critical under Automatic Update? Please).

You don't think Vista sucks? Fine for you. But that's very subjective and obviously, a lot of people don't agree with you. And even more just don't see enough of an advantage to moving to Vista . And they vote with their wallets, especially as tight as money is now. Short of some great XP-only catastrophe, that will only change very gradually, since most people only get a new OS with a new machine.
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I agree--mostly
flboffin 9th Jun 2009
Mdsock: I agree with you on the "old software" and that Vista's not much better than XP. I like the Aero interface, but that's personal opinion. Your last point was right on: most users get a new OS only with a new machine. I got Vista when an EMP from a nearby lightning strike took out my XP SP2 machine. I broke my own rule: never get a new OS until SP1 is out. Big mistake. I had several problems with Vista before SP1; since then, it's been okay. But Vista was always more stable than XP. On XP a crashed app took out the OS at least 90% of the time; on Vista, hardly ever. I've not seen anyone refute this point. To me, stability is the most important quality for an OS. And the fabled slow boot times? One gal wrote that some Vista users have boot times over 30 seconds. Poor babies! I'd like to know what the devil one minute (say) is out of an 8 to 12 hour work day? Peanuts, I say. Impatience is a national obsession nowadays.
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Indeed!
GoodThings2Life 5th Jun 2009
In fact, I'd expand your closing thought to be:

"Without the idea that mediocrity is "good enough", the WHOLE world would be a much better, much happier place."
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IT types don't run successful businesses.
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Like Apple, Oracle and MS you mean?
Sleeper Service 5th Jun 2009
happy
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ridiculous post
stevey_d 5th Jun 2009
why not try to inject some meaning in there, or even address, what is an interesting, valid post.

IT people often myopically see only their own problems, and ignore the problems their customers (users) have to deal with, usually saying something stupid concerning how stupid the "users" are, and how bright the IT staff are.

You need to facilitate your users' activites, they shouldn't need to jump through hoops YOU put in place.
If you're being like this, then you can cause a lot of damage to your organisation's performance.
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ARE YOU AN IT??
Timewellwasted 9th Jun 2009
While I whole heartedly agree with you, I seriously would be stunned to hear this from an IT. I personally know 4 ITs one of whom is still the same old Mark I knew and loved. While Wendy, Todd, and Mark W. are now the very epitome of the "I am an incredibly bright and talented IT, and you are a lowlife ditz who doesn't deserve that new computer as you do not even know how to use it properly" stereotypical IT..
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Yep, exactly.
frgough 5th Jun 2009
None of those businesses are run by IT professionals. They are run by
businessmen.
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Who were IT professionals.
Sleeper Service 7th Jun 2009
happy
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Learn the difference between IT personnel and a business person. The background doesn't matter, the end result is what matters, and these companies are run by business men in the end result.
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And their background is...?
Sleeper Service 7th Jun 2009
I can throw you a strong hint if you like.
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I think you and I both know...
Cayble 7th Jun 2009
...that background means squat, well at least is insignificant compared to once a person becomes and stays the successful businessman persona.

Its the same as any big company. Just because a plummer for example opens a company and makes it big doesn't mean that plumbers skills make for good business operators. Its his business skills that made the thing work.
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sheash
mojorison67@... 8th Jun 2009
good god you people are petty.
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no, the problem is that Vista sux
rosanlo 5th Jun 2009
XP would have been replaced by Vista
if Vista had given XP users a compelling
reason to change. I won't repeat Vista's
debacles, starting from the logo/branding
fiasco from Vista's launch.

A long time from now, Vista will be regarded
as the second coming of Windows Me, and we
all know how that turned out.
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You LOVE your PC's OS??
daves1646 5th Jul 2009
That's not natural. It's a blasted operating system, it's not a killer ap, it's not adding drastically greater capabilities.

Good luck with that 'attraction'.

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