Ubuntu 7.10 - Installation walk-through

Ubuntu 7.10 - Installation walk-through

Summary: The purpose of this post is simple - to show how easy it is to install Ubuntu!

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This post will hold no surprises for those of you who have experience handling Ubuntu, and really it's not aimed at you (unless you want to chime in with hits, tips or suggestions).  the purpose of this post is simply to show folks who've not dabbled with Ubuntu just how easy it is to install this operating system.

Ubuntu 7.10 - Installation walk-throughCheck out the Ubuntu 7.10 installation walk-though here.

The great thing about the Live CD format is that you can dabble with an OS without having to install the OS and lose your existing OS.  That's a great "try before you commit" feature and allows you to pick the distro that's right for you.  But once you've decided to make the leap, you then want to make sure that the installation process is as smooth and hitch-free as the Live CD experience is.

Ubuntu 7.10 - Installation walk-throughSo far, my Ubuntu 7.10 install experiences (and I've carried out about five installs so far on different platforms) have been pleasant and totally hassle-free - exactly what an OS installation should be like. 

What I especially like about the Ubuntu installation is that all the questions are answered at the beginning of the install process and then the installation process doesn't need any user input until the end.  This is in stark contrast to Windows XP where the install process is all over the place (Windows Vista is more like Ubuntu and asks all the questions at the start of the process).

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  • Update Manager failed me (7.04 to 7.10)

    I recently upgraded by fully patched 7.04 to 7.10 via Ubuntu's included Update Manager application. It appeared to work correctly, but upon restart the OS reported that nearly every component was out of date. I manually verified that the new kernel was installed and various other applications were updated. Synaptic could only retrieve package information for less than half of the repositories, making it impossible for Ubuntu to correctly track/identify software versions.

    To make things more uncomfortable, the update caused all the windows in Gnome to lose their title bars. I could not move, resize, or close any windows. Adjusting the visual effects to "none" in the expanded Appearance Preferences screen resolved the issue but the problem reappears if I select either "normal" or "extra". I did have Ubuntu 7.04's "enhanced effects" (aka Compiz) turned on, and the Update Manager warned that Compiz was no longer a supported product. Still, the upgrade process should have properly handled transition from 7.04's Compiz. (The 7.10 Live CD does not have this problem, so I doubt it's an issue with incompatible hardware.)

    Of course, my troubles could stem from the Ubuntu servers being hammered during their first week of offering 7.10. Or it could be that I'm behind a firewall, and the new software doesn't correctly use my saved proxy/account/password data like 7.04 did.

    I'm doing a similar upgrade on a computer that's not behind a firewall, so I'll return in a day with a report on that particular install.
    R_Connelie
    • Check the repositories ...

      Check to see if all of the repositories point to 'gusty' and not to 'feisty'. Do this by going to a terminal and type:

      [b]cat /etc/apt/menu.lst[/b]

      If any of the repositories are pointing to 'feisty' you need to change them to 'gusty'. Enter the following:

      [b]sudo gedit /etc/apt/menu.lst[/b]

      Change all of the 'feisty' entries to 'gusty', you can do this with the replace feature. File save then exit. Enter the following:

      [b]sudo apt-get update[/b]

      then

      [b]sudo apt-get dist-upgrade[/b]

      This is to manually update the system and bypass the Synaptic interface. This should work without a problem.

      To get back you window titles open a terminal and type:

      [b]emerald --replace &[/b]

      This will reload the windows decorator and you'll have the controls backs. ;)
      MisterMiester
      • gksu, not sudo

        I don't know the specifics, but there is *something* that gksu looks for when you're using a gui app that sudo doesn't, so if you are needing to run a gui app as root (like gedit), you're supposed to use gksu.
        macoafi
        • Well ...

          Technically you are "correct" that you could overwrite some files, such as .ICEautthority, as root since sudo may have unintended consequences, but in the case of synaptic and gedit it's "ok" if you use sudo.

          When you use a system long enough you tend to know when things will work and when they will not. ;)
          MisterMiester
        • Well maybe

          "Supposed to use" gksu sometimes fails to work whereas a sudo does. For example, several examples of upgrading from one Ububtu version to another indicated the process as entering gksu update-manager -c . However, at least on my Ubuntu system upgrade sequence, Dapper to Edgy and Edgy to Fiesty, without using the command sudo update-manager -c, the update process failed to begin.

          So, using gksu would seem to depend on the system and circumstances.

          Take care
          drdorociak
        • gksu is a graphical sudo, in effect... same for kdesu (nt)

          title says all
          shryko
      • Question for MisterMiester?

        I tried to run the ubuntu 7.1 demo on my quad vista - it hung. Is this a problem with vista or the cpu?

        PS. I dual booted Mint 3.1 and ubuntu 7.1 on an old 1200 AMD - once i got out of the way Mint loaded easily enough, then using the experience from Mint - ubuntu loaded equaly easy. Thankyou for the informative post - stuff like that really helps newbies like me.
        Mujibahr
      • Took another path

        MisterMiester,

        I didn't see your helpful reply until after I attempted to follow "Upgrading using the alternate CD/DVD" on this official Ubuntu page:
        http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading

        Unfortunately, that didn't work either. While Ubuntu correctly recognized that the disc was a valid package source, actually performing the update resulted in repeated "Insert the disc with name "Ubuntu 7.10 'Gutsy Gibbon'"" errors, despite the fact that the correct disc was inserted into the lone optical drive. the disc was burned directly from the alternate instalation CD ISO (which passed the MD5 check (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes)). Interestingly, the disc name specified by Synaptic did not match the disc name as reported by Ubuntu...

        Anyhow, I eventually scrapped the whole partition and did a fresh install of Ubuntu 7.10 from the standard Desktop Edition disc. Ubuntu 7.10 is working fine, although it's still a pain to configure Ubuntu to properly connect through the password protected firewall. Providing the proxy info and user:password into either/both the OS proxy preferences or Synaptic's network preferences doesn't work, even when rebooting after every change. I eventually got through by editing/creating a bash.bashrc file or apt.conf file (not sure which) and adding the proxy info.
        http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html
        http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/55599-configuring-proxy-synaptic-package-manager-ubuntu.html
        R_Connelie
      • Gutsy not Gusty

        Anyone following that advise has just rendered themselves unable to get updates.. ;)

        It's guTSy not guSTy.
        stonehenge1
    • I've never successfully upgraded any Linux system

      It always leaves a mess, removes my custom menu entries, and breaks my installed apps. If I have to reinstall everything to upgrade, I may as well stick with the Evil Empire Of Redmond. You have to give them credit that their upgrades generally leave your prior configurations in place and most everything works. I'm not talking about Vista, I have no experience with it.
      NotMSUser
      • /home

        The way to get around this is when configuring the initial install,during the partitioning step,when prompted for mount points, it's best to set up a /home partition separate from the /root partition. The /root carries the OS files boot,etc,bin,dev, and so forth, and the /home partition carries the user's documents and .config files(which are hidden files. Upon upgrade, only reinstall the /root partition. The installer will recognize and mount the /home partition and all will be well. It took me a lot of copying and/or accidentally deleting the recopying and reconfiguring before I figured this out, and it is a common problem. Lots about it in Google for details.Good Luck
        Louis.Ross
    • Servers were hammered

      I upgraded a few weeks ago to avoid this, but I know a few people were having trouble with getting the upgrade. I went to install openclipart yesterday from the us.ubuntu.com repo and it just wouldn't go. Try a different repository. Go to packages.ubuntu.com and pick some random deb, then click the "all" button near the bottom of the page where it takes you to a list of mirrors from which to download. If you change the http://us.ubuntu.com part of your sources.list to use one of those URLs, you'll probably be better off. I switched to OSUOSL's repo because I knew it was fast (>4MB/s wget'ing a kubuntu iso!), and apt flew.
      macoafi
      • (NT) Bookmark some mirror sites before release date :o)

        :o)
        Jack-Booted EULA
    • But it worked on another computer

      As mentioned in my original post, using Ubuntu's provided Update Manager didn't successfully upgrade a fully patched 7.4 to 7.10. In fact, it seemed to wreck the installation beyond easy repair.

      I also mentioned that I would attempt the same process on another computer. I'm glad to report that the second attempt worked correctly, even during a time period when the servers were overwhelmed with other users. The second attempt even properly handled the transition from 7.04's Compiz to 7.10's "extra" visual effects.

      There are a number of hardware differences between the two systems, but I think the primary reason the first attempt failed was because that computer was behind a password protected firewall. I suspect that one of the 7.10 updates caused Ubuntu to overwrite the file that contained the proxy info and connection credentials.
      R_Connelie
  • If you have a older ATI Radeon express 200

    on a MSI motherboard like I do this might be a non-starter for you. Even with the ATI proprietary driver and catalyst control loaded I could not get better than 800x600 resolution. I used Envy http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html (thanks dbase) to install the driver and control center and the installation worked great but still no 3D and crappy resolution. Suse 10.3 has great resolution with my setup so I went back to that. The 3D crashes my system but at least I get good resolution. Xp does not have a problem with 3D so I'm not real sure why all the diffrent distros I have tried do? Oh well another reason to upgrade my hardware I guess.
    bka1959
    • Ubuntu forcing Hardware Upgrade?

      What an ironic twist. <br>
      xuniL_z
      • Lol, Thats the reason why I passed on Vista!! NT

        .
        bka1959
      • Linux and ATI

        ATI has always had poor driver support for Linux. They are getting better.

        Most Linux users that I have talked to opt for NVIDIA hardware for better driver support.
        dragosani
        • Well

          that didn't seem to stop the linux fan boys from hammering Vista all the same. ;)
          xuniL_z
        • Broadcom Wirless 43xx drivers

          do not work in Ubuntu 7.10. They worked fine in 7.07. I am dissappointed about that. I have read all forums about this problem, and some get it work and others cannot. I am one of the unlucky ones.

          I will be removing linux, if I can figure out how, and will be sticking to Windows Vista. At least it works for me.
          BroGnorik