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Vista and Leopard both make it onto PC World's "Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007"

By | December 17, 2007, 4:45am PST

Summary: Face it - Elvis is dead and both Vista and Leopard failed to make grab the hearts of users in the way that their makers hoped they would.

Well there’s a surprise - both Vista and Leopard make it onto PC World’s “Biggest Tech Disappointments of 2007.”

Face it - Elvis is dead and both Vista and Leopard failed to make grab the hearts of users in the way that their makers hoped they would.  PC World’s list of disappointments Vista makes it in at the top slot, while Leopard comes in at #8.  Neither comes as a surprise to me.  What happened in 2007 should serve as a cautionary to both Microsoft and Apple.  The longer you leave an operating system about before a replacement, the greater the inertia will be when it comes to trying to shift them onto the new version. 

What I see as having happened is that in the time that XP and Tiger had been around (remember that while Windows users have been waiting for Vista for a lot longer than Apple fans were waiting for Leopard, the gap between Tiger and Leopard was the largest between Mac OS X launches) users have become too stuck in their ways and have forgotten that being an early adopter generally means that you’re the first to stand on the rakes and take one for the team so that those following you in a few months don’t have to.  I’ve seen and felt that effect personally.  I’d totally forgotten about all the XP RTM problems I’d had all those years ago, so when it came to rolling out Vista, I was comparing an RTM release to an SP2 release.  Not only that, but there’s years worth of driver maturity and workarounds to take into account.  This isn’t an excuse, it’s just fact.

Microsoft’s had it particularly hard with Vista because after years of development and months of hype, people had been led to believe that they were in for something special.  What they weren’t ready for the huge paradigm shift that Vista bought with it (and when it comes to Office 2007 you get a double-helping of paradigm shift), not just in the way we work, but in what would work.  Apple, by comparison, had it easier because Leopard represented another step in the evolution of Mac OS X rather than a sweeping change. 

Thoughts? 

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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They both are dissappointments
rjpedigo 3rd Jan 2008
I have a macbook and a PC desktop. I upgraded my macbook to Leopard and I have to say that while I don't really have any problems with Leopard, it just doesn't seem to have any new features that I actually use. For all practical intents it's the same thing as tiger with a redisigned doc.

My desktop is almost 4 years old and still running XP nicely. For six months I owned a new HP laptop which came with a free vista upgraded. It basically downgraded performance and it took a few months of driver updates before everything worked properly. It looked nice but I'm not paying for an upgrade to look nice. Like most users's I'll "upgrade" when I eventually replace my desktop.

The irony is I actually want to buy a new desktop but the current market is keeping me from doing so. Maybe after Vista service pack 1 or even SP2 it will be time.
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Leopard yes, Vista no...
Mike Cox 17th Dec 2007
How can anyone say Vista was a disappointment? The Start Button has now been replaced by "The Pearl". This is the way people work in the real world! You don't press start, you usually just press a simple button to get going. The wallpapers in Vista are gorgeous and have increased user productivity here by about 341%. With the new hardware requirements for RAM and video cards, I have also helped my Dell rep make his sales numbers this year. Collectively, Vista is a WOW and Leopard is a "not now". My rep and I agree, "Use Vista in 2008, be great".
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Mikes Middle Name is Shux
johnpall@... 17th Dec 2007
He really is the Forrest Gump/Gomer Pyle of this Forum
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Here, fishy, fishy, fishy . . .
JLHenry 17th Dec 2007
8.8m Mike!!! I didn't see one Reference to your MS rep (although you DID get your Dell Rep in!), and not even one trip to a fine dining establishment . . .
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8.0 again
nilotpal_c 18th Dec 2007
Losing form, Mike.
Another one of the classics like "pre-alpha release of Vista being Wow Now" or "choosing between work and life and then firing for insubordination" PLEEEEASE.
You have set a high standard,Dammit.
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That Chap heap big brain.
morrig 19th Dec 2007
Yer but to be able to evaluate that the wallpapers alone increased productivity by 341%,you have to admit he is no Gump,as he said live is like a box of chocolates you do not know what your getting,yep you do it tells you what it is above the chocky,yep he is now Gump?
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Vista was a big dissapointment
veggiedude 17th Dec 2007
It simply doesn't run on many machines. I have a nephew who makes six figures as a
programmer and his laptop has 2 gigs RAM and yet the drive churns constantly he
can't get any work done. His laptop is a year old. He says Vista is a load of crap. He
envies the Macs in my house. I think I can make a switcher of him.
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Delusional
Herc@... 17th Dec 2007
Please Don't lie..
If you want people to get a MAC Just Say So( and Then Go Away)..
But Obviously Somebody has no Clue how to use Windows or a Laptop.
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Sounds like...
rtk 17th Dec 2007
your nephew is overpaid by about 5 figures.
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YEAH!!! MACS ROCK!! I LOVE MY MAC!!!
NonZealot 17th Dec 2007
I know a guy who got a virus on his Pista machine. I laughed at him. That's a fact!
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Dude, you really ought to try a Mac
MarcB_z 18th Dec 2007
instead of being such a poseur. And that's a fact!
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agreed
saint9121@... 18th Dec 2007
vista runs all my apps smoothly and with SP1 coming out, it will only be faster. I dont see how people dont see the security advancements of vista. accepting and not what programs have access to the interent is a great feature. Leopard is no more of an advancement of tiger as Windows ME was to Windows 2000. It has 5 new apps that people would use but it still isnt nearly worth the upgrade cost of the OS.
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Considering Windows ME
alaniane@... 18th Dec 2007
was not an upgrade of Win 2000, but Win 98 that says a lot for Leopard.
...most people see no benefit to upgrade. This is true of both Vista and Leopard. The only reason I upgraded from Windows 2000 Professional (I saw no real benefit to upgrade to XP from W2K) to Vista was due to a hardware replacement. I have no intention of upgrading my Mac to Leopard. Tiger does everything I need so it's wasted money. I expect to "upgrade" to later operating systems through hardware replacements...both PC and Mac.

How's that Mini working out? What are you doing with it?
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The reason - Multiple Processors
mighetto 17th Dec 2007
I can not speak of Leopard but Vista is a problem where the "Why and How" is well known.

This time last year it was clear that the Vista team had built its operating system assuming that clock speed on future processors would be faster. This was in spite of Intel and AMD begging Microsoft to use free tools that would make the operating system product really thread and take advantage of dual, quad, and more processors that are clocked slower than PCs built in early 2007.

So today we have a situation where Vista runs slower than operating system products which can take advantage of multi-processors - like Linux - and operating systems which were coded in an age of slower single processing machines - like XP.

I really enjoy this article because it can be followed up by a neat history lesson. It was not so long ago when Intel and Microsoft were collaborators - a duopoly - and the US antitrust cases Microsoft has dealt with could have been filed against Intel just as easy as they were filed against Microsoft.

But Microsoft took the heat and Intel behaved as it was expected to by US antitrust law - it began retraining its employees and behaving like a competitor rather than a duopolist and hence avoided the heat. So closer to now...

In 2007 Intel allowed Apple to use its dual processors in a product offering just as a company not operating as a collaborator with Microsoft should do and by Mid 2008 every decision maker involving Itanium, a last collaboration involving Microsoft, was removed from the company as were its collaborating wrong doers at the respective partner companies (HP was also involved). This action was the doing of ZDnet/Cnet who by fine reporting forced the US congress to obtain testimony involving secret dealings between the three companies.

If Itanium had gone forward, the Vista team's assumption that clock speed on future processors would be faster would have held true. So this "assumption" was really based on anti-competitive behavior and the belief that Intel could still operate as a collaborator and an exclusive collaborator with Microsoft.

Vista's disappointment involves Alchin, the now gone head of the project, who was also the man who doctored video tape evidence in the second US antitrust case but somehow avoided jail time. The testimony involved removing the browser from the operating sytstem product which Microsoft officers did not want to do because the competing browsers and Java enablers threatened the business model.

Visa will be salvaged. It is not impossible to rework the operating system product so it takes advantage of multiple processors. The question we should ponder is how silent was the Vista team? Was that kind of team what the US and the world needs to come up with outstanding and life bettering products? Or is that team - which likely was highly oriented not to discuss anything that might alarm Alchin and Microsoft top management - poorly constructed and full of yes-master culture of silence communicators.

Frank L. Mighetto CCP
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I can't believe
Joeman57 17th Dec 2007
you are still trying to peddle this garbage. Haven't you learned anything?
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Although I disagree with your conspiracy
alaniane@... 18th Dec 2007
theory, I do believe that multi-core processors are probably leading to some of the dissappointment. The problem is not necessarily with the OS itself although it could be, but the applications. Programming for multi-processors or multi-cores is a major pardigm shift for many if not most programmers. We probably will notice some program peformance degradation issues until desktop applications are developed specifically for multi-core processors.
However, once desktop applications start to take advantage of multi-core processing, we should see a significant performance boost.
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You're right
Michael Kelly 17th Dec 2007
The only thing we can expect out of an operating system anymore is that it keeps up with the hardware it is running. You might tweak a few things here and there, but other than that, the real software development ought to be taking place outside the OS proper. But of course with very few exceptions that's not happening either.
While my upgrades from Jaguar->Panther Panther->Tiger went without a hitch, and from what I can remember there were no major hiccups(of course I am getting old), however the Leopard upgrade while it had some interesting things (Time Machine), it caused a lot more serious issues upgrading, which I think is what has made it a less than desirable upgrade. I have not upgraded, however I am one of those wait and see how it goes before installing. A friend of mine could not wait and his systems needs some work to correct several problems.
I do not know if I will upgrade, there is not enough gain for the risk.
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the christmas that the grinch stole
sparkle farkle 17th Dec 2007
technology is out of control, especially for the masses that are not reading zdnet, cnet, or any other technical paper on a regular and ongoing basis. I am almost 50, and have been involved with electronics since the age of 12 or so along with many other aspects of computing and technology.

I have never been a video game player, but this year had a friend who was interested, and since I had just configured a nice pc with a high end graphics card, as well as a new hdtv, the stage was set to try some pc games, since it seemed redundant to pay another 400 dollars for a game console, wow, did that let me in for an education.

First the tv, which is insanely beautiful with both the pc display and hd. No one has bothered to mention that most content leaves the edges of the screen black unless you have the tv in "fathead" mode. I never realized how much most people look like the fatter version of reality. HD is just a myth, the content providers don't have any incentive to resample movies to fit the screen, upsample the content available or any other scheme. As far as I'm concerned the 40 inch screen is really a little more than 30 inches, and thank god I opted for a little larger tv or it would have wound up smaller than his 28 that it replaced. Note to self, never buy a HD tv less than 40 inches, 52 is probably a better bet so that you don't have to see the content stretched.

Next came the Vista (yes this is on topic) which while pretty, did many things that I just didn't get. It took a while to find the add/remove programs "bar" so getting rid of that crapware was all the more difficult. Shutting the thing down was, and is still an issue, since my old school friend still believes in shutting off the lights when you leave the room, and most keyboards still don't have a really clear indication of how to bring the thing out of sleep mode, so there have been many scary error messages telling me the machine was improperly shut down to bolster the image that I knew what I was doing. And of course, they really didn't give me much choice about joining the beta test group.

Then came the games and controller bits. I bought two racing games and a momo racing wheel, which worked pretty much out of the box, well one did work without fussing, the other I figured out how to configure the controller through the game. Grand theft auto, crysis, and half life 2 first person shooter games were a completely other matter. They just don't want to work too well with vista and the controller (crysis doesn't use a logitech controller at all, you HAVE to buy an xbox360 controller, if that works at all I don't know yet, since I didn't buy one) half life 2 was willing to use the controller under xp, but not vista. Grand theft is a configuration nightmare, but I should have it figured out by easter.

The point of this rant is that if I didn't have 30 years of tech experience, how long would it take to make this stuff work??? The cable box wouldn't use the HDMI cable, (the firmware still doesn't support it) Vista has wonderful features like that 45 degree thing on a tiny icon you can't find or see, and if you think you can configure PC games to work or look like a console game, I hope you have a Phd, and access to the source code for both the games and controllers (at last glance logitech still hasn't got back to me about when, if ever crysis will work with their controller). The sad fact is that this is the least working out of the box stuff I have ever bought (for anyone).

One bright note, when the stuff does finally work (it's been almost a month now) the games are beautiful, the tv's beautiful, and the people on the screen are, well, healthy.
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Just wait, most of these new gadgets haven't been unwrapped yet.

My advice (take it for what its worth). On flat-panel TVs: GET PLASMA! I could go through the specifics, but in the end they all add up to one thing: IT LOOKS BETTER! And if you do get plasma, remember you have to be careful to condition the screen for the first couple hundred hours to prevent burn-in (which is no where near as big or bad a problem as it used to be). The Samsung I got has a couple of features in Setup menu (white-screen and scroll-screen) which are great for that. And did I mention how good plasma looks?

Also, game consoles may seem redundant. But unless you either enjoy tinkering with hardware compatability with other hardware and software or want one of those (admittedly boss) new PC gaming systems, $350 on a 360 will get you where your going faster and cheaper and more headache free (also $250 on Wii or $450 on PS2 or 360Elite are good options).

Vista: released to soon, but it might have been the only way to force third-parties to write drivers and software according to MS standards (previously suggested now required to work with Windows). Still, adopting early on not powerful enough hardware (MS's fault IMO) foisted bunchs of problems on the customers along w/ the Vista specific bugs.

Leopard OSX: also released early. Fewer (considering all of the third party hardware and software that Vista has to be compatable with) but much more serious core function OS flaws. I hope both MS and Apple learn from it. Whenever possible I wait for tech to ripen before adopting.
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Vista is #1
i8thecat 17th Dec 2007
Vista is NUMBER 1 !!!! .. er.. well.. the number 1 dissapointment that is.

If you read the PC world article, you will see that the only reason that Leopard and the iPhone made the list were for petty reasons. It wasn't the iphone, it was the carrier.. ATT.. which I am not happy about either.... I wanted Sprint, or better yet, a choice. It wasn't Leopard, it was the bugs. Aparently they were elsewhere when all the past flavors of OS X were released. they all came out the door with bugs, and just like with Leopard, Apple is quickly patching them.

Vista on the other hand.. well Vista just plain sucks and it earned that number one spot. Way to go Microsponge!!!! Way to Represent !!!! Yeah... Vista is number one!!!!

ROTFLMAO!!!!
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Nice kindergarten rant!
ShadeTree 17th Dec 2007
Vista made #1 versus Leapord #8 because of market share and anticipation. This article was not a comparison of the merits of either product. Nice try at spin however!
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His responses usually fall in that category...
ItsTheBottomLine 18th Dec 2007
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YEAH GREAT POST!!!!!
NonZealot 17th Dec 2007
I totally agree with your well thought out post. YOU ROCK!!!!

I love Leopard and the iPhone. I've been going to bed with my iPhone every night since I got it but I found it a little cold and hard to snuggle with. I went onto eBay, bought a Leopard skin, and made a little furry pouch for my iPhone. Now when I snuggle my iPhone in bed, it is warm and soft. That's a fact!
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Your proving your very childish and not very
ItsTheBottomLine 18th Dec 2007
open, and a little one sided. I have a friend who upgraded, and I heard more rants from him on Leopard, than Vista (he did both). But again he didn't pay attention (like the majority I would suspect) to the hardware reqs. My Vista experience was great, can't speak for leopard, don't use it at home...but then I suspect you haven't used/installed Vista or have on a old machine.
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How embarassing ...
mdfischer 17th Dec 2007
How embarrassing for Apple in what otherwise is
their must successful OS launch ever. Just that
many more people to disappointed I guess.
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they both suck
itsgregman 17th Dec 2007
Personally Ive never owned a mac and dont think I ever will. I know a few people who have them and was never impressed. Ive had first hand experiance with vista though. Bought a brand new laptop with vista preinstalled took too long to boot and shutdown. And wouldnt allow me to install software if I wasnt online so it could check with ms before continuing with the installation. not to mention unexpected reboots and glitches galore. My laptop currently runs linux with no problems and Ive never been happier.
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Thoughts on both
pecosbill 17th Dec 2007
From my experience setting up Vista HOME BASIC for my square dance club, it's just a warmed over XP. The admin permission dialog got very old -- even after I disabled it for the majority of the setup. Seems to me MS needs to do a LOT of refinement there.

From my experience with Leopard on my MacBook, it was a disappointment that Apple didn't have a surprise feature like Jobs implied. That said, I like Leopard so much that I'm itching to put it on my Mac Pro. I'm ready to dump Photoshop Elements in favor of something else as that's the only incompatible software I have. So, excluding the bad expectations set in advance, Leo's not a disappointment in itself.
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I am doing a lot switching people from Vista to XP. So
much that I printed business cards and distributed
them to Internet Caf??s and Camera Shops.

All of them, really ALL, are buyers of laptops. Acer, HP,
Panasonic, and Sony, it does not matter. And the
conversion is a real pain because a lot of those new
laptops do not have support for XP, I mean you can't
even download the drivers from the manufacturer's
website.

I read a lot of "Vista is not bad" on news sites, but from
my point of view, from comments I receive from
switchers, and from my own experience, it really sucks.

Most of those computers are 5 to 10 times slower on
Vista than on XP because the manufactuers sell them
below of on the edge of Vista's memory requirements.

And Vista is so ackward to use than people are doing
less with it than they were doing on XP. For my part, I
can't stand it, and I don't have the interest to fight with
it because none of what has been changed makes
sense.

Anyway, continue to defend Vista, but you can't change
the lanslide: ordinary people are switching to XP. This
is going to be the biggest subject discussed over
XMass.
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Odd.
rtk 18th Dec 2007
I've done quite a few vista upgrades from XP, and no downgrades back to XP.

What you seem to be suggesting is that these lapotps you're working on are low memory systems. Rather than spending 40 bucks on another stick of ram or a readyboost capable drive, you're blowing Vista away and installing XP, even though drivers aren't readily available.

Unless you're doing this out of the "goodness" of your heart, you're overcharging for a solution you're comfortable with, yet one that costs significantly more than a simple ram upgrade and results in a less than optimal solution.

Good job.
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I went back and forth so much between XP and 3 different versions of Vista that I got dizzy. I have finally settled on Mandriva Linux and could not be happier.

Also, recently we have received a lot of calls at work (call center) about a recent Windows Update that has got peoples network drivers in complete dismay. Both XP and Vista users appear effected by generic network drivers being installed by Windows Update that do nothing but cause a complete stop to internet activity.
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I don't live in a tech world where Leopard has any relevance to me but VISTA is a poor product NOT because it took to long to arrive but because as an operating system it does NOT deliver anything compelling over XP. In fact Vista has as many if not more downsides than benefits and consumers these days are not so quick to treat the latest Windows O/S as a must have upgrade. We as consumers have matured much more than the O/S itself and we no longer rush to buy bloatware or crapware so Microsoft should take note that it's next O/S had better be stunning or it will be in danger of becoming irrelevant. In my opinion a mainframe mentality has taken over IT again and built in unwanted complexity , taken control away from the end -user (Gosh they cannot be trusted) and delivered a tech head product rather than a consumer product. PC's have to become like other home products , EASY , CONVENIENT and QUICK to use. FAILURE should be more or less impossible ( short of power issues) and RECOVERY should be absolutely a no brainer. When you get there Microsoft by all means call me again. I will probably be dead though by the time you make it. For heaven's sakes all you writers out there , have some pride and realize you don't serve anyone's best interests protecting poor code and badly designed software just because it says Microsoft or Apple on the label. If we don't like it we won't buy it and thats a FACT !!!

Ken
and it now runs well.

and with vista you have to replace almost all the software too. (signed driver bull hockey)

well i'm not ready to replace all the software i've spent years finding and learning, and buying.

M$ can take vista and put it out of our misery.

yo.

happy

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interesting.
rtk 18th Dec 2007
Based on your story, it's clear you haven't used/installed/tested Vista.

Stop getting your info from macfanboi.com and you'll gain a far greater understanding.

Example: if "all" your software is affected by "signed driver bull hockey", I'd like to know what software you're running.

Fact: Most XP software will work just fine with Vista, with the obvious exception of utility software not designed for Vista.
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...but then again I gave up on 16 bit and DOS apps a while ago.
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In seriousness
alaniane@... 18th Dec 2007
I don't think the problems are with the 16 bit apps or with DOS apps for that matter. I haven't used Vista, but one reason some maybe having problems with older apps is the new way that Vista uses memory. There was an article on CNET that showed how to turn off an option so that Vista doesn't use the new memory allocation for older apps. This seems to be a problem especially on machines running 2gb or less of memory.
Leopard, even given it's new items, the time machine and the new appearance, wasn't much different than Tiger, in the way it works. Which is great for MAC users, moreover, the extended, yet still swift turn around from Tiger to Leopard made it much easier to grasp the idea of the changes big or small. Leopard, though it has some bugs and started out with a couple issues, still holds the overall reliability that Mac users have come to expect from Apple. I don't see much of a disappointment there.
Windows users are in a completely different bracket, not saying better, just different.
The expectations of Windows users are kind of a double edged sword. We expect now only an upgraded OD, but a completely new OS every distro. Which, giving Microsoft their dues, Microsoft has managed to do (with the possible exception of Win 95 to Win 98, where it seemed as it was just an upgrade).
As a primarily Windows user, I fall into this bracket as well. We expect a "WOW," we expect it to be, for the most, a completely new experience. The downfall to that is we also expect everything we had before to work like it did before. We are sometimes blinded of the truth, that truth being that with great innovation, we must sacrifice some of the things of our past.
Some of my programs thjat worked in 98 and XP won't work in Vista. It sucks, but I have learned to accept it. As I don't particularly agree with WGA and the limited Activations, I understand why it has to be done. UAC is my least favorite part of Vista, but after using it for a while, I do actually see the benifit. Vista requires a lot more computer to run than XP, but seeings as it is newer technology, I can understand why, and accept it.
Vista isn't a disappointment either. At least as a reasonable person, I wouldn't think so.
I think they are both wonderful, for those who are willing to take the chance, and actually use them. I don't think that either are a disappointment, maybe we are the disappointments.
Something to think about.
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I don't understand
MarcB_z 18th Dec 2007
If Leopard is such a big disappointment, then why is it Apple's most successful OS X to date? Recent researchshow that a lot of Mac users are upgrading. There were some notable exceptions, but the vast majority of upgraders seem to be very happy with Leopard. According to the NPD Group research, Leopard sales are well ahead of what Tiger sales were. With "disappointments" like this, who needs "success"?

Remember, this is the same PC World that claimed that the MacBook was the fastest Vista platform there is, remember?
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Well. Now.

PC Magazine may be disappointed in Leopard. Be nice
if they were at all accurate, which they are not.

Analyst Phillip Micheals has posted the following:

"In a year that???s already seen Apple set records for
quarterly Mac sales and sell 1 million iPhones within 74
days of the device???s launch, the company appears to
have another best-seller on its hands. Initial sales
figures of the Leopard update to Mac OS X make OS X
10.5 the best launch of a Mac OS ever, according to
figures compiled by a market-research firm.

NPD Group reported Monday that dollar volume for
Leopard is up 32.8 percent over the launch of OS X
10.4 while unit volume is 20.5-percent higher than the
OS version code-named Tiger. NPD compared the first
full month of sales for the two operating systems???
November 2007 for Leopard and May 2005 for Tiger???
to reach those figures.

???It???s really stunning to see Apple have one blow-out OS
launch after another,??? Chris Swenson, NPD???s director of
software industry analysis wrote in a research note.
???Although the dollar volume growth and unit volume
growth can be partially attributed to the launch of
Leopard during November, a key month for consumer
shopping, and the rapid growth in the number of retail
stores Apple currently has ??? with every new OS
outperforming previous versions, it???s clear that Apple
has hit upon the right strategy for rolling out new
versions of its OS.???

NPD???s first-month sales data only accounts for stand-
alone copies of Mac OS X sold; it doesn???t include OS
updates bundled with new Mac hardware sales. NPD
pulled its data from 50 retailers, including brick-and-
mortar stores such as Best Buy, Office Depot, and
Target, as well as e-commerce sites like Amazon.com,
Buy.com, and NewEgg.com. The market-research firm
also used monthly data from Apple to produce its
report.

See more at MacWorld.com
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Funny Strange
MarcB_z 18th Dec 2007
The same magazine gave Leopard a very good review, saying:

Mac OS X Leopard is a sweeping update with so many new features that it's hard to keep them all in perspective. What is clear, however, is that it's a solid upgrade.

It doesn't use the word "dissappointing" even once. Go figure.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,138964/article.html
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Why does
laura.b 18th Dec 2007
Something have to not sell in order to be a disappointment. Vista has sold more copies than Leopard and is still considered a disappointment. Isn't the disappointing factor how people feel about it once they get it, the new wears off, and they actually try to use it?

I don't see how quoting sales figures proves that it's not a disappointment.
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That's the ticket!
Ole Man 18th Dec 2007
If sales figures proved anything (other than
the extremely low expectations of the
general public), everybody would be using
Windows (and Vista), and nobody would be
using anything else.

But it does assuage their ego when the Vista
enamored repeatedly quote their sales
figures, especially the imaginary ones that
Microsoft reports.
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Yes..
rtk 18th Dec 2007
Much better to listen to the rantings of a troll than anybody's sales numbers.

First, your math is flawed, nobody is claiming that "everybody" has already bought Vista, your straw man is burning.
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I returned a new vista machine after 12 hours.

It did not work... it was annoying.

It missed the man machine interface rules.

It was just too queer.

Or feminine?
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wow
rtk 18th Dec 2007
I read your message in 5 seconds.

I immediately knew.... you are in the closet.

Please don't come out on ZDNet.

Somethings are better kept at home.
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VISTA, VISTA, VISTA???????
rgeiken@... 18th Dec 2007
My earliest experience with Vista back in August of 2007 is that programs would be running and then Vista would have to shut them down. In October, things seemed to be pretty stable, and just this past week in December, I have a couple of times when neither Thunderbird or Firefox would start up. As much as I like Vista, I'm afraid it still isn't ready for PRIME TIME!!!! Since I don't have to actually turn out any work, I can limp along with the problems, but if you have to actually perform a days work, stay with Windows XP!!!!! Also, Vista Task Manager would not shut down Firefox.exe or Thunderbird.exe when I TOLD it to. I guess it just figured it was a REQUEST. Why Task Manager has so much of problem terminating a program is beyond my comprehension, when it is all too quick to implement UAC for every single thing that you want to do. If you are like me, you will disable this "Confound" aberration after a great deal of frustration!!!!! Just make sure that you have a good firewall and anti virus when you disable UAC!!!!!!
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When I read your message...
rtk 18th Dec 2007
I thought of my 80 year old grandfather, complaining that since he switched to satellite, the shows just aren't as interesting.
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I disagree with the statement that Vista was a big disappointment (not a Mac user, so don't know about that). Vista was a big shift in windows and all big shifts take time to settle down and start working the way they are supposed to. Vista is a complex piece of code and there's a big difference in beta testing and facing real world challenges, and when we talk about about something as fundamental as an OS, with a leg (necessarily) in every boat of system architecture, initial hiccups are bound to be there. MS seems to be addressing all such issues pretty well.
Why are people disappointed? Hype aside, its an OS not the software that was meant to save the world from global meltdown. Fixing of issues has rendered vista a good OS and anyone expecting more than a good OS will inevitably be disappointed.
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Definitely both a big disappointment
Deanbar 19th Dec 2007
Unfortunately it's true, with XP and OS X Tiger both been round the block awhile and
pretty much rounded off, you would have thought that with the evolution of these
systems, the next generation would be as buggy as they've turned out.

We're certainly not switching to Vista or Leopard for a long while yet. Leopard has to
be the worst OS X in the series Apple have introduced since the first version, but they
did move fast on that one to remedy the shortcomings. For me, they are trying to be
too clever with both Vista and Leopard, and it hasn't worked.
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I disagree
John Musbach 20th Dec 2007
Leopard was very successful, in fact it had a extremely high sale rate within the first weekend it went on sale. How you can say it was not successful is beyond me because while there were some initial hiccups Leopard still had a great amount of innovative new features that made the $129 price tag a real bargain. Vista however I can agree, I certainly will not pay $400 for two new features...UAC and Aero, get real Microsoft!

- John Musbach
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They both are dissappointments
rjpedigo 3rd Jan 2008
I have a macbook and a PC desktop. I upgraded my macbook to Leopard and I have to say that while I don't really have any problems with Leopard, it just doesn't seem to have any new features that I actually use. For all practical intents it's the same thing as tiger with a redisigned doc.

My desktop is almost 4 years old and still running XP nicely. For six months I owned a new HP laptop which came with a free vista upgraded. It basically downgraded performance and it took a few months of driver updates before everything worked properly. It looked nice but I'm not paying for an upgrade to look nice. Like most users's I'll "upgrade" when I eventually replace my desktop.

The irony is I actually want to buy a new desktop but the current market is keeping me from doing so. Maybe after Vista service pack 1 or even SP2 it will be time.

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