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Vista struggling? OCZ launch 8GB and 16GB upgrade kits

By | August 7, 2008, 4:48am PDT

Feel like your PC could do with a little more RAM? OCZ, the California-based memory specialist, might have the answer - 8GB and 16GB upgrade kits!

Before you whip out your wallet and hit your favorite online parts retailer, a couple of words of warning. First, you can’t just slam these modules into any system, because these modules have a density of 4GB. Before you can use these modules you’ll first need a system that’s equipped with either a P43 or P45 chipsets motherboard (such as the ASUS P5Q WS or the Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS4P). In addition to this, if you want to use the 4×4GB upgrade kit (as opposed to the 2×4GB kit) to go up to 16GB of RAM the motherboard HAS to be rated to take 16GB of RAM, something which not all P43 or P45 chipsets boards are rated to do (for example, a quick look through the specs show that the DFI LANPARTY DK P45-T2RS and the ASUS P5Q Pro only support 8GB of RAM).

Note: Even if using these kits to go up to 8GB or RAM you still need a compatible P43 or P45 chipsets boards because of the 4GB density of the modules.

Once you are tooled up with the right motherboard, next you need to have a 64-bit OS. These upgrade kits are targeted at Windows Vista users but I see no reason why they wouldn’t be applicable to 64-bit Linux distros too.

Once you have the right motherboard and OS, you’re ready for 4GB density modules!

In addition to the Vista upgrade kits, OCZ are also releasing low-latency Gold and Platinum kits.

Here are the kits available:

There’s no official word on pricing yet, but expect to pay a premium price for these kits. 

So, who needs this much RAM? Dr. Michael Schuette, vice president of technology development at OCZ, has this to say:

64-bit operating systems are becoming more mainstream and finally enable user memory to shed the 2GB limitation of 32-bit OS. Moreover, the latest multi-core systems are capable of simultaneous execution of highly complex workloads, each commanding its own virtual memory space. In that scenario, the only way of avoiding data collision without writing back to the hard disk is the migration toward super-high memory densities.

While it’s great to see 4GB density modules appearing for the desktop market, I do have to point out that we’re not at the point yet where +4GB is anywhere close to being mainstream. In fact, these kits will only be applicable to certain kinds of heavy users.

So, who’s up for 16GB of RAM?

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Vista struggling? OCZ launch 8GB and 16GB upgrade kits
Toyota Tundra 8th Aug 2008
You don't need 8gb of memory to run Vista; I have 2gb and it runs just fine; even the 64 bit version.

Vista struggling? Gee, I wish I could sell over 100 million copies of somethng, I'd like to have those kinds of struggles.

Let me see, Apple sells over 80 million iPods, a million iPhones and a several hundred thousand macs and they are a smash it? But Microsoft can only manage to sell 100 million or so copies of Vista and they are struggling? Must be that new math thing.
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Sleeper Service 7th Aug 2008
...but like you say most mobos in private usage will probably be limited to 2GB sticks for now.

Still a clear indicator of where we're going in the next few years though.
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Not the Press MS needs
croberts 7th Aug 2008
... 8 gig to run a browser or type a term-paper?

I'm not sure this is the kind of press that Microsoft is looking for.
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It isn't the press they got!
ShadeTree 7th Aug 2008
He was talking about multiple virtual machines running different workloads. That is not the same as browsing the Internet or typing a term paper. Read what he said not what you wanted to hear!
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wth ... are you taking about?
croberts 7th Aug 2008
Were did you get "multiple virtual machines"?

He SAID "..the latest multi-core systems are capable of simultaneous execution of highly complex workloads, each commanding its own virtual memory space.."

If you don't know the difference, don't bother posting.
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you misunderstand
eggmanbubbagee@... Updated - 7th Aug 2008
He is saying 8 or 16 gig is only needed by very rare power users who, among a few other things, might be running multiple virtual machines which is well known to use up a ton of Ram fast.

Quoting from his LINKED story about this point Read the last line:
"So, what?s the bottom line here? Well, it?s that there are times when breaking the 6GB barrier does offer some compelling advantages, but these are restricted to certain applications (for example, Photoshop, VMware Workstation if you run multiple virtual machines with lots of RAM).

The story title is misleading, obviously.
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My post was far ....
ShadeTree 7th Aug 2008
... more accurate then yours. Maybe if you don't know the difference you shouldn't post! Since when does browsing or typing a document constitute; "..simultaneous execution of highly complex workloads, each commanding its own virtual memory space.."? Got an answer for that, smart guy?
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Where is the "Vista struggling?"
bcarpent1228@... 7th Aug 2008
I have read your article several times but cannot find any reference to the Vista struggling. Was the title just misleading or is the article not yet finished?

MS Vista seems particularly vulnerable to memory configurations. I had OCZ Gold on my previous machine (Intel 965), upgraded to a P38 but still had reliability problems - finally downgraded to Kingston lower latency chips and Vista is now fairly stable.

I run XP and Suse on my "old" machine quite succesfully - and still cannot find any reason why Vista should be so finicky about memory.
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It was a rhetorical question.
ShadeTree 7th Aug 2008
It is meant to say "if your use of Vista is struggling because of a high workload". He did not mean to say Vista is struggling.
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Vista's Memory Picky
The-Bytemaster 7th Aug 2008
Vista uses a security mechanism that moves chunks of memory into other parts of memory somewhat randomly. The idea is that when trying to use exploits you will not know where the memory is actually at because it does not have a "normal" memory home.

This means that critical pieces of the OS could be loaded into areas of RAM that XP basically never touched.

A lot of people have found that a minor flaw in this section of RAM will allow XP to run flawlessly, but will bring Vista to its knees.

In other words, it is often faulty RAM.
Vista runs slow on a dual core computer with 4GB of RAM ... what makes you think that adding 12GB more will make any improvement.

Beside, there isn't a single (consumer grade) motherboard in the market certified for more than 8GB and there has always being the "talk" about Vista having the same problem as XP when running with more than 4GB.
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x64 Vista which can handle up to 32GB. There are motherboards capable of handling 16GB in the P45 series. Vista is not a resource hog and runs very well with 2GB. The author is talking about a multi-virtual machine environment where the more memory the better.
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and 2GBs of ram. I have XP on the same machine, any difference in performance is negligible. No Vista won't run on a P3 machine with 128 MBs of ram but XP won't run so well either.
I wonder what your talking about I've used Vista for a year+ and it was good when I first installed it and gets better with driver improvements all the time.
XP is a dinosaur, to run many programs you have to run as admin.Vista is far more secure. I've seen very few infected Vista machines but the XP machines are coming in constantly, totally hosed with so much crap half the time it can't even be cleaned, because so many users run their XP machines as admins.
Even you should realize the new ram upgrades are for 64-bit machines, I'm embarrassed for you if you didn't. And you can get consumer MBs that take 16GB of ram, but who would need it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128350
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8gb and 16gb setups
Norcross 7th Aug 2008
He's right that there are only a few things out there now that really can use this much RAM, but it's nice to see that it's available. A media center PC running HD programming, or a machine doing high-end video and photo work would really benefit.
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wrong title
eggmanbubbagee@... Updated - 7th Aug 2008
Vista doesn't NEED 8 or 16, or even 4 to avoid struggling?!!? But don't forget the unwritten law: all tech blogs about Vista MUST be about the problems. Oh, the problems!!

That 8 or 16 is for rare, rare power users is obvious. You even spell it out in the story. But the title of the story mistakenly suggests Vista is such a hog that you'll want 8 gig of ram, or 16, just to write an email! As some of the responses have already demonstrated.

Way to stay on the 'Vista sux' bandwagon. What, does every geek in the valley get a wedgee every time they get off message. I kid, sort of.

And yes, I know you often defend Vista and that your stories are fair but this title is still silly.
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Read post 3.1
AndyCee 7th Aug 2008
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RE: What? 8Gb - 16Gb for Vista...
Bozzer 7th Aug 2008
Pathetic. Why, 640k is more than enough...
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I checked "don't recommend this article" as it has nothing to due with the bogus "headline".
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You did notice ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes Updated - 7th Aug 2008
... that OCZ called two of these kits "Vista upgrades" right?
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You also noticed...
MyBlueRex 7th Aug 2008
That the first two memory kits are the same as the second two "Vista Upgrade" kits... so OCZ are just jumping on the Vista bandwagon and getting some marketing traction out of the Vista name???

Yet again, you should your "anti-Microsoft" bias and ignorance.
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Oh no they're not!
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes 7th Aug 2008
"That the first two memory kits are the same as the second two "Vista Upgrade" kits..."

Um ... they differ in latency ...
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Read Ed Bott's blog on Vista RAM
cnfrisch 7th Aug 2008
Read Ed Bott's blog on Vista RAM:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=282
You don't need 8gb of memory to run Vista; I have 2gb and it runs just fine; even the 64 bit version.

Vista struggling? Gee, I wish I could sell over 100 million copies of somethng, I'd like to have those kinds of struggles.

Let me see, Apple sells over 80 million iPods, a million iPhones and a several hundred thousand macs and they are a smash it? But Microsoft can only manage to sell 100 million or so copies of Vista and they are struggling? Must be that new math thing.

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