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Why Firefox WILL survive

By | March 23, 2011, 8:39am PDT

Summary: Yesterday I spent much of the day caught up in Firefox 4 related news. Then, somewhere between the 1 million and 3 million download mark, a funny thing happened. I saw a story pop up in my RSS feed timeline with an interesting headline: Why Internet Explorer will survive and Firefox won’t. Is Firefox toast? Does anyone care?

Yesterday I spent much of the day caught up in Firefox 4 related news. The long-awaited browser was out, and it quickly hit the 1 million downloads mark less than three hours after the official release. It was a big day for Mozilla, and it was generating a lot of Firefox related news.

Then, somewhere between the 1 million and 3 million download mark, a funny thing happened. I saw a story pop up in my RSS feed timeline with an interesting headline: Why Internet Explorer will survive and Firefox won’t. Initially I dismissed the article, but the second time it rolled past my eyes I noticed that it had been written by my colleague Ed Bott which came as a surprise to me. It’s fair to say that Ed and I disagree on a lot of things, and even when he’s disagreeing with me directly, I find Ed’s arguments to be pretty well constructed if nothing else. Now, I wouldn’t go as far as to suggest that Ed’s article yesterday was headline trolling (as Mozilla’s Director of Web Platform Chris Blizzard did), but I do think that it does contain errors (as pointed out by Mozilla VP Mike Shaver) and that it hilariously misses a key point (as noted by Mozilla’s Director of Firefox Mike Beltzner).

The reason that leads Ed to believe that Internet Explorer will survive and Firefox won’t (a point he doesn’t get to until the second to last paragraph in his post) is web apps.

So where does that leave Firefox? It doesn’t have an app ecosystem or a loyal core of developers. Extensions? Those were worth bragging about in 2005, but in 2012 the story is apps. Businesses and consumers will want to use the same browser that powers their installed apps. In the PC space, that means Google or Microsoft. It doesn’t leave room for a third player.

But Mozilla does have a plan for web applications. It’s right there in the Firefox roadmap, and Mozilla even has a page for web on Mozilla Labs for apps. Mozilla is planning on releasing Firefox 5, 6 and 7 before the end of the year, and web applications are again right there in the roadmap for Firefox 6 (along with a feature called FasterCache, OS X 10.7 ‘Lion’ support and JavaScript optimizations). Support is embryonic, but to say that it’s not there is grossly inaccurate.

So web apps are on the way.

But I’m not convinced that web apps are all that critical to the survival of Firefox. Web apps is only a small part of what people want from a browser. Speed, security, stability and ease of use are also important.

Something else that is also important to people is access to the latest web browser. Microsoft has decided that those running XP will not have access to Internet Explorer 9 and instead are stuck with IE8, or will have to look to other browsers … Opera, Safari, Chrome or Firefox.

By preventing XP users from having access to the latest Internet Explorer, Microsoft is actually pushing users to other browser … including Firefox. This means that no matter how good IE9 is, if XP users want a better browsing experience, they will have to look elsewhere. Some 55% of web browsing of web browsing is done using Windows XP, so that means that Microsoft has left an enormous number of users out in the cold. While Firefox usage stats have stagnated over the past year at around the 22% mark, but it should be remember that this still translates into some 400 million users. I expect that excluding XP users from Internet Explorer 9 will benefit Firefox and the other browser players.

Just as there’s room for more than two players in on the desktop or on mobile devices, there’s room for more than two players when it comes to browsers.

Firefox isn’t going anywhere.

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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
mnazhaf 23rd Mar 2011
Agreed with you fren
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
tkejlboom 23rd Mar 2011
@denisrs

Opera had other structural problems. Sometimes they had a pay model, sometimes not, sometimes this, sometimes that. Firefox is straightforward. Mozilla is a not for profit. It will always be free.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
Matsi66 23rd Mar 2011
@denisrs

Opera is just one example why relatively great browser can't get much users coz it's interface is not easy enough. Norwegians have really tried their best but the great thing is missing. Besides - i don't believe in proprietary software. That's why i use Linux, FF and Chromium (not Chrome).
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Firefox survives on two things
LBiege 23rd Mar 2011
#1 Google's financial live support.
#2 Solid add-on system & spell checking.

XP is really a non-factor. If IE takes care of the #2 then Firefox is about to be over.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
bobiroc 23rd Mar 2011
@LBiege

I agree. My favorite feature of FF is the spell check. I think that is why I use it as my primary browser for places like this or forum type sites and use IE for most everything else.

Anyone know of a way you can add similar spell check functionality into IE?
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
tkejlboom 23rd Mar 2011
@LBiege

While a substantial portion of Firefox's revenue is based on Google royalties, they by no means are in dire straights in direct competition with Google.

The reality is that Firefox is a creative commons project from a not for profit. Firefox's operational cost is less than Wikipedia. All of Mozilla operates on something like 10% of what Microsoft throws at MARKETING for IE. Firefox is only a part(albeit likely the larget part) of that, and Mozilla currently spends something like 5-10% of what they do take in on community GRANTS. Firefox will never die if for no other reason than it takes relatively so little to sustain. It would be like trying to kill mushrooms by blocking sunlight.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
Matsi66 23rd Mar 2011
@LBiege

Microsoft have never managed to create really creaty browser. Besides that ActiveX-nightmare will stay there until the day of Harmageddon. Believe me - Windows was never made for internet world. It's just stand-alone-computer OS. And IE is a nightmare partner of Windows.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
sandalin 23rd Mar 2011
@LBiege , do you REALLY think spell checking in a web browser is an essential feature ??
That is the kind of thing i always uncheck from install options
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
Fletchguy 23rd Mar 2011
@LBiege
When 55% of the market is not allowed to use your best product but can get a better free product that works with the os people still love then yeah its a huge problem not sure what kind of business background you have but if you build a good car with good tires but will not sell to people who want to finace only cash those left out go elsewhere and if Firefox says we will finance everyone then you lost a ton of potential customers huge problem.
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Others don't have spell check?
kidtree 23rd Mar 2011
@LBiege I've played a bit with other browsers, but use FF so much, I didn't even know that other browsers don't have spell checking.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
nacoll007 23rd Mar 2011
@LBiege really? You think XP is non factor. You are naive to think so. I am a contractor and I can tell you that some companies such ATT, BofA and so forth are still running XPs at their support centers and these are in the 100s of millions of insttalled base across the country and they are using web browsers for their online apps to support their customers. Microsoft just made a critical gamble. They thought people will just abandon XP for IE 9. What a myopic oversight.
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Right about XP
Lester Young 29th Mar 2011
@LBiege

The 55% of users figure is somewhat deceptive. Outside of China and India the XP user base is much smaller and rapidly declining. A user base that is resistant to change is not the primary interest of those developing browsers and web applications.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
Alan Smithie Updated - 23rd Mar 2011
Common sense words, I think Ed is talking out of his surname.

He waffles on about HTML5/windows shell integration with IE and we all know too well MS's ability to create route one for OS hacks with this type of approach.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
Loverock Davidson 23rd Mar 2011
Firefox will survive for the extensions alone. That and the fact that it is not made by Google.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
rikasa 23rd Mar 2011
@Loverock Davidson
But was funded by them for a time - don't forget your roots Davidson...
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
scoobbs@... 24th Mar 2011
@Loverock Davidson
?Stupidty has no limits?.
Please only take this into consideration if you think it applies to yourself.
Otherwise please go on and read ?How to make friends and influence people?.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
LP212 29th Mar 2011
@Loverock Davidson

But all my favorite add-on's don't work in 4.0
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Um... IPv6 defeats your argument
betelgeuse68 Updated - 23rd Mar 2011
The IPv4 address space will run out in the next 12 to 15 months. After a time, as IPv6 services are rolled out, those services will be unreachable by computer systems without an IPv6 stack. And you can place Windows XP into that category.

I don't agree with Ed Bott but I don't buy that Windows XP will save Firefox. Firefox will survive but longer term XP will not be part of the equation due to its lack of an IPv6 stack. This means lazy consumers and businesses will have no choice but to jettison that dated OS.

-M
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
Rick_K 23rd Mar 2011
@betelgeuse68
This means lazy consumers and businesses will have no choice but to jettison that dated OS.
But how many will stick with Microsoft?s offerings, and how many will move on to a more modern OS?
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
reclaim25 23rd Mar 2011
@Rick_K You mean Windows 7?
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
Matsi66 28th Mar 2011
@Rick_K

In 1990's it was obvious you got to buy new computer every 3 years. But since 2004-2005 computers have been good enough for ordinary users. So it's possible in 2015 there are still hundreds of millions of about 10 years old pc's working fine and owners have no real reason to buy a newer one. Of course you might have to buy some components but these are seldom very expensive.

So Microsoft needs that "new computer 3 times in decade"-hype but not most of uss.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
jbramwell 23rd Mar 2011
@betelgeuse68 Just a quick correction... Windows XP does have an IPv6 stack (ever since SP1). See: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/network/bb530961.aspx
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
MLHACK 23rd Mar 2011
@betelgeuse68

Actually this is an incorrect statement. IPv4 will still be running on routers so those services will still be reachable. IP4 and ip6 will be running together for a while.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
tkejlboom Updated - 23rd Mar 2011
@MLHACK

Yeah, and realistically speaking, most businesses are so far behind the information performance curve they'll be content to dual stack as long as they can.

The engineering plan:
Start switching to IPv6 in '00 and give up our IPv4 leases to the 3rd world as our used bits trickle down to their second hand markets. As they develop and accelerate, IPv6 for all!

The accountants plan:
If we just hold onto IPv4 equipment with a death grip and refuse to buy IPv6 equipment, we'll BE the third world and that will save us the inefficiency of shipping the used equipment to Africa!
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
Silk_z 23rd Mar 2011
@betelgeuse68

"This means lazy consumers and businesses will have no choice but to jettison that dated OS."

What make you think the reason users who don't want to waste their money on Microsft to upgrade to Vista or Windows 7 are lazy? Who gave you the right to judge? There are various reasons you are not aware of you. So stop making such a stupid comment!
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Someone is a bit touchy
LiquidLearner 23rd Mar 2011
@Silk_z

He didn't say Windows Vista or 7. He just said off XP. Which at the current rate will likely be the vast majority in another year or so. I personally recommend people get off XP as quickly as possible. If that means Linux or OS X it's still better than continuing with XP.
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Silk_z 23rd Mar 2011
@LiquidLearner

He said 'dated OS'. I don't think he meant Linux or Mac OS.
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bunkport 12th Jul
@Silk_z Actually he said 'out'dated OS and prefaced his remark with "But how many will stick with Microsoft?s offerings, and how many will move on to a more modern OS" which suggests to me that he had something other than Windows in mind.
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t_mohajir 23rd Mar 2011
@betelgeuse68 IPV6 does indeed exist for Windows XP, it is just not installed by default.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2478747
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berriend Updated - 23rd Mar 2011
@betelgeuse68 WinXP does have an IPv6 stack, I believe since SP1. I didn't see the earlier poster with the same comment.
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Fletchguy 23rd Mar 2011
@betelgeuse68
XP won't be the reason Firefox continues but at this time it will be why millions try it and get used to it as microsoft ie pushes them to firefox. p[eople are creatures of habit. people don't want to leave xp and are going as they are forced but if they can hang on to it longer and have to go try firefox due to microsofts push creatures of habit will remain firefox users as it is the best overall browser. Not to sure of the ui of FF 4.0 but if they revert back tot he user friendly 3.6 layout they will gain much ground.
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DNSB 23rd Mar 2011
@betelgeuse68

A couple of minor nits.

1. Windows XP has supported IPv6 since SP2. Not all that well IMO but a usuable stack. You can check this easily enough -- click install on the connection properties page, select Protocols and you will see Microsoft TCPIP version 6 and NWLINK IPX/SPX as options.

2. One customer I do some work for uses IPv6 for most of their internal sites but two are still using IPv4. The routers at those two sites talk IPv4 on their internal connections and IPv6 on the external side while their core router talks IPv6 on the internal side and IPv4 on the external. They don't seem to be seeing many issues either talking to internal sites or going out to the internet. Just a matter of proper configuration of the routers and no one notices. Though 6t04 is not a permanent answer, it's going to be around for quite a few years till the last IPv4 holdouts disappear.

3. DD-WRT allows you to use many common wireless routers with IPv6 via 6to4. By the time that we get to the point where the Internet is IPv6, I suspect we'll be seeing 6to4 as a common item on a home router.
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Lazy?
NickNielsen 23rd Mar 2011
Not even close. All the current XP users I know took one look at the upgrade prices for Vista and Windows 7 and said "No, thanks."
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Matsi66 28th Mar 2011
@NickNielsen

And not many of them will buy Windows 7 to have chance to use IE9. With Chrome, Opera and FF4 they actually have HTML5 option just like those with Win7/Vista and IE9. And even better HTML5-support.

I bought my son an older enterprize computer with XP SP3 and Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. He has used it one year and like it very much (both XP SP3 and Ubuntu). Many people has mentioned that XP SP3 is the best Windows ever made.
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d.marcu 23rd Mar 2011
I don't get it. I used to think that web apps were Google Docs and similar, not something browser specific.
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david08048 23rd Mar 2011
@d.marcu Agreed. I don't get the argument either.

Why does FF need apps? Won't Google's apps run on FF? Can't I search using google on FF?
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headline trolling
bates40 23rd Mar 2011
No AK,
This is what we call trolling, At least Ed came up with a point of view, which many seem to be wonder about. How is Firefox going to keep going when and if Google pulls the funding?
And yes why has firefox seemed to loose ground the last few years, Less press, less talk in public.
It does look like their ship is sinking slowly.
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lmorchard Updated - 23rd Mar 2011
@bates40 The money Google pays to Mozilla isn't charity. They're getting traffic driven to their search engine, and for that they pay. If they "pull the funding", Mozilla stops pushing valuable traffic to them. It's a business arrangement, not a donation.

Also, Google's not the only company paying for this traffic from Firefox. There are other search engines in other countries throughout the world who've signed up to do the same for their respective regions. (See also Yandex, etal)
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Still...
LiquidLearner 23rd Mar 2011
@lmorchard

How long will Google pay for the enemy? And then what will the Firefox team do? The have to provide search. I doubt Bing will be willing to pay the competitor. So that leaves no other good options here in the US, certainly none with pocket books like Google or MS.
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tkejlboom 23rd Mar 2011
@LiquidLearner

Oh dear! Sell the stock! Oh wait, they don't have any. Oh, and they don't have to pay any dividends, and oh yeah, they could stop GIVING AWAY 10% OF THEIR GROSS. It would be a bummer if the grant program went away, but Mozilla seems to be doing just fine.
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The funniest parts of Ed's story.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 23rd Mar 2011
I didn't even bother replying to his story. The more humorous portions of his post are below.

Microsoft talked about its new app platform, which is based on a simple design philosophy: write code once, target for multiple platforms.

In the history of Microsoft, have they EVER delivered a development framework that didn't constantly change? Is this not the reason IE6 is still around, absolutely ZERO portability or upgrade path? Sure, MS has had some wonderful "philisophies" in the past, they never come through. And just what are these "multiple platforms" are they varied such as 32 Bit Windows 7, 64 bit Windows 7, with only 40% rewrites required when Windows 8 comes down the pipe?

The story seems to gloss over the fact that MS already had a COMPLETE and pervasive "app platform" that 0wned 94% of the internet. It was called ActiveX. If you wanted to surf the web easily in 1998, you HAD to have IE and ActiveX. So the idea that the world broke away, finally to become free of the proprietary handcuffs over 13 years now only to jump on the IE only proprietary bandwagon on the promise of "code once and done" from MS is simply ludicrous.

A few other flaws in the ointment. It doesn't run on XP, but maybe EVERYONE will run out and buy a new computer because IE9 offers an app framework? What of Windows Phone 7. Isnt' the current version simply IE 7 with a couple of IE 8 functions kludged in? MS isn't even offering a seamless ecosystem across 2 platforms.

Oh well, you get the point. I think you are right, click baiting while posting his desires of what will happen, not what is likely to happen.

TripleII
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Rick_K 23rd Mar 2011
@TripleII
Microsoft is have a nostalgic moment. They want to control everything, and if they can get the web done in a proprietary format, then all the better. Could you imagine a world where Microsoft controlled everything? You?d have to pay a Microsoft tax just to get to work to pay your Microsoft taxes.
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bobiroc 23rd Mar 2011
@Rick_K

At one point (back 8- 15 years ago) I would mostly agree with that statement. I think that today Microsoft is releasing software that is more universally friendly with competing platforms and is actually taking the needs and wants of its current and potential new customers seriously.

I never did believe in the Microsoft Tax that some seem to feel the need to keep on mentioning. Computer makers and software sales are going to offer what consumers want and need to work with their own personal computing needs and the needs of the rest of the world. The hard fact remains is that people still want and prefer to use Windows and MS Office and both of those products are fantastic in the current versions. If that was not the case they would not be so actively pirated or desired. I feel if a person can search and use pirated software they have the ability to find and use a free alternative but they choose not to because that is not what they want. The same applies for other top used software from companies like Adobe for example.
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I12BPhil 23rd Mar 2011
@bobiroc People always have gone for Windows and PC's because they wanted computing on the cheap. Other people go with pirated software because they want to do it even cheaper. That's exactly how MS became the mainstream. Think man!
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DNSB 23rd Mar 2011
@TripleII

What Ed's article reminded me of was the Java philosophy or write once, run anywhere (or as developers rephrased it, write once, debug everywhere).
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
Cylon Centurion Updated - 23rd Mar 2011
"By preventing XP users from having access to the latest Internet Explorer, Microsoft is actually pushing users to other browser including Firefox. This means that no matter how good IE9 is, if XP users want a better browsing experience, they will have to look elsewhere. Some 55% of web browsing of web browsing is done using Windows XP, so that means that Microsoft has left an enormous number of users out in the cold. While Firefox usage stats have stagnated over the past year at around the 22% mark, but it should be remember that this still translates into some 400 million users. I expect that excluding XP users from Internet Explorer 9 will benefit Firefox and the other browser players."

By putting Windows XP users out in the cold, Microsoft has done the unthinkable and developed a top of the line browser, one that has me (Biggest IE hater in the world) going back to it, while Firefox has taken that backseat. Run the two side by side on Windows 7, and you will immediately see the difference. IE took a HUGE step forward with v9, and it will be fun to watch the rest try to play along while holding in all that legacy junk IE got rid of. All the money in the world says they can't do it.
Even running FF4 on XP and 7 side by side, you can see a difference. Think you're getting the same hardware acceleration Windows 7 users are? Nope. Try again.

*IF* IE9 had been made available to XP users anyway, all they would have gotten was an IE8 SP1. None of the toted IE9 advancements would work on XP regardless. Why make Vista/7 users suffer because of those XP holdouts? Eventually the foot has to come down sometime. Microsoft can't afford to sit still and cater to those who want to live in the past for too long. Their competitors would eventually move past them and leave Microsoft in the dust.

Do I believe Firefox is done for? No. But at the same time, Windows XP has only two and a half more years of support left anyway. Those XP hold outs can tote Firefox all they want, but will they really risk running an unsupported OS just to stick it to "the man"? Either way you look at it, XP is old, and no amount of software can save it. That includes Firefox.
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bobiroc 23rd Mar 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005

I have said the same thing about the browser versions. While Chrome and Firefox may make a browser using the same version number for older OSes it is not the same as if it was installed on a modern OS.

I have done the same tests using IE8 on XP, Vista, and 7 and even IE8 performs a hell of a lot better under Vista and even more in 7 while offering better browsing security. So the only thing that really matches is the version number and the look and feel of the browser.

I feel the same applies to Firefox and Chrome (and I am sure the other browsers too). FF4 performs much better under Windows 7 than it does on XP and I am sure it takes better advantage of the extra layers of security Windows 7 has to offer too. So once again the only thing that matches is the version number and the user interface because they may add their own security and performance enhancements but XP is an old and tired OS that cannot fully take advantage of modern hardware. I find that even computers made within the 5 years (even before Windows 7 was released) perform and operate better under Windows 7 than they ever did under XP. Same thing applies to the software (new and old) on those same computers.
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I would have agreed...
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 23rd Mar 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005
Except XP was sold and PUSHED by MS up until October of last year. That was when MS mandated that no more OEMs can no longer install XP on netbooks. Microsoft's need to keep XP on netbooks THEMSELVES for the entire release of Vista means that they made their own bed, they have to live with it. So, if you bought a netbook 5 months ago with XP, you might be dismayed that IE9 is unavailable.

Note: For the record, I have stated many times that XP should have died at the hands of a stripped down and optimized Vista basic that could run on netbooks. The most cost effective solution though was for MS to continue to push XP over the dreaded Linux.

TripleII
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
bobiroc Updated - 23rd Mar 2011
@TripleII

I think it was more that XP was sold and offered by the OEMs and not Microsoft. They extended it based on OEM and customer feedback. I agree Vista was a bit intense for a netbook but I see no reason why Win7 Starter (even Home Premium) was not the first choice. Got a couple Intel Atom netbooks floating around here and they perform great (well as good as a netbook can perform anyway) under Windows 7. Just like a more powerful PC I think even better than XP would on the same hardware.

I also would like to add that this is no different than what other OS makers like Apple does with their software. There are titles like the latest versions Safari and others that will not run on Mac OSX 10.4 which was released in 2005. Sometimes they even stop support for their own branded hardware with a new OS release.
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RE: Why Firefox WILL survive
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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