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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Why is Microsoft watering down WGA on Vista SP1?

By | December 5, 2007, 2:06am PST

Summary: Yesterday’s revelation that Microsoft would be watering down Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) in Windows Vista SP1 came as a bit of a surprise to me. Why, if WGA has been so successful in the prevention of piracy, and why if the mechanism caused so little collateral damage (both points Microsoft has been adamant about throughout) now backpedal and water down WGA?

Yesterday’s revelation that Microsoft would be watering down Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) in Windows Vista SP1 came as a bit of a surprise to me.  Why, if WGA has been so successful in the prevention of piracy, and why if the mechanism caused so little collateral damage (both points Microsoft has been adamant about throughout) now backpedal and water down WGA?

The line that Microsoft has always maintained was that WGA prevented theft, protected users from being sold illegal software and that only a tiny number of users running genuine copies of Windows were affected.  When put in those terms, WGA on Vista seemed like the perfect solution to the problem of piracy.  Now, I’ve received first hand accounts from people who were adversely affected by WGA, and it doesn’t sound pretty, but these were always put down as the exception, not the rule.  WGA worked.  Not only that, but Microsoft has spent a year perfecting and fine-tuning this anti-piracy mechanism in order to further reduce false positives.  Counterfeit rates for Vista are half that of XP.

Now, I’m not complaining about the removal of the reduced functionality mode (RFM) and non-genuine state (NGS) not because I run pirated copies, but because I firmly believed that the mechanisms were anti-consumer, but I am surprised at Microsoft’s change of heart.  After all, this now means that pirated copies of Windows will run indefinitely and the only inconvenience that users will suffer is a black desktop background and the periodic appearance of a nag screen telling them that their copy of Windows might not be legal.  Also, as an added bonus, people running pirated copies will be offered cheap licenses to encourage upgrades - prices that are well below what the retail version sells for.

So I’m rather stuck as to how to explain why Microsoft has had this change of heart.  Here are some possibilities I’ve come up with:

  • Microsoft sees current WGA policies are a major roadblock to Vista adoption - Personally, I think that performance and comparability concerns are far more widespread.
  • The collateral damage inflicted by WGA was a lot worse that had been previously reported - Given the number of reports that I’ve personally come across, this is quite likely.
  • Hackers were able to quickly defeat any anti-piracy countermeasures that Microsoft built into Vista and therefore it wasn’t worth the time/effort/money to continue the battle - The idea that there’s only so far you can go to protect software and that if someone is really determined to pirate it they eventually will could be a reason why Microsoft has chosen to water down SP1.

Still, the removal of reduced functionality mode and non-genuine state is one more reason to want SP1 and one more reason to give up on XP and make the move to Vista.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

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You missed a point...
gmureddu@... 14th Dec 2007
* Microsoft got to be the dominant OS and software company it is today much indeed thanks in part to piracy. Back in the late eighties/early nineties it wasn't uncommon for people to exchange copies of DOS, and even Win3 when it became available.

Microsoft still has a dominant position in terms of market and users (not necessarily the same), and all their anti-piracy efforts have simply shown that Vista adoption is much slower than anticipated. Even if they have non-paying users, that means that these users ratify their dominant position with sheer 'user' numbers, which doesn't necessarily mean "market", but sure enough reassures the company and more importantly (IMO) keeps it as the dominant OS and software provider... Just like "Marketing dollars".
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don't GIVE UP ON VISTA! (nt)
bmgoodman 5th Dec 2007
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Give Up On Vista
chessmen 5th Dec 2007
Vista is causing a lot of pain and giving nothing in return. Vista demands that users pay in terms of hardware, software, ram, and performance. There is no compelling reason to go to Vista; and computer performance suffers greatly for those who do. Check out this link showing Windows XP to be twice as fast as Vista:
http://www.informationweek.com/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204203975
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Up to a point ...
mwagner@... 5th Dec 2007
For certain, there is no COMPELLING reason to UPGRADE hardware to make it "Vista Ready" (meaning 2GHz+, 2GB+, 80GB+ HD, 128MB, WDDM graphics -- my specs, not their's).

Nevertheless, if you already have the hardware and are not dependent upon incompatible software, there are lots of good reasons to move to Vista. Those relate mostly to security. (Keeping viruses and spyware out and running end users without Administrator privileges are just two of those.)
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my view.
merc2dogs` 5th Dec 2007
The ONLY reason a great majority of people have to run a microsoft OS is compatability with your older apps.

One of the most frequently heard arguements against linux is program availabilty, an arguement often heard with macs, but not to the same extent

If Vista has the same drawbacks, then saddles you with WGA, DRM, a hefty hardware bill, 'sluggish' performance, AND a hefty pricetag, then why not choose an alternate OS?

When vista was still 'new' I found the same questions on vista forums that I found on linux forums, with the only exception being that the linux forums had many more answers and tons more links for drivers and alternative programs to do the same tasks as 'windows' programs, a majority of them free


Ken.
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Which may...
ju1ce 5th Dec 2007
Or may not be an issue to XP users that never had those issues to begin with.

There is no compelling reason to upgrade. The only reason I bought Vista is cause it's practically the same price as XP. So why not upgrade, otherwise I would of just stuck it out with XP.
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A compelling reason
Keywalker4God 6th Dec 2007
to upgrade is if your computer breaks as mine did. I had to go out and buy a new laptop and a cheap one quick! Of course, the only operating system I could get was Vista that would allow me to stay functional (~2G processor-dual core, ~120G hard drive, 1G RAM etc.). I sent my XP laptop off to be repaired. When my XP laptop came back I gave the Vista machine to my daughter and went back to XP (1.4GHz Processor, 40G hard drive, 512M RAM). And I'm tickled to death to be back to my XP. Of course I also have a MacBook Pro for really serious stuff (2GHz intel, 2G RAM, 120G HD, Mac OSX 10.4).
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Spoken like...
thx-1138_@... 5th Dec 2007
...someone who has never had to administer an enterprise network with 1000+ XP client workstations, 2000+ plus clients, staff and management that have been trained and accustomed to XP and associated applications over the last 5 years or so.

... ahh yes, ignorance is bliss.
I ran as a limited user on both my MacBook Pro running OSX Tiger and a desktop running Ubuntu, and found the experiences in both cases to be virtually transparent and the login screens when installing updates or new software no big deal. So I was really happy to hear that Vista was offering the same capability, and soon as I got my Vista machine I created a User Account for day-to-day use ....

...and ohmygawd, the Apple ads about Vista's intrusive security were RIGHT!!!! My Vista machine interrupts me at least one a day to check for software updates for both my HP all-in-one AND Adobe PS CS2, at least a third of the programs I install with my User account want to be installed on my Administrator account instead (and most won't work unless I install them there!), I have to pop back and forth between User and Administrator to run most system utilities - it's a bloody mess.

I upgraded my Vista PC (which came with a lot of "Vista-only" hardware) so I can downgrade it to XP SP2 after the holidays.
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I think he was trying to do a static text version of this hilarious Apple ad:

Don't Give Up on Vista Ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRAUlK8_2VE
There is a fine line between protecting your
intellectual property and punishing honest users.
WGA crossed that line.

Enough things can go wrong with PCs. Why would
anyone want an additional layer of problems?
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I resisted upgrading to Windows XP for years entirely because of WGA, yet I have never bought pirated software. For home users WGA is even more of an issue since unlike a business, home users don't automatically track which copy of Windows goes with which PC as family members may borrow media casually. That makes it appear hardware changes have occurred in the wrong license number is entered.

I don't buy new PC's ever, except laptops. I prefer to build my own family PC's and rebuild them over time by hardware upgrades until eventually everything is new, even the case. I do it because I want complete hardware control and upgrading the motherboard, CPU and memory isn't that expensive. I don't do it for laptops simply because they aren't easily upgraded.

Since building your own system also means buying the OEM software version, I have had to sharply curtail hardware upgrades under WGA for fear of doing one too many upgrades for WGA. This has cost component manufacturers sales. What is most annoying about that is the OEM version is actually much higher in cost than what the major PC manufacturer's pay.

Windows and even hard drives have never been so perfect that re-installs don't happen in real life. And, when major problems happen the re-installs on the same machine can be consecutive. I finally had to contact Microsoft for help when one of their patches crashed a system, and they were useless. They even sent me a new CD but of the standard instead of OEM version, which is valueless since my license is OEM. If not for WGA I would have simply reinstalled on a new set of motherboard, cpu and memory to eliminate potential hardware flaw problem contributions from the diagnostic issue.
Anyone who is married knows this well.
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Fortunately, in this case
frgough 5th Dec 2007
The right choice is becoming the winning choice, and the moral offense that is WGA is
going away.

If MS wants to go after pirates, cooperate with law enforcement.
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Cooperate with law enforcement
plovelace@... 5th Dec 2007
So instead of the reduced functionality mode, WGA should start a keylogger or some other tool looking for the persons address, name, location, etc and simply transmit this data to law enforcement agencies.

In all seriousness pirating is a very serious thing and any deterant Microsoft can make is beneficial. Yes, I've been guilty of running pirated software in the past. I think all geeks have. Alot of home users have as well without realizing it. I think Microsoft is offering a cheap license is because they know that if a person is pirating it, then they want it, but they don't wanna pay the big bucks for it and if it were simply a choice between using their XP or buying Vista, then they'll stick with XP.

And BTW, I still hate Windows XP activation and wish Microsoft would eliminate that. I like upgrading my mainboard.
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But wasn't it you that just had an article out complaining about bugs? Aren't the WGA "exceptions" actually a bug? Wouldn't you be giving a double standard to something that shouldn't have one?
Because its costing them money and shrinking their customer base...
I paid a lot of money for XP. I continue to be able to perform all the tasks I wish with it. I love it. What's the incentive to spend a lot more money to change? I can't understand the big deal with Vista to be honest.
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To little To late
Sheeva 5th Dec 2007
Why would I trust MS now? SP1 removes the kill switch but don't be fooled, it'll be introduced in some other fashion, time or process. This reversal in no way provides me any comfort to reinstalling Vista on my PCs. I installed, tested, it broke just about everything, had to upgrade the PC, drivers, new peripherals, and on and on and on. I will NOT be reinstalling Vista at all. One service pack is not going to change the bad taste in our mouths.
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Copy Protection & more
crypt2121 5th Dec 2007
I'm all for MSFT protecting itself but WGA is not the way to do it. I don't think it stops real pirates.

I agree that performance in low memory environments and file i/o are the most pressing problems.

One more thing though - you didn't mention startup and shutdown speed. I know lots of people like to SLEEP and HIBERNATE, but man "old timers" and home users like shutdowns. Many machines come configured to shutdown after sleeping rather than hibernate. They do need to fix that.
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Possibilities
Reiley 411 5th Dec 2007
You forgot the one that seems most likely to me.

That MS doesn't want people who refuse to pay them to go to another OS because they need Windows to stay on the forefront. If a free Linux OS gets many more users (people who don't want Vista for whatever reason) MS will be on its way out with home users.....
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Not a "Reason to Move"
donden@... 5th Dec 2007
This is not a reason to move to Vista. It is the removal of a reason NOT to move to Vista. Once enough reasons against moving are gone, then the change can be made.
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Couldn't have said it better
blarman_z 5th Dec 2007
What is the most prevalent reason even personal users are moving to Vista? They don't have any other choice. Businesses take the opposite view: they buy in bulk but demand more than eye-candy in return. Businesses treat computers. computer software, etc. as tools with which to accomplish job-related tasks. If there is a new tool out there that makes your job MORE difficult (or sometimes even impossible), you're not going to go out and blow $400 just to shoot yourself in the foot!

I'm the Director of IT for my company, and we tried Vista on two laptops. Our experience: the lack of driver support, the constant "Do you REALLY want to do that?" messages courtesy of UAC, and the need to get brand new licenses/versions for virtually any piece of software we wanted to put on it, and topped off with an aggravating user experience with the new toolbars, etc. made us realize that while we were glad we went through the pain, we were also glad we did it in a sandbox.

Our official policy right now is: NO VISTA. We'll wait at least another year before re-evaluating, but at this point, we're sticking with XP. There are NO benefits to us of moving to Vista.
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Linux adaptation and cheap notebooks?
lefty.crupps 5th Dec 2007
Could it because a non-genuine copy of Windows
refuses to work, and some people out there
might figure that they could try another OS?

Additionally, with the Asus Eee and the OLPC
laptops, Linux us making inroads at all levels
of computing, world-wide. Is it better to be
seen as the non-interoperable one, if these
preinstalls are more and more prevalent? By
making Windows essentially no-cost, it helps to
keep its dominance (monopoly) in the
marketplace, and keeps people thinking it is
the 'standard' by which other OSs must be
measured. I for one lost that thinking a long
time ago, but not everyone is even aware of
alternatives. As they become more aware, MS
needs to compete with the GPL'd Free software;
if they cannot compete on performance nor
quality, they can at least try with cost and
lock-in.
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An OS is only a means to an end.
arminw 5th Dec 2007
Techie types have the propensity to see the OS of a computer as the litmus test
common users use. Until millions of users can plug in their iPods, using iTunes to
easily download music and burn that unto a CD, it is a choice of either Windows or a
Mac. There are many other popular software functions that just don't have a Linux
version.
There is also a lot of add-on hardware, such as printers and wi-fi that doesn't work
right out of the box with Linux. Most people will NOT download stuff off the Internet,
to get their computer functional.
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Unfortunately you're right
drprodny 5th Dec 2007
I really like Ubuntu and both use it and give it on older PCs to computer newbie friends (better security and it's free!), but the lack of iTunes and wifi support, and the fact that GiMP sucks HARD, is what keeps me from embracing it wholeheartedly.
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I'm tired of being treated like a thief every "Patch Tuesday." I'm tired of having my machine probed for "proof" that I own the right to use the software (WGA). I'm tired of having to type in ridiculously long strings of characters as part of a "Product Activation" process. I'm tired of the near constant nagging from the Operating System, web browser, Office Suite and a host of other applications demanding that I prove I'm not a thief!

I understand that companies need to turn a profit or they'll go out of business. But is it necessary for Microsoft to continue to bite the hand that feeds them while the true thieves (AKA pirates) continue to proliferate?

I'm exposed to pirated copies of Windows, Office and other programs all the time, but I don't use them.

Last year I removed Windows XP and installed Linux. Best move I ever made. In addition to not having to deal with the stuff listed above, my machine is more stable, and as a result I'm more productive. I'm able to get more done in Linux than I was ever able to do with a Microsoft "solution."

Does the Linux company call me a thief? Quite the opposite. In fact, they sent me a stack of CDs for free and literally invited me to give them to my friends, which I've done.
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Just say NO to proprietary
burkhartmic 6th Dec 2007
I don't have Windows on my machine because it's a closed architecture and because of the reasons in my previous post. I also don't have an iPod. I have several MP3 players, but they're all open in that they don't require any special software. I can plug my players into any computer: Windows, Mac, Linux. They're recognized as standard USB drives... even the connector cables are industry standard.

My printers and other accessories are industry standards, and are supported under all software architectures. I decided to go this direction about a decade ago when "WinModems" hit the market (give me a modem with jumper pins, not some proprietary software configuration crap).

The only proprietary device I have is a Palm T|X. It talks to my Linux box by using J-Pilot software, but I'm still looking for a suitable replacement PDA.
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It is not either windows or mac
Keywalker4God 6th Dec 2007
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Who cares?
roger@... 5th Dec 2007
Vista is a big deal to MS but doesn't let me do anything I can't do faster with XP. Journalists like Vista because it gives them something to talk about. I'm bored with it all.
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Just say what it's really all about
Rude Union 5th Dec 2007
I agree. They know they've lost most dealers since they're not pushing it to clients. Companies are holding back since there's no added value to Vista. The initial opening sales boom is over and it isn't really selling well in comparison to previous OS's (MS BOB not included). The only real customers are OEM's and home users. All this really is doing is addressing the problem of legit customers who have been adversely effected but a false-positive. Users get angry and then word-of-mouth is that Vista isn't any good. The final nail on Vista's proverbial coffin.
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Piracy rates low on Vista? I wonder why?????
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Why bother pirating Vista?
jaybyrd 5th Dec 2007
Amen brother, tried it, don't like it, slow as heck, other than "Aero" and a bunch of eye candy, it does not offer the average users ANY benefits, especially any that are actually worth what they try to charge for it...I think we will see sales and support for XP continued to be extended over time, even US Gov agencies are avoiding allowing it on their networks...hmmm
One serious possibility is that reduced functionality mode was increasing Microsoft's support costs for Vista. I say this because of my own experience.

Here's my story. I ran into a nasty WGA bug: If you make a hardware change in your Vista PC that requires you to re-activate, and if it is *exactly* the magic 30 days after you first install and activate Vista, then Vista thinks you have not activated ever. You go into reduced functionality mode, and there is no way that you can get out of it other than by re-installing Vista. That's the conclusion Microsoft came to after two days of escalation of my problem. You see, the way Microsoft's support people fix WGA problems is by relying on the fact that in reduced functionality mode, all you can use is IE. But from IE, by putting in a URL that points at your hard disk, you can then access all your files. Micrsoft's support people then tell you to go to your Windows directory, and fix up a few files there, and they have solved your WGA issue.

But, and this is the problem, in reduced functionality mode, there is (due to another bug) no guarantee that you can even access IE. You just have to wait and hope that it appears, and sometimes (as in my case), it never is accessible.
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Be careful of stats! Piracy is down because like the pirates of old... they know how to go for the real gold. When Vista is fixed ( and I believe it will eventually migrate to a better product ) then the pirates will have something new to steal. Until then they are happy to steal XP.
WGA and the rest of the anti-piracy stuff will never work completely, just irritates the rest of us that have to deal with it to support customers that us MS products.
Wake up Microsoft, give the OS away for free and make your money with really good support and certification.
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Adrian may have hit on the right answer (in his last sentence) without realizing it. Perhaps MS watered down the odious and thoroughly despised WGA in hopes that it would induce XP users to migrate to Vista.
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When Vista alows me to record "What You Hear" I will go back to it.
Of course I want to be able to use Analog Recorder in "Microsoft Plus digital media edition" Vista won't load it.
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Yep, it's (2) and (3) NOT (1). (Note typo: "comparability" should be "compatibility".)

WGA in general is a BASHING point used by MS detractors and RFM just made the target bigger. Further, point (3) means that those who thought they were buying legitimate copies of Vista were being punished -- NOT THE PIRATES.

MS was in damage-control mode over WGA and I suspect it stopped too few pirates compared to the number of honest customers who were inconvenienced. (Should such customers be punished for doing the right thing -- not knowing they were dealing with pirates?)

It's a good move -- too bad users have to wait for SP1 to get the fix.
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I don't think so...
ju1ce 5th Dec 2007
"WGA in general is a BASHING point used by MS detractors"

It's also a point used by MS apologists to invoke disappoint in an otherwise restrictive technology that isn't helping anyone. Legit or otherwise.

Why?

What happens if the server goes down as we saw earlier this year?

As a legit user of XP and Vista, I am completely against WGA because the technology itself is faulty. It's relying solely on an internet connection to a server that may be down and/or relying on keys being put into a db which MAY be wrong and flag the wrong people as having invalid keys.

If I bought a piece of software why the hell do I need to call them if THEY flag my system as pirated? Do I have to do that with ANYTHING else in this world other than stuff that's on a computer?

I don't need to activate my vehicles, my house, my TV, my DVD player, anything I buy. It's only in the PC world that I have to answer to a "higher" power after I've bought a product.

It was never a good technology.. Good in theory but not in practical.
It's good to read about someone advocating Vista. It's the future of 90% of all computers. I look forward to putting it on my Mac. Uh oh. With virtualization software, it may reach 100%!
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First ZDNet guys complain about WGA, now they complain about less WGA. Figure out what you want and STICK TO IT!!! Magazines like this are what Microsoft builds its software to fit. If there is no consensus, then the software ends up being bloated with too many features, or over engineered to not fit anybody!
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now they complain about less WGA
Ole Man 5th Dec 2007
Nobody is complaining about less WGA (unless
it's a few of you fanboyz).

What users are complaining about is ANY KIND
of WGA, period.

Poison is not good for any diet, even if it
is measured out in small doses. The results
are always the same. Suffering, sickness,
and possibly death, eventually.
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M$ Admits Vista bad as ME
madrucke@... 5th Dec 2007
It's pretty telling when M$ takes out some of the "Protection"...

Dista so bad they can't give it away!

Found yet another app today that won't play on Dista...

BUY Small Business and get WinXP! That's what I did!

It's cheaper for me to buy a Small Business system than buy all new software!

**Maybe** Bill Gates can aford to replace *all* his software every year or two... But, I can't and won't!

Wouldn't take Dista if you gave it to me!

Won't buy a system w/out WinXP drivers avail to upgrade to WinXP.

Mike Sr.
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"M$"
ParrotHeadFL 5th Dec 2007
Haha! You used a dollar sign instead of an "S" in "MS." That's pretty clever--I've never seen that before!
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I always thought Micro$oft was the correct spelling...

One good reason M$ is backing off on WGA is it is pissing off way too many consumers who take their new Vi$ta machine home from the big box store, turn it on, and immediately flunk WGA, in the past I've bought 6 brand new copies of XPPro OEM (from a major online store that I felt is reputable), and had them flunk immediately as well, one false I might understand, but not 4 out of 6 at once. Funny thing, M$ support couldn't explain it either...

The previous poster who mentioned buying their new computer as a small business version so he could buy it with pre-installed XP rather than Vi$ta has the right idea.
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Lucky Me
ParrotHeadFL 6th Dec 2007
I've been lucky, I guess. I don't recall ever having any of these WGA problems. I work in the IT field, so I have my hands on tons of XP an Vista machines.
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Not WGA problems
Keywalker4God 6th Dec 2007
but constantly having to run stuff as administrator or tell the stupid OS that yes I really want to do what I told you to do because I have administrative rights that caused me to loathe having to use Vi$ta. And anyone who hasn't seen the dollar sign as in M$ must have been living in a box for the last ten years.
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Microsoft: Your money. Our passion.
TechExec2 5th Dec 2007
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Just a little joke, Softies... laugh
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Why reduce the effectiveness of WGA, and therefore piracy, on Vista? By "turning a blind eye" (i.e., allowing) piracy of Vista, MS will get lots more copies out into the field, and therefore, more people depending upon it. Later, with a larger installed user base, MS may decide to tighten the reins and call in the income from those pirated copies by tightening up WGA, so Vista pirates that want updates will then have to pay the Vista license fee.

The fact is that there are a LOT of people who don't want Vista. The backlash at the retail level is significant. So much so, that many retailers (e.g., Dell) quickly reverted to selling XP-preloaded systems shortly after the Vista debut. Thos backlash translates into a slow user adoption rate for Vista, and that translates into less motivation for vendors to create Vista-compatible drivers and software, and that translates into a slower user adoption rate, and so on, and so on.

Reduced WGA-tightness on Vista is a good idea for Microsoft -- If you can't get the numbers up by forcing Vista upon consumers (Vista-only new PCs), and you can't cut off the better alternative (XP is no longer available for sale), then you might as well make it easy to steal.
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Wrong tack IMNSHO
rhomp2002@... 5th Dec 2007
I think that the mere fact that the company thought something like WGA was a good idea tells me volumes about the mindset in control there. If the company leaders approved something like this in the first place, that tells me that their product is not something that I really want to deal with.

I was a fairly contented user of XP even though I had to defrag, de-spyware, de-malware, etc (you know the drill) far too frequently. It basically did all that I wanted and reasonably well. Then WGA arrived on the update scene. I had just read about it so I did not install it. Then every update that I got had the WGA included in the list and I kept not installing it. My thought was that I bought the O/S as a part of my computer and had been using the computer for a couple of years so why did I need WGA in the first place.

At that point I finally realized that the only reason that I had removed myself from automatic updating was that I wanted to keep from installing WGA and that the logic behind WGA was coloring my attitudes towards M$. I decided to try Linux using a LiveCD. I found that by using the LiveCD and Firefox, I was able to surf the internet faster than I could on XP. I am not into gaming at all. I find it totally boring. Therefore there was no compelling reason not to install Linux as a dual boot. I quickly found that I was spending almost all my time on Linux and that whenever I got onto XP I spent the first half hour or so running all the spyware, malware, defrag, etc before I ever got down to doing what I came there for. I wiped out XP and have never looked back.

Now I read about Vista and the WGA watering down and I know that I made the right decision for me to get out of M$. I think that I am not the only one who feels this way. I would wager that many are sticking with XP because they can control not having WGA installed at all and have a faster computer using fewer resources. Others like me are turning away from M$ completely. I think this is what is driving this watering down process. The problem is that M$ cannot say this because of all the hype over the wonders of WGA they tried to foist off on the users in the first place. When you couple all the problems because of any attempt to upgrade at all or the installation of certain games that trigger the WGA or necessary applications that also either won't run on Vista or trigger the WGA, then you get a picture of the enormity of the problem that M$ faces in trying to fix this mess. I wish them well as I sit there with my Linux PC but there is no way they will get me to come back now short of a divine revelation or revolution in the product line and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Kromaethius 5th Dec 2007
Yeah, no kidding, I like the WGA and how it comes down on piracy and I also feel that the full blown WGA does what it does.

I would like to see it a bit more agressive on anti-priracy myself. I am one who developes software, applications and websites professionally. I own a small (micro) IT company and I purchase legit software, not because it is just the right thing to do, but it supports the development community. I hear crap, whoops I mean rationales like, "It ain't hurting Microsoft, they make trillions...", "Everyone does it...", and "You're a fool to pay for it, I get it for free..."

Yes, I pay for every license I own, I expect others to do the same thing, and I love going to a company or home user who does not have a valid license or produce a pirated disk. Yes, I would love to see Microsoft and other companies out there come down a lot harder on piracy and illegit peddlers.

Yes, there's freeware out there, Linux has so many free solutions and operating flavors, people who do not want to pay the PC industry can grab this and have a blast sticking their thumbs up in the air -- Cool for them, and I support the rebellious zeal with these folks. Besides it forces companies like Microsoft to be more competitive, and in the long run, people like me make out like bandits.

I would like to see MS and others implement a real agressive WGA that not only sends nagging screens and not allow pirates to get additional patches, fixes, and updates, but completely disable their operating system where it is unusable enough to force people to get legit.

When I purchase the license legally, I expect to get quality support and if a low-life bottom-feeder chooses to steal the application, make the idiot pay for it.

I understand, "exceptions to the rule..." as you pointed out, but guess what, I still insist that software development companies take a stronger stand on piracy.

I also know that my feelings and opinions on this subject may be a minority, but I puchase my DVD movies, music, and data and there are some things I like to see change and because I purchase these items, I have the right to complain about it all. Those that steal and then complain, wow, are they really that ignorant?
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gmureddu@... 14th Dec 2007
* Microsoft got to be the dominant OS and software company it is today much indeed thanks in part to piracy. Back in the late eighties/early nineties it wasn't uncommon for people to exchange copies of DOS, and even Win3 when it became available.

Microsoft still has a dominant position in terms of market and users (not necessarily the same), and all their anti-piracy efforts have simply shown that Vista adoption is much slower than anticipated. Even if they have non-paying users, that means that these users ratify their dominant position with sheer 'user' numbers, which doesn't necessarily mean "market", but sure enough reassures the company and more importantly (IMO) keeps it as the dominant OS and software provider... Just like "Marketing dollars".

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