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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Windows 7 on an iPad ... seriously?

By | February 2, 2010, 5:10am PST

OK, how many of you out there are interested in running Windows 7 on an iPad?

If you’re interested, then the folks at Citrix are working on a solution for you. Sure, it’s aimed at enterprise users that currently use XenDesktop or XenApp, but it opens up the possibility of using that iPad as a Citrix receiver and get Windows 7 piped directly to the tablet. The iPad’s 9.7-inch screen makes a capable 1024×768 monitor.

I like this, if for nothing else than the ability to run an OS that lets you multitask on the iPad.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

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RE: Windows 7 on an iPad ... seriously?
tmsbrdrs 19th Jan 2011
@rtk

I see perfectly what you did there. I'll help you figure it out though.

1) You took an actual anecdote and replaced it with nonsense.
2) You waited until after I wouldn't be checking this thread, hoping that your point would go unchallenged.
3) You made yourself look like a moron.
4) You still failed to refute my point seeing as Linux .iso files tend to come with this handy little thing called an md4sum which lets you check the file integrity before doing anything else with it. Kind of like a certificate of authenticity.
If you're missing a file, it's because you didn't do your homework. If you're planning on switching operating systems, that's something you should do.
5) Windows is almost exclusively preinstalled, yet my neighbor had the same problem 4 times.
Linux is almost exclusively user installed, yet the problem you attempted to mention doesn't happen without a fairly advanced chain of events, such as installing Grub twice with two different hard drives, both of them set as bootable. Try installing windows on two separate hard drives, both set as bootable, in the same machine and see what kind of problems you come up with. Oh, don't forget to install a bootloader on each.

The problem you brought up, in every single case I'm finding, happens to fairly advanced Linux users who also have the know-how to fix the problem.
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Absolutely.
CobraA1 2nd Feb 2010
Absolutely. Desktop OSes are so much better than phone OSes.

And it's perfectly possible today - just install Windows 7 on a Tablet PC wink.
If you want to use Windows 7 on your tablet, wouldn't it be nice to have things like USB, external monitor support (does the iPad have that?), etc.? Get a Motion Computing, it's a little heavier but loads nicer.
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Why would you need that
bobiroc 2nd Feb 2010
Apple says you do not need that so it must be so. Who needs standard ports and connections and memory card slots. If you want access to anything you own you must buy the "App for that" and if they do not make one or if Apple does not approve one then you don't need it. You must have missed the memo on how Apple knows what everybody needs.
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Geek Need vs. Target Need
Graeme Woller 3rd Feb 2010
One could argue that Apple is providing for their target market quite
effectively.

Some may be disappointed that you won't be able to serve a million web
pages/day, or run the full Adobe Creative Suite 4 Master Collection from
the iPad, for instance, but look at the needs of Apple's TARGET market.
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Target Market
Red_Beard 3rd Feb 2010
Apple's main target market has been yuppies and artsy types... you know, the cool kids.

These cool kids have gotten used to being able to transfer files via bluetooth without having to think about cables... They are also used to backups. You know, something you do so you can feel like you have some control over your life when your new iPad hits the iPavement.

just a thought
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Why would you need that
Rob.sharp@... 3rd Feb 2010
LOL well put!

Hey Steve Jobs, I have a large family and need feed it and clothe it. Can you make me an APP for that? I-didn't think so!
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You did miss the memo
zdnet-gregc 3rd Feb 2010
Because there wasn't one. Nor should there have been. Apple has never claimed to know what everyone needs. They build their products, tell us all how wonderful they are, and some of us buy them.

If enough people are sufficiently disturbed by the obvious lock-in strategy here, then they won't buy an iPad. I won't be buying one anytime soon.

Apple apparently believes that providing a restricted (for now) connected media appliance rather than a general purpose computing device is a wining business proposition. Time will tell. In a world where so many users give the bulk of their internet experience to services such as Facebook, Apple might be on to something.

On the original topic: I'm only interested in a native windows installation. I'm not going to hold my breath.
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the point was kind of missed
krikus050 3rd Feb 2010
citrix is making a lightweight client to a server. That server would have all the
peripherals you would need. I think its a great idea that may make me buy a
stupid ipad or hopefully a clone.
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I'm no Jobs supporter
bmgoodman 2nd Feb 2010
I'm not a fan of Steve Jobs' "lock 'em in" mentality, but isn't the "secret sauce" of the iPad its operating system? If you plan to load Win 7 onto any tablet, aren't there better and/or cheaper alternatives to iPad? I'm just askin'....
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"lock em in"
Gov_ITSec_Geek Updated - 3rd Feb 2010
So what vendor doesn't strive for lock-in? Certainly Microsoft does!

Apple's secret sauces, there are really two, consist of superior design aesthetics and paradigm-busting user experiences. They may not be the first with new ui approaches but they package them with good designs and make them mass-market accessible, and have been doing that since they took the GUI idea from PARC and delivered it to consumers.

It's not about running Win7 or OS-X it's about how the user interacts with their cyber appliance. They'll sell a ton of iPads simply because they've got a better insight into their market than anyone else.
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Lock in?
CodeCurmudgeon 3rd Feb 2010
"So what vendor doesn't strive for lock-in? Certainly Microsoft does!"

Well, look at Canonical, just for starters.

"Microsoft delenda est!"
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Agreed
zdnet-gregc 3rd Feb 2010
"They'll sell a ton of iPads simply because they've got a better insight into their market than anyone else."

Bill Gates had that insight back in the early days too. Now, Microsoft is a company run by system programming relics from the 80's who think that massive usability studies with user focus groups is a substitute for good design sense (I'm such a relic myself, BTW).

Microsoft's primary customers are developers. Apple's primary customers are end users. IMO, they both server their primary constituencies very well. Apples and Oranges, and all that ... comparing them is pointless because they have very different business models.

None of us is a position to judge others preferences in computing equipment. Just buy what makes you happy and leave it at that.
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They will sell to...
Horus418 4th Feb 2010
To people who are daft enough not to realize they are not capable or have the application to allow them to surf the web, no flash? No multitasking, the list goes on and on.

The lock in must make Good Olde Bill wonder what he did wrong. Come on even Microshaft never locked you into the MS doctrine so tight as the liver abuser that is Jobs.

I am not an Apple hater but this business practice is bad for growth and development, also there is never a true showing of 'FUTURE' products from Apple (except the iPhone), all other products where out already, Apple just puts them in a shiny case and charges you 40-60% more to honour the precious. I never liked the iPod as I like a keyboard, not a scroll touchpad thing, and I like a 'STOP' button. I also like to replace my batteries, have expansion slots, better sound quality, doesn't break if you forget to eject from iTunes. In other words something more robust and can be used without any software what so ever. Oh! Like the Zen X-Fi.

Apple can keep doing their thing, but to any serious user of a computer they are lacking in so many ways, and are still at 10% market share just like Linux. If I was an Apple user I would seriously look into Linux and the choice of software, OS, hardware is unbeatable on a PC, much the same as Microsoft.

Take care all.
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Microsoft Lockin?
DT2 9th Feb 2010
I'm not sure where you got that idea.

I can run any app, any peripheral from any vendor that I want without asking for Steve Job's or Bill Gates' approval on my Windows PC. I can connect to any type of external screen/drive/USB device. I can move files around from/to anywhere in any way I want, whether it be by WiFi, Ethernet or direct connection. Hell, if something isn't available commercially, I can write my own and don't have to go through the crAPP store to install it.
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Two for the price of one
zdnet-gregc 3rd Feb 2010
That's the obvious benefit--the best of both worlds for the price of one piece of hardware. That's why I now own a Macbook Pro, and why I didn't own one until the switch to intel and the arrival of Boot Camp. Buying two high end laptops would be much more expensive, so I stuck with Windows PC until 4 years ago.
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Touch Screen Abilities
bobiroc Updated - 2nd Feb 2010
Will this Citrix Session allow for Multi-Touch within the Windows 7 Session since Windows 7 supports multi-touch?

I think it is an interesting idea but still think a Windows 7 tablet is highly more usable.

But hey maybe with a Citrix Connection to Windows 7 the iPad can actually Multitask and run multiple apps at the same time

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RE: Windows 7 on an iPad ... seriously?
medezark@... 2nd Feb 2010
I'll save my money and buy an Archos 9
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My thoughts
blueskip 3rd Feb 2010
exactly...
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What's the point of running Windows 7 on an underpowered processor like the iPad. Sure, I could see hacking it to run Chrome, Moblin, or especially Android, but Windows? Even with the improved resource load of Windows 7, it will bring that A4 SoC to its knees.

BTW, from what I can see it looks more like Windows 7 is actually running on another computer and the iPad is simply serving as a remote display device. That does make it easier to pull it off, but limits the speed of interactivity. Think sluggish at best, depending on connection speed.
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It's Citrix
bobiroc 2nd Feb 2010
So it will probably just be doing the screen refreshes and the Citrix Server will do the processing most likely. But it has Wireless N so I would thing being on at least a G network it should be OK.
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Same thing....
OhTheHumanity 2nd Feb 2010
As remote desktop connection. Yes it does depend on your speed, but most things nowadays can handle it and I use remote desktop every day at work to play on my home system and it works fine. Not great for crazy intereactive web pages, but I usually don't visit them over remote desktop anyway. But hey you will be able to get flash on the iPad now.
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Din't you read the post?...
Ceridan 2nd Feb 2010
it's Citrix

AKA: it will run a remote desktop machine to allow you to controle a windows 7 computer remotly...


It's clever tought... but knowing Job's church, this one will never see the approval process from Apple...
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Right on.....
OhTheHumanity 2nd Feb 2010
I forgot this will be like the iPhone. Lets see what the gatekeeper's will do about this app. I know you would like it, but the gatekeepers have to approve it.

I know don't you feel like buying the gatekeeper dinner or something for protecting you from yourself. We all love gatekeepers.
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Time for a Jail break?
zdnet-gregc 3rd Feb 2010
Let's see what the iHackers come up with. You know, the ones who hacked the original iPhone, put up an App store and, in the process, showed Apple that there might be money in them thar apps happy
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It has already been approved...
cosuna Updated - 3rd Feb 2010
Citrix's app is already available for the iPhone, as is LogMeIn Ignition.

I know you have your feelings (against) Jobs, but please don't push matters that aren't true.

BTW: To those of you "saving" on ASUS's or Acer's tablets think again. The Atom's is an immature embedded processor which runs "in order" opcodes. That translates into sluggish performance in most normal OSs (like Windows XP, Vista and 7). Only specially compiled versions (like Moblin and Ubuntu) run at adequate speeds. On the other hand, the iPad runs an already zippy OS (iPhone OS) in a faster chip (ARM Cortex 9)

Just remember: the fastest sail ship outperformed the first steam ship, but once the steam got rolling, it outpaced every sail ship made (one even sank due the amount of sails used).
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The citrix client is basically a rendering engine, and is extremely thin in it's need for and usage of CPU. Logmein (Which I use to connect to my home servers because it is far more secure than opening Firewall holes.) is similar, although I will tell you that asstated above, it doesn't do a great job rendering complex web pages. On the other hand, if you are surfing, why the heck bother with Citrix or Logmein???

Office automation, access to flash, et al., it's a nice option for multitasking. If you aren't using web-based email it's a nice to think about.
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Intel Atom can run windows 7
mgaul 4th Feb 2010
I've installed Windows 7 Ultimate on a Atom based system. The performance is good enough to do all business apps that are needed (which is where Citrix is aiming this feature at) basic web browsing (web content such a java and flash including streaming meida.) Most processors that is post P3 can do those basics. Furthermore if 7 can do so can XP. BTW there is a phone using and AMD processor to run XP. http://www.xpphone.com/en/product/specification.html
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nt
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Windows 7 on ExoPC tablet
IE9 2nd Feb 2010
This already exists.
The best offers in this category yet is the ExoPC tablet.
http://www.exopc.com/fr/exopc-slate.php

8.9 inch tablet (available with multitouch in march)
1024x600 pixels
Windows 7
Atom N270
2GB ddr2 memory
32 GB Solid State Disk
3G support
Hardware aditions not in an iPad
ethernet-interface!
3x USB!
SD/MMC Cardreader!
1,3 megapixel camera!
vga-output!
changeable batteries!

Oh wait, that ExoPC is much more than a iPad offers. It offers a full desktop OS. Something that can actually run a flash plugin if needed
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Hmm
bobiroc 2nd Feb 2010
Better deal for $599. Battery life is a little short but still not a bad little device.

I think you will see more devices like this Pop up probably in the same price point very soon. There are many vendors working on it from what I have been reading.

Apple will be first, but others will do it better and then Apple will release version 2 and make you buy it all over again just to get some of the features it should of had from the beginning.
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Apple First?
medezark@... 2nd Feb 2010
hardly, the Archos 9 has been out for a while already, running Windows 7 -- With a USB port and built in Web Cam. $549.00 with 60 Gb hard drive.
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Both options the Archos and the Expo PC
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 2nd Feb 2010
tablets require you to haul around a power-cable, and to be near an outlet. 2 - 4 hours of battery life.
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RE: 2 - 4 hours of battery life
zdnet-gregc 3rd Feb 2010
Oops. Won't sell many with those kind of battery life specs.
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Specs != User experience
techconc 2nd Feb 2010
There will always be devices out there made by
someone that look better on paper. Yet, at the
end of the day, they'll leave you with
disappointment when you compare them to many of
Apple's products. This was true with the iPod,
the iPhone and likely holds true with the iPad.
Apple understands that you don't have to be
have every bell and whistle to make a
successful product. If the iPad executes on
its core features like the iPod and iPhone do,
it will provide an overall better experience.

History has proven that forcing a desktop OS
onto a tablet or mobile phone results in
failure. Microsoft has certainly proven that
to be true. Bolting on some touch capabilities
onto Windows 7 is like putting racing wheels on
a tractor trailer. If you want to build a race
car, you start from scratch and rethink every
piece rather than just slapping on a bunch of
commodity parts. Apple demonstrated success in
bucking the trend with the iPhone this way. I
don't know if the tablet device will ever truly
become popular or not, but I do know that Apple
has a better chance at making it happen than
any Windows 7 based solution.
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Brilliant though!
mbrierley 3rd Feb 2010
A 4 hour battery life though?

It also runs Windows too. Euuch!
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It exists...
Pete "athynz" Athens 3rd Feb 2010
as a prototype... at least according to the link you posted. Not that it is not a cool device and - speaking as an iPhone owner - seems to be more useful than the iPad... but it's not in mass market yet. Hmmm, kinda like the iPad... nevermind... LOL
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And its not about technical specs.

Apple builds what is really a pretty small line of computing "appliances" with a clear brand. When they announce something new in that line, it's big news.

By comparison,the Windows hardware market is thoroughly balkanized. No one vendor commands enough mindshare to make a big splash.

If Microsoft could get behind one slate vendor and market them aggressively, things might be a bit different. But Microsoft can't do that because they need to keep a whole slew of important business partners happy. That's the downside of a software-only business model for dominating the OS market on commodity hardware.
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Y'all trying to put Stevie into an early grave?
wink
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Nah, nobody would want THAT!
ericesque 2nd Feb 2010
Of course I'm speaking with regard to have a useful iPad grin
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Really, now . . .
LadyGray 2nd Feb 2010
This is like watching a poodle walk on its hind legs, or watching Brad Pitt try to act . . . It isn't that they do it well, it is just surprising that they can do it at all.
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the number one OS on the planet - Linux!!
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@Linux All The Way
Axsimulate 2nd Feb 2010
And then you woke up.
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BA ZING! (nt)
ericesque 2nd Feb 2010
.
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Owwwwcheeee - nt
ItsTheBottomLine 3rd Feb 2010
nt
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What Distro?
bobiroc 2nd Feb 2010
There are so many to choose from. How does one ever decide?

Linux may be good for you but at barely 1% it has a long way to go before it is even the #10 OS on the planet.
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# 1 in terms of
Ron Bergundy 2nd Feb 2010
stability, security, available apps, ease of use, and the ability to modify your code!!!
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Stable & Secure I'll Agree with
bobiroc 2nd Feb 2010
the others not so much.

Windows and MacOS are both very easy to use and in many ways easier to use than the various flavors of linux.

Available apps is a joke because many of the Open Source Apps are also on Windows and even possibly MacOS but it cannot touch what applications are out there for Windows.

Modify your code. Really? Most people want to use an OS to run their programs and not rewrite the OS. Out of the 1% of users that use desktop linux maybe 5- 10% actually modify the code. So what is that, .1% of the entire world.

Linux is good for you and possibly other people too but you sound like a person that uses one or two out of the many distros of linux out there. If the linux could decide on which version was meant for consumers then maybe it would grow in usage. But even the linux user/advocate community fight over which flavor is better.
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Couldn't agree more...well said. nt
ItsTheBottomLine 3rd Feb 2010
nt
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not really
SystemVoid 2nd Feb 2010
"available apps"

Nonsense. Most, if not all, open-source
software is available for Windows as well as
Linux. Not vice-versa.

"ease of use"

Only a Linux advocate would believe that any
version of Linux is easier to use than Windows
or Mac OS.

"and the ability to modify your code!!!"

The overwhelming majority of users don't need,
or care, for this.
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@rtk

I see perfectly what you did there. I'll help you figure it out though.

1) You took an actual anecdote and replaced it with nonsense.
2) You waited until after I wouldn't be checking this thread, hoping that your point would go unchallenged.
3) You made yourself look like a moron.
4) You still failed to refute my point seeing as Linux .iso files tend to come with this handy little thing called an md4sum which lets you check the file integrity before doing anything else with it. Kind of like a certificate of authenticity.
If you're missing a file, it's because you didn't do your homework. If you're planning on switching operating systems, that's something you should do.
5) Windows is almost exclusively preinstalled, yet my neighbor had the same problem 4 times.
Linux is almost exclusively user installed, yet the problem you attempted to mention doesn't happen without a fairly advanced chain of events, such as installing Grub twice with two different hard drives, both of them set as bootable. Try installing windows on two separate hard drives, both set as bootable, in the same machine and see what kind of problems you come up with. Oh, don't forget to install a bootloader on each.

The problem you brought up, in every single case I'm finding, happens to fairly advanced Linux users who also have the know-how to fix the problem.

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