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Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down

By | August 2, 2010, 6:03am PDT

Summary: More number crunching by the good folks at NetMarketShare - Windows 7 surges past Vista, and Mac OS X loses ground for the fourth consecutive month.

More number crunching by the good folks at NetMarketShare - Windows 7 surges past Vista, and Mac OS X loses ground for the fourth consecutive month.

Windows 7 now commands 14.46% of the market usage share (up from 13.70% in June), compared to Vista’s 14.34% (down from 14.68%), the first month that 7 has had a greater usage share than Vista. XP continues to dominate with 61.87% (down from 62.43 in June).

Mac OS X usage share also dropped, down to 5.06% (from 5.16% in July). Windows continues to dominate with a 91.32% usage share, with Linux still grappling with that fist percent, at 0.93%

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
dch48 9th Aug 2010
@progon Since when has XP been around for 12 years? Twelve years ago, Windows 98 was the new kid on the block.
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Sorry, been busy with work.
nucrash 2nd Aug 2010
Next time I have some free time at home, I will be sure to drive those numbers back up for Mac OS X.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
progon 3rd Aug 2010
@nucrash (am talking slow, a mac user present..)
Microsoft windows is a full server OS. Mac people don't understand that at all. Your OS is freebsd, the worst of the unix clones out there. Linux is much better on all points of measurement than freebsd is. Freebsd is over 30 years old and has not changed a single bit in all that time. It was a yuppie OS created for university students and it has no guts and will never have guts. Linux has guts galore and finally has come real close to one percent of the over all world market and its rising shares will continue because linux os is incredibly powerful and can do both workstations and desktops with ease. It is a fully modern and powerful os that is rapidly catching up to MS.

That last is a joke. Windows is based on NT core and it was the death of all the unixes out there as well as a pretty damn good mainframe os it is also a great desktop os and that is why the shares for windows is so high. The Mac user will read the 9% not running windows as mac users but that is just the old school server crowd and MS already cleaned their clocks a long time ago and they have the 91% market share that mainframes of old had.

Windows is not now and has never been a toy os and it does both server and workstation jobs flawlessly.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
Jkirk3279 3rd Aug 2010
@progon

" finally has come real close to one percent of the over all world market"

You keep punchin' kid. You'll break 0.01 eventually, and then, "to the moon, Alice !".
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You really need to do some research
vulpine@... 3rd Aug 2010
@progon : Linux, believe it or not, now has nearly 3%, well over 1% installed base in the US and over 2% world wide. The fact that you are so behind the numbers here merely demonstrates how little you know about UNIX and Linux. Of course, as a result, your entire argument is invalidated since none of your 'facts' is anywhere near accurate.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
prof123 4th Aug 2010
@progon Yes, Windows works flawlessly and that is why I spend hours fixing and cleaning up my father's PC.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
bobiroc 5th Aug 2010
@prof123

"Yes, Windows works flawlessly and that is why I spend hours fixing and cleaning up my father's PC."

Sounds like you need to make your father a limited user on his computer because I hate to say it but if you have to spend all that time cleaning up his computer then he is doing something he should not be. Windows is not perfect just like every other piece of software on the planet but either you are exaggerating or lying because if the computer is properly used and maintained Windows works very well.
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non-biased 5th Aug 2010
@progon It was a joke, get over yourself before you start your next rant please.
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Mainframes and super computers...
olePigeon 5th Aug 2010
@progon Mainframes and super computers are two different things, but I just wanted to point out that 99% of the super computers on this planet run Linux and not Windows. Prior to Linux, nearly all of them ran UNIX.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
dch48 9th Aug 2010
@progon You're right. In the desktop world, Linux is still below 1% and struggling to even maintain that standing. Windows is the top dog for very good reasons and will remain so for a very long time.
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Whats surprising
Cylon Centurion 2nd Aug 2010
Is that XP is tanking faster than Vista is. So much for the Vista sucks movement, right?

One thing I want to know but can't see anymore is how much iOS is up or down this month, and if those that dropped off the Mac went there.
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It's not "Vista sucks"
Michael Kelly 2nd Aug 2010
@NStalnecker

It's Vista sucked. And it did out of the gate, but a fully patched Vista works fine today.

Also somebody who bought a new computer within the last 3 years is much less likely to want to replace it than someone who hasn't replaced their computer in the last 3 years.
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Recently "rediscovered" Vista
markdengler 2nd Aug 2010
@Michael Kelly
Right-on! I built a multi-boot Core2 Quad PC about 3 years ago with XP, Vista Ultimate (both 32 and 64 bit). I didn't much like Vista's GUI changes and nearly always ran the machine in XP. When XP started getting flaky, I started using Vista 32; I still didn't trust Vista 64. When I needed to use the 8GB memory installed in the box, I began to use Vista 64. Now I'm sorry I waited so long to move in. I've had no compatibility problems, the machine is plenty fast, and aside from having to remember to run certain applications as administrator, I don't understand the persistent whining about Vista. It's almost as silly as folks who seem to think Microsoft never got past the failings of Windows 95. I like Window 7 too, but the only obvious thing my Win 7 box does better is boot real fast.
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iphone numbers
banned from zdnet 2nd Aug 2010
@NStalnecker
i have some iphone numbers, but not for ipod touch or ipad:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/08/01/iphone.4.sparks.19pc.boost.in.web.share/
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Not surprising
Economister 2nd Aug 2010
@NStalnecker

If you think about it, the XP changes reflect an ongoing HW replacement cycle. A lot of HW came preloaded with XP and is now up to almost 10 years old. When the HW dies, it will be replaced by new HW with W7, OSX or Linux, and generally not Vista. XP therefore will decline more rapidly than other OSs.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
DannyO_0x98 2nd Aug 2010
@Economister
At a superficial level, yes. But, Vista is nearly four years old. Some people pick up new machines every 3 years, and unless they were on netbooks, they are going to be increasingly swapping Vista for Windows 7.

I also think, as compared to ten years ago, pcs have a longer effective life. What's the difference between corporate pc owners and private? I think a lot of XP machines in the corporate world will be decommissioned next year, but I also think that consumers will hold onto their XP computers until the day that the cost to fix exceeds the 6-700 dollars to replace.

What's the failure distribution curve for a pc? How many years does it take to hit 80% decommissioned? It isn't 3 years. 5? 7? 10?
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rengek 2nd Aug 2010
@NStalnecker
I'm not surprise by it. You have to consider that vista machines are younger than xp machines. Those XP owners have been waiting to upgrade but holding off. While the vista users haven't really reached the point where they are thinking about upgrade. The ******** users would have upgraded but the casual user probably don't want to deal with it or don't even know there is a windows 7.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
Gis Bun 2nd Aug 2010
@rengek : Most typical users heard about Windows 7. Between TV and other ads, word of mouth, etc. Problem is that they may not want to spend $100+ for an upgrade.

A good chunk of the XP users probably also have pirated copies. Win 7 is harder to pirate.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
Macintoshtoffy Updated - 3rd Aug 2010
@rengek : Most of them don't even know what Windows is - they purchase a machine, they fire up Office and that is all there is to it. If it allows them to get from (A) to (B) to (C) you tend to find that they don't care how it all happens under the hood - and some would argue why should they care? after all, they're end users who shouldn't need to worry about that stuff.

Windows Vista is a case of over promising, under delivering and having an aim for something that was too big and never deliverable. What they should have focused on was getting WDDM out the door along with accelerated GDI, maybe a few extra frameworks tidy up some stuff under the hood but sort the rest out in later editions. They won't make the same mistake again, the new guy in charge of Windows 7 development is doing an awesome job - keeping the team focused and the goals realistic rather than pie in the sky airy dreams that'll meet the light of day.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
Gis Bun 2nd Aug 2010
@NStalnecker : Errrrr. Considering the number of XP installations versus Vista, you'd expect a faster XP .

Too bad they don't split up the various Mac OSs instead. Some would be lower than Linux.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
Jkirk3279 4th Aug 2010
@Gis Bun

"Too bad they don't split up the various Mac OSs instead. Some would be lower than Linux."

OS 7 for sure.
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
DannyO_0x98 Updated - 2nd Aug 2010
@NStalnecker
Well, I went and looked at the graph. All numbers are last September to July:
XP went from 71% to 62% a 9% decline. Put another way, for every 8 XP users at the beginning of the period, 7 were still using XP at the end.

Vista went from 18.6% to 14.3%, a 4.3% decline., or for every 4 Vista users, 3 were using it at the end of the period. That would be a steeper decline than XP.

Others went from 4.5% to 5.0% during the period. That's an interesting result. Maybe those are where the mobile oses are hiding? That particular metric has been up and down during the period, but July marked it's highest percentage. November 2009 was the lowest point, at 4.41%

At the beginning of the period, among the people who used modern Windows operating systems, the breakdown was as follows: XP-78%, Vista-20%, Win7-2%. At the end of the period: XP-68%, Vista and Win7 16% each.

Windows 7 official release was at the end of October, so use in the initial period were among RC users.

Apple, which rolled out Snow Leopard at the end of August 2009, right before the period tracked, went from 3.03% to 0.77%, Leopard to SL, to 1.42% to 2.48%. Regarding share of the last two OS X releases among their users, the crossover occurred in April 2010, probably propelled by new Mac sales. At the end of the period for every 3 Leopard users there were 4 Snow Leopard users. I don't have any numbers to compare, but it seems as though there were fewer upgraders than Apple would prefer.

Disclaimer: we don't have any sense of the sample sizes in September, 2009, and July, 2010, but I suspect July would be larger and my description of trends would be accurate only if the sample sizes were the same. For instance, a drop of 71.5 to 61.8 changes if the sample size was 1.1 times larger. And it would be worse if the sample size decreased over the 10 months.
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ryanstrassburg 3rd Aug 2010
@DannyO_0x98
So the 14% of XP and VIsta users lost went to Win7?
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
progon 3rd Aug 2010
@NStalnecker
The reason for that is because all those old XP boxes have reached their usable life span of twelve years. Windows 7 will be there to power those multicore boxes when they all upgrade over the next year or two.
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dch48 9th Aug 2010
@progon Since when has XP been around for 12 years? Twelve years ago, Windows 98 was the new kid on the block.
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Jkirk3279 3rd Aug 2010
@NStalnecker

"if those that dropped off the Mac went there."

That is a logical supposition.
makes for a better headline.

Or

Each of Microsoft's top 3 operating systems have at least 3 times more users than OSX.
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No, not as good a headline
cornpie 2nd Aug 2010
@ericesque Because Windows 7 passes Vista doesn't provoke a flame war as much Windows 7 passes Mac does.

In any case the numbers are a bit of an Apples to Oranges comparison as they include IOS (which is really a different animal) as if it were a desktop OS. If they were going to do that, they would need to include Android too unless they are lumping it in with Linux which seems unlikely.

The other interesting thing is that "other" whatever that is increased it's market share by 2.5x or so.
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Jkirk3279 Updated - 3rd Aug 2010
"...Apples to Oranges comparison as they include IOS (which is really a different animal) as if it were a desktop OS. "

Technically, it's an Apples to Apples comparison. And iOS is a cut-down version of OS X. They left out networking, file sharing, etc as unnecessary.

@cornpie

" If they were going to do that, they would need to include Android too unless they are lumping it in with Linux which seems unlikely."

Android IS Linux. So it should be counted as Linux.

We should have a baseline; if a device has the ability to cut/paste and WYSIWYG, it doesn't matter what chip it runs on, it's a computer.

Of course, that would immediately add all the iPhones, iPod Touches, and iPads to the numbers for OSX and I can already hear the shouts of protest over that !
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jdcooke 2nd Aug 2010
@ericesque 5.06% x 3 = 15.18%

"Windows 7 now commands 14.46% of the market usage share (up from 13.70% in June), compared to Vista?s 14.34% (down from 14.68%"

Neither of those numbers are "at least 3 times more" than OSX. So "Windows 7 now commands 14.46% of the market usage share (up from 13.70% in June), compared to Vista?s 14.34% (down from 14.68%" would be an inaccurate headline.
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@jdcooke Yes we want to be fair and precise so we have to agree that neither Vista nor Windows 7 are "3 times more" than OSX. Windows 7 is only 2.858 times more and Vista is only 2.834 times as much. We stand corrected.
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You have to remember...
SonofaSailor Updated - 2nd Aug 2010
@cornpie

Numbers only matter, and they can only be exaggerated, when talking about iphones and ipads sold.

Otherwise, it's FUD.
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In other news
HollywoodDog 2nd Aug 2010
Toyota market share is far higher than BMW.
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But OS X is cheaper than Windows
NonZealot 2nd Aug 2010
@HollywoodDog
As we keep getting told over and over and over and over and over again, OS X is far cheaper than Windows. It should have a much higher marketshare, right? Hmm, unless all those Apple zealots who keep droning on about how cheap OS X is have been hiding a great deal of the truth? happy

Seriously though, the point wasn't that marketshare was lower for OS X than it was for Windows, the point is that marketshare is falling for OS X and rising for Windows.
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when you eliminate markets Apple doesn't compete in. Oh, like the enterprise market.

But, you already knew that.
http://www.apple.com/business/

You should also ask Apple to stop calling you a liar.
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2008/12/more_good_news.html
More Good News for Apple on the Enterprise Front

Apple does compete in the enterprise market. They just don't do it anywhere near as well as MS. happy
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cbingman 2nd Aug 2010
@NonZealot

You should have looked at the data before you posted this. According to NetMarketShare, the total for all Microsoft Windows operating systems is DOWN, not up. iPhone is up (somehow that wasn't noteworthy here) and the biggest positive change was in "other."

Go look at the data, rather than reading blogs here.
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Pete "athynz" Athens 2nd Aug 2010
@NonZealot I'm not surprised by this - Windows 7 is a superior OS to that crapware Vista and even my former favorite OS Windows XP. While I can't claim any real experience with OSX I have attempted to play with it in an Apple Store and Best Buy and I was not that impressed...
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Jkirk3279 4th Aug 2010
@NonZealot

" the point is that marketshare is falling for OS X and rising for Windows."

You poor, poor man. It only means that NET USAGE changed, not marketshare.

I remember when computers came out, Ham Radio guys started to disappear from the airwaves.

They were all playing with their computers instead of their radios.
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Woned B. Fooldagan 2nd Aug 2010
@HollywoodDog ...

Yes, and BMWs is larger than Yugo's.. Are you trying an inept automotive comparison here?
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bobiroc 2nd Aug 2010
@Woned B. Fooldagan

Yugo's? Seriously. Try to stick with a car company that is still current or at least current in the past couple years. Talk about inept.
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You ain't seen nothing yet
honeymonster 2nd Aug 2010
So far Windows 7 has mostly been a hit with consumers and small businesses. The 2/3 Windows XPs are mainly deployed by large corporations/enterprises. Once they start their upgrade cycle (soon) XP will nosedive and W7 becomes a hockey stick
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RE: Windows 7 up, Mac OS X down
kenosha77a Updated - 2nd Aug 2010
@honeymonster

I agree. But then again .. so what?

But at least Redmond has some good news to report to compliment their recently announced future slate plans.
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Windows 7 Slates will do fine
Heatlesssun Updated - 2nd Aug 2010
@kenosha7777

Some people need computers to do work and make a living, this is the segment that will buy Windows 7 slates and tablets. The iPad only sells a million units a month. Only one in fifteen Windows sales need to be a slate to match the iPad in overall numbers.

Not going to be a problem.
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Only problem is...
LTV10 2nd Aug 2010
@Heatlesssun
The only problem is you can't come up with a windoze Slate unless you've been sniffing Ballmer arm-sweat vaporware.

Gee, that is a widdle problemo, now isn't it...

lol... grin
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DonRupertBitByte 2nd Aug 2010
@honeymonster

Windows 7 is the FIRST Microsoft OS I can think of that was USEFUL. Previously, it just got the job done. The only regret I have is I probably didn't need to buy an OEM copy of "Ultimate" because "Professional" would have met my needs just fine...
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Pete "athynz" Athens 2nd Aug 2010
@DonRupertBitByte XP IMHO was very useful and a well put together OS despite it's rough beginning... but Windows 7 is a better OS.
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Hallowed are the Ori 2nd Aug 2010
The 2/3 Windows XPs are mainly deployed by large corporations/enterprises.

Yep. Ours is moving from XP to 7 next year.
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bobiroc 2nd Aug 2010
@James T. Kirk

My School District is doing it this year on many of the systems. Basically if it has a dual core processor and 2GB+ ram it is getting Windows 7. Unfortunately we still have many single core 1GB and even some computers with only 512MB ram being used as our demand for computers goes up but our budget goes down so we use the computers until they die.
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Why only dual core systems?
Wolfie2K3 2nd Aug 2010
@bobiroc
Until this past weekend, I was running Win 7 on a single core Athlon 64 3400+ with 1 GB RAM. It ran just fine for most everything - even XP Mode.

I bit the bullet and upgraded the RAM to 3 GB and a faster dual core chip (Athlon 64 X2 4200+) mainly so I could run a game I wanted to play without the feeling I was wading through molassass...

But I imagine a school district isn't going to be worried about gaming. For the basics, a single core box would run Win 7 just fine. 512 MB RAM might be a bit problematic, though. Still, RAM is fairly cheap. How much would it cost to upgrade those single core systems with a 2nd 512 MB stick?
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Re: Why only dual core systems
bobiroc Updated - 2nd Aug 2010
@Wolfie2K3

We may expand the usage down but many of our single core systems are lower end pentium 4's and while the OS ran fine in my opinion on a 2 - 2.6GHz P4 with 1GB ram I think we will evaluate that later and see if we want to expand the usage. We had a year or two where we did not get many systems and the next jump was to dual core Athlon 64's or Core2Duos with 64bit support and more and faster memory. We only have a couple hundred single core systems with 1GB ram and right now I am content to leave them run as they are generally not primary systems in the classrooms or labs. In fact some of them are just used to run old 16bit legacy apps that I would like to test a bit further under Win7 with and without XP Mode but have not yet had the time.

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