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Windows 8 leaked plans: They say an awful lot, and very little ...

By | June 29, 2010, 8:53am PDT

Summary: Those leaked Windows 8 slides say both an awful lot and very little about Microsoft’s plans for the next-generation Windows OS. There are, however, some interesting tidbits of info in them that give us an insight into Microsoft “thinking” and a few clues about what might be in Windows 8.

Those leaked Windows 8 slides say both an awful lot and very little about Microsoft’s plans for the next-generation Windows OS. There are, however, some interesting tidbits of info in them that give us an insight into Microsoft “thinking” and a few clues about what might be in Windows 8.

First question - are they real? Yes, I believe they are. I’ve seen enough Microsoft documentation (both officially released and leaked) to be confident that this stuff originated from Redmond. While someone might have gone to the trouble of cooking up a few slides containing some flame bait, I really doubt that anyone would go to the bother of creating an entire deck.

So, what’s of interest? Well, first, the roadmap is interesting because it gives us a few clues about timelines:

Bottom line, it’s very early days and the purpose of this slide deck is really to engage OEMs and get feedback. It’s not a roadmap or plan.

However, even at this early stage Microsoft is looking over its shoulder at what Apple is doing … fire up thise photocopiers!

In this next slide we see Microsoft trying to persuade OEMs that integrated cameras (like Apple already has) will become ubiquitous by the time Windows 8 hits PC … they’ll be ubiquitous because Microsoft will have persuaded OEMs to install them by saying they’ll be ubiquitous … get it?

This next slide shows us that Microsoft is thinking about form factors beyond the desktop … but sticking to fundamentals (like security!):

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Windows 8 leaked plans: They say an awful lot, and very little ...
opcom Updated - 24th Feb 2011
OK first I;m replying to a quite old topic, but that aside, M$ said: "We will help customers have a seamless experience across their personal and professional lives".
No thanks, I generally keep my personal life, well.. "personal", i.e. "private" as much as I can anyway... My professional life is public. Why would anyone want to merge those things unless it was a requirement of employment? I wonder if they mean a way to use the same computer for both? Co-mingling of EDP resources is not usually a good idea at all for most folks. What does M$ exactly mean by their statement? Whom would their advancements in this point help?
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Same as always: Copy Apple
itguy08 29th Jun 2010
Nothing new here people.
I was laughing hard when I first saw this powerpoint. For Microsoft to admit that Apple's doing it right and they're doing it wrong is about the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

I wonder what monkey boy is going to say to save his bum?
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Surprised?
Richard Flude Updated - 29th Jun 2010
Only the MS fanboy talkbackers refuse to see it.

I see the pro-MS flaggers have returned. ZDNet time to out them by showing who flagged a post.
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This will be based on Windows 7 and earlier versions of Windows. sad
@DonnieBoy So they are basing it on the most popular OS in history?
Wow, giving people what they want. What a shame.
@mdemuth

Given that people want more portable devices nowadays and that Windows is the only major OS that would need a major rewrite to accomplish such a feat, that IS a shame.
@michael kelly

How so? Windows runs just fine on portable devices...
@mdemuth

Windows didn't rise to the top because it was the best, it rose to the top because of MSs illegal business practices that lock competition out of the x86 market.
@mdemuth Except that Windows 7 isn't the most popular, from what I've seen of the opinions of my customers. People buy it because they've always used windows, don't want to spend the money it takes to buy a new Mac, and don't know what Linux is. They buy windows 7 because it's installed on the new computers they eventually have to buy anyway, and they buy it despite the fact it's based on Windows Vista, maybe the second least popular OS is all of history. (Second after Windows Millenium- remember that?) Most people I talk to, before I convince them that Win 7 will be ok, start to panic when they find out that XP really isn't available anymore.
www.dfwsupergeek.com
what they need across all form factors for Windows 7 devices, or will they have different, incompatible kernels for different form factors.
@DonnieBoy

The same is true for all operating systems. Even though Linux supports multiple architectures, it's not as if you can take binaries from x86 and use them on an Arm machine. You can take the same code source and recompile it for a different architecture at most.

The question will be whether the binaries execute the same functions (e.g. will a web browser or office suite have the same look and capabilities across architectures or not) and support the same data sets when compiled under different architectures.
makes it easier to have the same applications available across platforms.

And, using WinLib, Google could even support Windows application on Arm, with only a re-compile.
@DonnieBoy
Since when Google is the "de-facto" or the sustainer for Linux? Could you please care to explain with some genuine references.
--Ram--
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Since when did he say it was?
use_what_works_4_U 30th Jun 2010
@Rama.NET
DonnieBoy may (or may not I don't know) view Google as the "de-facto" or sustainer for Linux, but he didn't say anything of the kind. What he did do was give one specific example to illustrate his otherwise very broad point.

Critical thinking - try it, you'll like it!
@DonnieBoy your a funny little boy...don't you have a linux back alley to play in...do believe this was a Windows blog. Still funny little goof.
Sounds like Microsoft Windows 8 is going to be just as good if not better than Microsoft Windows 7. Especially now that they are branching out you can dream of a "Windows Everywhere" world. Imagine having just the one OS that syncs up all your gadgets, your laptop, PC, phone, tablet, and anything else you can think of all seemlessly because they all share the same OS. Its all about being uniform. Good for Microsoft for going into think tank mode and putting the ideas out on the table.
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You set a high standard;-)
Richard Flude 29th Jun 2010
"Sounds like Microsoft Windows 8 is going to be just as good if not better than Microsoft Windows 7"

Wow hoping for it to be as good as an OS released years before it. What expectations MS users have. Hard to shake the failed OS experiences (e.g. ME, Vista).

Here's hoping you're right.
@Richard Flude
Your right, I do have high standard that aligns with the high quality products that Microsoft produces. This is what I've come to expect from them and I know that Microsoft Windows 8 will pass that standard. What failed OS experiences? ME worked as expected. Vista worked as expected (see Mojave).
"What failed OS experiences? ME worked as expected. Vista worked as expected (see Mojave)."

Sadly I used / supported both so I don't have to refer to PR exercises. What are your expectations of an OS so I can understand "worked as expected".
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You're right
use_what_works_4_U 30th Jun 2010
@Loverock Davidson
you are absolutely right. Several folks in my family already have that with their BSD Unix-based technology. Made by Apple.
@Loverock Davidson - I don't need to imagine.... I use OS X...
@Loverock Davidson "Good for Microsoft for going into think tank mode and putting the ideas out on the table. "

Yeah, good for them ....putting Apple's ideas on their table. Just like they've done with so many other company's ideas. They buy them out, leverage them out, force them out, then take their ideas and put them on the table. That's Microsoft's "innovation" for ya!
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Touch UI
P. Douglas 29th Jun 2010
If MS can provide a UI for slates built through and through for touch, then I think that would be great. Also, if MS can make Windows 8 have the performance characteristics of the iPad (e.g. with instant on and 10 or more hours of battery life), then I guess there would be no need for a touch OS based on Windows Compact Embedded - and MS would be able to make more money from slates. I was however hoping that MS would go one step further and make a touch UI available for all PCs - including desktops. MS could promote them to some consumers, as well as small and medium sized businesses, until they catch on in general. MS would seem innovative as it drives productivity usage of touch computing - instead of appearing to follow Apple, by providing only consumption usage opportunities for touch computing.
@P. Douglas

The only way to do what you ask, as DonnieBoy hints at above, is to support more than just the x86/x64 architecture. And that's a tall order all things considered.
@P. Douglas

Not so easy. It's not quite comfortable to touch desktops, it's an ergonomic nightmare. What I think they should do is pressure the most popular 3rd party software vendors to start thinking more with touch in mind. Their UI is pretty solid when it comes to touching (I'm writing this reply with my netvertible).
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Everybody FREEZE!
Dietrich T. Schmitz, ~ Your Linux Advocate 29th Jun 2010
Traditionally, when Microsoft spoke, hinted, leaked, or even made a product announcement (vaporware) IT decision makers were forced to FREEZE their decision-making plans because of it.

NOT ANY MORE.

With Linux and other alternatives, IT are beginning to see the true benefits of not putting all your eggs in one basket.

Read: "What's wrong with Vendor Lock-in?"
http://wisdomofganesh.blogspot.com/2009/06/whats-wrong-with-vendor-lock-in.html

And judge for yourself why Linux 'is a good thing'.
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What?
Cylon Centurion Updated - 29th Jun 2010
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate ,

IT are beginning to see the true benefits of not putting all your eggs in one basket.

Do you realize what a HUGE security No-No that is?
@Dietrich T. Schmitz, Your Linux Advocate

That's "competition" - not Linux - that's a good thing.

"Advocates" like yourself, Loverock & the others here (aka people who base decisions on emotions vs business cases) would love to have us locked into your products as well... at least judging by your posts.... just another monopolist wannabe.

You hate competition as much as the others do... whereas as a business that uses IT extensively, we love it. The more real competition there is, the better it is for us.
@s_southern

Amen. A good IT Person or Department just chooses the best technology that fulfills the needs of his organization or the task at hand. But for some that is too far fetched and it is more fun to say Windows sucks and make up lies and spread FUD based off a person's personal bias or insecurity with themselves.
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More of a problem/opportunity kumbaya
terry flores 29th Jun 2010
none of the things mentioned in the deck have to do with technology improvements or general utility. "Instant On" is trying to recover an ability that many devices had before Windows became so layered and bloated. But it appears to be a pipe dream, since most electrical appliances seem to be drifting the other direction.
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Not sure the face recognition will be good.
TripleII-21189418044173169409978279405827 29th Jun 2010
Someone holds up a picture of you and they get access to the computer. If that's a highlight, we are really getting to the bottom of the barrel. No, not a slam on MS, desktops in general, there just isn't any big thing anymore to shove into them.

The slide "Trends shaping Windows 8 planning" is pure salespeak, meaning absolutely nothing, sounding impressive, which tells me this leak is utterly intentional.

"We will help customers have a seamless experience across their personal and professional lives". Very impressive, but what does that actually mean?

TripleII
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Where Is Leadership?
norgate 29th Jun 2010
Leadership is forging new paths, taking calculated risks, and being accountable to customers. I see none of that here. What I do see is the slow redistribution of Apple initiatives into a license bound for broad distribution. I see an aggressive and ongoing move to create an impostor marketplace. I see the same old complex chain of custody in place of accountability.

Apparently, it is now confirmed a "frictionless" UX add value, and consumer loyalty fills the vault. Mid 2010 and Microsoft is arriving at this conclusion. Could they have been more obtuse?
If I'm not mistaken Apple already is using OS X as it's core OS on every iDevice and Macintosh. Windows doesn't yet, though if these plans pan out it may be in the future. OS X also runs on intel, PPC (well it used to), and ARM chips.
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Webcams??
fletchoid 29th Jun 2010
Integrated Webcams?? I almost LMAO. I bought a MICROSOFT VX=3000 webcam; you know, MADE by Microsoft, and installed the MICROSOFT software and drivers, and then was told that the drivers for this device were not signed, and were probably from an unreliable source. So, Microsoft drivers blocked by Microsoft OS. Then they recommended installing the latest drivers from Microsoft. I went to the link, downloaded and installed the "latest" Microsoft drivers, but, unfortunately, the driver was not signed and approved by Microsoft, so it was blocked to protect my computer, which is running on a Microsoft OS. Using the troubleshooting function of Windows 7, I was sent to the link provided to help me solve my hardware issue, and downloaded and installed the Microsoft Windows 7 patch to fix the driver, but of course the patch was not "signed" and could possibly damage my computer, so Microsoft kindly blocked the patch, but sent me to a troubleshooting site that proposed a solution, but of course that solution was probably a piece of malware, so Microsoft kindly blocked the..... etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Integrated???? you gotta be kidding me....
@fletchoid
Maybe you have a virus... I have the same exact webcam and have had no signature problems on Vista or Win7.
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MS Should Pressure OEM's to Get Rid of Crapware
jeffk415 Updated - 29th Jun 2010
If MS wants to provide users with a more Apple-like experience, then they should pressure OEM's to dump crapware, and include restore discs. I've set up Macs and PC's, and I can truly say that the out-of-the-box Apple experience is idiot-proof, and the working desktop is only a couple of minutes away. Turning on a shiny new Windows machine is anticlimactic and frustrating--burn restore DVD's, decrapify, download 80 Windows updates, etc, before the damn thing works!
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Amen to this.
terry flores 29th Jun 2010
@jeffk415

The best suggestion I've heard all month. Crapware, snoopware and adware on purchased PCs are a blight, and companies like Acer, Dell, and HP should hang their heads in shame at the pain they put customers through, just to make a few extra bucks on each machine.
Yes, but what about Windows 9??? That's going to be as good as OSX Tiger, apparently
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Removing security with Facial Recognition
keebaud@... 30th Jun 2010
Step 1: Take picture of victim with camera
Step 2: Wave camera in front of computer
Frictionless access is granted. If my phone's screen can fool the retina it can certainly fool a webcam.
"Windows 7 isn?t fast enough when it comes to boot up ? here Microsoft is touting PCs that come on almost instantly"

Pure and utter bullcrap! It takes less than a minute and if you need it faster than that, then it would already be on. Nothing you do in your life needs PC access in less time than that, to say otherwise is just nonsense.
@LeeC
My cold-boot time in Win7 is 23 seconds, my warm-boot (from sleep) time is less than 5 seconds; it actually takes my TV a little longer to warm up than Windows to cold-boot. Not sure where the BS is here, what is so wrong with faster cold-boot times?
Personally I like the facial recognition, pretty neat. That is innovative if you ask me. Now wouldn't it be cool if you could find someone on Messenger simply by flashing a picture of them, also cool... Depends on how paranoid you are I guess.

This looks like MS is simply doing what it does, innovating technologies for the next generation Operating System. This appears to be an intentional leak of sorts to get some public feedback... Seems to be working.
OK first I;m replying to a quite old topic, but that aside, M$ said: "We will help customers have a seamless experience across their personal and professional lives".
No thanks, I generally keep my personal life, well.. "personal", i.e. "private" as much as I can anyway... My professional life is public. Why would anyone want to merge those things unless it was a requirement of employment? I wonder if they mean a way to use the same computer for both? Co-mingling of EDP resources is not usually a good idea at all for most folks. What does M$ exactly mean by their statement? Whom would their advancements in this point help?

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