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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' Copy/Paste 'difficult and fiddly to use'

By | March 14, 2011, 5:50am PDT

Holding your breath, eagerly waiting for the Windows Phone 7 ‘NoDo’ update to bring you the ability to copy and paste onto your handset? An early review by Tom Warren of WinRumors suggests that it might not be as good as people hope.

Warren says that Microsoft’s implementation of copy and paste ‘does the job’ but adds that it is ‘difficult and fiddly to use’ and that he has ‘troubles getting the copy dialog box to surface on multiple occasions.’ He also points out that while images are selectable, they cannot be copied. In conclusion he says that ‘copy and paste feels rushed and like an afterthought from Microsoft, it could be a lot better.’

On a better note, Warren notes that resuming applications is faster following the ‘NoDo’ update, and that the Marketplace search improvements make it easier to find the right apps.

Microsoft has confirmed that the Windows Phone 7 ‘NoDo’ update will be available in the week of March 21.

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Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Adrian Kingsley-Hughes is an internationally published technology author who has devoted over a decade to helping users get the most from technology -- whether that be by learning to program, building a PC from a pile of parts, or helping them get the most from their new MP3 player or digital camera.

Adrian has authored/co-authored technical books on a variety of topics, ranging from programming to building and maintaining PCs. His most recent books include "Build the Ultimate Custom PC", "Beginning Programming" and "The PC Doctor's Fix It Yourself Guide". He has also written training manuals that have been used by a number of Fortune 500 companies.

Adrian also runs a popular blog under the name The PC Doctor, where he covers a range of computer-related topics -- from security to repairing and upgrading.

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RE: Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' Copy/Paste 'difficult and fiddly to use'
upinson 11th Oct
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It's easier than the Android way
AdamzP 14th Mar 2011
in that it's actually possible to select content in the web browser. Also, WP7's way seems more discoverable than the iPhone method.
@AdamzP

I agree. Even the iPhone seems a little odd when trying to do the initial selection, maybe the problem for both phones is fat fingers not programming or screen/touch issues! -
@COMMO25U
Its more like users that have had too much coffee and tap rather than hold down over a word for a second.

When in doubt, read the instructions before use.
@COMMO25U
JABBER_WOLF
INSTRUCTIONS? If I have to read how to do something as simple as cut and paste, I will use my siscors.
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You can select content in Android...
DevJonny Updated - 14th Mar 2011
@AdamzP ....you just long press on the word, then move the selectors if you want to select a group of words, sentence, paragraph, page etc. Then select copy! Easy!

~~ EDIT ~~

After watching the video it seems that the WP7 way of Copy is the same as Android, except on Android you press & hold for slightly longer. So I don't understand your comment about Android!
@AdamzP : did anybody expect something else than a negative review by Apple blogger Adrian H-K?
@nomorebs

If you had actually read the article, you'd see that it's merely a link and a recap of a review. Adrian didn't review it.
@nomorebs
So let me guess, if it?s not gushing with excitement over a Microsoft product, then they must be an Apple fanboi? The video here seems to also be as laggy and wonky as the other one posted a while back. So maybe the assessment is accurate? Or does it hurt your pride no to have everyone sing the praises of Windows?
@Rick_K

No, but there is a difference between "not gushing" and trawling around the web to pick up any possible negative thing and blog about it which this sort of feels like.

You'll notice, under the huge negative headline and the multiple paragraphs about copy/paste that he has a little blurb about the marketplace improvements and cutting resume times in half. A very Fox News sort of Fair and Balanced.
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RE: Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' Copy/Paste 'difficult and fiddly to use'
Pete "athynz" Athens Updated - 14th Mar 2011
@nomorebs Adrian a prop Apple blogger?!?!?!? Really? You must not get out very much... unless you are one of those died in the wool frothing at the mouth Microsoft fanbois who call everyone who even slightly criticizes any MS product an Apple fanboi... which is rather likely.
@SlithyTove
Question is, do you say the same when something similar is done using other products? You now like for instance when the Xoom has problems? Or when they need blog hits and put out snipe blogs on say an Apple product?
@Rick_K Since you hate Microsoft so much and love Apple so much, why don't you go take your maxipad and go play some checkers on it.
@AdamzP Not sure what you mean, I can select content in both the default web browser and skyfire.
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Exactly! Same goes for Dolphin HD!
DevJonny 14th Mar 2011
@Socratesfoot

I don't know what he means either.
@AdamzP I can only speak to a the BlackBerry way and it is very hard to select the correct text. Also, very hard just locate the cursor where you want it. It sounds like that is not an issue on WP7.
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siscors?
levinson 14th Mar 2011
@ davidmpaul: "If I have to read how to do something as simple as cut and paste, I will use my siscors." Looks like you forgot to read the part of the manual that covered spell-checking!
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@AdamzP So you are saying that it is hard to touch the screen and wait for a second for the copy/paste menu to show up and then move one's finger over the text to be selected? Really?
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Encryption
COMMO25U 14th Mar 2011
Really... no Encryption yet? Come on MS - your holding up deployment for many businesses due to the phone not having an encryption option!
@COMMO25U

I dont see how??
Almost all businesses are using exchange and Https connections. If you are using imap, the IT admin should be dragged out in the streets and shot.

But I DO wonder where the wifi ( attaching to networks not visible) function is.
@JABBER_WOLF

I almost spit up my chocolate milk after reading this. So true.
@JABBER_WOLF

Yea exchange and https is great for the email - but what about the rest of the data on the phone itself!

As for non visible wifi - didn't MS themselves say they recommend NOT hiding your ssid? if so - I would not expect them to implement this option at all.
@COMMO25U That's because it's not a business device. WP7 is an add-on peripheral for your XBOX, little more.
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Hit the wrong reply....
DevJonny Updated - 14th Mar 2011
...

happy
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And again this is Adrian
JABBER_WOLF 14th Mar 2011
He hasnt even touched the WP7 in any article I've seen.
Hes only selectively written badly about it though nit picking what others have done.
@JABBER_WOLF

You don't have to handle a turd to know it's a turd.
@Alan Smithie
If you're paid to, yes, you do.
And if you have a vested interest in another turd in your pocket that you need to keep convincing youlf that it isnt, you shouldnt be hired to write blogs.
@Alan Smithie Agreed, crap is crap..and WP7 is the top of the turd heap.
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That's how the doctor described you
Will Farrell 14th Mar 2011
@Alan Smithie
to your parents at birth, so you should know!
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You're a nobody, Brick
Will Farrell 14th Mar 2011
@Brick Tamland..

All you have is an iPhone 4, the iPhone 5 will be out in a few months. You are such a nobody, as cool people will be sporting an iPhone 5, the has-beens will be the ones with the iPhone 4. Get with the program!

You are so lame.
@Alan Smithie
Now that was truly funny. I sure would hope someone would be able to determine what a turd is, with having to actually handle it.
Who would be stupid enough to buy a windows phone?
And when did the wheels come off for Microsoft?
I was "stupid enough" to buy a WP7. Best phone I ever had!
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Alan Smithie Updated - 14th Mar 2011
@mpietrorazio@... When I was 5 I bought an etch a sketch too, was the greatest thing ever.

Then I discovered Magnadoodle.
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Then downgraded to the iPhone?
Will Farrell 14th Mar 2011
@Brick Tamland..

"@Steve Carell" has a good ring to it, don't you think?
@Brick Tamland..
How did your DST change work out for you on your Magnadoodle? Better than the iPhone I hope.
Desperate for something to post today Adrian?
yes, ZDNET writers are trying to copy the style of Edgadget and Gizmodo Apple lovers. They want to entice Apple lovers and Microsoft haters to their site. Poor Adrian Kingsley-Hughes.

ZDNET, Please dont go down to the level of Engadget and Gizmodo.
@iluvmsft...Agreed. Adrian H-K and James Kendrick are definitely vying for the vacated positions over at Engadget.
I'm willing to bet this is more of an issue with fat fingered end-users. I highly doubt they would have taken this much time to churn out a copy/paste function that doesn't work.
Trolling to complain about Windows, doesn't take alot of effort to find issues there. Windows had it's time in the spotlight and took advantage of an almost, hey wait a minute truly, monopoly situation. Their answer to making so much money was to ignore the very customers that gave them the world. HOW COULD MS FORGET COPY AND PASTE? You blame the user for it's quirky operation, yeah go MS lover? How quaint, a terrible system is the users' fault ,,yeah ... I doubt I'll ever own another MS anything, Period
@bfriskey

Good, bye don't come back - enjoy your Crapple
Maybe it's fiddly to use because it's supposed to be a tap and hold feature like on the iphone. I've seen this used in other videos and everyone else uses the tap and hold and it works fine.
and, of course, Into Mobile says it works well.

"As you would expect, the Windows Phone 7 NoDo copy and paste works well ? Android and iOS copy and paste requires a contextual menu but the Microsoft version offers a more minimalistic interface. It works well, really."
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...I have to say that I feel the iPhone implementation of Copy & Paste is better, for instance:

1) A 'hold' over text gets you a 'Select/Select All' option on the iPhone - where is 'Select All' in WP7?
2) Having pressed 'Select' I can now move the selection by character rather than by whole words - only whole words is possible in WP7...ok, that might cover most scenarios, but it doesn't cover them all, why the limitation?
3) Once I've finished selecting my text I'm then presented with the option to Cut, Copy or Replace - Only Copy is available in WP7.
4) According to the WP7 Copy & Paste help on the Microsoft site "the data in the paste buffer remains available for re-pasting (via the Suggestion Bar) until you copy something else or the phone goes into standby" - not on my Omnia 7 it doesn't...it's once and once only.
5) Copy & Paste functionality is not universally implemented across Apps..want an example? Type a message to Send to a Friend in the XBox Live Application, hold your finger over the word you want to select, it duly highlights but no Copy button appears...so how the hell do you copy the text? Looks like Copy & Paste is half implemented in that App.

This isn't to Dis' Microsoft or the Dev Team, this is just an objective assesment of where we are with a feature that should've been in the initial release that we've had to wait 5 not 3 months for and that after a rather wobbly earlier update process.

Microsoft are hardly covering themselves with glory here. This is their flagship phone platform, they're coming from behind and they've a lot of ground to cover if they are really going to establish themselves in this marketplace...and they are not going to succeed, Nokia deal or not, if this is the quality and delivery rate we can expect.

I want them to succeed big time. Though I use Apple stuff I am no Apple FanBoy - I recently got burnt by their NVidia problem on my MacBook Pro and that little fiasco took six months to resolve and nearly cost me $1500. In fact I'm actually a developer of Enterprise Apps on the Microsoft .NET platform and I want WP7 to work because it gives me a mobile device platform that my .NET skills are already applicable to, rather than having to go back a decade into the land of Objective-C and a strangely disconnected development toolset.

So come on guys, step up and show us what this thing can really do!

p.s. The performance improvements are both noticeable and appreciated...more of this please happy

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