Windows phone 7 'phantom data' down to 'third party' service

Summary: Reports started emerging a few weeks ago which suggested that Windows Phone 7 handsets are suffering from a bug where data was being sent and received over 3G even when a WiFi connection is available.

Reports started emerging a few weeks ago which suggested that Windows Phone 7 handsets are suffering from a bug where data was being sent and received over 3G even when a WiFi connection is available

Some users are reporting that simply having the handset check for email every 15 minutes uses a whopping 3 - 5MB of data per hour!

Microsoft has now investigated this issue and says that it's down to a "third party" service and that the company is "in contact with the third party to assist them in making the necessary fixes." Microsoft is however still looking into other potential faults.

Several insiders who wish to remain anonymous have told me that one Windows Phone 7 blamed for phantom data usage is the Yahoo! Mail service. There's no official word on this from either Microsoft or Yahoo! at the time of writing.

Topics: Software, Hardware, Microsoft, Mobility, Operating Systems, Windows

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  • It didn't make sense that this was part of WP7

    There were simply too few reports of this happening for it to be something in the OS.

    Anyone who blamed MS for this is looking very, very, very stupid right now.
    NonZealot
    • Just like that, it's not Micorsoft's fault?

      @NonZealot Check the [i]ars technica[/i] article. If it is indeed Yahoo mail, Microsoft isn't necessarily in the clear. WP7 treats Y!Mail differently than POP or IMAP mail services, so this could still very well be a WP7 problem. In fact, if MS was totally blameless here would they be working with the vendor on a "work-around?" Maybe, maybe not, but the point is until there's a lot more transparency (something very much lacking from Microsoft regarding WP7) we don't know.
      matthew_maurice
      • Um, because MS cares about their consumers?

        @matthew_maurice
        [i]In fact, if MS was totally blameless here would they be working with the vendor on a "work-around?" [/i]

        Because real WP7 consumers are being affected by this? Although the fact that you ask is very interesting because it means that you don't expect the companies that make your products to try and make your experience a positive one, even when a negative experience isn't their fault. This is hardly surprising since you are an Apple zealot and Apple's MO is to [b]DENY DENY DENY[/b] until the very end. MS's MO here is to acknowledge there is a problem, investigate the cause of the problem, and, in this case, work with the 3rd party supplier responsible for the problem so that the consumer no longer has to suffer from this problem. That is how a company should react. Apple could learn a lot from MS.
        NonZealot
      • RE: Windows phone 7 'phantom data' down to 'third party' service

        @matthew_maurice - of course MS would be working with the vendor for a work-a-round. That is what a company does to ensure its customers see it helping to solve the problem. Just pointing to Yahoo and leaving it at that would be unacceptable to the consumer and the bloggers would not let MS live it down. So, yes, it is VERY appropriate that MS work with any 3rd party vendors that affect WP7 users.
        andrej770
      • @andrej: You have to understand the mindset matthew is using

        @matthew_maurice
        He comes from an Apple world where you only help your customer after you've been backed into a corner. This idea that a company would go out of their way to fix a problem that they aren't directly responsible for is quite a foreign concept to him.
        NonZealot
      • Pull your head out.

        @NonZealot Actually You have no idea where I come from, but for the record it's a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner (the fourth I've worked for-not including a Microsoft joint venture), so my perspective is nowhere near as limited as yours.

        You keep calling me an Apple Zealot when the fact is that I hold way more Microsoft certifications than Apple certs. As for my expectations, they're formed by Windows [b]at least[/b] as much as by Mac OS, so by your reasoning they're both bad. So, think whatever that twisted little mind of yours wants to, but as usual you're just wrong.

        As for the goodness of Microsoft's heart. Do you seriously believe that Microsoft is working so closely with [i]"the third party"[/i] on an issue that by their own admission affects only a [i]"small (low single-digit) percentage of Windows Phone customers"[/i]because they care so much about that tiny number? Also, what exactly is a [i]"third-party solution commonly accessed from Windows Phones"[/i]? Is it an app? Is it code a extension to WP7 provided by the 3rd party but included with the OS? Finally, why is this coming from a newspaper? As opposed to the WP7 website?

        You can say all you want about Microsoft caring about their customers, but if they're so eager to improve the WP7 Customer Experience, where's that "major update" that's been promised since [i]before[/i] launch? According to Paul Thurott [i]"the sheer number of missing features and bugs requires a steady stream of hot-fixes."[/i] Yet we haven't seen it (or any updates). Granted it was said to arrive in January and we're only just past half-way through the month. Regardsless, the fact is that 3 months laster WP7 users are still running the OS their phone came with (cf: http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011/01/18/software-updates-windows-phone-vs-iphone/)

        All of which brings me back to my original point. There's a lot here we still don't know, so calling Microsoft blameless, or even to blame, is premature. However, there is also some very odd stuff here, and whether it be Apple or Microsoft I tend to assume the most self-serving of reasons in the lack of proof otherwise.
        matthew_maurice
      • matthew_maurice, not everthing

        that happens on an operating system is the creator's fault.

        This is not like a faulty antenna design that the designers blame the users for "holding the object incorrectly"
        Tim Cook
      • Silly ABMer... Of course they would..

        @matthew_maurice
        Microsoft has a NEED for WP7 to succeed. Win Mo 6.x is dead. The whole Kin fiasco lead them to be a bit of a laughing stock - even tho it was Verizon's insane data plan pricing that deserved a goodly amount of blame for it becoming an epic fail.

        If they want respect in the mobile arena, then heck yes, they [b]WILL[/b] bend over backwards and work with anyone they have to in order to make the WP7 experience a positive one.

        This IS the sort of thing you can and should expect from ANY vendor.
        Wolfie2K3
      • FYI

        @matthew_maurice

        NonZealot has about as many clues as week old cheese, and is primarily here to jack up page hits. You might as well reason with said cheese for all the use it is.
        zkiwi
    • So Adrian is really looking very, very very stupid right now.

      @NonZealot Anyway when it comes to bashing and FUD against Microsoft, he often has been reduced to one.
      transposeIT
  • Well

    That dashes the dreams of all the haters who wished to see this bug the fault of MS and hamper adoption.
    The one and only, Cylon Centurion
    • No way! this is just M$ passing the blame for their shoddy

      os as usuall!!!
      Ron Bergundy
      • cluck, cluck, cluck

        Yawn...
        John Zern
      • Adoption?

        @Ron Bergundy WP7 adoption is in the hamper all by itself. At its rate of adoption decline the total lifetime WP7 user base won't ever reach the iOS + Android weekly growth, now estimated at five million units and trending up. Game over.
        symbolset
  • 6,564 total apps already!!

    6,564 apps being less than 3 months old? Wow! I know that's a bit off topic, but I just think its funny that the WP7 haters were saying it would be discontinued before it reached less than half that number. :-)
    Tiggster
  • Windows phone 7 'phantom data' down to 'third party' service

    Good to know that Microsoft is in the clear on this. WP7 looks absolutely wonderful and with all the hard work and effort put into it there was no way WP7 could be sending that much data. It had to be a 3rd party as many people guessed. I'm sure the anti-WP7 people will still want to blame Microsoft for this anyway.
    Loverock Davidson
    • You do know that they're responsible, right?

      @Loverock Davidson Microsoft's whole purpose for no sideloading of apps, having to vett apps in their app store is about preventing this sort of thing. And they missed it. That's a serious whiff.

      What else have they missed? I guess we'll find out in time. Not that many people care - it's not like people are lining up to buy these phones.
      symbolset
  • pahntom data, not exclusive to Windows.

    I don't think this is exclusive to the W p7, one of my Apple iPhone 4 was doing the same thing on ATT about 2 AM each night. They could not stop or tell me what was causing the excess data cost. ATT's solution was to force me to upgrade to a higher priced plan... and more, 2gig service which would overcome the problem. You notice its their problem, I just have to pay more to fix the problem. FYI.
    jzac888
  • The Culprit?

    I heard it was caused by HTC Hub Live Tile. You know... the rectangle one with the nice looking weather report and a few tiny app icons... :)
    exglade
  • RE: Windows phone 7 'phantom data' down to 'third party' service

    Just wondering if said "third party" service provider happens to have vested interested in said data usage to improve their bottom line. It seems odd to me that anything would divert control of network communication deliberately over a pay-per-use connection. Much like old viruses that would dial 1-900 numbers in middle of the night to make charges on the phone bill... I'm just sayin. :)
    ryanstrassburg