Windows "Workstation" 2008 better than Vista? OK then, show me the money!

Summary: My post the other day about Windows "Workstation" 2008 (the nickname given to an installation of Windows Server 2008 that's been tweaked to be more of a desktop OS) seemed to have caused a bit of a stir amongst those who believe that the server OS makes a better desktop OS than Vista. OK then, if that's the case, show me the money!

My post the other day about Windows "Workstation" 2008 (the nickname given to an installation of Windows Server 2008 that's been tweaked to be more of a desktop OS) seemed to have caused a bit of a stir amongst those who believe that the server OS makes a better desktop OS than Vista. OK then, if that's the case, show me the money!

Windows Workstation 2008Let me start off by making something clear. Nothing would make me happier than to find out that Windows Server 2008 made a better desktop OS than Windows Vista? Why? Well, I have some space licenses for the server OS, and there's nothing I would like better than to be able to brag about the fact that I was running a server OS on my desktop system. But if I'm going to go to the hassle of running Windows Server 2008 on my desktop PC, I need a good reason to do that, and so far none of the Windows "Workstation" 2008 advocates have shown me much in the way of proof that following all that effort I'd end up with a better desktop experience. In fact, my experimentation with Windows "Workstation" 2008 is that when it comes to performance and stability, I really can't see any real difference.

And why would I see much difference. After all, Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 share the same kernel, key aspects of the OS (such as the registry and drivers) are identical, so why would there be much difference. Sure, each flavor has its strengths and weaknesses (after all, one is marketed as a desktop OS and the other as a server OS), but on since both flavors share the same heritage, there's little room for one flavor to be dramatically different to the other.

Proponents of Windows "Workstation" 2008 make some very bold claims. The OS is faster, more reliable, less sluggish, less prone to crashing, and needs a wipe and restart far less often than Windows Vista. However, the problem I have with these claims is that I've yet to come across anyone who has supplied any proof to back up these claims. Without proof, these claims fall into the same category as "my wife makes the best pumpkin pie" (she does) and "I'm a great driver" (I am). Years of "registry optimizers," "memory boosters" and "diagnostic tools" have made me wary of bold claims that are heavy on the hyperbole but light on proof. I've also tested and debunked plenty of claims that you can access some hidden turbo boost feature in Windows Vista by disabling a service or making a registry tweak.

Also, don't you think that if Windows Server 2008 really did make a better desktop OS than Vista that Microsoft wouldn't have released a tweaked version (maybe called Windows Vista Power Users Special Edition) and given it a, oh, say $750 price tag?

If Windows "Workstation" 2008 is faster than Vista, then don't just tell me, show me. If it's more reliable, explain in what way (what issues were you seeing before that you aren't seeing now?). If Windows "Workstation" 2008 really is so much better than Vista, then proving these points should be trivial.

In lieu of proof, I'm going to offer a few suggestions as to why users might be led to believe that Windows "Workstation" 2008 is a better desktop OS than Vista:

  • Self-delusion I have to kick off with this one. I know what it's like to have something that not many other people have, and if you're not careful, that can cloud judgment.
  • The SP1 effect Remember, Windows Server 2008 was released over a year following Windows Vista and as such was in a position to benefit from a whole host of bug fixes and code improvements.
  • Less junk Now everything that will install on Windows Vista will install on Windows Server 2008, and while you can get most things to work, the added steps mean that you're not likely to want three browser toolbars installed or those six media players. Also, most consumer versions of security software just won't install on the server edition. This means that Windows "Workstation" 2008 installations enjoy far less bloat. That has to make a difference.
  • Tweaked-in optimizations Isn't is possible that in the process of converting the server OS into a desktop OS that users have tweaked-in some optimizations that were open to them in the desktop flavor. I was reading a comment the other day from someone who claimed that the Start Menu was more responsive under Windows "Workstation" 2008 than under Windows Vista, but this could be nothing more than the result of the tweaking of a registry value.

But still, with all that said, I remain open-minded. If Windows "Workstation" 2008 really is so much better than Windows Vista, then don't tell me that it is, show me. Until then, the myth that Windows "Workstation" 2008 is significantly better than Windows Vista is, in my book at any rate, busted.

Topics: Hardware, Microsoft, Operating Systems, Software, Windows

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  • dre` typo, i think

    <font color=grey>"...nothing I would <font color=darkred><em>lie</em></font> better than to..."</font>
    n0neXn0ne
    • That'll teach me ...

      ... to post the wrong version! :-D
      Adrian Kingsley-Hughes
  • It's the cost, Adrian

    look at the difference in price.

    if i paid that much for a "desktop" OS, you can bet that I'd convince myself it was faster ;)
    AllKnowingAllSeeing
    • :-)

      Hehehe
      Adrian Kingsley-Hughes
  • The other thing to consider

    Hopefully both sides can accept that Server 2008 needs tweaking to make it more suitable for the desktop and Vista needs tweaking to make it "leaner and meaner". Not only do the "Workstation 2008" proponents have to prove that their solution ends up being superior to an untweaked Vista install, they have to prove that tweaking Server 2008 is superior to a tweaked Vista install and that it takes less time and energy to start with Server 2008 and tweak it for the desktop than it takes to start with Vista and tweak it for "leanness and meanness" (if those are even words).

    In my experience, untweaked Vista works just fine on my desktop and required very little tweaking to make it work just fine on my laptop (I disabled Aero and fine tuned the indexing which took all of 5 minutes).
    NonZealot
  • Adrian, One got through Spell-Check...

    "Less junk
    Now everything that will install on Windows Vista will install on <<Widows>> Server 2008"
    Kromaethius
    • Hehe, reminds me of Widows 95 spider exhibit

      Shortly after the Windows 95 release, PC Magazine's "Abort, Retry, Fail?" section had a picture of a banner for a spiders exhibit called "Widows 95". :)

      Did a Google search and the only reference I can seem to find to it is: http://www.rrj.ca/issue/1996/spring/209/
      PB_z
  • Turn in your nerd card

    The bragging rights of saying you're using Windows Server as
    a desktop should be enough of a reason on its own!

    I'm demoting you back down to Geek!

    :)
    Marcos El Malo
  • I'm confused...

    "But if I???m going to go to the hassle of running Windows Server 2008 on my desktop PC, I need a good reason to do that"

    That implies you've never even tried it yourself I assume. Wow. You've spent all this time ranting in two well-placed Internet articles about the subject, but you've never loaded it and seen for yourself and now you want US to convince you to do so? Seriously?

    You are the reporter here. Why don't YOU set up a parition (and shame on you if you don't already have a test parition), YOU install Windows 2008 (Since you have licenses hanging around), and then YOU come back and tell us your experiences first.

    Give me a break. I don't need you to tell me that Windows 2008 IS indeed faster on my computer than VistaSP1.
    lawryll@...
    • Yeah, and to think...

      Even if he doesn't have a license hanging around, he can go download a complete ISO from Microsoft for free to try -- It has a 60 day initial trial period.
      Kromaethius
    • Or perhaps he has installed it but doesn't see...

      ...the differences. Thus help him out and show him. Is that too much to ask?
      ye
      • Too much?

        I think a better question is...is it too much to ask for a prominent blogger on Ziff Davis's network to actually do their job.

        If Adrian had done his research and come back to us with examples using standard benchmarks and such that would be one thing, but Adrian has simply spent (hours?) writing about Windows 2008, but he doesn't seem to have put much actual use into it. Now he's simply at the point of having US...the people reading the blogs...do his research for him.

        I'm using Windows 2008 NOW. It seems "snappier" and runs faster from what I see. Why a> would I need to prove that to anyone and b> why would I give up hours of MY own time to do so without any compensation just to prove a point to a blogger who won't bother to do it himself?
        lawryll@...
        • Funny...

          How you don't want to waste your time figuring out how to quantify Windows 2008's superiority to Vista yet you will spend any amount of time necessary to whine about being 'made' to do that. If Adrian tested Windows 2008 and Vista and saw no difference and people said he was wrong, then wouldn't he be expected to ask them exactly what is necessary to see that difference?
          jamesrayg
          • Okay...

            "If Adrian tested Windows 2008 and Vista and saw no difference"...

            That's the problem...he didn't. He never did test Windows 2008 to any depth. I see nowhere where Adrian shows us his benchmarks...just a lot of talk about how we need to do his work for him because he doesn't believe us. Whoopdeedoo.

            Again, I'm enjoying Windows 2008. It opens applications faster, boots faster, can run more tasks at the same time, and has never crashed once on me. Do I really care what Adrian thinks of my computer and OS to spend hours giving a geeky micro-second comparisons to "prove" one thing over another...like some 3rd grade "OS king of the hill" game? Nope. That, unlike Adrian, is not my job.
            lawryll@...
          • It's not his responsibility to prove someone else's claims.

            It is upon those who make a claim to support it.

            You claim W2K8 'seems "snappier" and runs faster from what I see'. OK...what do you see? You claim to have experience with both and see a difference. So where do you see the difference?

            Myself, I have performed one benchmark between Vista and W2K8: Cinebench R10. And W2K8 outperformed Vista SP1.
            ye
          • I never asked...

            Anyone to prove anything. I simply stated that to me, it runs faster.

            Why do I need to prove anything? If Adrian doesn't *think* it runs faster, then great...it doesn't run faster even when you use it. End of argument and the need for this silly debate. Happy now? Good.
            lawryll@...
          • @ lawryll: You didn't? Then what was the purpose of...

            [i]I never asked...Anyone to prove anything.[/i]

            ...the purpose of these words of yours:

            "You are the reporter here. Why don't YOU set up a parition (and shame on you if you don't already have a test parition), YOU install Windows 2008 (Since you have licenses hanging around), and then YOU come back and tell us your experiences first."

            Seems reasonable to conclude you are asking someone to prove something.
            ye
          • Ye, mind to post the numbers?

            ...and your test configuration, too? 32 or 64 bit? Clean install of both? Fiddled with settings/services?

            My personal tests (64 bit, 8GB Ram, clean install of Vista SP1 & Server 2008) showed minor differences, mostly based on different settings and active services, and certainly not worth the hustle of tweaking Server 2008 for daily desktop use. If you have a different experience, i'd like to hear about it.
            cgdams
          • @cgdams: The configuration was:

            P4 1.6GHz, 1GB RAM, 40GB HD, ATI Rage 128 video. Vista Ultimate SP1 clean, default install. W2K8 Enterprise clean, default install. Cinebench R10 default configuration.

            I only performed the CPU score as that was all I was interested in at the time. I did not record what the scores were as I didn't see a need to do so. I will run the benchmark again this afternoon and post the results.

            I'm not sure if this is a good benchmark as the system in question is over six years old. Not sure how the benchmark would compare on newer hardware.
            ye
          • @cgdams: Here are the numbers:

            Windows 2008 Server EE w/SP1 and latest patches:

            Run 1: 792 (18:36)
            Run 2: 780 (18:53)
            Run 3: 789 (18:40)

            Avg: 787 (18:43)

            Windows Vista Ultimate w/SP1, latest patches, sidebar disabled:

            Run 1: 748 (19:43)
            Run 2: 746 (19:46)
            Run 3: 765 (19:16)

            Avg: 753 (19:35)

            W2K8 gain: 4.52%

            Both systems were set to the "High Performance" power setting. Though I did not test with the default "Balanced" setting this time I don't think it made a difference in other testing I've performed.

            This isn't anything spectacular but ~5% could be a benefit in some situations. But I don't believe it's sufficient to justify all the "W2K8 is a better/faster platform than Vista" posts we regularly see.

            Edit: Benchmark program was Cinebench R10. I'd also like to note that both W2K8 and Vista were unable to see the network interface on this system so I downloaded and used the Windows XP driver. For those having problems locating drivers try one for XP or W2K.
            ye