Baby aspirin and the Vytorin scandal
Summary: You can't just do one study and learn all there is. It's sort of like a software beta test. You don't really learn its bugs and true capabilities until it's out in the world. Which leads us to the Vytorin scandal.
You can't learn everything about a compound while it's patented. (Bayer Leverkusen is the only soccer team I know with a pill in its team shield.)
Take aspirin. When I was a little kid my mom gave me baby aspirin for headaches. Little, orange, chewable. Delicious. On a night that went into family lore my older sister invited me, around midnight, to a "baby aspirin party."
I don't remember our stomachs getting pumped out. We washed them down with Ex-Lax tablets.
So now, in middle age, I take baby aspirin. For my heart. I wish it were chewable, but it's not. Maybe if I washed it down with a Bloody Mary.
Even when I was a child, aspirin was off-patent. After I grew up it was found that aspirin should not be given to little children. Then it was found its blood-thinning effect might stave off heart attack or stroke.
And today we learn that many people are aspirin-resistant, that this aspirin therapy may be hurting them, causing the heart attacks they are trying to prevent.
So you never know, do you? Or at least it takes a long time to know. You can't just do one study and learn all there is. It's sort of like a software beta test. You don't really learn its bugs and true capabilities until it's out in the world.
Which leads us to the Vytorin scandal. And the general topic of statins.
Statins were developed in the 1980s to lower cholesterol. So the first such drug, Zocor, was going off-patent, and its maker decided to combine it with another cholesterol-lowering formula, the patented Zetia, to create Vytorin.
The idea was that Vytorin would extend the profits Zocor was making under patent, by getting a new patent.
Trouble is, the Vytorin people learned, their new drug was no better than Zocor alone. Somehow the results of this study, called ENHANCE, took an awful long time to compile. Vytorin brought in $1.9 billion in 2006.
Congress says this sounds like a scandal, and maybe it is. But the truth is we really don't know much about statins, even now, and the truth (as it comes out) is far more complex than we first thought.
The media is now ginning up a scandal over a study showing that statin use may have no statistical relationship to heart attacks in women or people over 65. Cholesterol levels past that age may be irrelevant.
On the other hand...
Regular readers here recall how, last month, I wrote about a study by Dr. Helen Hobbs, which concluded that cholesterol causes plaque levels to rise from infancy, and it might thus make sense to give low-dose statins to young people.
We recently learned that statins may prevent the onset of Alzheimer's Disease, again by lowering cholesterol levels and preventing the build-up of plaque, this time in brain tissue. A host of other potential benefits are being studied, including a possible link to diabetes.
Not all the news is good. A mini-industry has developed around dissing statins. Calcium build-up may have as much to do with heart attacks as cholesterol. Links are claimed to depression and cancer.
The truth, as with aspirin, is we just don't know the whole truth. A science experiment tries to isolate a single variable, and if a compound acts against that variable it is deemed to work.
But our bodies defy experimentation. Everyone knows this. That doesn't mean science is bad or wrong or flawed in any way. It just takes a lot more science to make definite progress than most people think.
We're complicated. Deal with it.
Recommendations are just that, the best suggestion we can offer based on what we think we know now. But we keep learning more, and so recommendations change. You only learn when you change your mind, and you can only learn when you're open to that change.
Remember how doctors recommended that President Eisenhower eat margarine instead of butter? Then we found out about trans-fats. Those doctors weren't committing malpractice. They were offering the best advice they had at the time.
Woody Allen lampooned this in his early film Sleeper. His character was into health food, but awoke into a future where doctors were plying him with cigarettes and martinis, claiming they were what was good for you.
We're not going that far. But we are going to continue to learn, and we're going to find that many old compounds have impacts, both good and bad, we never knew about when they were under patent.
The next wonder drug, in other words, may have already been invented.
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Talkback
Ban Drug TV Commercials?
That isn't meant as a blanket indictment of Pharmaceutical companies in general, but it would interesting if you put it up a vote Dana to garner a sense whether or not TV Pharmaceutical Ads are being perceived as being beneficial to the public.
Here's your problem
Getting rid of TV ads can only happen as part of a larger effort. Even then it's probably a follow-on, because the attempt could doom reform.
I'm not feeling hopeless on the subject. But what you want is an uphill climb. Events like those of the last week make the gradient less steep.
Here's yours...
If you want to read a REAL Diatribe on how BAD the Chicago School has been,
Of course I didn't really even know much about all that stuff until I read the book... Knew OF "Uncle Miltie" and his push for the "free market," but like millions of others, I had always thought that was a GOOD THING until I read just how much EVIL has really been done in its name and how it really IS behind all the corporate greed that's at the center of, yes, "growing our economy," but only to make the richest 2 percent or so richer, while everyone else either has flat income or a net loss...
And if you remember, 15 years or so ago, it was either ILLEGAL, or considered unethical and therefore not done, for any alcoholic beverages stronger than beer or wine to be advertised on American TV, as well as prescription medicines, doctors, hospitals and medical practices, and attorneys... Of course this was not too long after the TV networks LOST all the revenue they used to get from cigarette ads, and then were forced to ALSO phase out advertising for cigars and finally also smokeless tobacco -- but the ad dollars that have replaced them from the categories named above have doubtless MORE than compensated for what was lost from big tobacco.
Of them all, the liquor advertising actually surprised me the most, since hard liquor can be as bad for people as smoking, but they're pretty "subtle" with the ads and ALWAYS say to "drink responsibly," with which I agree (I drink a bit, myself, from time to time -- not very much now that I'm on heart meds, lol -- not much more than that for many years prior).
At any rate, the point I'm making is that as long as the TV stations and networks exist as for-profit entities paid for entirely through advertising dollars, they WILL find customers with products to advertise, and ways to get those products on the air (the HUGE increase in Political ads has been a real boon to local stations, as well). If we take away the BILLIONS of dollars of pharmaceutical ad dollars, who knows WHERE the networks would go for their money next? I don't even want to GUESS.
Jeff
They WEREN'T LEGAL until what, 15 years ago?
As for Vytorin, I had a moderate (felt mild to me, but the doctor said it was "fairly substantial") heart attack 23 months ago and have been on Vytorin ever since, and it's kept my TOTAL cholesterol below 100 (VERY GOOD)... I've lost some weight (not enough), they also have me on Plavix and Lisiniprol and Coreg, plus the Nitroquick for emergencies... and I have a number of other meds for asthma and what have you (and I don't go ASKING for this stuff, either)... At any rate, I'd called in my middle-month refills (about 10, in all), Jan. 14 and went to pick them up on the 16th (they were filled on the 15th and the Vytorin news report came out the 14th or 15th... With all my health issues, I'm on disability and have Medicare Part D, so I have a copay of $3.10 per drug -- except when I went to pay, the total was more than $160 because the insurance company had ALREADY taken Vytorin off its formulary!
I called the doctor's office about it the next day -- last Thursday; took them until TODAY, this Wednesday, to get back to me and decide to call in Lipitor instead... Nurse said all the doctors at that practice are still awaiting more data before they quit prescribing Vytorin... I said I thought it had done a great job for me, but then I have no basis for comparison because I was never on a Statin before the heart attack, so for all I know, Zocor would have given me the same results, huh?
Speaking of which, I wonder just WHY she didn't call in a generic Zocor prescription and save Medicare some money? I didn't know the details of this until just now, or I would have asked for that... Would have made for a great comparison, too.
Jeff
RE: Baby aspirin and the Vytorin scandal
Although these two compounds appear similar under a microscope, the similarity ends there. No internal bleeding, stroke, ulcers, pancreatic cancer, etc. are attributed to salicin from willow bark. See this article in the "American Journal of Medicine".
(1 Chrubasik et al. ???Treatment of low back pain exacerbations with willow bark extract: a randomized double blind study.??? American Journal of Medicine.)2000;109:9-14.
So if you're going to take aspirin over a long period of time, do the research!
This is another case of us trying to make nature "better", while going after the almighty dollar (OK, Bayer was going after the deutchemark ;-) in the 1890's.
Larry
RE: Baby aspirin and the Vytorin scandal
RE: Baby aspirin and the Vytorin scandal
B.S. Snyder, MD
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