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Is the cloud a VAR killer?

By | August 10, 2010, 9:34am PDT

Summary: When I wrote about SAP Business ByDesign fixed price implementation as a good thing, I could not have anticipated the variety of opinions that emerged. It seems the VAR world falls into two camps that are diametrically opposed. They either love the idea of fixed price or they hate it. If the responses I’ve seen [...]

When I wrote about SAP Business ByDesign fixed price implementation as a good thing, I could not have anticipated the variety of opinions that emerged. It seems the VAR world falls into two camps that are diametrically opposed. They either love the idea of fixed price or they hate it. If the responses I’ve seen are indicative of the market then there are no grey areas. But then there are deeper issues for the VAR community to consider.

Historically, VARs had the luxury of two easily defined and lucrative revenue streams: a decent slice of the retail selling price, up to 40%, of the solution on offer plus consulting and implementation fees based on time and materials. Regardless of economic conditions, the fundamentals of the model have not changed. Cloud computing solutions upend that model.

One conversation I had with Ezequiel Steiner, CEO of Acumatica was particularly instructive. Acumatica is a cloud ERP player that uses a 100% indirect selling model: “VARs understand that sales margins for cloud solutions are lower than the traditional on-premise offering albeit there is the opportunity for recurring revenue. We concluded that in those circumstances, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to compete with VARs by going direct to the market. Competing with the VAR is not going to help build a channel, rather it is an impediment. We have to provide much more upfront support than was the case in the past as part of smoothing the adoption process at the customer end but we gain from being VAR friendly. However, I disagree with the idea of fixed fee implementation because that removes the competitive element in the market place. It also means that some customers end up subsidizing others. It will be interesting to see how SAP VARs perform now that we have seen what SAP is prepared to offer.”

Mr. Steiner claims that the non-compete element of Acumatica’s proposition makes it relatively easy for the company to recruit: “Like any other vendor we want the best we can find.” Acumatica claims to have north of 50 resellers. ”Having a non-compete model makes it much easier for us to select those VARs that have the skills to quickly implement solutions in an economical manner. We’re working towards a cost that is around 80% of the first year’s subscription price.” Isn’t that a fixed fee by another name? Apparently not although I must admit to struggling with the logic of that argument.

Acumatica’s number is in the ballpark of figures I have heard before. Skyytek for instance suggests that BYD implementations will likely run at roughly 100% of first year full fees. In contrast to Acumatica, Skyytek prefers to offer a fixed price. It bases that upon a fixed fee up front requirements analysis plus the ability to replicate past solutions.

Regardless of which model works best for everyone, the broader question must be how cloud solutions will impact the VAR market over the long term. Gary Turner, UK managing director of Xero says that past waves of VAR consolidation have left a market that is struggling for profit but with significant challenges: “We don’t find difficulty in bringing our community of accountants on board. We have a 100% success rate when we get in front of them. The problem is in their understanding how to on board their clients. We think it should be easy given the low monthly subscription model but it isn’t that simple.”

Everyone I have spoken with agrees that VAR models for cloud solutions have yet to mature. The one thing that everyone knows is that the balance of power between customer, vendor and VAR is changing in the customer’s favor. For some it is a scary proposition. For others it is an opportunity.

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  • An opp to keep vendors honest
    This is a bit of a stretch in practical terms given how PS pricing and channel power has worked historically in the on-premise world but.....I wonder if this is an opportunity for SAP ByD (and others) to suggest a fixed cost as more of a ceiling for the SI effort. In other words, their promise to the customer: "if your VAR is charging more that X, it's probably too much for plain vanilla provisioning". This way you preserve the healthy competitive dynamic that you fear might go away in the face of fixed pricing.

    Now THAT would certainly mess up the equilibrium in the balance of power you point out above and speed up the tilt in the customers favor.
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    Sameer Patel
    10th Aug 2010
  • Not a VAR killer, but a VAR disrupter
    Dennis, I can tell you that having spoken to one of the largest cloud providers about this matter, that they are very concerned with "how will VARs make money" selling or reselling cloud OEM products. You are right that the cloud model moves money from the up-front implementation to a recurring revenue stream.

    My gut tells me that long term it can be profitable, and it certainly is an easier business to manage (VARs of cloud service providers can see their cash flow a year or more in advance, vs. the project-to-project orientation of traditional VARs). But going from one model to the other will be difficult. Just like it's difficult for a traditional on-premise vendor to transition to cloud offerings.

    So, I think the green-field pure play cloud VARs are going to have an easier time that traditional VARs trying to make the transition.
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    fscavo
    10th Aug 2010
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    RE: Is the cloud a VAR killer?
    @fscavo I don't think it's a question of profit but timing. If I am getting a recurring slice of the income then my revenue stream is spread over time. That worries some, while others see it as a good thing.
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    dahowlett
    10th Aug 2010
  • RE: Is the cloud a VAR killer?
    @dahowlett after year 3 of recurring - it is a good thing and cumulative of course. Your correct- timing is what is different - as is the deployment model for services - which has to be tuned for saas of course.
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    rtetlow
    10th Aug 2010
  • RE: Is the cloud a VAR killer?
    @fscavo good comment post - completely agree with you on this. In Skyytek's case we had to build our practice solely with the cloud in mind from inception - it didnt fit in our other on-premise company at all. - took me a while to realize that - but then that was back in 2004.
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    rtetlow
    10th Aug 2010
  • RE: Is the cloud a VAR killer?
    In my experience, it's been almost impossible to find VARs or SIs who understand the SaaS value proposition AND who have the expertise to sell an enterprise-class product. Even among the few who do, it's very difficult for them to give up the up-front revenue model that they have built their businesses on. (In this, the situation parallels the situation of traditional on-premises software vendors who want to transition to the SaaS model; the shortfall in cashflow created by the switch to subscription pricing may kill these companies before they can complete the transition.)

    I'd be very interested in talking to some of the pure-play cloud VARs/SIs out there, expecially if they have experience in the manufacturing industry. In the meantime, we've signed up implementation parnters who are happy to get the revenue from these projects, without necessarily becoming resellers. It's an interesting business model.
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    pfetterman
    10th Aug 2010
  • RE: Is the cloud a VAR killer?
    @pfetterman I am surprised you are getting traction on implementation partners that are happy to just get revenue from just services. This creates little or no equity value in these companies generally since there is so difined recurring revenue stream - so I want to bet they are very small outfits and question their commitment level.

    For a VAR to survive - they need both the license recurring revenue as well as the services - the cost of sale is high in SaaS compared on a $ by $ basis to on-prem revenue - which is why both is needed to make the business sustainable and worth anything. Otherwise you are only as good as your last project.

    We (since inception) are a SaaS pure-play and the economics for a VAR is definitely there since we have been profitable since inception - but the methods of selling and deplolyment are completely different to on-prem.

    One other opportunity a VAR may have is to enhance to core ERP product by developing an addon to that product for a macro and/or micro vertical and/or horizontal solution. But in most cases where this is successful ties in to if they are allowed to market it as a OEM product (better chance of success) versus a product thats marketed as a standalone add-on (rarely succeeds).
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    rtetlow
    10th Aug 2010
  • RE: Is the cloud a VAR killer?
    We build Twinfield online accounting system but off course are also using it ourselves. We just finished the first phase of our Salesforce implementation. Together with an implementation partner we build several Webservices connections. This is ? massive opportunity for existing VAR's. Integratingg and connecting SaaS applications with. So its not about reselling anymore, but about integrating. So a VAI instead of VAR.
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    leppam
    10th Aug 2010
  • RE: Is the cloud a VAR killer?
    @leppam its actually about selling, services, customizations and integration. One aspect of it alone does not really cut it in the long term in the SaaS space unless your only focus is just integration across many saas vendors which is generally what a VAR does not focus on. You need the sale of a ERP service to happen first - without that - your dead in the water.
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    rtetlow
    10th Aug 2010
  • RE: Is the cloud a VAR killer?
    Whatever we call them, consultants that can help educate the customer, and then configure, integrate and tailor more complex apps that involve many workflows (like ERP) will always be needed. We just did a podcast with Ezequiel Steiner, CEO of Acumatica discussing these issues: http://www.smb-gr.com/blogs-twitter-2/smb-spotlight-podcasts/
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    Laurie McCabe
    11th Aug 2010
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    jrockefeller1@...
    12th Aug 2010
  • Cloud will separate true value-added implementation from plain vanill
    I agree the impact of more recurring revenue, less one-time is similar for VARs and vendors. Beyond timing and cash flow implications, it makes long term relation more important than hit and run implementation - good for the customer.

    Cloud-driven changes in what you sell and deliver seem more important. Figuring out just what exactly can a VAR deliver comes first, and depends on features of the vendor's solution. Once you know that, you can adjust pricing and selling.

    Ultimately, each vendor will evolve its cloud solutions to minimize effort of plain vanilla implementation. This will reduce VAR scope for plain vanilla implementation and push VARs to higher value-added services.
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    Gianluca Marcellino
    16th Aug 2010
  • RE: Is the cloud a VAR killer?
    what is VAR?
    update:value-added reseller
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    superyngo
    22nd Sep 2010
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