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Michael Arrington snared in libel verdict: lessons for us all

By | August 3, 2009, 3:18am PDT

Summary: The UK’s High Court of Justice has ruled that Michael Arrington and Interserve Inc libeled Sam Sethi (see above.) The original plaint claimed that Arrington/Interserve engaged in a: “…sustained campaign of character assassination against the Claimant alleging fraud; bank forgery and other crimes; including threats to murder a business associate; of being psychotic; pathological; threatening; despicable; [...]

The UK’s High Court of Justice has ruled that Michael Arrington and Interserve Inc libeled Sam Sethi (see above.) The original plaint claimed that Arrington/Interserve engaged in a:

“…sustained campaign of character assassination against the Claimant alleging fraud; bank forgery and other crimes; including threats to murder a business associate; of being psychotic; pathological; threatening; despicable; disreputable; deceitful; and a cheat.”

Arrington/Interserve sought to air this in public through various blog posts, the most recent of which provides the history as they see it here. Critically, they say:

This letter follows up on our March 18, 2009 letter to you, in which we explained that TechCrunch is not susceptible to the jurisdiction of English courts and the proper forum for your client’s claims would be the State of California.

In other words, both Arrington/Interserve attempted to move the case from Sethi’s home ground to another jurisdiction. The UK courts thought differently.

It is my understanding that neither Arrington nor Interserve chose to defend the case in the UK courts and having given notice that they would not do so are precluded from raising a viable appeal. This means that under UK law, Arrington/Interserve are liable for any final monetary damages and costs the court chooses to award. Sethi tells me that his costs are of the order of £30,000 and the plaint calls for monetary damages of up to £50,000.

Further since this will constitute a debt to the court, should Arrington attempt to enter the UK without first having settled the matter, he might be liable to immediate arrest and incarceration. That has yet to be tested but represents a risk that Arrington will need to consider for the future.

This case raises interesting topics for enterprise generally. The UK is sometimes cast as being ‘claimant friendly’ in libel matters with the onus being on the defendant to make their case. Even then it is not as simple as it sounds. Here is an example:

In the UK, if someone thinks that what you wrote about them is either defamatory or damaging, the onus will be entirely on you to prove that your comments are true in court. In other words, if you make the claim, you’ve got to prove it!

For example, if you said Peter Sutcliffe had never paid his TV licence in his life that would not be defamatory - or it is very unlikely to be. However, if you said the same about TV boss Greg Dyke, that would be.

Why? Because Peter Sutcliffe’s reputation will not be damaged by the TV licence revelation (he is after all a mass murderer). Of course, his lawyers would still be free to bring the case to court, but it is very unlikely they would succeed.

Greg Dyke, on the other hand, runs the BBC , so to say he wilfully doesn’t pay his TV licence could have a seriously detrimental effect on his career. He could be fired or his reputation damaged (note:Dyke has now left the BBC).

It is not for the judge or jury (at the outset) to decide how damaged he is - they just have to confirm that such accusations are false and damaging. Then the judge and/or jury decide on monetary damages.

The fact Arrington/Interserve chose not to defend in the UK courts means that regardless of the veracity of their claims, they lose by default. It doesn’t matter whether Arrington/Interserve are 100% accurate in the statements they made, they have been considered answerable to a valid plaint under UK law and having chosen to stay silent, they gave up their right of defense. Put simply: don’t try to say the law doesn’t apply to me and expect that to be a viable defense in all jurisdictions. By default, the judgment recognizes that Arringon/Interserve are in a position of power where what they say carries weight to a large audience and can be considered damaging.

The fact that Arrington/Interserve chose to air this in the public domain makes it worse because they cannot dispute what they have said. Worse still, by eliciting comments to the libel, they are opening the door to compounding the libel by others. How well that stands up has not been thoroughly tested although a recent ruling suggests that defamatory bulletin board comments are more likely slander.

I am all in favor of change in media and the blogosphere has opened the Pandora’s Box for speaking publicly about matters anyone considers important. I give Arrington full credit for attempting to ‘change the media game’ and using his right to freedom of speech as a way of articulating what he believes to be true. This is an ongoing debate that will be carried well into the future. However, that has to be tempered by understanding that you cannot make the rules up and expect that jurisdictions will ignore the laws that apply in their lands. As this case shows, it doesn’t work that way, regardless of how any one individual views the situation. UK law may be viewed as quirky but that doesn’t matter.

In the US, it is widely assumed that freedom of speech means just that: say what you wish more or less without impunity. This case shows that while that might be true in the US, you cannot make the same assumptions elsewhere. Put bluntly - don’t use your position or power to oppress others and expect you can do so without recourse. As someone who has to navigate different interpretations of software licensing, I can understand the frustrations many feel at what they see as frivolous, vexatious or just plain wrong. But the law is what it is whether any of us like it or not.

Enterprise will look at this and consider how well they have framed their public policies concerning employee blogging such that they are protected in different territories. My reading suggests that while policies might be fine in one place, they will need to be reviewed for others. My hope is that common sense will prevail and we won’t see a general clamp down on the expression of honestly held opinion.

In the past, Arrington has made much of the fact that no-one has successfully sued and won. On the basis of this decision, that claim has now been shattered.

In a telephone conversation with me, Sethi pondered whether Arrington/Interserve will settle whatever the court awards. According to the plaint:

“The Claimant only wishes to restore his good reputation and will give all of any award to charity and/or the family of the colleague who suffered a fatal heart attack (Mark Orchant) and/or, to contribute towards unpaid salaries of those editors involved in the failed website, Blognation.com.”

From a PR standpoint, Arrington/Interserve are in a difficult position. Do they stand back and do nothing, even though the financial onus for dealing with the Blognation.com debacle would now seem to sit squarely on their shoulders by virtue of the wording in the plaint? Or do they accept what has happened and pay whatever the court awards? Neither route is easy to navigate successfully.

Anyone who reads this blog knows I am no stranger to irreverance so as an amusing aside, when Arrington recently hired Paul Carr, Carr said:

To Michael’s credit, he didn’t hesitate in agreeing to the editorial independence (”but if you suck, I’ll fire you”) and to two of my other three demands.

Does this now mean that Arrington sucks and that he has to fire himself? In the meantime it will be interesting to see how Arrington/Interserve respond.

UPDATE: it seems in true TechCrunch fashion, they’ve already responded. Doesn’t change what’s happened in the courts. That’s the point.

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The Groucho Club libel cqse
Pierrefff 24th Aug 2009
Tyrone D Murphy was in the French Foreign Legion, I served with him and he was a tosser as an offficer. The D in his name stands for ******** He has duel citizenship of France and Ireland, he was booted out of the legion for hitting another officer. Last I heard he was working as a mercenary in Africa as a comms officer. Tosser
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absurd eh!
david_terrar Updated - 3rd Aug 2009
So Arrington thinks Sam's litigation was absurd, and has decided not to submit to the the jurisdiction of the UK courts. I heard Mike was a lawyer, so it seems strange tactics to me - and surely he's been very poorly advised. Very interested to see how this plays out in the courts of public opinion either side of the Atlantic.

By the way, I have my own views and some inside knowledge, as one of the blognation.com editors that was directly involved in this thing (but I'm keeping my own counsel).
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"liturgation"?
ejhonda 3rd Aug 2009
Merriam-Webster never heard of it, either.
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Holy Christ...
zwhittaker 3rd Aug 2009
See, I didn't know about any of this. Granted, I only started on ZDNet in May 2008 but surprised I didn't hear about it. After following link after link, I've learned more and more about the background to this - Oliver Starr, Marc (very sad), Sethi and Arrington... this is huge.

While I won't comment on my personal opinion - simply because it's unfair to do so after only just finding out about it - it's certainly a big, very messy mess. We most certainly can learn a thing or two from this. Keep it professional, and leave personal issues aside.
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See what you've been missing
dahowlett 3rd Aug 2009
The background is huge but the libel case was focused on some very specific issues. I'm no lawyer but having both won and lost in court I know that some of what was going on was pretty darned extreme. I don't know whether Arrington/TC would have won in a contested issue but that is now moot. It's over
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Keep it professional
samksethi 3rd Aug 2009
This was a right royal mess and sadly litigation was the only way I could see to get some closure. Being a UK citizen it was my right to seek redress in the UK courts.

As for Mr Starr sadly there is more to come as Dennis is aware but that is for another day. I accept I made mistakes and wish I could turn the clock back to correct them but I did not deserve the personal character assasination from Starr/Arrington and the Techcrunch trolls.

I hope this brings a close to this whole sorry mess for all parties. The show is over time to move on.
Oh come on, it is patently absurd to litigate this in
the UK. Unless you believe that UK courts have jurisdiction over anything written anywhere on the
internet.

The UK is a total libel tourist paradise. Hopefully the
libel laws will be reformed at some point.

I think you are far too dismissive of Techcrunch's
decision not to litigate, that they lost on a default
judgement is not an indication of anything but the fact
they didn't turn up.

If you were sued in Nigera or China or the Federated
States of Micronesia, are you obligied to spend up to
half a million dollars to defend yourself?
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Wrong
dahowlett 3rd Aug 2009
Sethi lives in the UK, he was the person libeled, he gets to choose, end of story. If Arrington and TechCrunch don't like it then tough but that's how it plays in the UK. If anyone was dismissive it was Arrington making clear - I ain't playing by your rules. Well guess what? Other jurisdictions don't take kindly to that sort of thing. And big though he may be, he isn't exempt. Now everyone else has to shut up or all they're doing is compounding the problem. In addition, Arrington/TC ARE on the hook in the UK. Doesn't matter what anyone thinks. That's where Arrington's wheels have really fallen off.
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Wrong in numbers
moocowmoo 3rd Aug 2009
Arrington is hardly the first American to refuse to participate in UK libel proceedings. See, for instance, Rachel Ehrenfeld whose book about terrorist funding was not even sold in the UK. In response, the New York senate passed a law protecting against foreign libel judgments.

A *law* was passed specifically to protect the type of response Arrington made.

Maybe this case will cause the same thing to happen in the Californian senate, that should be fun.
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It still means...
dahowlett 3rd Aug 2009
...there is a judgment filed in the UK courts. He can't argue that. Now if he chooses to try overturn then that's another matter, but so far he's saying no. Well, that's his right I guess.
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Half a million dollars?
david_terrar 3rd Aug 2009
moocowmoo - you seem to be propogating Arington's suggestion that action in the UK would have cost him $500,000 - where did he get that number from? Sorry, but I don't believe that.
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Sorry, Wrong Response Level
Benabbydk 3rd Aug 2009
My apologies, I was attempting to reply to the author of the article.
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You know nothing about the law of libel in the US and UK, and you know nothing about the concept of jurisdiction, so I suggest you either get a lawyer to explain it to you, or stop talking about what you don't understand. The UK's attempts to assert jurisdiction over speech outside the UK and punish it are absurd. They are sovereign, and can do what they want, but no one else is bound to pay them any attention. ANY idiot can get a judgement filed against someone by default in ANY jurisdiction. I can sue you in Illinois for anything and get a default judgment against you because you are not going to be stupid enough to show up. Then IF I knew you were coming to Illinois, I could get your personal possession's seized when you get into the state to satisfy the judgment. HOWEVER, and this is a big thing, the judgment is totally invalid, because the court never had valid jurisdiction over you. If you challenge it (and presumably win) the whole thing is tossed out, and if it's egregious enough, I am subject to sanction for abuse of the legal process. That's the way it works when political entities have ethically and morally acceptable jurisdictional rules. Our constitution prevents Illinois from asserting jurisdiction over you. The UK's attempts to asset jurisdiction here are morally and ethically invalid; that's why the US can pass laws prohibiting the enforcement of those judgments here. I think we have learned from our own civil rights history that just because some political entity passes a law doesn't meant that law is morally or ethically valid. In fact, the law, at least in the US, recognizes an OBLIGATION to refuse to obey laws that violate acceptable norms.
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I am a lawyer, who has worked in both the US and UK. If you injure someone in the UK, s/he gets to sue you there, even if you're an American (just as someone injured in the US would be entitled to sue in an American court for injury caused by a Brit). So there's no oddity about the British concept of jurisdiction at all. All you are objecting to is the idea that someone can sue for injury caused by speech. Fine - but no legal system outside the US is obliged to take the American viewpoint. If Arrington has no intention of going to the UK, then all this will have little practical effect on him. If he had intended to go to the UK at some point, then he was a fool not to think through the full implications of what he was doing. In any event, just because someone has the legal right to do something, doesn't necessarily make it a good thing to do.
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GeorgeAtha 3rd Aug 2009
very well put comment and opinion. Thanks KTS951
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Duh?
dahowlett 3rd Aug 2009
None of this has anything to do with what YOU think is immoral or ethical but about what a sovereign court in the UK decided based on the FACTS as presented in a valid plaint under UK law. As I said in the article: that may not be to everyone's liking but that's not the point, something that doesn't seem to make any impression.

And please let's not even attempt to go down the road of what the US thinks is moral. This is NOT what this story is about.
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Ruling based on facts?
ParrotHead_FL 3rd Aug 2009
The U.K. court's ruling wasn't based on any "FACTS" other than the fact that the accused party didn't show up.

You're lending too much weight to default judgments.
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mithraigor@... 3rd Aug 2009
Who is Michael Arrington? This article refers to him as a blogger and no other background is provided.
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dahowlett 3rd Aug 2009
TechCrunch founder.
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Tech Cruch
dhays 3rd Aug 2009
What is TechCrunch, haven't heard of it either.
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what is what?
Zoli Erdos 3rd Aug 2009
And what are blogs? And courts? Lawyers?
happy
May be on the hook, but doesn't make it right.

Say for instance someone says something against Islam on the internet, and say that a prosecutor in a Islamic country puts them up on charges, with penalty of death. Should they be forced to go to that country and defend themselves? Same thing as the UK.

I can think of some comments to describe my opinion of the judges mental faculties, but I better not post them or I might be liable for libel.
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Precedent
dahowlett 3rd Aug 2009
As you know, Salman Rushdie had a fatwha put on him for the exact same thing you are describing. But that's a million miles away from what's being discussed here. I'd like to think the UK - fo all its fault, like the UK - is a civilized country that as a previous commenter has developed laws over hundreds of years for the purpose of the common good. Whether everyone agrees or not matters not one jot. It is what it is.
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What's good for the goose...
Marty R. Milette 9th Aug 2009
Unfortunately, many Americans seem to believe that their so-called 'freedom of speech' gives them the right to Libel and Slander anyone on the planet -- ESPECIALLY people who are in other countries and who have no affordable means to defend themselves.

Maybe, instead of hiding like some kind of coward behind distance and local laws -- better to instead behave like an honorable and decent person and just not do it?

I've had an American publish a stack of slanderous lies against me to a public forum, and the a$$hole just laughed at me when I tried to get them taken down.

He figured that because he was in America that there was nothing I could do to him from Europe. Well, there WAS something I could do -- the first thing was to research HIS background.

I discovered he lied about his education, work that he claims to have done and a few other little tidbits -- and ONLY when faced with having ME expose HIS little skeletons did he finally take down his pack of lies and fabrications.

People need to learn to take responsibility for their actions -- this includes everything that they write or say about people in public.

When you deliberately go about trying to defame someone by publishing lies and outright fabrications -- you deserve exactly what you get -- and if you break the laws of other countries in the process -- then you'd better be prepared to face those consequences as well.

Why should this defendant receive any better treatment than Gary McKinnon who is now just about to be extradited to the USA?
Who are these people in the first place? Why do we care, except to make sure it doesn't happen to us?
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Law is where you find it
dennisgornall@... 3rd Aug 2009
There is a tendency for each of us to believe tht the only just and valid laws are those of our own nation.

In case you have missed it, the laws of the United Kingdom (Britain/England) are based on centuries of hard work to apply fairness to all who run into them in the courts. The UK may have a Queen but it has a democratic and elected parliament and its own citizens don't feel any more oppressed by its laws than French, German, American and Canadian people do.

Each of the nations named above and many others not mentioned need to respect each others laws.

All laws but the ones we are used to look "quirky". They are unfamiliar because we don't see the overall system they are a part of. That doesn't mean they are wrong. Show respect to everyone and they'll usually give it right back.

This is from Canada.
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dahowlett 3rd Aug 2009
Well said - nice to see someone with some balance in this discussion.
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The UK has ridiculous libel laws
petercooper 3rd Aug 2009
This is nothing new. The UK has what can only be called ridiculous libel
laws that threaten free speech online. The reach of UK
libel laws is just nuts.

Good on Arrington for not defending this. He's not going to
miss anything by not returning to our pathetic shell of a
fallen empire anytime soon.
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Not according to Arrington
dahowlett 3rd Aug 2009
He says he has a lot of friends in UK - but it's more - he has an EU wide issue now. Arrington made the fatal error of trying to make the UK rules up for himself. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the veracity of claims he has shot himself in the head (proverbially) on this.
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Why has no journalist or writer considered writing about the Groucho Club and the 'pre publishing test case for libel' they are taking against a writer of a book about the club. The book is titled 'The Groucho Gate Affair'. This is the worst libel case in UK history and an attack on free speech. What?s funny is that the case is about what could be written and not about what has been written. I read a press release about it yesterday and yet no UK newspaper will run the story. There is no mention of it even when you do a Google news search. You must all be intimidated by the big bad Groucho Club. If you are all supporters of free speech and are appalled by the libel laws then why is no one supporting this writer? You must know, (that is all writers and journalists out there) that the only way to defeat a threat to free speech is to stand up and be counted whenever and wherever there is an attack on free speech. A libel action cannot be taken against everyone who supports the same issue no matter how much influence is exerted over the media. As far as I am concerned the current hypocrisy by the mainstream media is clearly a sign that the fight for ?Free Speech ?V- UK Libel Laws? is over. We have lost.
I love to debate and talk about issues I care deeply about, but henceforth I am just going to be a quite girl and never ever say a word about anyone ever ever again or never ever speak my mind again. I surrender
Leanne
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There's a big difference...
Marty R. Milette 9th Aug 2009
...between speaking your mind and spreading a bunch of outright lies in a public forum with the purpose of defaming someone.

The first, is an expression of self -- the second is an expression of hatred and malice. I'd say the world could do a lot better with less of the latter.
I'm sorry there was no way that you had a "right" to have it tried in the UK! If you were mugged in the US would you had a "right" to have the mugger tried in the UK. No. Same goes for this. The crime must be tried in the jurisdiction in which it occurred. Since this was published in the US ob Servers in the US it must be tried in the US. The UK courts messed up big time and the US Government needs to step in and right this miscarriage of justice. I am sorry that you wanted to cherry pick jurisdictions for the one most favorale to you but if this stands than no one is safe.
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dahowlett 3rd Aug 2009
The plaintiff is UK based - you are forgetting the rights of the plaintiff in this case.
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If you must pontificate about the law, at least get it right! One of the points about cyberspace is that what is said there is not published where the writer happens to be, but wherever that web page can be read. (Actually, there's nothing terribly novel in this: the same applies to the written word as well, if the expectation is that the same statement will be re-published in another jurisdiction.) So publication in this case took place in many places: in the US, in the UK and probably in most - if not all - of the other jurisdictions in the world. Since the plaintiff in this case was in the UK, that is the proper place for the case to be heard. You never know: this might even cause some people here both to think twice before they write, and to present their views without silly namecalling.
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Here is where you are mistaken...
Marty R. Milette 9th Aug 2009
The Internet is a GLOBAL network -- so unless you can GUARANTEE with 100% certainty that the crime (damage) was done ONLY in the US -- then your point would be valid.

But it is NOT.

This is the biggest reason 'the cloud' -- at least in the traditional view -- is never going to be considered a valid choice for the storage of sensitive information.

Even with Google Docs -- do you think they can tell you -- at any point in time -- EXACTLY WHERE your documents are stored?

Just ask and see what answer you get.

Just because you can hide like some coward in your little room in the USA does NOT mean that your 'freedom' allows you to slander people and break laws of other countries.

The fact is that the jurisdiction was not 'cherry picked' -- it was made in the jurisdiction of the person whom the crime was committed against -- because THAT is where he was harmed.

It always amazes me how in so many so-called 'civilized' countries -- the criminal has so many more rights and advantages than the victim. That's just plain wrong.
Why has no journalist or writer considered writing about the Groucho Club and the 'pre publishing test case for libel' they are taking against a writer of a book about the club. The book is titled 'The Groucho Gate Affair'. This is the worst libel case in UK history and an attack on free speech. What?s funny is that the case is about what could be written and not about what has been written. I read a press release about it yesterday and yet no UK newspaper will run the story. There is no mention of it even when you do a Google news search. You must all be intimidated by the big bad Groucho Club. If you are all supporters of free speech and are appalled by the libel laws then why is no one supporting this writer? You must know, (that is all writers and journalists out there) that the only way to defeat a threat to free speech is to stand up and be counted whenever and wherever there is an attack on free speech. A libel action cannot be taken against everyone who supports the same issue no matter how much influence is exerted over the media. As far as I am concerned the current hypocrisy by the mainstream media is clearly a sign that the fight for ?Free Speech ?V- UK Libel Laws? is over. We have lost.
I love to debate and talk about issues I care deeply about, but henceforth I am just going to be a quite girl and never ever say a word about anyone ever ever again or never ever speak my mind again. I surrender
Leanne
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Dennis,

Why in the world would you take the side of Sam Sethi? Don't you realize that everyone that has done so regrets it in the end? The man will do or say anything in an attempt to deflect the blame from where it belongs which is squarely on his own shoulders.

Let me give you an example of the grotesque statements that he has made recently. One claim he made is that he intends to use any award he receives from the Arrington libel case to pay the Blognation editors and to compensate Marc Orchant's family.

Well, on the one hand he is claiming that all the Blognation editors had agreed to work for free until and unless funding was received. Nevermind that this is a complete fabrication that can be confirmed by any and all the editors that are still waiting for their promised payments. Or even by Sam's own admission (on TechCrunch no less) that he had lied to all the editors about the funding status to begin with.

But that pales in comparison to his claim that he would use the proceeds for Marc Orchant's family. See, I created the Marc Orchant Fund and I personally handed Sue a check for all the donations that we received into the fund. As the fund administrator I can tell you that Sam Sethi was not among those that donated. You heard me right - not even a single penny!

Worse, when Marc passed away Sam owed him nearly $5,000 for travel he had pulled out of pocket to cover events for Blognation as well as for about 2 and a half months of salary.

Has Sam come up with these funds which the Orchant family could so desperately use considering that Marc was the primary breadwinner in the household? Hardly. It is disgusting and insulting that Sam, in an attempt to cultivate favor with the community he has so wronged, would attempt to use (and not for the first time either) the passing of someone that so many of us revered and miss greatly as a means to further his own sick and pathetic agenda.

You knew Marc, you of all people should realize that Sam is truly one of the lowest, basest, most dishonest and devious people to ever bedevil our community.

His suit against Arrington is not made based upon any facts nor is his claim of damages...Mike told the truth as it was reported to him by victims of Sethi. Sam even confirmed this by admitting that he'd done the very things that Mike claimed he'd done. Sam also admitted in his letters to Paul Carr that his suit was an effort to mitigate the damage his own reputation has incurred as a result of his actions. Don't you get it? Sam is desperately trying to find a scapegoat for his own inability to deal equitably with people.

Everyone that takes his side later regrets it. Your post doesn't serve you well and it will reflect badly upon you down the road. You should really consider revising what you've said because in the end what you'll learn is that Sam is wrong in every possible way and you'll look foolish yourself for believing his lies.

Oliver Starr
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Yeah, a grammar correction. Don't hate me.
tculler@... 11th Aug 2009
Mr. Howlett - I think you meant that, in this country, you can pretty much say things 'WITH impunity', rather than 'WITHOUT' impunity. 'Impunity' means 'exemption from punishment or loss'. You seem to be saying that we're much freer to make such statements in the US - in other words, we can speak with impunity.

Just thought I'd throw that in there. It's important for the media to string their words together correctly.

...and who is Michael Arrington?
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Groucho Gate
Pierrefff 24th Aug 2009
Tyrone Murphy was in the French Foreign Legion, I served with him and he was a tosser as an offficer. He has duel citizen of France and Ireland, he was booted out of the legion for hitting another officer. Last I heard he was working as a mercenary in Africa as a comms officer. Tosser
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Pierrefff 24th Aug 2009
Tyrone D Murphy was in the French Foreign Legion, I served with him and he was a tosser as an offficer. The D in his name stands for ******** He has duel citizenship of France and Ireland, he was booted out of the legion for hitting another officer. Last I heard he was working as a mercenary in Africa as a comms officer. Tosser

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