Oracle-Sun: an enterprise catastrophe

Summary: Oracle acquires Sun- that came out of left field. Well not quite.

Oracle acquires Sun- that came out of left field. Well not quite. Fellow Irregular Josh Greenbaum talked about Oracle 'completing the picture' with a Sun acquisition back in 2003. Yes - SIX years ago.

Putting on my curmudgeon's curmudgeon hat I can't help but think this is a dark day for the enterprise computing business. Who worse to entrust your entire stack than Oracle, that voracious consolidator of application providers and now, it seems, guzzler of open source and hardware? As Tom Steinert-Threlkeld notes from Charles Phillips, Oracle president's throw away line:

This could lead to, in effect, shrink-wrapped suites of hardware and software for specific sectors of the economy, from retailing to banking to communications. He called this delivering “a complete industry in a box.”

The promise is that corporations will have what they’ve always said they wanted: one neck to choke.

Well, having a single throat to choke might sound like a good idea, but not when your testicles are in the 22% maintenance vise. Or, as Vinnie Mirchandani reminds us:

Oracle's numerous acquisitions over the last few years have not been rationalized and there has been little new or innovative stuff coming out of Oracle (ironically, one of the few is Exadata, a joint development with HP, which will need to be re-evaluated with this acquisition) while the executives continue to brag about the margins they squeeze by consolidating SG&A from the acquisitions.

As I wrote in February "Its top executives are deal makers, not technology visionaries. Worse, when it comes to their acquisitions, they cannot retain or easily replace the entrepreneurial talent."

It is a sad commentary on the state of the industry that Sun's only other home would have been IBM, which in its own way has also become a graveyard for once innovative technology companies.

Dana Gardner tries to apply some sunshine to the event:

Among them is the fact that IBM now — for the first time, really — has a true, full and global counter weight to its role and influence. Oracle plus Sun aligned with Hewlett-Packard (which I fully expect) meets and begins to beat IBM at all the important full-service IT games.

I think he's plain wrong. If anything, the Oracle-Sun deal allows for a stronger grip on IT budgets but for what? Is Oracle really going to deliver better value when it's already forecasting signficant incremental profit to the bottom line?

In our ongoing Irregular discussions, Anshu Sharma (ex-Oracle) thinks he knows how this plays out. In summary:

  • Oracle keeps all the software components
  • Oracle starts selling off or shutting down the hardware businesses with HP getting the first right to refusal - starting with storage (to HP/EMC), desktop products (HP), Networking (HP), Microelectronics (HP/any Semi player) and finally servers, parts of which may be kept back for the "Machine" dream
  • Oracle keeps a small team of systems engineers from the servers and storage business to work on Exadata. This machine is already a partnership with HP so the work could go on with people on either side of the fence.

I'm not so sure. The Twitterverse was alive with musings about what happens to MySQL. See snapshot below with 175 more updates in the few minutes it took to search and snap this image then upload: It didn't take one wag long to posit: "Prediction: after acquiring Sun, Oracle's first move will be to change the product name from MySQL to Larry'sSQL"

The world is cruel sometimes but then people must be fearful if the word on many people's lips is: 'How long before the M in LAMP is consigned to a footnote in history?'

James Governor, another Irregular and co-founder of analyst firm Redmonk wonders whether Drizzle could turn out to be a major data store winner.

Drizzle? James' partner Stephen O'Grady wrote about this MySQL fork last year. From what I know of the open source community, it would not surprise me to learn that developers are looking for another DB home. At least while there is uncertainty in the air.

But then all may not be as gloomy as I imagine. In email, Miko Matsumura VP and Deputy CTO at Software AG said: "With the MySQL team out of the company and the code base forking, there's very little leverage other than professional services. Oracle provides almost *no* leverage in professional services compared to IBM.

Instead of taking a fundamental open source approach which is primarily driven by services revenue anyway, Oracle is moving to a systems approach. This is not a terribly optimistic acquisition in my opinion. On the one hand, it shows Oracle as acquisitive and opportunistic—but we knew that. But I bet there are many forces inside of Oracle who are dead set against this deal. Oracle doesn’t have the skills to pull this off, and if there is a rationale for the deal, it's being driven out of the CFO side of the shop, not from the software product side."

Now there's a shot across the bows if I ever heard one.

As always with these things, Oracle may yet surprise. It's done a good job in making its past acquisitions profitable. Given Miko's 2 cents, is this the banana skin some of us have been waiting for?

Topics: Banking, Enterprise Software, Hewlett-Packard, Open Source, Oracle

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  • only M$ sees it as a catastrophe

    Having a serious and rich contender for Linux, Office, sql & .net gives Balmer cold sweats.
    Everyone else is happy, may be except IBM.
    Linux Geek
    • So it worries you that much?

      that it'll hurt Linux/Open Source in the long run while leaving no mark on MS?

      I mean, why else do you post your silly posts unless you're trying to convince yourself?
      AllKnowingAllSeeing
    • Me thinks you might want to keep reading other

      articles. Oracle has stunk at a lot and now they are going into hardware. I would think MS would be happy with this, in that it could potentially add another chink in the armor.
      TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters
  • Your right Dennis

    Oracle is REALLY GOOD at making a profit. Ellison is a forward thinker, he was the first to use SQL in the 80's while all the other (now EXTINCT) database companies were developing their own proprietary database query languages. He was one of the first to embrace java in the early 90's. And he keeps innovating...and making a profit. Unfortunately I also have used MySQL and it is not a bad database...but alas I think this deal was made...with one of the main thoughts of....exterminating that small database....once and for all...so that Oracle can corner the corporate database market with.....you know.....Oracle. Once you remove the corporate backing of opensource software...the opensource software left to the opensource community eventually loses favour. Look at linux, --ubuntu backed by a good company and a good leader flourishes, redhat not a good company with no leadership is falling behind. Java- backed by sun, python- backed by IBM good language, PHP- backed by Zend, ruby- backed by ...um...who the hell is ruby backed by?...because ive heard its a very good language.... Anyways my point is that you cant rely on the opensource commnunity alone to make a piece of software great and unfortunately I think Oracle has been trying really hard to ELIMINATE mysql. I really DO NOT want to use oracle for my most of my development...That, would be a disaster.
    onepersonsopinion@...
    • Ubunto who? Redhat what?

      Too much crack in the pipe? Where do you get your information from? Ubuntu flourishes and RedHat falls behind? By what criteria are you measuring "flourishes" versus "falls behind"? In the real world, Ubuntu doesn't have a toehold in the enterprise market, Redhat is everywhere. I ain't saying nuttin about their respective leaders, but in the data center the only current competition for RedHat in enterprise linux is -- maybe -- SUSE. If you're talking about something other than images installed, then you should clarify ... coz I don't grok what your saying.
      Trial Software
  • Open source is great

    But it needs to find a viable business model or a rich sponsor. Sun tried to move towards, and make money from an open source based model, but clearly failed in a business sense. First you have to survive, then you can do wonderful things.
    jorjitop
    • I wonder if...

      any of you nutjobs are actual programmers. If you were, it's unlikely you'd be masturbating to linux kernel code all day.
      Phil Spector
      • I wonder...

        If you've gone though puberty yet?! What an utterly pointless statement!
        You clearly aren't.
        randomnoise
    • Agreed

      You know, I've been installing redhat since 2001. When it was let go to be fully opensource and became fedora core 1, I had so much trouble with trying to figure out how to make the wireless drivers work on my notebook, that I dropped that distro. I then came back when it became fedora core 5 and tried using it again. After fedora core 7 I finally put it away for good and switched to ubunto as I had far fewer problems with that distro. I wasted my time with trying to figure that software out. Also the developers were rather agressive and I didnt particularly like their hostile comments regarding richard stallman's switch to ubunto himself. But then again I code in java and a lot of java programmers I know are jerks...so yeah, I generally think programmers are usually pinheads...but they are like janitors who clean toilets....----we unfortunately need them to slave away their lives and do our dirty work for us-----...MEH I now always tell people to ONLY use opensource that is backed by some company with good leadership. No company, no leadership, dont waste your precious time using the software. Life is too short to waste your time trying to learn broken software that has a short lifespan, and then be insulted by pinheads. MySQL is going to die in Oracle unfortunately. They will maintain it only because of current 11 million strong install base, but since it doesnt make the kind of money oracle does, Oracle will NEVER allow it to scale to do enterprise level things...they will send away to be worked on by the opensource community who will scrape and grind late nights to keep it alive. The MySQL community should fork it and start another company to take ownership of it so that it can grow in the enterprise away from Oracle. But the truth of the matter is who cares!....go outside to the park or something...enjoy life.....youre spending too much time at the computer as it is.
      onepersonsopinion@...
  • Here's how I see it - MySQL wins.

    If I were Larry...
    1. I didn't get here by being an idiot so I'm not going to kill off something with a marketshare as large as that of MySQL.
    2. Instead of allowing the MySQL code base to be forked, and have just another competitor to Oracle DB, I'll ensure that MySQL thrives and provide proprietary middle tier solutions that latch on to existing MySQL infrastructure.
    General C#
    • MySQL wins... a slow death?

      You may be right, but you're one of the few with that outlook from my reading.

      When Oracle was circling PeopleSoft, getting ready to move in for the takeover, Larry said he was going to kill off PeopleSoft in favor of Oracle's ERP applications. PeopleSoft customers were outraged. Larry quickly realized the most desirable portion of that acquisition - maintenance-paying customers - might evaporate before his eyes if he kept up with his rhetoric.

      So, Larry came to his senses and has since embraced the PeopleSoft apps... at least for now. I think he also learned a valuable lesson about that incident: don't brag about your plans to kill off products from acquisitions.

      MySQL, being open source, doesn't have those maintenance fees to make its life more valuable. That's not to say that the end of MySQL is imminent, but I'd be plenty nervous about where Oracle would steer it when there isn't a very direct path to how it would enhance Oracle's revenues (Oracle seems to be really, really focused on revenues - :) ). Oracle may see it as a 'hearts and minds' item, but we'll have to wait and see.
      ejhonda
  • RE: Oracle-Sun: an enterprise catastrophe

    Buying a hardware server company in times when applications are moving on to the cloud, is not the best idea. Who will care on what server in the cloud the applications are running.

    Oracle bills for all software.
    SUN billed not for many software.
    Culture clash
    Engago Team
  • RE: Oracle-Sun: an enterprise catastrophe

    As the world is seen from Turkey, no single company will out do IBM when it comes to services, and it is ever increasing. So what's all the fuss about?

    kemalgencay
  • RE: Oracle-Sun: an enterprise catastrophe

    A combined Oracle-Sun does nothing to excite me. Oracle
    keeps getting bigger and and bigger but I see no rhyme to
    its reason. Who is next in its sight? Will it become the Black
    Hole of Silicon Valley, sucking in all that get too close, or will
    it be a hospice of sorts where good companies taken ill go to
    die?
    Civil_Lized
  • Larry the Pirate

    Arrgh! Ye scuttle wags. Larry the Pirate has beaten us to the gold. IBM too chicken to pull the trigger says I, and Larry saw the fear in the eyes. Larry has plenty more ammunition where those billions came from, mark my words ? once ye get a taste o? corporate raiding there?s no stopping.

    Hardware is good for ballast or anchors ? not much more says the Oracle.

    Course java warms the cold heart and softens the tough spirit. Providing Larry keeps enough people to do his brewing for him.

    My?ghtySQL will walk the plank ? some enemies aren?t worth the keeping. They that howl about his passin? only liked his price. Thems will quiet down when they see what Larry the (full price) Pirate be ready to force upon all comers.

    In concluding me tail, know that change is in the air and so many good sailors gone: Ashton-Tate, Lotus, all the good lads that went to the deep at the hands of C.A., MicroPro, Digital Research, and others. Next time ye be at the pub lift one to the good ones gone.
    MAC-Attack
  • Apple for the enterprise?

    I've seen Oracle now being likened to the Apple of the enterprise. Eeek! Does that mean enterprises are going to be served up products that are so proprietry and well-integrated they become dumbed-down, failure-prone rubbish that locks customers into a massively expensive IT stack that is so inflexible customers would rather bend over than extricate themselves from having someones hand on their throat?

    Doesn't appeal to me.
    DonSMau
    • Uh, no...

      That would be MSFT for the enterprise. You know, the company that is even
      making EMAIL proprietary.
      comp_indiana
    • Yep!

      That's pretty much it. The only thing that makes it palatable so far is that Oracle is a leader. If they end up like IBM, then you have all the lock-in baggage without any of the market-leading application benefit. That's when it really stinks.
      ejhonda
  • RE: Oracle-Sun: an enterprise catastrophe

    ya demolish of MySQL will be a catastrophe ...... and
    god knows what will happen to SUN's innovative works
    under the profit freak oracle .....
    thesatanicompgeek