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7 reasons to move on from ageing, tired Windows XP

By | February 12, 2010, 9:18am PST

Summary: Some think that Windows XP is still OK to use even nine years on from initial release. I say, get with the times and upgrade regardless. 7 things

There is no doubt that Adrian Kingsley-Hughes has passion for what he does, and his latest post in regards to sticking with Windows XP certainly made me chuckle. But we have to face facts that Windows XP is now in excess of nine years old, and should have ran past its sell-by-date

Stick with what you know It’s old and tired

That dazzling blue interface was revolutionary for Microsoft and incredibly bold of the company to go so bright and cheerful, almost. But with the temptation of “floating” glass windows, transparency and clarity in the newer versions of Windows, you barely need to learn anything new.

You should just be able to start Vista or 7 for the first time and be guided through everything, and comfortable enough using your prior knowledge to get everything out of it that you had with XP.

Certainty New and improved certainty

Windows 7 packs more drivers in and even Ubuntu has started supporting incredibly powerful hardware, should drivers be written by a community member or the manufacturer.

Newer graphics cards especially, along with sound cards and other multimedia devices will work with Windows XP still, but they also support Windows Vista/7; with DirectX being far more powerful than ever before, surely you’d want to take advantage of that?

Cost Go open source instead?

They said Windows XP was expensive at the time, but for what it was giving you in line with the global economy, it wasn’t bad at all. Vista of course looked bad in terms of cost and Windows 7 is cheaper than ever. But as I’ve said, Ubuntu 9.10 is incredibly fast, reliable and works in line with how you’ve learned to use computers. So why not go whole hog and go open-source to a newer, better operating system instead?

It’s still supported by Microsoft …but not for long

Yes, XP is still supported until 2014 but only because it has been, granted, rather popular. But if you are ready to get a new computer, whether it be a laptop or a fully-fledged desktop computer with all singing and dancing bells on, don’t stick with XP.

Plus, you can’t even buy Windows XP anymore off the shelf, and if you’re unlucky enough to have it bundled with your new computer, then surely something doesn’t strike right with the OEM. You and the manufacturers should be aiming for future-proofing, not sticking with relics from the old decade.

Developers still support XP Developers are going next-gen

Developers have been aiming forwards for a while now, by taking advantage of new technologies in-built into the latest operating systems. You wouldn’t have TPM management on a Windows XP machine, so why not upgrade and get the best security features available (or rather was, had it not been recently hacked)?

So developers, and therefore you who use the software that they build, should be using these new features, whether it’s the latest .NET Framework or the Compiz/DWM software that makes Windows and Ubuntu look glossy and lovely. Plus, x64 Windows XP isn’t too easy to get hold of nowadays without an MSDN or TechNet subscription, whereas Windows Vista/7 and x64 editions of Linux are relatively easy.

Upgrade components to stay secure Or more overall security

I’m not here to debate whether Vista/7 is more secure than any other operating system in the world, because let’s be honest now, if you’re behind a server than your client is only as secure as your infrastructure. Even with all the patches, the hotfixes and the service packs, future operating systems will have better suited under-the-cover technologies which can prevent malware.

UAC - love it or hate it - there’s no doubt it must have helped someone out there. And failing that argument, Linux users are a far lesser risk of attack so upgrade to something open-source and shiny.

Do you really need to upgrade? No, but you should!

Let’s face it. Would you rather be living in the past or gazing ahead at the future? I’ve always been one to play with the pre-release stuff and look ahead at what’s next. Those with student email accounts may as well jump on board and take solace in knowing you’ll get a far cheaper deal if you upgrade to Windows 7, and as I’ve said before, Ubuntu is a worthy adversary if you choose the non-Windows route.

Windows XP was good for its time, but I like to think, at least hope, that we’ve moved on since 2001.

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Zack Whittaker, a criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, Canterbury, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

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Good stuff, Zack
LeonBA 24th Mar 2010
And to think when I clicked on this link it would be a straightforward "reasons to upgrade to 7" article.

I'm right there with you; in fact, I switched from XP to Xubuntu almost exactly a year ago for the very reasons you describe. Once I saw that I could run most of my important Windows apps successfully in Wine, I was all for switching.

I can't say I've never looked back, but I can say that every time I have, I come back with the same answer. Linux has been an adventure and an empowerment. I'm still able to do most of the things I could do in Windows, and even some things I couldn't do in Windows. Switching wholesale to Linux is a heavy adjustment, but for anyone who isn't reliant on specific specialty Windows apps, it's worth a try.
on the Vista pig.
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Nothing wrong with Ubuntu but one ...
mwagner@... 12th Feb 2010
... needs to know the hidden costs of changing from Windows to Ubuntu before moving forward.

Just about every piece of open-source software ported to Ubuntu is ALSO ported to Windows so, if you use a lot of open-source software, then switching from Windows to Ubuntu is a no-harm, no foul decision. But what if you are NOT Linux savvy?

For many there is a considerable learning curve to move from Windows terminology to Linux terminology. At leas Windows 7 offers a smooth transition from Windows XP with a minimal learning curve.

What if you are dependent upon an application which is dependent upon Windows? Most consumers (and students) are not all that tech saavy so having to learn to use an atlernate Linux application (if one even exists) may be a lot more difficult than learning a new OS (and more trouble than it is worth to you to save a few bucks).
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Not the same thing
The Mentalist 12th Feb 2010
Take The Gimp for instance, it runs flawlessly in Linux but crashes in Windows.

Firefox, on the other hand has its code optimized for Windows and as a consequence runs faster there.

However, most Open Source software runs better on Linux than on Windows so if you're willing to take advantage of it Linux is the right choice, and it's Open Source too.
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This is true...
storm14k 12th Feb 2010
I've tried a few FOSS packages that have Windows
versions and most run like crap or are unusable.
I tried Inkscape for instance and it was
garbage.

Firefox and Open Office have good Windows
versions but by no means would I make the
mistake of thinking all the software packages
available on both Linux and Windows run well on
Windows. Remember a lot of these folk develop
this stuff on Linux and THEN port to Windows.
it is automatic.
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I agree Donnie Boy
Ron Bergundy 12th Feb 2010
With Windoze you have to do it all manually - Linux is the only OS that does it automaticlly!
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Finally you say something of value.
The Mentalist 12th Feb 2010
Yes, Linux spares you a lot of pointing and clicking, not to mention those pesky WGA verification issues.

On single click and voilá your Linux system updates without hitch.
updated Windows in years.
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Nor have I, and yes I do use Windows (on a VM where it belongs), but 3rd party applications, each have their own updater, so at times there are multiple update me windows that popup.

Adobe, Firefox and Safari, OpenOffice.org, Gimp (and contrary to what has been said the Windows version works just fine), FileZilla, Notepad++, VLC

It's quite annoying. It was a major reasons why one of my clients moved to desktop Linux (Ubuntu. That and the lack of need for AV and the associated pain and worry
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Chuckle - Get Real
rhonin 13th Feb 2010
and ina real IT environment for major corporations, auto-update IS NOT something you ever want to do.

Unless you want to test those boardroom designed contingency plans......
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@zenwalker
bendib Updated - 15th Feb 2010
I use Fedora, and I just uncheck the update manager box in the GNOME sessions dialog. It's not hard to do. If I encounter a bug that makes me want the new release of something, I do yum update whatever. I do not trust updates. Back in the day updates for fedora 9 killed my install, so I never do auto updates. I's worth putting up with. There is so much I can do in Linux I cannot do in any other OS. (and yes, most of it is done at the terminal.) God bless the penguin...
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It's automatic with Windows as well
Lerianis10 12th Feb 2010
Every part of the OS ITSELF is automatically patched every month.... so there goes your argument down the tubes at the speed of light.

As to programs themselves that are NOT part of the OS.... yeah, you have to keep them up-to-date.... but you have to do that on Linux as well.
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nt
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not entirely correct.
pfyearwood 12th Feb 2010
If any application or program is added by the software management system, such as YUM, RPM, Synoptic, or apt-get, out of the distro's repositories, it is updated by the distro. Only Microsoft products are upgraded by Microsoft Update. I know. I use both Windows XP and Linux Mint 8.

Paul
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re:pfyearwood, they both said Windows I'm
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 12th Feb 2010
assuming and aggree with him and bottomline above that Windows does not need manual updates. I have my applications set to automatically update, but I was looking at it the same way as Windows, not the installed applications
poster said that open source applications were
available for Windows too, negating the need to use
Linux presumably. My reply was to that specifically,
and those open source applications are available,
but NOT automatically updated as they are with
Ubuntu for instance.
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In many cases the security and feature set of XP is totally sufficient and runs the necessary applications. Why shell out more $$ to M$ when you already have what you need and don't tell me it's about security.
The Linux crowd has been pushing for world domination for about a decade now. If Linux was a good move for your company you probably would have done so by now. In most cases that's just not a realistic option for the desktop. If you're interested in switching from Windows I'd look at Mac before Linux.
If someone really wants to save money on their desktop fleet they should be looking at virtualizing their desktop fleet.
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DonnieBoy while I think your WAY over the top,
ItsTheBottomLine 12th Feb 2010
amoung other things - Windows has had automatic update for quite a while...not sure what you are even thinking about.
We were specifically talking about that open source
applications you install on Windows are NOT
automatically updated as they are on Linux.

The applications also run better under Linux.
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wolf_z Updated - 13th Feb 2010
Many applications don't bother with a service that constantly monitors for updates--nor should they.

The correct approach is to have the program check for an update when it is run. In point of fact you can create .Net programs that do this *without effort from the developer*, it's a deployment option. happy

As an aside, I love Notepad++, but it's update routine is broken in Vista. It constantly says there's a new version, but even if you log in as Administrator it never actually *does* the update, it just downloads it.

Sigh. Welcome to the joys of cross-platform. This is why cross platform is almost never truly transparent.
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True but if you only have MS products
Nihon8888 12th Feb 2010
This is true but if you only have MS products, Windows, Office, VS Studio, etc., then all products are also automatically updated by Windows update. Of course this limits your options on choice but so does an open source only option wink.
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Try Secunia PSI for all Windows apps.
The_Curmudgeon 14th Feb 2010
It shows updates for all applications and makes them easy to update.
No it is NOT automatic, but the average user can update the applications easily except for arrogant companies like Sun Java, HP, etc who insist on having their own updaters running at all times and leave old versions of their programs installed.
If Sun, HP and a few other companies got their act together I bet PSI could automate the application programs process also.

The newest Ubuntu/Mint releases are very, very good about updates and are to be complimented on their implementations of the process.
learn there. The transition from XP to Win7 is not
much different than from XP to Ubuntu.

Yes, many open source applications are available for
Windows, and that is a perfect way to smooth the
transition to Linux before making the final switch.

The hidden costs are with Windows.
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Thats right again, Donnie Boy
Ron Bergundy 12th Feb 2010
I don't know who you are, but probally somebody of IT importance at some large company, going on by the things that you post here.

I agree with you there are NO hidden costs with Linux - all free, and all work with everything right "out of the box" as people like to say, and to say that "Win32 compatibility is really over rated" is a massive understatement to be sure!!

I found that Linux apps are far more polished and functional then their Windoze counterparts, so why people pay for expensive Windoze programs whene there are far far far better Linux programs (for free) out there is beyond me.

Keep it up Donnie Boy - this place could use more intelligent people like you!
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Beware the grammar
The Mentalist 12th Feb 2010
Not the biggest of your issues but I thought I should warn you anyway.
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I never had any typing classes
Ron Bergundy 12th Feb 2010
so I'm bound to make some mistakes.
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PlayFair Updated - 13th Feb 2010
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nt
Win 7 is going to change just as many things as the Ubuntu switch would, except for the fact that it would break your MS vendor lock in cycle and save you from licensing fees.
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I think he's DB in disguise
John Zern 12th Feb 2010
Since we (at least I) don't agree with anything he says, his split personality logs on and tells him how great he is happy
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argue happy ?
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LOL!
John Zern 12th Feb 2010
Nice.
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Nope, the hidden costs are with Linux
Lerianis10 12th Feb 2010
Small library of programs, too much command-line only, having to hunt down drivers that Windows boxes automatically download off the internet.... need I go on?
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Don't know...
Dave32265 12th Feb 2010
what you ar smoking but it sure is taking a bite out of your sense of reality.

"Small library of programs" - If you knew the first thing about Linux, you would know there are literally thousands of software packages for Linux and not to mention those that allow you to run windows apps and games on it as well.

"too much command-line only" - don't really know which distro you are thinking of, Gentoo maybe or slack? Certainly not Ubuntu, Mepis, PCLinuxOS or Mint. Haven't used the CLI in those in years and it's a fair bet none of my Linux clients ever had to.

"having to hunt down drivers that Windows boxes automatically download off the internet" - Huh???? Have you ever even seen a live cd or even tried Linux in the past 4 or 5 years? My guess would be no. ATI and Nvidia drivers are right there. They will download and install with the click of an icon. Everything else just works out of the box. Hell even my soundblaster had 5.1 working out of the box in Linux where win 7 it failed to work at all.

Here's a thought for you. How about actually using something before you comment on it. It may help your believability a bit.
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The GUI is only part of the picture.
Lester Young 12th Feb 2010
Sure, anybody can install Ubuntu, get on the web, and do word processing. But when you want to add significant functionality, things get sticky fast. The more you go beyond the basic application package, the more you have to just pray that an update isn't going to break something. And the more you'll find that a lot of FOSS software is a third-rate, buggy, user-unfriendly semi-functional knock-off of Windows software. The GIMP is appropriately named.
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Troll Feeding
voyager529 12th Feb 2010
Is it sad that I've found more intelligent discussions over at /.?

Oh well, here's my troll feeding for the day. I am fairly certain that DonnieBoy is either being sarcastic or is woefully underinformed.

You won't find a single person who has Windows and hardware drivers on their system saying "my PC does everything I need it to". We run applications on them. Yes, you'll find virtually every one of them running a media player, a productivity suite, a PDF viewer, and a Zip utility. Every industry has its specific software though. Most of these apps are the ones that sustain the business, are very expensive, and dictate the upgrade pace. Hey Linux evangelists, do you have an application that is able to process an Annual Statement for Tax Year 2009, and is able to do so for half a dozen users and about 50,000 records, automatically calculating totals, and able to pull numbers from previous years from a SQL database? Will it automatically lay the data out in accordance with New York State standards for annual statements? Will you update it for next year when the tax laws change again?
Okay, okay, that's a bit much, being as you need people with both solid programming skills and knowledge of New York State tax laws, only one of which has a possibility of donating their time to companies that gross millions. How about another client of mine who runs a gym? They've got an app called "iGo Figure" that does point-of-sale, member management, attendance recording, clock-in/clock-out, and several other functions?
How about something a bit more generic - ACT! and GoldMine are both well established customer management systems. Got anything that will substitute on the Linux system for that?

I can go on and on, but the point is that Linux does have its strengths in basic home use and in the server rack. The problem isn't that there's no replacement for MS Office, the problem is with the hundreds or thousands of industry specific applications that businesses rely on.

If there are hidden costs within Windows, I'm pretty certain that I just listed a few examples of blatant costs with a Linux migration. Yeah, a GUI is more-or-less a GUI, but that's not the issue at hand here. It's the laundry list of software that you've never heard of that make all the difference in businesses. Until the Open Source market starts aiming at them, business cases remain locked into the Windows ecosystem.

GNOME and KDE aren't the problem.
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The straightforward answer is "yes"
IT_User 13th Feb 2010
Business systems are as old as computers themselves, and have evolved, morphed and migrated over the years - mainframe to Unix to Linux and wherever. Virtually all major vendors have moved with the market, as necessary for survival, and you can be confident in a fully-functional Linux version (they're in business to make money).

Of course, that's all well and good for the Fortune 500, large government agencies, academic and non-profits that don't have to lift a finger to locate software products; assigned account reps are crawling all over them.

But the disadvantaged class of mom and pop stores are dependent on the Best Buys or Staples or whatever to sell them their first computers and hire a tech or consultant that likely learned their skills on PCs. That's all they know and all they do. Think of this as the consumer-up market, as opposed to the enterprise-down market. It's just not cost-effective to market these people the same way, and the consumer channel (Windows) dominates.

Cloud computing might alter this reality. Since I live in the enterprise world and understand what the major vendors and customers are doing, I have thought of the cloud as strictly a major enterprise tool. But now, through this forum and other sources, I've become aware of the small business market that Amazon and others are pursuing. That can be a real boon, allowing businesses to offload their computing burden and concentrate on core business - outsourcing brought to Main Street.

Still on Linux? Yes. The majority of cloud vendors are going with the stability and maintainability (note - not licensing, as ongoing TCO overwhelms) offered by Linux.

Yes, now. Probably more yes in the future.
Learning how to point to a menu and click, or double-click an icon to run a program? Sure, that's the same, so there's no learning curve.

But how about setting up a printer? Or one of those all-in-one printer/scanner/fax machines? Will Linux support any printer the user happens to buy?

Or what about all the software the user already has, and paid good money for? Does he thow it away?

WINE, you say? How does a typical user set it up? Does it work flawlessly for every single Windows program? Remember, some Windows software has trouble working on other versions of *Windows*, much less WINE.

Then there's the learning curve for applications. In a corporate environment what's the Linux equivalent of their home-brewed ERP system? How about their custom parts management system? Or their payroll? Or the other ten thousand custom written applications specific to their company?

Do they re-write them? Try to run them on WINE? Who do they call at 2 AM when a critical application fails?

It's not just the GUI. Even for consumers, it's the applications.

Until that problem is solved, Linux goes nowhere in the desktop space.
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So buy a Mac.
itguy08 12th Feb 2010
Start at $599.

Has most of the apps, easy usability and few of the headaches of Windows.
easier to install Linux applications and keep them
patched automatically.
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YellowDog works great on Macs...
Dave32265 12th Feb 2010
wink
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That a great idea!
Ron Bergundy 12th Feb 2010
when's the last time you ever read about problems with Macs or Linux here??

NEVER.
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So much for "NEVER"
Lester Young 12th Feb 2010
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For what an iPad?
T1Oracle 12th Feb 2010
That's even more vendor lock in than Windows and Apple is even less security conscious than MS. Do they even have UAC?

That's not just an OS change, you'd have to buy new pricey hardware too.
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LOL - nt
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 12th Feb 2010
nt
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Shhh let the minority talk amoung themselves...nt
TheBottomLineIsAllThatMatters 12th Feb 2010
nt
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Hit the nail on the head
Lerianis10 12th Feb 2010
If you are a 'techie', Ubuntu is good.... however, for non-techies such as my parents.... Ubuntu is WORTHLESS to them, because they don't want to have to learn a bunch of command-line commands to install stuff and do other things.

Ubuntu is a good operating system.... but they have to make the Windows emulation (I.E. Wine) FLAWLESS and so that it always works with EVERY SINLGE PROGRAM OUT THERE.
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Please cease and desist
rahbm 12th Feb 2010
You have already been taken to task for making misleading
statements about Linux. Please do not paint yourself as yet another
NBM zealot by using inaccurate put-downs and FUD.

For non-techies, such as some of my relatives and friends, Ubuntu
has been a boon because they now have a system that simply works,
is more efficient, more secure, and easier for them to use. None of
them has ever had to use the command line for anything.

As for several techies I know, they would much rather play around
with Gentoo or Slackware (but these distros are not for
the faint-hearted).
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Good stuff, Zack
LeonBA 24th Mar 2010
And to think when I clicked on this link it would be a straightforward "reasons to upgrade to 7" article.

I'm right there with you; in fact, I switched from XP to Xubuntu almost exactly a year ago for the very reasons you describe. Once I saw that I could run most of my important Windows apps successfully in Wine, I was all for switching.

I can't say I've never looked back, but I can say that every time I have, I come back with the same answer. Linux has been an adventure and an empowerment. I'm still able to do most of the things I could do in Windows, and even some things I couldn't do in Windows. Switching wholesale to Linux is a heavy adjustment, but for anyone who isn't reliant on specific specialty Windows apps, it's worth a try.

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