Facebook hacked; blame Windows? Over my dead body

By | April 26, 2010, 2:18am PDT

Summary: Jason Perlow today announces his move away from Windows after his Facebook account was compromised though ‘Windows malware’. Good move, or unnecessary move?

Jason Perlow, long-time open source advocate, today announces his move away from Windows after his Facebook account was compromised, causing untold damage to his online and offline safety net.

Fair enough, I can see his logic. But it doesn’t warrant the complete mass exodus from the Windows camp just yet.

Don’t get me wrong; I respect the man to the highest extent. But he has yet to provide definitive proof that root security issues on his Windows system compromised his Facebook account. Though colleague Ryan Naraine, ZDNet security guru, suggests an infection of a variant of Koobface - a worm which targets Windows machines and attacks users of social networking sites - this could be the issue but no anti-malware scans detected anything of the sort.

He runs multiple machines, some in virtualisation mode, and runs on various machines a combination of Avast! Free, Symantec Antivirus, Spybot Search & Destroy, and even what I consider to be the god of all anti-virus programs - Kaspersky (because let’s face it, it’s like a software version of the old school KGB; it hunts the virus down and crushes it) yet these yielded no resulting malware.

I’ve been running Windows 7 since the first release candidate, upgrading as soon as it was released to manufacturing (via university access to MSDNAA). I use Facebook on a daily basis, not only through my desktop but also my laptop, my BlackBerry, other people’s machines (which I admit is a bit risky with his potential malware issue) and the university public PC’s available.

But I don’t have an anti-virus installed. I have a Kaspersky key lying around the office, and maybe install it once every three or four months to give my system a good checking over. But I don’t need one. It comes down to a few simple rules:

  • Don’t install crap which more often than not results in a compromised system.
  • Don’t download torrents; not only will you eventually get caught, but it’s a minefield of malware out there.
  • Don’t open anything you don’t know because again, if you do, it’ll open your system up like an iPad launch day.

Suffice to say, each time I scan my system, I’ll get a few rogue cookies and at very worst a program which looks “suspicious”, but I know full well that it isn’t. I am fully aware of the security risks out there but as the only person living in this house of mine, I feel I simply do not require an anti-malware solution.

To set the score straight, I genuinely applaud Perlow’s full migration away from the Windows environment wherever possible. Really, I do. Since my 48 hour full immersion in the open-source community, I built new found respect for Windows alternatives. I maintain that it’s far easier for a previously-advanced Linux user such as Perlow to fully migrate, and for the Generation Y and students worldwide it isn’t so easy with compatibility issues and university network support potential run-in’s.

But it’s a bold move nonetheless, and though I won’t be following suit any time soon, sometimes finding the answer to a hacked Facebook isn’t always so black and white. At least I survived his Facebook friend cull though.

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Zack Whittaker, a criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, Canterbury, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

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Zack Whittaker

I worked briefly with Microsoft UK in 2006 but no longer have any connection with the company. Regardless, I remain impartial and unbiased in my views.

I don't hold any stock or shares, investments or industrial secrets in any company, but have signed confidentiality agreements with a number of UK and U.S. organisations, whose names I am not at liberty to disclose.

I was involved with Kent Union, the University of Kent's student union, undertaking voluntary, non-salaried, elected positions between early 2009 and mid-2010.

No other company, body, government department, non-governmental organisation or third sector organisation employs me or pays me a salary in any capacity whatsoever.

As a freelance journalist, whenever expenses are given and taken by a company that is not CBS Interactive, these will be disclosed in each relevant post to ensure transparency.

I currently work with a UK law enforcement unit, but this is an entirely separate position which bears no connection to other work.

(Updated: 23rd October 2011)

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Zack Whittaker

Zack Whittaker, criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, UK, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

After studying criminology at university, though still in his early-20's, he has already had a series unconventional work and voluntary positions. He has worked with researchers studying neurological illnesses like Tourette's syndrome (which he suffers from), has given lectures on the nature of disabilities in the public community, and occasionally ends up speaking on television and radio discussing the events of the day.

He first had academic work published at the age of 22, then still an undergraduate, and has been cited by a wide range of publications: from the Huffington Post, Business Insider, AllThingsDigital, The Atlantic Wire and CBS News.

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Fully agreed
Daniel Breslauer 26th Apr 2010
I also think you can keep yourself pretty much safe by simply:

* having Windows Update on, as well as keeping all other software up to date (except for McAfee Anti-Virus Enterprise on XP SP3 (grrrrrr))
* having Windows Firewall on
* being careful with what you open and where you go

I do also have anti-virus software - Avira AntiVir Personal Edition (also free). Been using that one for 4 years now with great satisfaction.
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Visiting some obscure websites is the best way to grab a Trojan, I agree. Still, you need to know that some legit & trusty websites can be hijacked and hide some serious threats (I have experienced that already)! Thus, not using an antivirus with Windows nowadays is utterly foolish IMO.
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Second that
View from Here 27th Apr 2010
And with a lot of free yet effective, with very little footprint, antivirus available, no reason not to be running another layer to your security.
what a load of scare mongering and bad journalism,
"Don?t download torrents; not only will you eventually
get caught, but it?s a minefield of malware out
there." is one of the most uneducated comments i have
heard in a long time.

Torrenting is like everything else in life, do it responsibly and have an understanding of what you are
doing and you will never get a malware issue and you
will most certainly never get caught.

At least your bad journalism and blatantly wrong information made me laugh.
Oh wait.... you won't get caught at that either. I know people who have been doing that for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS now..... up to 7 for some of them.... they haven't been caught.

Why? F I R E W A L L!
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This is all good stuff
rhonin 26th Apr 2010
Let's not forget the basics.

Think before you click.
Use safe computing habits.
and pack a really good av/sw/mw system!

For those; Linux is a bit safer on the notebook/desktop - not once you leave those "walls". Mac is safer as it is not a target yet and not really used outside the US

That said - it is the "think" that will provide most of a users needed protestion.

Safe computing.

just do it!
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Does "dead body" mean "dead brain" ?
Joseph_Proudhon Updated - 26th Apr 2010
From Mister Whittacker's CV :
"student at the University of Kent in Canterbury, UK working
towards a BA (Hons) Criminology and Social Policy"
Criminology and social Policy...and what about computing ?

Maybe your milkman has some insigthful comments on Jason
Perlow... :-D
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Contributr
You can't even spell my name correctly
zwhittaker 26th Apr 2010
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LOL (nt)
Hallowed are the Ori Updated - 26th Apr 2010
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LOL - nt
ItsTheBottomLine 26th Apr 2010
nt
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Get a grip!
laris1403 26th Apr 2010
I thought Perlow's story was bad but yours is worse.

I grant you I'm careful what I do with my machine but advocating no anti-virus software is ridiculous. Download Microsoft Security Essentials or something similar at the very least.

And you and Perlow could try writing something worthwhile for a change instead of utter codswallop!

And sorry in advance if my spelling isn't up to scratch!
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Maybe it was deliberate...
ubiquitous one 26th Apr 2010
...thrown in with questioning your credentials.

I've been known to do that from time to time, myself. Especially when I despise whoever I responded to in the first place.

Not saying that's the case with you Zackie ol pal, but ya never know... wink

lol... grin
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Simple as that.
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Won't solve his problem
rtk 26th Apr 2010
but at least he wasted a lot of time getting nowhere.
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It's not going to solve a thing
Cylon Centurion 26th Apr 2010
Social engineering is cross platform. Windows, Mac, and Linux can all be hit.
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He has solved nothing. The interface that had the problem was the chair-keyboard interface.
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Windows people
steveracer67 26th Apr 2010
You windoz people really know Nothing about Linux do you. I wonder how much microslosh pay's zdnet to help brainwash people?
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Us Windows People?
View from Here 27th Apr 2010
Generalize much? Your claim can just as easily be said for Linux folks. Shame, I think Linux stands a chance if it weren't for fanbois.
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What you all fail to understand
jacarter3 Updated - 26th Apr 2010
is that Jason was compromised. We all agree on that. His first and most logical assumption was that one of the Windows PCs in his control was compromised. While he never found any direct evidence of that being true, the amount of time he spent checking and rechecking all of the Windows PCs was a huge commitment of his personal time. He lost time that he won't get back and gained only frustration that will linger. It is the time he lost scanning and checking all of his Windows machines that led him to move to Linux. He concluded, logically, that any functionality that could be satisfied using Linux instead of Windows should be provided by Linux, not Windows.

It wasn't so much that he abandoned Windows. He did no such thing and if you bothered to read his article you would know this. He decided that Windows needed not to be used for browsing and he could satisfy is Windows computing needs by keeping windows locked up in VMs while using the host for Internet activities.

This saves a huge amount of time that would otherwise be wasted in attempting to keep Windows updated, fully patched and anti-virus up to date as well as remove the suspicion that Windows might be compromised. In other words, the TCO of Windows has been mitigated to an acceptable level by taking it off line, where I might add, it belongs.
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Yup.
jperlow 26th Apr 2010
Excellent summary.
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Windows, Linux OS X does it really matter?
Juergen Hartl 26th Apr 2010
So, next time his Facebook or any other account
gets compromised, he will spend just as much time,
if not more, checking his Linux machines? Or will
he blame it on somebody/something else?
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No.
jperlow 26th Apr 2010
Because Linux doesn't have tens of thousands of possible malware exploits. It will be much easier to narrow down as a cloud-based security issue if it happens again.
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Sounds reasonable
dontfear 27th Apr 2010
I thought it would be something like that, but all the responses here kept missing the issue. Thanks for phrasing it so clearly.
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And now it all makes sense
Timothy (TRiG) 27th Apr 2010
Thanks, jcarter3.
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Right
sysop-dr 27th Apr 2010
It was not that he found his Windows system was compromised but that to run windows you are constantly updating, patching, scanning for viruses and malware.
You don't need to do any of that stuff on linux, just sit back and enjoy.
For those of us who use every cycle of our cpus, wasting them on virus scanners and malware scanners and patch tuesdays is a problem.
And I can put Linux on an old Pentium 3 for my kids to use for surfing email, faccebook... (Ice Window manager.)
Try putting Windows 7 on anything older and it fails.
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It's only too easy to blame the operating system. I used to blame windows for ever problem on my pc - until I built a PC with branded parts then a huge amount of them went away. Ironically, my brother went all Mac on me and commented that he had to install XP on his MAC (as none of the software he relies on to do his job works on OSX) and said how much quicker and more reliable was on his MAC - which points to his problems being less to do with the operating system than the "built for the cheapest price" pc he was working on:
This is not the first time people migrating from PC to MAC have told me this.

Where OSX is strong is that it only has to work on a small subset of hardware - compared to the nearly infinite combinations of hardware windows has to cope with. If you read the latest reports from the various anti-malware companies you will find that the legendary MAC invulnerability is just a myth. OSX and Safari being slated last year for their security holes.

By all means criticize windows for a problem if you know it to be factual - but inference that it must be down to the OS - as opposed to any of the other possibilities (3rd pary software, cheap hardware etc)without proof is a bit naive.

P.S. I have a Bsc in Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence from Sussex University - will that do?

:O)x
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Please be sure to list any and all exploits that are in the wild that operate on OS-X vulnerabilities? As for Safari, who cares...

That will do nicely.
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most people that use a Mac.
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I use a Mac
jacarter3 26th Apr 2010
But I am not stupid enough to use Safari when there are better alternatives available for free.
NT
NT
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switched to Linux, problems went away
tmsbrdrs 26th Apr 2010
I used to run an AV, antimalware, defragger, cleaned my cache and made sure to turn off my machine each night.

Yes, I ran an AV scan every night along with defragging.

I actually had a fairly quick Windows machine, though it took a lot of work. That's the problem though. It wasn't the hardware, it was the software. Your argument attempts to say it's always otherwise.

Recently I fixed a friends machine, a single piece of malware that installed itself and caused chaos to her family machine. If she'd been running Linux, that never would have happened.

It doesn't matter what degree you have or from where it was obtained. When you're wrong, you're wrong.
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Which hardware is good for facebook security?
nz_helpdeskguy 26th Apr 2010
Which hardware is good for facebook security?

I have had a Facebook breach of somekind too...
Could it be because I bought a Logitech mouse
instead of a Microsoft mouse? :'(
Im really scared now! what hardware is safe for
surfing the interwebs?
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Zack you can just say it, Jason's article is a load of BS. It was Microsoft Windows that drove him to linux, he was a long time linux user before that. He was editor for a linux site for a decade. This was nothing more than him (like all linux fanboys) trying to justify his OS. If he was really serious about security he would have went with OpenBSD. So this is nothing more than a PR stunt so he can collect some money on pay day.
Zack you can just say it, Jason's article is right to the point about Windows. It was Linux that drove him to Microsoft Windows, he was a long time Microsoft Windows user before that. He was editor for a payed for Microsoft Windows site for a decade. This was nothing more than him (like all Microsoft Windows fanboys) trying to justify his OS. If he was really serious about security he would have went with a Mac OS. So this is nothing more than a PR stunt so he can collect some money on pay day.
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Loverock's Mom Updated - 26th Apr 2010
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Thanks for the reality check
razzledazzle 26th Apr 2010
Just read Jasons article and I was baffled. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
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The only five times I ever had a hacked machine it was running Windows.
The Danger is Microsoft Updated - 26th Apr 2010
Since I moved to Apple Mac back in 1999 I have not had a single problem, ever. I can totally understand Jason wanting to move off the Win platform. It's called wanting 'Peace of Mind' and using a 'piece of your mind' to realize Windows is dangerous.
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And they are coming to Apple. Up until fairly recently hackers didn't bother with Apple and Linux because there just wasn't the install base to make it *interesting* as that changes we are seeing attacks on the MAC and with all these smug people with their unprotected macs, just wait for the mess..

Malcolm
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NT
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Just keep telling yourself that...
Wolfie2K3 27th Apr 2010
OSX Market share is now 8% if the stats are to be believed. Somehow doubt it'll take too much longer before some enterprising hacker decides to cut loose. If I recall correctly Firefox started seeing attacks directed towards itself around 12%... Not too much longer to go in that case.
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Same here..
Wolfie2K3 27th Apr 2010
The whining and gnashing of teeth should be quite deafening the first time a major outbreak hits OSX... Should be kinda entertaining in a painful sort of way..
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The Voice Of Reason
AEmmett Updated - 26th Apr 2010
I don't normally write on these things, but... Thank god someone is here to question the nonsense that Jason Perlow has written. For someone who has applied I don't know how much effort securing his PC, he has a very illogical way of dealing with the supposed issue. I work in a large corporate network. The network is an academic network and is probably one of the most challenging environments to secure and maintain. The principles we apply there work just as well at home. You don't need fancy firewalls or expensive software. Windows 7 comes with all the necessary features bar Anti-Virus. In the corporate environment, we use Forefront Client, at home, we use it's baby bro, Microsoft Security Essentials. In corp, we dont turn off UAC. At home, we don't turn off UAC. In Corp, everyone runs as a standard user, as do home PCs. In Corp, we deploy security patches via WSUS. At home, windows update is turned on.

I have NEVER seen an infected computer in my organisation, other than a home computer or laptop brought in by a lecturer who has obviously been up to no good. UTorrenet, Antivius 2010, illegitimate software, I don't know how many toolbars, the list goes on. To be fair, we have additional layers of security in corp, but that more to do with the scalability of managing 2500+ computers.
On any home computer that I have ever set up, I have NEVER seen a virus or trojan. If you just follow basic principles espoused by security experts and use some common sense, you'll be fine. You don't need 6 AV packages involved. You don't need a replacement firewall. You don't need 4 Antispyware packages.

Whilst I understand that there are vulnerabilities that the steps above can't cover, being sensible will negate these. No-one can guard against zero day attacks, not even that $40 a year subscription you're paying for. That 'other' firewall won't help when it pops up and says something wants to use port 443. They won't even know what that will mean. If the end user decides to say yes to a UAC prompt when they are download illegal software or porn, well, what can you do? And before getting all high and mighty about security of the OS, what about all the 3rd party apps that have vulnerabilities? Adobe, the mighty Apple, Mozilla, Google. People who ignore OS or application issues are just in denial.

It pains me to say this, but Mr Perlow, Bad workmen always blame their tools...
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Well Said.
PlayFair 26th Apr 2010
Use Mac, use Windows, use Linux, Unix, Amiga, DOS, Commodore 64.

It's all good. Use what works for you. It would have made some sense if JP has simply said: "I am afraid of what may happen, so I'm switching back to Linux because I'm more comfortable with it." Of course many would disagree, but it would have made more sense.

What is puzzling is how, despite all evidence leading a reasonable person to believe otherwise, he blames the invisible malware for the switch.

Awesome.
Read my post above and maybe you will understand what Jason was really trying to convey.

Sure all of your steps appear reasonable. Tell that to my office mate who recently received his new Dell i9 laptop complete with Windows 7, Office 2007 and, wait for it, corporate McAfee antivirus. Does that tell you enough? Not likely, so let me continue...

He requested this new laptop because he needed the horse power of the quad core i9 to complete his tasks as a (world class) RF design engineer. He captures schematics, simulates lumped element and distributed RF transmission lines (direct EM simulations) to design radios that are beyond any commercial application. The IT pros (you're brethren apparently) shipped the laptop to him with standard user privileges. This means he can't attach a second monitor, add a printer, or install any one of his needed applications. Too bad the IT pros are in a building that is 1,200 miles away.

Once again we find that securing Windows will ultimately reduce productivity. We sacrifice our time and productivity to keep Windows "safe" which is a totally laughable concept to begin with.

What Jason said is that he's done with securing Windows. With all of your "reason," you neglect to mention the time and effort it requires of every user and the, now secure in their job, IT staff. Jason decided to use Linux for all activities that Linux can perform admirably. He then runs Windows in a sandboxed environment created by virtualization.

That solution works well for him, as it does for me. You see, we both need Windows as there are specialized applications that cost big bucks and are not available for any platform except Windows. While we must use Windows, there is certainaly no reason to use it for web browsing, email or other web based activities. So we choose a solution that obviates relying on Windows to access the Internet. Then we sleep more, have less stress and doubt and remain, nay enhance, our productive time. As an IT "pro" productivity appears to be a fuzzy concept for you.

Does this mean all of your reasoning is invalid? Certainly not. Does it mean that Jason is inept? You imply such a thing, but that is not the case either and for you to even imply that is base and without merit. Does it mean that Jason and a host of other Windows users are fed up with the platform? Hell yes and you can take that to the bank.
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"Read my post above and maybe you will understand what Jason was really trying to convey."
Oh... Here we go

"Sure all of your steps appear reasonable. Tell that to my office mate who recently received his new Dell i9 laptop complete with Windows 7, Office 2007 and, wait for it, corporate McAfee antivirus. Does that tell you enough? Not likely, so let me continue..."
I feel a pissing match coming on but I'm listening

"He requested this new laptop because he needed the horse power of the quad core i9 to complete his tasks as a (world class) RF design engineer. He captures schematics, simulates lumped element and distributed RF transmission lines (direct EM simulations) to design radios that are beyond any commercial application."
The relevance of this is? Is this supposed to impress me? In my org we run over 250 desktop applications, from word processing to 3D modelling to Visual Studio.

"The IT pros (you're brethren apparently) shipped the laptop to him with standard user privileges."
OMG... A corporation following industry good practice! Get the pitchforks out!!

"This means he can't attach a second monitor"
simply untrue,

"add a printer, or install any one of his needed applications."
Printer drivers and applications are executable content. Why would any corporation allow end users to install unvetted software to their workstations?

"Too bad the IT pros are in a building that is 1,200 miles away."
Sorry, a non-Windows OS would help in this scenario in what way? Should the end user not have told the IT pros what productivity software he needed in order for him to do his job. Maybe they didn't want him downloading and installing a bit torrent client or games to his work PC. After all, he should be spending his time working.

"Once again we find that securing Windows will ultimately reduce productivity. We sacrifice our time and productivity to keep Windows "safe" which is a totally laughable concept to begin with."
Of course, if it were Mac OS or Linux, I'm sure corp IT would just give everyone admin rights and we can hug (not). The same security recommendations & permission issues apply to the non-Windows world too ya know. Windows/Mac OS/Linux all come secured by default. People like you unsecure them by turning off security features and/or downloading things "for free". Oh yeah, also, don't forget all the vulnerabilities introduced by 3rd party software.

"What Jason said is that he's done with securing Windows."
Funny that. He still doesn't have any proof there was a breach in the first place. I remember when I was burgled. I knew it was an inside job, the gerbil (have you seen G-Force), so I flushed him down the loo. (not really animal lovers!)

"With all of your "reason," you neglect to mention the time and effort it requires of every user and the, now secure in their job, IT staff."
Sorry, installing AV software takes how long?

"Jason decided to use Linux for all activities that Linux can perform admirably. He then runs Windows in a sandboxed environment created by virtualization."
Not my choice on configuration, but each to his own.

"That solution works well for him, as it does for me. You see, we both need Windows as there are specialized applications that cost big bucks and are not available for any platform except Windows. While we must use Windows, there is certainly no reason to use it for web browsing, email or other web based activities. So we choose a solution that obviates relying on Windows to access the Internet."
A matter of preference. It's a free world.

"Then we sleep more, have less stress and doubt and remain, nay enhance, our productive time."
Replace this with Sleep more, have less stress, live in ignorance and pretend I'm productive when downloading torrents & playing games.

"As an IT "pro" productivity appears to be a fuzzy concept for you."
Managers of the world, I hereby apologise on behalf of the IT industry for preventing staff from filling their computers with illegal software, copyrighted movies & music, porn, games and viruses. We will cease this disruptive action immediately. The resulting stimulation to productivity will probably bring the world out of recession (even Greece) and we can all hug and live happily ever after.

"Does this mean all of your reasoning is invalid? Certainly not."
Thank you.

"Does it mean that Jason is inept?"
OK, maybe I was a bit harsh. How's about deluded and unable to take responsibility for his actions?

"You imply such a thing, but that is not the case either and for you to even imply that is base and without merit. Does it mean that Jason and a host of other Windows users are fed up with the platform? Hell yes and you can take that to the bank."
Oh matron!!

Look mate, moving to a new platform is entirely an end users choice. They weigh up the pros and cons and make a decision that suits them. 'Security by Obscurity' is a perfectly acceptable reason. The point of my original response was that someone, who is supposed to be an IT professional (Enterprise Advisory Architect in IBM's IT Strategy and Architecture division specializing in Infrastructure Optimization aparently) has just displayed the most bizarre and hysterical problem solving skills I have ever seen. Worse still, he then tells everyone about it on the internet. Even worse, people like you, so caught up in the 'which OS is best' nonsense, defend some of his logic. IT people are supposed to be logical and deal in facts. It upsets me when people spin panic and misinformation. I'll tell you this much, if he ever turns up at my organisation, he'll be shown the door.
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jacarter3 Updated - 28th Apr 2010
MCSE you must be. You didn't ignore my points. You missed them entirely.

Obviously you believe no should have privileges on their own work day computer, only you and your ilk should. That must give you a great sense of security, power and smugness, doesn't it? Or are you just a bully?

"Managers of the world, I hereby apologise [sic]on behalf of the IT industry for preventing staff from filling their computers with illegal software, copyrighted movies & music, porn, games and viruses. We will cease this disruptive action immediately. The resulting stimulation to productivity will probably bring the world out of recession (even Greece) and we can all hug and live happily ever after."

That sarcasm makes your point clear except my office mate is a professional and would not do that, even on his own home PC. But perhaps you're ignorant of it means to be a professional.

Maybe you can explain how he supposed to print anything from his new Dell? You really believe that installing a native Windows 7 printer driver for an HP printer will result in a malware infection? That reasoning goes beyond ignorance to the extreme of stupidity.

Also the nVidia Control applet is beyond his level of privilege, so he while he can install that second monitor, he can't direct video to it. And this is the level of crippling privilege it takes to make Windows secure? That's the first sign that it's poorly designed and secured OS.

You're right; all of us user are ignorant slobs that will just frak our machines. What an amazingly large ego and superior ignorance you have. Actually it's plain arrogance. Your approach is to cripple the user because you must feel that no one can be as smart as you and no one can be trusted to be a professional. Well, after reading your response, it's clear that you are not a true professional because you lack any respect for anyone else.

BTW there is no "security by obscurity" as you MS apologist like to attempt to claim. If all of the source code is available, where's the obscurity? And even if this ludicrous claim were to be true, then why would any rational person avoid taking advantage of that?

When I said Jason was through with the securing Windows, I meant he was through wasting time keeping them secure and then double checking that security on all of his machines when a compromise occurs. Since I manage all of the PCs that use and 2 still have windows, I know exactly how much effort and lost productivity it takes to keep windows safe. Jason manages his own as well. The reasons he's making the changes he describes is obvious. For him like me, it saves a huge amount of time, anxiety, and frustration to avoid Windows whenever possible. But then you didn't read my post above did you?

Perhaps it's beyond your limited abilities to use Linux in a productive manner. That would explain a lot about your lack of comprehension and steadfast refusal to even consider alternatives. Obviously, you have no concern for the costs to license software such as Windows and the anti-virus subscription needed to make it appear to be secure. You do care about the costs to have MCSE staff around to do things that most could do on their but only because it benefits you, pays you, and defines your limited role in the universe.

Thanks again for your derision and apologies on behalf of MS.
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