Have we raised a generation of pirates?

By | December 2, 2011, 2:06pm PST

Summary: In view of proposed legislation that would restrict the web, have we created this reaction ourselves in the next generation of online users?

Printed, traditional media is on a downwards spiral.

No longer merely an accessory to the printed press, or an audio version of your favourite book to listen to in the car, online platforms are now major contenders in content distribution.

With an increasing reliance on online content, a way to recoup losses from the downward trend of print media is to charge for the no longer mere accessory, but necessity of engaging online content. Paywalls for content subscription services may have come a little too late to these systems.


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A thirteen-year-old a decade ago — who is not likely to know what copyright infringement is, who finally having access to dial-up, suddenly realises they can find and download that song they want.

It’s free? ‘Click here’, connect, and download.

Within twenty minutes, they had their prize. Nothing besides the risk of fake, virus-laden files stopped them from downloading the entire album.

But times have moved on since the dial-up era.

Downloading content has become more sophisticated and the means in which to gain data — whether legal or illegal — has changed rapidly. Copied videos are now obsolete, and it’s less about finding pirate DVD-touting street vendors. Instead, you connect to a peer-to-peer network, or you find the file via a search engine or BitTorrent client.

It’s easy. You grab your torrent, and within minutes, the deed is done.

With increasingly tech-savvy teenagers learning the how and where of gaining their favourite movie or TV show, their self-education was ignored by industries in general. Piracy is not a phenomenon that sprung up overnight; ‘cheating the system’ will always exist, but the method in which it is performed evolves with the society it operates in.

Clients like BitTorrent allow users to find content they want very easily. Putting a figure on BitTorrent piracy alone is no easy task; and with the sheer amount of methods available to gain free content, bills like SOPA even in their original, draconian state will never stamp out online piracy.

With the admittance of those creating this legislation that they’re out of their depth — take Rep. Lamar Smith’s comments for one: ”I’m not a technical expert on this” — we have to wonder whether they believe that the general public actually have the same grasp of digital knowledge.

The younger generation, having grown up with iProducts, broadband and the extended use of technology in schools, will be able to bypass laws set by politicians who don’t understand their own legislation. It is highly unlikely that any laws passed won’t have the cracks necessary to allow continual copyright infringement.

But it’s not all about access to pirate content. The younger generation are used to having free content — having grown up with access to an unchecked, digital vault full of files in which the keys were always available.

And then SOPA-like legislation suddenly exists. In return, so does a backlash of incredible proportions, with the sudden risk of the keys being stolen away.

The online community ended up in arms, and online corporations who would be affected joined them. Bills like the SOPA act are an extreme and uninformed reaction to online copyright infringement finally coming to the notice of institutions like the music industry.

But why the reaction? Is it truly about trying to catch the distributors of online copyrighted material, or is it something deeper than that?

Piracy is no longer talked of in hushed whispers in dark corners. People who grew up with online technology trade links in a blasé fashion across email and social networks, and think nothing of sending their friend the latest e-book for their Kindle. It has become such a normal aspect of the Generation Y’s life that not eyelid is batted when discussing torrent networks or the quality of the latest cinema rip.

As we grew up, we normalised free content. Arguably, perhaps we internally normalised, if not moralised, piracy. It’s not necessarily about the cash-strapped students, or the thrill of doing something illegal.

The Generation Y has grown up with streaming and downloading copyrighted material in the same way older generations not-so-guiltily taped their favourite film on television.

That’s not to say that the only option in controlling piracy is to erect the ‘Chinese Firewall 2.0′, now available in Western edition. I would prefer to wait for that Blu-ray edition of the film I loved in cinema, rather than pick up a dodgy copy from the market with a persistent screen shake and the occasional popcorn-munching man blocking my view.

Persist with the legal, subscription-based models, allow it to grow, and perhaps after time the sheer scale of the pirating community will set sail. But fighting against taught expectations of continual free, easy access content may be the true battle.

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Charlie Osborne

Charlie Osborne, Medical Anthropologist who studied at the University of Kent, UK, is a journalist, graphic designer and former teacher.

After studying Anthropology at university, she spent several years travelling and working across Europe and the Middle East, living for periods of time in Italy and Spain. She has been involved in the running of several businesses ranging from University media and events to b2b sales, and works currently as a freelance website designer and mobile development specialist.

She has particular interests in social media, intellectual property law, data protection and online hacker organisations.

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Pirates are/were thieves. Yep.
sagec 1 day ago
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Honey, vinegar, and so on
Robert Hahn 2nd Dec
If ever there were an issue that responds better to 'carrots' than to 'sticks', this is it. While the RIAA was dancing on the grave of Napster, the geekier among us saw that they had traded making a deal with Napster for the rise of P2P networks... something that no judge, no government, no bureaucrat could ever close down. By choosing to wield the stick instead of the carrot, the music industry created its own worst nightmare.

Carrots would have worked, and we know that because iTunes has become the world's largest music store, where tens of million of people are perfectly willing to pay money for something they could quite easily download with a P2P client. This tells us that people are basically honest. They just react poorly to being treated like crooks and hit with sticks.
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oneleft 2nd Dec
@Robert Hahn
these people didn't respond to being treated like crooks and being hit with sticks by stealing. they stole and stole and stole and then complained when they were treated like crooks. it wasn't the riaa that started it. sure, the riaa reacted the only way they knew, with the traditional lawsuit heavy hand approach. but their reaction does not negate the looting that was going on in the first place. their reaction was to wrongs being done to their business. no matter how one feels about that business, they were, shortsightedly, reacting the only way they knew.

we also don't know if the people buying legally now were ever pirates. it could well be that they were the ones buying cd's. do we know if the pirate numbers have gone down? the success of itunes does not necessarily mean that illegal downloading has decreased.
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The question is...
John L. Ries Updated - 5th Dec
@oneleft
...how much enforcement will buy how much compliance, what will it cost (economically and socially), and how much will any of this serve the ostensible purpose of the law, which is not "property" protection, but providing a financial incentive to creators. Note that protecting the creations of long dead artists does little or nothing to promote new creations and may actually retard them (why foster new talent when it's easier to make money selling the tried and true?).

I'm all for obeying and enforcing the law, but if the cost of credible enforcement ends up exceeding the benefits of having the law, then I think the law needs to be reconsidered.

The real problem is that respect for law has greatly diminished over the past 50 years, which makes enforcement of all sorts of laws much more difficult than it was in years past. About the only things that will fix that are honest lawmaking (people aren't likely to respect laws written by politicians on the take); honest, impartial enforcement (laws are rules, not weapons); and a public perception that the laws we have are actually beneficial (which had better be the reality).

I'm not holding my breath.

Reply to oneleft:

I'm not talking about any sort of "Arab Spring". I'm being pragmatic and I actually am in favor of copyright laws (I even obey them). You're correct that lots of people see nothing at all wrong with non-commercial copying of copyrighted materials and will do it no matter what the law says, as long as the risk of detection and punishment is low. The questions are, what do we do about it and how much enforcement is really worth it? Remember that twice as much enforcement won't buy anywhere near twice as much compliance (it's called the law of diminishing returns and it holds for just about anything).

I'm not overly concerned about the supposed right of Robert E. Howard's heirs to be paid for publishing a Conan story (it is certain that Howard will never write another), or the right of Disney to be paid every time a Mickey Mouse cartoon is viewed. I'm much more concerned about the rule of law and insuring that copyright laws actually do the job they're intended to do, which is to encourage publication of new creative work.
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all well and good
oneleft 3rd Dec
@John L. Ries
but i don't see your point. we're talking about people who feel some kind of right to free music and movies. we're not talking about arab spring here.

you may feel that the business model of old artists isn't good for new artists but that doesn't give one the right to loot. you do have the right to not do business with them. reconsidering the law and breaking it are not the same thing.

i've read a lot of arguments by the looters. the record companies cheat the artist, cd's are overpriced, music should be free, blah blah blah. none of them justify what they do. they're trying to justify their looting. nothing more.

i especially love the cd's were overpriced. compared to what? i buy a cd i have a lifetime of music that i never have to pay for again. ever. i buy a coke out of machine for $1.50 and it's gone in 3 minutes. i want another one later i buy it again. shoes, food, gas, clothes... a music cd is the only thing that i don't have to buy again and again. name something else that can do that. you go to a ballgame and you've dropped $50. you go to a concert and pay the $50 and also buy the cd you can relive that forever.

i've never seen a breakdown of the cost of a cd... studio, janitors, engineers, mastering, etc compared to something else. who decided this was a bad deal? the looters?
@oneleft
People don't seem to think that if they don't pay for it cheaply by CDs or download, the alternative is to hire the artists on demand. Good luck hiring the Stones or Lady Gaga for their commute tomorrow morning!

The simple message is that unless the recordings are paid for, there will be little music. The disengenuity comes when people download mainly what the large labels have spend fortunes letting them know exists. They want their free cake for lunch and eat it too!

The problem is that the large labels know they have been ripping off artists for years (with contracts almost as bad as the latest Apple iBook ones), and seem to have a hard time owning up to it and moving on.
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RE: Have we raised a generation of pirates?
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@Robert Hahn

Yes I agree. The first thing is to not make laws you can't enforce and besides putting the occasional grandmother in jail pour encorager les autres, they can't enforce it.

The issue is also not very clear cut. Let's agree the orginal seeder is a thief and the copy s/he made of the orginal is illegally obtained (no he/she didn't "steal" the orginal). However, downloaders and other seeders are essentially transmitting another copy of apparently illegally obtained goods (which the user may suspect, but actually has no proof the material is stolen - sometimes the producers put up copies for entrapment). So not piracy, but perhaps receiving stolen property?

Then we have the problem of access. If some befuddled program buyer doesn't buy your desired tv show or film then you won't have access to it - especially outside the US. Then there's licencing - I can legally watch broadcast programs and have a cable membership. Any program that I want, I can download peer to peer immediately or I can wait 2-3 months for them to show up on broadcast or cable - if I do this am I a pirate or simply time shifting?

The other reason for peer to peer is advertising. Unless a tv show is made for ads like NCIS for example, advertisements destroy the coherence of a show or film and even watching a slightly lower resolution torrent is better than a higher res one interrupted every 10 minutes.

Yes, a carrot would have worked. Neworks and developers should band together and sell torrent memberships and put up their shows. I note a lot of TV stations already offer their programming on-line - especially broadcast shows.

The reality is you can't stop tv shows/fims/audio being copied, but you can rely on the honesty of most people if you gave them an opportunity to pay for this access.
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RE: Have we raised a generation of pirates?
Loverrock Davidsen 21st Jan
@Robert Hahn
The truth is that all i-whatever users are thieves!


"Being on the leading edge is a good way to get cut!" -S.Ballmer
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I think we have
John L. Ries Updated - 2nd Dec
I think there are several issues at play, the first of which is that people aren't nearly as law-abiding as their grandparents and great-grandparents were. This is not to say that people have become overtly criminal (I think most people still have an internal sense of right and wrong); it's just that obeying the law for its own sake has fallen out of fashion. Thus, as long as an illegal act doesn't offend one's personal sense of morality, one is not likely to be "caught" (much less punished), and the rewards seem greater than the risks, I suspect that most people (especially the young) will go ahead. This has been going on for several generations now, has a variety of causes, and barring a spate of outright lawlessness, probably won't recede any time soon. Sorry to say, we can expect the rising generation to respect copyright laws about as much as their parents respect traffic laws, unless we can give them a reason to do otherwise.

A second issue is the law of unintended consequences, as applied to new technology. Certainly when record companies abandoned the old analog formats in favor of CDs, nobody was thinking that in a few short years, people would be able to read and write the files right there on their own personal computers, nor that in a few years more, vast numbers of people would have access to a world wide computer network controlled by no one single entity.

This is not going to be an easy problem to solve, but legislators, lobbyists, and citizens will need to remember that copyright laws exist (at least in theory) to encourage creation of new works and that doubling enforcement efforts will not result in anywhere close to twice as much benefit (the law of diminishing returns applies here with a vengence). Copyright laws that are unenforceable will do little to accomplish their reason for existing.

Finally, welcome to ZDNet. I look forward to seeing more articles from you over the coming months and years (but be prepared to argue with your readers).
@John L. Ries Today's generation don't respect the laws for the simple reason that our so-called "leaders" (CEO's, politicians, police officers, etc.) don' respect the laws themselves and are corrupt as hell.
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55 RPM records
Robert Hahn 3rd Dec
@smulji
I think there's more to it than that. As a culture, we have moved toward using law to modify behavior, as opposed to using it to restrain criminality. This is often cheered by people who think they are helping. But what they are really doing is destroying respect for the law.

During the Carter Administration in the U.S., the government passed a nationwide 55-mph speed limit. This was supposed to save gasoline, promote safety, and make the birds sing.

One day I was driving on a California Freeway and I realized that everyone was driving 65, including the Highway Patrolman, who was a co-conspirator with the rest of us in deciding that "55" was a stupid law and we would ignore it. We would drive 65, just like the signs all said the year before.

In that instant I realized that I was witnessing a huge cultural change. Virtually every adult in the nation had simultaneously and independently come to the conclusion that laws could -- and sometimes should -- be ignored.

If anything, things have gotten worse since. "55" may be gone, but the number of "eat your spinach" laws that have no business being laws has multiplied a hundredfold. People have an innate sense that "laws" are supposed to be about robbery and murder and stuff... not how you dispose of alkaline flashlight batteries. The more of that stuff gets passed, the more Respect For The Law declines.
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@- People ramble on about "respect for the law" without a clue about history. If you did a side-by-side comparison of our society today against the Prohibition times or during the Indian Wars, you would be shocked at how "law-abiding" we are today compared to the past.

The other thing to consider is that law-breaking is tolerated much more when the underlying law is viewed as unjust. The extension of copyrights to beyond the practical life of the work was one of the first unjust acts. Then you add in the fact that copyrights are conglomerated into the hands of just a few corporate media giants, and that those corporations act as a cartel to control prices and restrain any viable competition. Finally, you sprinkle on the knowledge that these cartels used the advent of CDs and DVDs to jack up prices and reap enormous profits for years before consumers caught on to their schemes.

It all adds up to a generation that breaks the law because they feel justified in doing so. It's obvious that corrupt politicians and courts are more interested in gathering up bribes than they are protecting the public interest, so matters must be taken in hand by the citizens themselves.
I started piracy when I was still youngh... Had about 2000 1.44 diskettes for Amiga 500 (still have em). Back then it was all from friends (for me, it was from my father, but I knew he got em from his friends who then were all about 25/30 age)

Then I moved to 486/Pentium 133 and bought about 15 or so games instore. I remember getting Carmageddon 1, Civilization 1 and Tomb Raider 1 as my first games ever bought and they were AWESOME!

A few years later, I'm guessing about the time the 3dfx cards started popping up (man the revelation that was playing a game in Glide for the first time ... biggest jaw dropping moment in gaming history... anyway, around that time one of my school friend's went to Holland to get something called "crazybytes" and "twilight" (no not the movie) cd's ... they were compilation cd's of cracked games and applications... think in the end I had about 40 of them...

A tad later the internet happened (on 56k dailup) and my first ever website was "www.winamp.com" where I downloaded some skins and plugins at 3kb/sec silly But it was sooo worth it happy

I remember I had some downloaded music mp3 cd's back then but not sure where they came from really. Must have been the internet .. can't think of anything else ...

But it's with ADSL it all started.... For years and years and years and years and ... I downloaded pretty much every release the scene pushed out ... I had access to awesome distro ftp's .. was private member of a fxp board (dellusional-fxp) and filled hundreds and hundreds of cd's with burned iso's .... still got em at my old folks home ... not that they hold any real value anymore these days as well, if I want something old, I just torrent download it in an hour or so...

Next on the radar were DVD's... For a brief while I compressed those 1000's of cd's on DVD compilations, usually of "a series" or "genre" .. I remember having one with all the railroad tycoons, one with all the age of empires/age of mythology, one with all the tomb raiders etc etc etc etc ..... made some nice covers for them as well and they were like the "ultimate collections"....

It wasn't untill steam arrived (which I really really really hated at first, think I needed to install it for Half Life 2... ) and over time I "bought" a LOT of games on steam. Currently my steam account holds 714 games and is valued at 9741 USD. I even bought lots of old games that I once downloaded on cd's back then just for easy access happy

I still download games today... a lot less though.. I still check nfohump.com almost daily to see what gets released but it's no more obscession to get it all... I just checked on my drive (since that dvd period I mentioned which is about 10/15 years ago now I just saved iso's on external HDD drives... haven't burned anything in a LONG time), anyway I checked my drive, and I see recently I downloaded Skyrim, NFS: The Run, Assassins Creed Revelations, Battlefield 3, Fifa 12 and Call Of Duty 8... which is really nothing compared to days of old where I downloaded sometimes up to 6 releases a day happy

Since downloading those games I have bought Skyrim and Battlefield 3. CoD8 was just to much of a rehash and I only play Fifa 12 local against a friend, so I don't care about online play...

On the application front, I must confess I never bought any Windows version legit... I used Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 98SE, ME (uck), XP, Vista and 7 so I'll probably get Win8 legit when it comes out hopefully next year... Actually I can't think of any app I bought ever .. I used Delphi, Photoshop, Office etc a lot but nope... to easy to just get it cracked I guess ... that and compared to games those cost a lot..

Anyway, that's my piracy history from the late 80's to 2011... But you know what, nevertheless I pirated 1000's upon 1000's of software titles I don't feel like I did anything "bad"... I wouldn't have bought those in the first place and my steam account proves I do pay for good games when I got the money and all .. in the end I live only once, and pirating games or applications indeed is not going to get me to blink ....

On that aspect, I'm owner of a gaming orientated cybercafe, so I still play a lot of games together with customers and all and none of em have any issues with piracy either (age 13-40). It IS baked in today's culture ... just two days ago, one of the customers brouht his 32gb usb stick for me to put the entire Sims 3 collection on because his mother asked for it .. if the parents (I'm also 30+) of today do not care, why would the children ?
@DJK2

"But you know what, nevertheless I pirated 1000's upon 1000's of software titles I don't feel like I did anything "bad"..."

And that's the problem with moral relativism. People end up thinking that morals are about "feeling bad," and the whole concept of morals gets thrown out the window.
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But conscience is where it starts
John L. Ries 5th Dec
@CobraA1
Morality can and must be taught, but ultimately, it's our consciences that determine the sorts of moral principles we actually follow.
i dont think its a generational thing at all.

it comes down to several issues there are probably other issues i forgot. each item you could have in depth discussions of each. i tried to keep my answers generalized as much as i felt comfrotable doing.

1. music had blank cassettes/cd's. movies and tv had vhs/cd's/dvd's. and the movie and recording industry turned a blind eye and everyone made there own recordings. then comes the internet and napster blows the lid off the whole thing. themusic/movie/tv lost there control. instead of 20% doing recordings it became 90% (i have no hard figures just thru some number in to prove a point)

2. perception is reality. it really doesnt matter what the law says untill your in front of the judge. but when i buy a movie or album it belongs to ME, not the artist not the industry. no one but me. and as long as i dont try and profit from it i can do what ever i want with it. thats what everyone thinks and feels.

3. riaa suing there customer base WAS wrong, legal issues aside. you dont bite the hand that feeds you. there was a backlash and most people havent forgotten

4. in general the music was getting less popular. people are tired of buying a 12 song album with only 3 good songs on it.

this is why cable and satelite companys are worried!!! people want alecart choices for the tv. and its COMING, when the first one blinks the race is on. the industry doesnt want it and satelite and cable defiantely doesnt. BUT WE DO!

5. hbo said it would never offer hbo go with out a cable/satelite subcription. come back to me in 5 years and lets see how that worked for them. i wonder how much they lost to people becasue there is no wy in hell they will get hbo just for game of thrones and beable to download it for free from a torrent site.

i can only imagine how much moeny they have lost had they just offered up the 13 episodes for download at 20$
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@dcox00 Honestly, I don't think there is nearly as much illegal downloading going on as you might think.

Most people will pay for quality content and will not buy something that isn't.

I do agree with the alecart options, there definitely needs to be more of them. For now a mix of Hulu, Netflix and the occasional iTunes/Amazon Video Purchase does make for a cable/satellite killer at a fraction of the cost.
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@dcox00 -- On your final comment I completely agree, and I see that as the way forward. I was saying to someone the other day if only those cable companies offered their most popular shows to the world (at the same broadcast time as in the US) for a fee of $20, I'd be there with my money on day one.
i dont think its a generational thing at all.

it comes down to several issues there are probably other issues i forgot. each item you could have in depth discussions of each. i tried to keep my answers generalized as much as i felt comfrotable doing.

1. music had blank cassettes/cd's. movies and tv had vhs/cd's/dvd's. and the movie and recording industry turned a blind eye and everyone made there own recordings. then comes the internet and napster blows the lid off the whole thing. themusic/movie/tv lost there control. instead of 20% doing recordings it became 90% (i have no hard figures just thru some number in to prove a point)

2. perception is reality. it really doesnt matter what the law says untill your in front of the judge. but when i buy a movie or album it belongs to ME, not the artist not the industry. no one but me. and as long as i dont try and profit from it i can do what ever i want with it. thats what everyone thinks and feels.

3. riaa suing there customer base WAS wrong, legal issues aside. you dont bite the hand that feeds you. there was a backlash and most people havent forgotten

4. in general the music was getting less popular. people are tired of buying a 12 song album with only 3 good songs on it.

this is why cable and satelite companys are worried!!! people want alecart choices for the tv. and its COMING, when the first one blinks the race is on. the industry doesnt want it and satelite and cable defiantely doesnt. BUT WE DO!

5. hbo said it would never offer hbo go with out a cable/satelite subcription. come back to me in 5 years and lets see how that worked for them. i wonder how much they lost to people becasue there is no wy in hell they will get hbo just for game of thrones and beable to download it for free from a torrent site.

i can only imagine how much moeny they have lost had they just offered up the 13 episodes for download at 20$
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@dcox00 As I remember it, making tapes of vinyl records killed the music industry back in the 1970s. It must be so, because they told us it was.

I never heard of anyone taken to court for making mix tapes to listen to in their car, or even for recording songs from their friends. There was apparently a fall in record sales of two or three percent one year in the late 1970s. According to the record companies, that was due to people recording the songs on tape, and the deep recession, and (then) record unemployment at the time was supposedly not a factor.

Now this industry, which presumably died in the 1970s, wages war on its customers, tries to criminalise them by paying for copyright laws that go beyond what most people not in that industry believe reasonable, and pretends surprise when people's own sense of morality does not lead them so much to act as the media companies wish them to do.

Media companies claim that it is the artists who suffer if copyright is infringed. Often, it appears more often to be the media companies who collect rent on something they did not create, who would actually lose, if anyone did.

IMHO it is morally right that writers, musicians and so on are recompensed adequately for producing entertainment which people enjoy. That includes recompense for people like editors, recording engineers, and payment for the costs of producing the media. Today, that recompense is obtained by means of royalty payments when media are sold, which may or may not be the very best way to achieve this, but which might continue to be workable and practical.

What I don't consider reasonable or moral is for the media companies to charge monopoly prices, use their wealth to make copyright periods unreasonably long, and probably indefinitely extensible in the future, and pay many of the creators of the entertainment a low percentage of profit. The amount of copyright infringement reported suggests that comparable opinions are widely held, when people think of the issue at all.

One say byproduct of the attitude engendered by the abusive actions of the media companies is that people's attitude toward copyright may respect the notion unreasonably little, when there is still a case to be made that people who produce entertainment that other people enjoy, and do so as a means to earn a living, should have an opportunity to do so. It would not surprise me if the average public attitude towards copyright is now more negative than a dispassionate analysis would deem reasonable. If so, it is in reaction to the abuses of the system by the media companies.
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Advocates of such bill are fighting against the nature of the internet: even if the bill gets passed, it simply WON'T WORK because there are millions of other ways for online piracy to continue to thrive. What laws like this tries to protect is essentially stubborn corporations that choose remain in denial and refuse to revamp their business models in order to adapt to change in the real world. The end result is further encroachment upon people's rights to civil liberty and no one will end up benefiting from it except for companies selling tracking and surveillance technologies.
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The issue is greater than piracy. We live in amoral society. I think Francis Schaeffer (to paraphrase) ask a young person today to be good you probably get a blank stare. This was round the 1970's. I was raised in the 1960's if anything I remember though shall not steal. In the in the 1970's my generation, the bloomers brought forward the concept of situational ethnics. With our contribution of situational ethics, add a good dose of narcissism and entitlement and top it off with isolation to their own peers leading to immaturity and we get the pirate of toady.
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@Richard B

Aaaah but we did have other beliefs in the 60s, the subservience of women, gay bashing, racism, apartheid and the list goes on. Looks like some ethics have actually improved wink
@Richard B
Our society is not amoral - it is made up of many people who have different morals. Because someone has different morals from you, that does not mean they have none. In the past, people tended to live together in small communities of mostly like-minded people. Anyone who didn't have the same morals was generally driven out of town to live somewhere else. These days a majority of the population lives in large cities with much greater diversity. Some people have not adjusted to the changed living conditions.
Sure, "Thou shalt not steal" was taught in the 60's, and every decade before then. Did that stop people from stealing? Not that I remember...
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A better way of putting it...
John L. Ries 5th Dec
@Unusual1
...is that the moral consensus is not nearly as broad as it once was. This causes all sorts of problems.
"Have we raised a generation of pirates?"

Yes. And thanks to a TED talk that encourages hiring hackers, we may soon be raising a generation of those as well. We seem to be a society that is willing to give up our integrity for the sake of almost anything.

"As we grew up, we normalised free content. Arguably, perhaps we internally normalised, if not moralised, piracy. "

Normalized is not moralized. I do not agree with the idea of moral relativism.

That being said - copyright is a legal matter, not really a moral matter. The moral part of the issue is the act of breaking the law, not the act of copying music.
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Isn't it just Films that have a problem?
peter_erskine@... 3rd Dec
Books and Music SELL (for money) like hot cakes. I don't hear Amazon grumbling about piracy. Films seem to not sell. But I don't know why.
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Arrrgh! Fire on the uproll, Mr. Pitt!
The RIAA got too heavy handed and the production companies got too gready. Technology blew past both of them before they could realize it.
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Back in the day I did my fair share of pirating. I downloaded a number of games and apps all in the name of "I just don't have that kind of money." As I *grew up* I realized that "not having the money" is not an excuse. I don't have the money for a Porche either, but that doesn't mean I have the right to go out and steal one.

I stopped downloading illegally a long time ago because I have a conscience, and I *was* feeling like I did something wrong.

Now.. That being said, I will say this: I downloaded (torrent) a LOT of music from the 80's and early 90's. I bought the cassettes / CD's way back in the day, and justified that since I'd already paid for the music, I have the right to have a digital copy of it. (I still feel that one should only have to pay once for a piece of music or a movie).

For years now, I've used iTunes. It's an excellent business model. In years past, I purchased MANY CD's at $15 a pop for ONE song that I liked. In general, there were only 2 MAYBE 3 songs on a CD that I actually liked; the rest were crap. This is why iTunes works. You hear a song on the radio or whatever, you like it, you can buy it for a buck. Boom. That's it. You're not paying $15 for a bunch of songs you'll never listen to. I *love* iTunes, and will never go back to buying CD's (except for classical music).

So yes.. I used to pirate. I felt bad about it, and I stopped. As an adult, I realized that setting an example for my young family members is important. I don't want them ever to see me justify theft for any reason.

When I was young and pirating, I was stealing.. Yet in every single other aspect of my life I was and am an honest person. I stopped. People need to stop justifying stealing, and just cut it out. Oh, the movie companies are greedy? They charge too much? If you don't like it, don't buy/steal it! If you can't afford it, guess what? You don't get to HAVE it. (If you want something bad enough, save your money up until you CAN get it legitimately!)

Believe me, I used all sorts of justifications for what I was doing. Been there, done that. It all boils down to theft.

Think about this: $1 songs, $8 Netflix, Free Online office apps, legal & free office suites (OpenOffice / Libre), cheap games from Steam, $8 GameFly... There is simply no REASON people can't do everything legally and affordably.

@donniesito
I'm sorry, but itunes is as bad as cd's .... I just can't fathom why anyone would pay for stuff like music and movies ... not when the 5 finger discount is there to grab with absolutely NO drawbacks ... I don't steal in real life but I'm not rich either .. I don't even have income for a own house (living in a basement below a store atm) so no, my money is not going to music or movies yet those are cornerstones and essential items in our lifestyle ... should I be shutted off from culture because I don't have the money ?

Music, Movies etc should be considered the same as food and shelter, it's a human right and needed for a balanced and enjoyable life experience.
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@DJK2
So you're in favor of stealing food as well? Where do the "human rights" stop? What is it that YOU do for a living, and why shouldn't the rest of us gang up on you, declare your output a "human right", and make you do it without getting paid?

Buy a clue: farming is backbreaking work. Absent the return of slavery, "free food" is not on the horizon. Frankly, neither are free movies. You have no right to make Brad Pitt do anything for your amusement. Get over yourself.
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Slavery was abolished. Deal with it.
Robert Hahn Updated - 4th Dec
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Slavery was abolished. Deal with it.
Robert Hahn Updated - 4th Dec
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Make your own music
John L. Ries Updated - 5th Dec
@DJK2
Nobody's stopping you. Matter of fact, it's becoming increasingly affordable to make one's own movies as well. Nobody has a duty to entertain you for free and people were entertained long before the technology existed to record musical performances or plays.

Edit:

The thing we need to keep in mind is that every person's right is someone else's duty, even if is a negative one (the duty to not do something). This is why people should refrain from claiming rights that they are not willing to concede to all others.
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@DJK2 Um no.. While music is a huge part of my life, it is not essential to my survival. Your post just points out some of what's wrong with society today: the entitlement attitude. "The whole worlds owes me!" Please.

And yes.. If you steal music, you steal in real life. If you can afford a computer to download / steal music, then you can afford the occasional 99 cents if you really like a song.

Your post just boggles my mind. I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic, because if not, then I am truly troubled by the attitude you present.. To actually believe that movies and music are on par with shelter and food?? You have GOT to be kidding... You want free entertainment? Tune your radio or turn on your tv (yes, there still are a few over-the-air stations left...)

Good God...
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Well, one thing is certain, we've raised a generation that thinks "engaging online content" is a necessity. I expect my teenager to say something like that. I must say I'm quite surprised to see such an unsophisticated attitude on ZDNet, but ZDNet has been sliding since it got rid of George Ou.

The posts aren't much better. A kid transfers wealth the only way he knows how: he fires up GTK-Gnutella and goes online and takes it. So he's a "looter." The copyright industry transfers wealth the only way it knows how: it fires up its lobbyists and go to Congress and takes it; Congress extends the copyright term again.

That's a looting in my book. Copyright law has been so thoroughly corrupted and misused and used to steal "legally," it's not rational to respect copyright law.

I've never heard anyone even attempt to justify copyright extensions in terms of promoting the creation of works. It's just pure greed made law. (I refer our British guests to Article 1 Section 8 of the US Constitution for background.)

Even generally respect for the law for its own sake is is foolish when the people who make the laws don't respect you, and when the law is for sale to the highest bidder.

Given all that, who can blame the youngsters or even the oldsters for looking the other way? Every institution in our society is corrupt.





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The final blow of this law won't land for several years, but when it does, it will be devastating. Imagine if Boeing had bribed Congress in the 1930's to do something similar to anybody attempting to build an airplane. Boeing of course would be rich, but the country would have lost the lead in aerospace technology and innovation just at the crucial times of WWII and the Cold War. We would be speaking German or Russian today instead of English.

The same thing is on the horizon for the Internet. The US was the undisputed leader for decades in computer and network technology. Now we are faced with so many corrupt corporations and politicians that control of the Internet is migrating away from the US, and US firms are losing their competitive capabilities. The EU has already said that they would never restrain their own technology companies in this regard, and we know the Chinese and Japanese would never do such a thing.

So as we watch our Internet leadership dwindle and vanish, will anybody even remember that it was foreign companies like Sony, Vivendi, Bertelsmann who had a major hand in destroying our tech base?
First of all, the term "piracy" was propagated by the content corporations to try to make the whole thing sound worse than it is. Piracy, by definition, is committed by a gang of criminals who travel by sea. They rob people (steal from them using force or the threat of force), harm and kill people, and kidnap people for ransom, rape and slavery. Do any of these seem to apply to music or movie downloading to you? So the whole discussion is tainted by the common use of this term to describe the act of downloading files to which you have no legal right.
And, to agree with some previous posters, the U.S. as a whole is in its decline, just as every other empire has done throughout history. Corrupt politicians purchased by greedy corporations and people with enough money that they will never want for anything have rigged the laws and the rules to their own advantage, and against ours (the majority). The American people, realizing this, although many won't admit it, ignore the law. Come on, they don't even follow the Ten Commandments, and a majority of them claim to be Christian! Even the most law-abiding person generally breaks at least one law daily, and usually more. Of course, it doesn't help that there are now so many laws that nobody can keep track of them all - even the lawyers have to study for each particular case before defending or prosecuting someone. People in general are somewhat selfish, particularly when something doesn't involve their family or friends too closely. They always have been, and I don't believe that it will change anytime soon. Therefore, as long as they don't see anyone getting hurt, they will continue to take whatever they can get at the lowest available price. Before the Internet, this was purchasing knock-off and stolen products on the street. The Internet has made the whole process much easier, that's all. It's like drugs, alcohol and prostitution - there are groups of people who have tried to get rid of them periodically, but it never works. If people want something, they will find a way to get it.
No matter how much money companies and countries dump into preventing piracy, it will never go away. There will still be private networks and newer software to go around all of the safeguards. I think it is time for companies to realize that their products are too expensive for the average consumer. I do not condone piracy, but I can see the point of it.
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Simply put, what aren't there ways that companies can block their product from being pirated? It seems like there should be a better idea than "Hey let's just ban the internet".. just make them files that can't be copied outside of their personal computers..etc..
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what man locks man will unlock
dragonblack 9th Jan
@americanjoe

the easiest and simplest solution is to stop with the copy protection and allow people to do with it what they want except for stealing it, it'll reduce the cost overheads and they might lower the cost per dvd (although they will probably just pocket the extra profit)
i.e convert your iTunes music to a format for android, copy your dvd onto your computer, but burn it to disc and sell it, upload it to a file sharing site then lookout for the lawyers with the big stick.
If people don't think they are breaking the law by using the music/movies they bought a licence to already on devices they own maybe they will think twice about breaking the law to get the content in the first place but once you have to break the law (and the protection) to watch your dvd anyway you want its a small step to downloading already broken content that you can.
And people who don't realise that your breaking the law by copying (and there is a lot of them) even a tv show off of the OTA transmittions might actually learn the law and think twice.
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RE: Have we raised a generation of pirates?
Home Grown IT Updated - 18th Jan
Copyright Like the patent system has been broken long ago. Trying to fix it in this manner is probably the last gasp by the big content providers who NEVER should have rights to an artists works . Corporations are not now and never can be living entities. You have only to look at the insane law suits going on over prior art that Apple is running head long into to make money off other peoples works to see how broken all of this is. Time to give the content back to the people that made it. Did you know that many musicians die broke and alone while record companies are STILL profiting from their works? I prefer now to see live performances where I know the artist makes the money, and buy a cd direct from them after the show. That way I know the REAL content owner got paid. Politicians are bought and paid for like the shameful laws they have passed. And it has been clearly shown these same people download content at their government offices all over the world. There are copyright laws already that provide you must PROVE some one is violating your copyrights. This is just a "we say they are" so we can shut them down illegal grab. This is not law this is bribed law makers giving RIAA or MPAA or you name it the right to kill off competition just by crying wolf. I don't see one of those retards going broke.......Not one.
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The thing is, the entertainment industry lumps me in with the people who pirate content. I no longer purchase CD's and such because they are no longer worth it for the RELATIVE entertainment value. I haven't purchased a new CD in years. I have purchased a few songs on Amazon and iTunes though.

The RIAA/MPAA now has to compete for an ever shrinking entertainment dollar. I have a choice where I can buy a single CD for $15 to $20, or buy a DVD for the same, or maybe an older video game. They don't understand it and instead want to blame their shortcomings on "piracy".

Start charging what the product is actually "worth" and not what it may have been worth in the past, and sales might go back up.
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There's always been free content. One generation ago, people watched TJ Hooker on antenna fed TVs for free. Now, they've got to get some sort of cable or sattelite, or they have to buy the DVD - and if they want it in a different medium or device, or in a different region, buy the whole thing again!

Even today, there is legitimately free content - through Creative Commons licensing, or out of print public domain materials easily translated into bits and bytes. That there might be some resistance to paying in the way we do for what is current should not surprise.

Apple and Netflix, by making this consumption transactional and relatively low cost, have stymied some of this. But until the confusing morass of rights management, regional content licensing rights, and whathaveyou is settled, the content creation industries will continue to battle an underground that ignores all of that.

That may not be right, but it remains real.
Or their parents paying once is damned well enough for these things. I.E. I have no problem with 'pirating' movies and music because I and my parents pay for a Comcast subscription, that includes those things in HD (yes, we are paying the added monthly cost).

Games? I only pirate last generation or further back games that are not available for sale anymore.
The problem is service-based. Currently the pirates offer better service than the industry does.

If the industry can't keep up with the new ways people are using to obtain their music and movies, then the industry should rightly suffer. They're like a courier company that still uses horses and carts instead of trucks and wonder why their customers are upset that their packages are arriving late.
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