Mac vs. PC: Playing Russian Roulette at college

By | September 3, 2010, 9:48am PDT

Summary: Would you buy your student kid a Mac at three or four times the price of a non-Apple laptop if you knew it might not last the year?

Chris Dawson, resident ZDNet Education blogger and friendly counterpart, considered whether buying a Mac for college would indeed be the best computer to buy for college.

While his points are valid and bless him, I value his professional opinion as anyone should. However the ‘Mac issue’ poses some interesting thoughts for which whoever the person may be who buys the technological bulk for the student needs to consider. Because frankly, more often than not it isn’t the student themselves.

Enterprise networks run the Windows platform and not Mac’s. Universities more often than not apply with these facts and run Windows also.

In my experience, some universities with higher rates of international students and therefore greater budgets, may well make provisions for ‘Mac labs’ as part of their computer rooms. The University of Edinburgh for example have a number of public access Mac machines for students to use.

Apple however has taken over other major PC manufacturers in the student laptop space, such as HP, Dell and Toshiba.

I can also understand and vouch for the fact that multimedia technology students, including those doing film and photography may well get a better experience through applications and hardware support from Mac machines. You can always tell the ‘creative’ and ‘arty’ student by the fact they have a MacBook in their very presence.

But - and here is the big caveat, as most universities run the Windows operating system throughout, the compatibility between Mac’s and PC’s are still not there. Ubuntu struggles at times, as does Mac OS X, because they’re simply not Windows and that’s one of the the simple reasons for it.

Mac’s are expensive and should be considered as an investment, more than anything else. But seeing as the Generation Y are on the most part spendthrifts and technology abusers - with beer, popcorn and various other ‘fluids’ spilling over onto them in due course of the academic year, a bog standard laptop bought each year for three years makes up the cost of a basic MacBook.

So unless you buy the Mac yourself, as a student and not as a parent, then you should be fine provided you are careful with it. Get a cheap laptop with Windows included - or convert a free Windows Server edition to a desktop, client operating system. Otherwise, you’ll be playing a constant game of Russian Roulette with your money every time you even go near it.

Would you buy your student kid a Mac at three or four times the price of a non-Apple laptop if you knew it might not last the year?

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RE: Mac vs. PC: Playing Russian Roulette at college
FAULKNE 13th Oct
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I hope people take your advice, for their sake.
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@olePigeon
Why?
I bought my son a 500$ Toshiba with WIn7.
Thank god!
It wasn't more than 4 months and someone literally ran over him (running) and it all went flying.
$500 is easier to replace than a Mac.....

And to head off the fan-boys; it's Win7 and it just works.
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@zenwalker

Agreed. My Windows 7 computers just work every single time I have to replace something, which isn't often.
Heck, half the time I can just plug-in, boot up, and Windows 7 installs all the drivers for the thing itself and it's the latest version of the drivers as well.

Mac's are too expensive for what you are getting and Linux PC's are too 'techie' for the average person to use. Heck, even as a techie myself, I run from Linux lately after finding out that it is NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to get it working with some laptop wireless cards.
@zenwalker Second all of that.
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@olePigeon

Actually, buying a dated Mac has thus far been a better investment for me than most of the PCs my fellow students have bought.

I own four Macs: iMac G4 (2002), PowerBook G3 Pismo (2000), iBook G3 (1999, mmm, tangerine), and PowerBook 180 (1992-1994). The lot of them cost sub-$1000. The only times I have ever had to use a Windows PC for college work are when I was taking a course on MS Office 2007 (and even then I got away with using Office 08 much of the time) and now that I'm taking a programming course for PCs.

The older Macs aren't nearly as big a target for thieves, are tougher than your average PC, and are even cheaper than most PCs. Did I mention my PowerBook G3 has a ten-hour battery life?

Just my 2c.
@zenwalker; @Lerianis10

I'm not arguing against buying a PC, I'm just stating that the Blogger is misinformed and his information is outdated. There is no risk buying a Mac for use at any university or college.

His main points are just flat out wrong.

* Enterprise platforms may run on Windows, but OS X integrates with ActiveDirectory, Windows file sharing services, etc. Not to mention you can just simply run Windows on a Mac.

* His assumption that you can single out Mac users as artsy and creative is doubly wrong. Take a look in any computer science class room. Before Apple moved to OS X, it was probably 99% PCs running Windows, Linux, or UNIX. Now if you walk into a computer science class, you're going to see probably a good 25% of those computers are Macs. With a Mac you can run all the major development suites for all the major operating systems.

There's a good chance that computer science and applied science students will be using Macs, not just the creative and artsy students.

* Macs are more expensive, but they're a good value; they also have an exceptionally high resale value. According to Consumer Reports, Macs have fewer returns for hardware problems (higher quality), their users are more satisfied with the product, and Apple's customer support has continuously outperformed any other company.

The one point I do agree with is carelessness. A Mac is more expensive, so if you just want to give you kid a computer that he or she can pretty much throw away and you can replace 3 or 4 times, then yes, a bargain PC will be worth it.
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My Mac runs more and better software than a PC. It can run windows when it has to (seldom) and be a Mac the rest of the time. Why settle for less, unless you can't afford it. If you are short money just buy a used Mac instead.
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Zack's got it all wrong
i8thecat 8th Sep 2010
I believe Chris Dawson does K-12... And while I do believe most K-12 schools run windows servers, it's totally irrelevant... Macs connect to anything... When it comes to Universities/College, (my world), more and more are going Mac in the server rooms... But that too is totally irrelevant... Macs connect to anything... Regardless of that, even the diehard stuck in the past windows universities are Mac friendly (offering students Mac versions of software alongside the windows versions).

Zack's argument that if a person is a total klutz/slob, they should go with a cheap product is a valid argument... But people also tend to be more protective of something they value... They treat it better, they like it more, and they are more likely to take care of it. And here's the real kicker, they are more likely to use it.

So, say your kid is getting ready to go off to college (mine is almost there), what are you going to get them? A computer they want and desire, or a hunk of carp windows PC they would rather leave in the dorm?

The fact is that kids want Macs, not PCs... (Granted they may tell some of you loser parents that they prefer windows... Just to keep you from getting all butt hurt). If you want a reality check, just do what I do 5 days a week, stroll through a college campus and either look around or talk to a few kids.

And for all you out of touch, Mac hater parents out there... You're kids already know you don't have a grasp on reality.... The more Mac hate you show, the more credibility you lose.
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@HiramWalker
My Mac runs more and better software than a PC. It can run windows when it has to (seldom) and be a Mac the rest of the time. Why settle for less, unless you can't afford it. If you are short money just buy a used Mac instead.

Hiram - I not only doubt that, I know that.
After a hard day at school, my son loves to boot up some of his favorites games which ARE NOT OUT for the Mac. and they don't run in Win on Mac.

All work and no play.... etc....
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@olePigeon
His assumption that you can single out Mac users as artsy and creative is doubly wrong. Take a look in any computer science class room. Before Apple moved to OS X, it was probably 99% PCs running Windows, Linux, or UNIX. Now if you walk into a computer science class, you're going to see probably a good 25% of those computers are Macs. With a Mac you can run all the major development suites for all the major operating systems.
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@olePigeon
Maybe this is a Signs to make the change? PC has been wonderful, but we can only see the rapid growth as a sign of improvement.
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Owning an iWhatNot makes my naked body look like a shiny Emperor, or so it goes.
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@LBiege - Don't forget 'creative' and 'arty'.

I'm gonna puke.
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@LBiege ....i like you lol
@LBiege Great article! Thanks for sharing, I'm glad to see such a strong response to the community!
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Most students need battery life.
ashdude 3rd Sep 2010
@NonZealot And most PC's just don't have the stamina of a Mac. 8 hours on one charge is hard to beat.
@ashdude

Stamina? LMAO!

While doing nothing, my Dell Studio i7 8GB DDR3 RAM also gives me 8+ hours on one charge. Now do some serious compiles, or play some intense games, (oh I forgot Macs do not play real games) and it becomes a different matter. Doing nothing simply means cruising the Internet, emailing, typing some Word document or doing some Excel spreadsheet. Heh, I can also do better on all aspects with a thowaway Asus eee 10" Netbook 1GB RAM 160GB HDD for $240 @ tigerdirect or newegg.
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@ashdude I agree; unless you have a netbook, Mac's have pretty good battery life in my opinion.
@ashdude Amen to that! Whatever drawbacks Apple computers have is much more than made up for by the substantial advantages. Solar Powered Outdoor Lights
@NonZealot Just a little real life experience! Both of my daughters had Windows laptops when they started college. Being a bit computer savvy, they came to me whenever they had problems. It was a great way to keep in touch with them! Now they both have macbooks and my phone definitely rings less wink
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I totally agree.
ashdude 4th Sep 2010
@scijammer Until Microsoft replaces the Windows registry with something a little less prone at breaking, we will always see stories like this. Mac OSX doesn't use a registry, so you can install as much crap on a Mac as you feel like without any worries.
@scijammer (to the hit and run poster) Yes, it's anecdotal! Not trying to imply anything else. I might add though that I'm 64 year old electrical engineer with 12 patents under my belt and have experience running and programing windows,UNIX LINUX systems for over 25 years I have found Windows (at least prior to Windows 7) to be a useful but relatively unreliable system, plagued with malware and viruses, that require constant scanning to achieve a decent level of reliability. Wonder what experience you base your opinions on ? Also I'm not a Mac fan, I'm a LINUX fan.
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Stop visiting those porn sites
Michael Alan Goff 4th Sep 2010
@scijammer

I have been using Windows for over 10 years. Never had a problem, not even with ME. I guess I'm just magical, or my own Antivirus program.

I have to question your education if you have so many problems running Windows.
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RE: Mac vs. PC: Playing Russian Roulette at college
tonymcs@... Updated - 5th Sep 2010
@scijammer

Gee, my stepdaughter had been using Windows since the age of 3. I was suprised when at 11, she said she was failing computer studies, until I found that her private school had a deadly Mac lab.

It's like saying screw the rest of the world with car interfaces, let's put the wheel where you're foot is and brake with your hand - it works, but learning it just isn't worth it.

If you want your daughters to do so little, I agree Macs are for them, but I'd prefer my daughter to be using the tools the rest of the world uses and to have some software options rather than the cul-de-sac of Apple software.
@cayble

Funny thing is, I had the same experience with the Dell Latitude D800 I bought for my daughter in 2004, when she went off to college. I was also her IT guy, and the thing never worked all that well. It was replaced in 2006 by a MacBook, which saw her through the rest of college, as well as grad school.

"The whole world of enterprise runs off of Windows..."

Maybe so, but they spend a lot of money on IT to keep it running.
@scijammer
You missed the point. Everyone would have more problems with their first laptops, than their second ; its the way we humans learn. Just because their first laptops happened to be Windows, and their next ones Mac doesn't prove your point.
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Yeah well, that's cause
Peter Perry 6th Sep 2010
@scijammer They couldn't figure out how to use them and you being PC Savy they probably counted you useless as well (just like some of us do).
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Because they are true
Bruizer 6th Sep 2010
@Cayble

Sometimes, the simple answers really are the right answers.
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@tonymcs
Bruizer 6th Sep 2010
To bad you picked an obscure OS at home and as a result your daughter fell behind. Windows is good if you want to play or learn about AV (as in anti virus) software but not as good if you just want the OS out the way to do real work.

Good to hear your daughters school is using a modern OS.
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@scijammer Haha, talk about a silver lining! To be fair, whenever my mum calls me she always ends up asking me some PC related problem happy
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@msalzberg True; though I wonder how much it would cost to maintain a Mac network? (I'm thinking training time to get Windows users especially up to date with the new layouts etc.)
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So get your own Mac
Ken_z 8th Sep 2010
@scijammer

And you can video conference with iChat - multiple users can get all of you together at once.
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fgjndg Updated - 7th Sep 2010
@NonZealot
I grow up with PC so I always go with PC and most of the software that I use is always compatible with PC.
@NonZealot Chris, it's no wonder they are such a successful company with that sort of customer service. If only other Educational Systems providers would take a leaf out of their book. Mentioning no names.
@NonZealot There have been fully implemented resource planning applications out there for years and years that pull everything under one umbrella. One of the best on the market is a product called SM-Plus, developed by a company called Single Source Systems just outside Indianapolis. Apparently NetSuite didn't bother to actually look at the market before declaring they came up with something new and innovative.
@NonZealot I'm not surprised the apple turnover with good pay that makes the ipod. Finca Mallorca
@NonZealot i also like the post. Great;-)
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They are $1000
ctunk 3rd Sep 2010
Any other laptop is going to break if you spill pop in it, crap on it, and pi$$ on it after getting drunk you dumb a$$. Seriously, dude...this has to have been the dumbest article ever posted and that is saying something coming from the idiots at ZDNET--Mac and Windows supporters. You are all a bunch of clowns but this story had to take the cake!

The point of your article should simply be ," Don't buy anything nice if you are in college because college kids are too big of morans to keep anything nice" I disagree with that sentiment but I am glad you feel comfortable with that assessment.

Why not say "Macs or any laptop that is over $1000" if that is truly your point. Because as far as durablity Macbooks are made like Mac Trucks! I have carried mine everyday for 3 years and everything works like brand new...which I can't say about other models that would have lids not open. Keys pop off, etc. What a dumb article.

And I disagree completely. You will have a more enjoyable college experience and be more productive if you have better tools. Whether that is a nice Windows Laptop or Macbook. Once again, many many many many pc/windows laptops outprice the highest end Macbook!! So...again..I do not even understand your point about making it about a Mac!

And ughh...umm...buy a platic cover and keyboard cover. PROBLEM SOLVED. Idiot........
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So is the Mac.
ye 3rd Sep 2010
@ctunk: Any other laptop is going to break if you spill pop in it, crap on it, and pi$$ on it after getting drunk you dumb a$$.

Mac laptops are not as tough as their unibody construction would have you believe.
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@ye

Try a polycarbonate Mac. Seriously, I've dropped my old iBook several times, yet it just keeps chugging.
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How stupid a comment is that?
Bruizer 6th Sep 2010
@ye

If you puke on your laptop, as Zak implies all college kids will, it has nothing to do with unibody construction.
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@Bruizer I didn't say 'vomit' per se...
@ctunk

I think the point was whether you have a Mac or a PC when you break it your going to have to replace it by shelling out the dough again which will be way more expensive to keep buying Macs than PCs.
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