Windows 8 necessities: Fast startup, tablet support and 'Aero 2.0'

By | April 11, 2011, 5:07am PDT

Summary: Two features you need and one you want dominated last week’s poll. But as Windows 8 is built on previous operating systems, what about the problem of ‘Windows rot’?

From the poll taken last week, it seems you want and need three crucial things in the upcoming next-generation operating system, Windows 8.

You can find the full results of the poll back on the original post, but three things shone out above the rest: fast startup times and tablet support; and a want rather than a need, a new user interface aesthetic dubbed ‘Aero 2.0′.

This was particularly interesting as it seemed more people were interested in the consumer feature-focused side of Windows 8, rather than the enterprise, security or additional functionality like an application store or networking diagnostics.

It was noted in the comments section that some were ready and waiting for the need to re-install the operating system, and to reinstate files and applications as a crucial function needed for Windows 8 users.

‘Windows rot’ is the build-up of unnecessary files, registry entries and other clutter that is generated on the operating system over time, and ultimately slows down the computer. Some believe it is merely a myth, whereas I personally am fully aware of the slow-down process Windows users suffer after six months of running.

If Windows rot does in fact exist, and exists in all versions of the operating system, who is to say that Windows 8 will be immune? It won’t, as it is built upon from prior versions; thus the same problems will all but inevitably exist.

If we are to see a simple wipe-and-restore slash ’system recovery’ feature, where one can wipe the slate clean and reinstall your applications from the application store – linked in with cloud based user profiles with files and folders synchronised from the cloud, this could offer reprieve for those who reinstall every six months or so.

Regarding tablet support, there is already no doubt that Microsoft is working on making Windows 8 not only compatible but also to run well and efficiently on tablet devices, aimed at rivalling the work of Apple in the dominant iPad marketshare.

With a Windows application store heading to the likes of Windows 8, and perhaps even earlier versions of Windows, tablets running Windows 8 will also need to run Windows Phone 7 applications, along with regular but albeit slimmed down desktop programs.

With the BlackBerry PlayBook having cross-OS support by bringing Android applications to the long-awaited iPad competitor, the tablet segment for Windows 8 is wanted by users - according to the poll - but seem unlikely to take off.

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Zack Whittaker, a criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, Canterbury, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

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(Updated: 23rd October 2011)

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RE: Windows 8 necessities: Fast startup, tablet support and 'Aero 2.0'
draymis 12th Apr 2011
@BillDem
Amen! I think the answer already exists however, it's called EFI. My MacPro with SSD boots in under 25sec.
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Windows Phone 7 is now dead. Long live Windows 8
gjafg Updated - 11th Apr 2011
I feel sorry for anyone who just bought a Windows Phone 7 handset, as it won't be able to run Windows 8 next year.

Microsoft will need the same OS for both phones and tablets. There is no way around that fact. Both need to run current Windows Phone 7 (Silverlight) apps and the same Metro interface.

There's no room in this scenario for Windows Phone 7. Rest in peace, next to your Kin.
@zndac

MS would like to have a common codebase across their lineup.

Reality is the Phone 7 code base will hang around for at least 3 more years. They will be able to get Windows 8 running on tablets well enough, but phones is still difficult for the time being.

Which is why, you know, they are working on WP8.
@SlithyTove: so the common codebase is no good.
working Arm implementation. Windows 8 tablets will still be more expensive, hotter, heavier, inappropriate UI. Windows 8 phones will be a complete non-starter.
@DonnieBoy You sound scared!
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Everybody is trembling in anticipation of Windows 8 on cell phones and tablets!!!!!!!!!!
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Firstly a new UI is only a six month project for a company like Microsoft or Google for that matter. Secondly there is no inherent reason that Windows 8 OS ported to ARM would use a great deal more power than Windows CE does.
to release Vista. So, if you think they will suddenly be able to do a major re-write with new UI, support for new processor architecture in a matter of months, that is an "interesting" opinion.

The clock is ticking . . . . . .
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mikroland Updated - 18th Apr 2011
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Yep, glad I didn't buy one
Bit-Smacker 11th Apr 2011
@zndac I agree. People don't want a limited OS on hardware that's fast enough to run a full OS.

Also, not everyone likes the idea of being forced to load their apps from a stupid app store. I want the freedom to choose exactly how I purchase, install, back-up, and restore apps on MY device. If everyone liked being told what they're allowed to do with what they own, they'd all own an iThing.
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jlundq8578@... 11th Apr 2011
@BitSmacker
@BitSmacker I agree. Also don't see any validity in the Windows 7 phone is dead argument. I think MS and Apple innovate in their own way anyway, and regardless of how much the Apple club stock is, or how much MS fails in certain areas, MS still owns a vast majority of earth's computers, be they PCs, tablets, etc for decades.
@zndac Where is your source for this supposition? Do you also assume units shipped with Android 2.2 can't run 3.0? I'm absolutely sure that as long as the cpu can manage the code, then the OS will run, and MS has not released any info to the contrary, WP8 could be a vista-Win8 analogy for all we know, unless you can prove otherwise?
We'll see how OEMs can handle fast startup. Them installing all the junkware they can find into brand new machines has to stop now.

Microsoft needs to fix this.
@Cylon Centurion 0005
Microsoft only cares about cash, not about customers. They don't listen to customers. Dude, ever heard of Mac and Linux? Both OS X and Linux are way better than Windows
@shellcodes_coder
Well Linux is good beyond doubt. But Mac...you shoudl be kidding. Their UI and keyboard layout sucks big time. MAC has it's selling market only in the US. And I have had my share of time with MAC crashes and their customer service. On desktops MS is Gold. They have to take care of the security aspect for sure. And that's where MAC and Linux has some advantage. But if MS does decides to do things like MAC (by not allowing anything to run on their PC and control everything from top to bottom) then perhaps OS will be come more secure. But for now, I enjoy all 3 in their respective domains
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Fanboy much????????
jlundq8578@... 11th Apr 2011
@shellcodes_coder
@Cylon Centurion 0005 Amen. Get rid of the OEM crap.

The sad thing is, Windows is only half the problem with slow-booting PCs. The BIOS on my 1 year old motherboard is responsible for over half of the boot delay on my PC. Windows could have zero boot time and my system still wouldn't start up fast enough. Microsoft really needs to develop a new instant-boot BIOS standard for manufacturers to follow in order to optimize machine boot times.
@BillDem You oughta try a light Linux. Puppy, Bodhi, XFCE. Half the time of Windows, and 10 seconds to shut down.
@BillDem
EFI is supposed to correct that issue.
@BillDem
Amen! I think the answer already exists however, it's called EFI. My MacPro with SSD boots in under 25sec.
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No.. No.. No..!
Wolfie2K3 11th Apr 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005
Dell, HP, Acer, Asus, Sony and their respective sub-brands need to stop putting crapware on new systems. What the OEM does with the OS Microsoft supplies is up to them.

For Microsoft to interfere with that, they'd be risking the DOJ and EUC coming down on them with a few hundred tons of bricks. And I don't see them willingly giving them a few billion dollars each to make them go away.
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Windows rot?
OhTheHumanity 11th Apr 2011
Are we still talking about this. I would like to inform many that its more like "user rot" or "bad app rot". I have many systems running windows and the users are not allowed to change anything on the systems or add any software they want and those systems stay working day in and day out without issue. They do not get slower, faster, fussier, or anything like that. I would say if I can have this experience accross hundreds of desktops that windows rot can rest soley with the user and what they do to their systems.
@OhTheHumanity
I agree. It's peoples lack of knowledge that does them in. But on the flip side Windows was designed for computer novice and so such issues are bound to show up from apps and other rots. Who should take care of it - OS, individual, organization,.....????
computer professionals.
@DonnieBoy
What OS would you recommend? I am a computer professional so I have no problem with windows. This is just a funny story for anyone who cares. I heard all the talk from Google that they would make a better OS than MS. So I installed it. Everything installed and looked good. Then I try to connect using my built in wifi device. Guess what no wifi installed?? Yes this was much easier than MS. I did so digging and the installed found the device but I guess there are no drivers for it on the install disk. So Now I need to search for Linux drivers for an HP touch smart.

By the way if anyone out there knows where I can find this please let me know as I really would like to test Chrome OS.
evalute it. I assume that they will eventually have a generic, but less secure version for older computers that do not have the hardware features that ChromeOS needs to implement all of the security features.

A project you might find of interest is native client:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_client
download the beta.
@OhTheHumanity
I know its nice to lock PCs down and nothing bad will ever happen, but at the end of the day, that represents a very small portion of the market. its a problem that needs fixed. Nazism only goes so far.
@burtonrodman@...
Sorry but just giving an example of windows systems that don't need fixing from so-called "rot". Yeah its whatever you want to call it, but my job is not to pander to others with their wants and needs, but to keep our system running each and every day with minimal support at all. It saves money, it saves time, and the company keeps rolling along. I do everything from networking to servers to desktops and I don't have time to fix people's idiotic mistakes or infected systems. The users don't like it, but management and us in IT think it works better than the opposite. Opening up computers is not the same as opening up your mind so don't mistake the two.
@OhTheHumanity

It's a Windows design problem, not a Windows user problem. How is it the user's fault if the OS is designed to allow garbage data to accumulate over its usage lifetime? The only way that Microsoft will be able to finally put a nail in the coffin of Windows rot is for them to design Windows to directly manage and track software installations and software updates through a centralized system. Windows should be able to clean up a bad uninstallation independently of any uninstaller. They need to make it impossible for old driver data to accumulate or for programs that update their files regularly to create a mess in the registry.
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Windows rot is actually...
wolf_z 11th Apr 2011
...IE accumulating temp files.

Just go into the advanced options and check the "Empty temp folder" or whatever it says, it's close to the bottom of the list.

Problem solved. happy
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DonnieBoy Updated - 12th Apr 2011
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@wolf_z

Unless you're being facetious.
When will they fix Windows? DLL hell, registry garbage, viruses and so on; seems like that won't happen with Windows 8 either. They keep putting make up on a fat pig
@shellcodes_coder

You're stuck in the 90's dude.
Windows rot hasn't been seen since XP
DLL Hell hasn't been seen since 9x
Registy problems I haven't seen in forever
Malware is a user issue. PEBKAC applies here.
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It's hardly as succinct as that
klumper 11th Apr 2011
@Cylon Centurion 0005
You're stuck in the 90's dude.

Don't downplay away these issues, or act like one is "stuck in the 90's" to cite them Nicholas. Winrot in its myriad of stripes is something MS has made strides in recent years to get a handle on, not eliminate in some magical fell swoop. Registry problems continue to be an issue, as anyone who makes a living servicing and repairing boxes knows.

As for malware infestation, MS took strides in addressing it only well into the WXP era, more specifically with the SP2 initiative. It was a long time coming, something even Gates seemed attritional over (and thus a service pack that could have been expanded into a full blown OS offering, but instead delivered free of charge by way of, well, contrition) [and to the particular credit of one Jim Allchin].

While PEBKAC will always apply, it's hard to fault the user when the platform shell amounts to Swiss cheese. MS to their eventual credit recognized this, and has been implementing well needed remedial measures ever since XP SP2.
@shellcodes_coder
Looks like you are one of those MS basher's and live in an a world where you expect people to look into /etc and /tmp/logs for issues. FYI, DLL hell has been resolved long back. Registry garbage has got nothing to do for a normal user (just like /usr/bin, or /dev directories). Viruses...wait for more adoption of LINUX or MAC and then you will see some collateral damage in them too.
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@shellcodes_coder,

1. DLL hell? I'm not sure you know what that means. That used to refer to developers having to unregister and reregister COM components when they broke binary compatibility. Then they would have to recompile any other application that was dependent on that assembly. This problem was address with the Global Assembly Cache.

2. Registry garbage. Could you clarify?

3. Viruses and so on. Windows 7 is a lot more secure than any of the previous OS's, so I think it's fair to say Microsoft has been working at fixing Windows in that regard.

If you're just being an ABMer...please...just go away. If you have some legitimate concerns rather than parroting the same rhetoric that all ABMer spew, without really dealing with the OS in the past few years, then please share them.
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DonnieBoy Updated - 12th Apr 2011
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@Donnie.

Problems will always persist. Your point is?
This is what every Windows users want: Innovation; Microsoft stop making bad copies of features of OS X and Linux; try to innovate. Unfortunately Windows team have never done and will never do that. That's why they are paving the way for Mac and Linux
@shellcodes_coder

This is funny because everyone complains that Windows doesn't have XYZ feature like Mac OS or Liunx do, but when it gets added in, people complain that Microsoft doesn't innovate, and is just adding bloat.

BTW, Mac and Linux share has been stagnant for years now. Mac can't get over 20% share, and in the grand scheme of things Linux's market share is insignificant to even worry about.
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@Cylon Centurion 0005 ..maybe 7%, and in Ammurrica only.
Apple osx sells maybe 10 million units a year...MS? Over 330 million. Year after year after year.
@shellcodes_coder
I have all three OS (in 3 laptops) and all of them take more or less the same time. Differences may be about 3 - 5 seconds between them. Only time where I found MS behaves different is during the s/w updates instal. May be you need some education on MS products.
Remember the saying "What takes you up will take you down" so live a life were you enjoy all and not just one.
Whatever Microsoft has planned for Windows 8 you can bet its going to be well worth it. I have no doubts it'll be the most advanced and best version of Windows yet. Instant on and a new UI are two things you can definitely look forward to.
@Loverock Davidson

I have instant on with Windows 7 by using the sleep function and I have a ssd installed. You don't have to wait for Windows 8 for that feature.
@soonerproud
Of course you don't have to wait but its a good feature to have in all new versions of Windows.
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faster startup would be awesome -- never since windows 3.xx has Windows boot/install times made a lick of sense to users.

it would be a huge leap forward if Microsoft updated their application installer, so it could search for new tools and drivers, update and remove them as needed/unneeded, and install them through a unified interface, with no user input required and multiple apps queued/installing simultaneously. the app store concept on IOS/Chromium/etc is such an effective format, that Microsoft should really utilise. also the way Windows 7 comes with out-of-date drivers, which you update from the manufacturer's website, then Windows Update attempts to replace again with the older versions -- WTF are they thinking?!?

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