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Windows XP: Kill it, bin it, upgrade it

By | July 13, 2010, 12:24pm PDT

Summary: Even though Windows XP, now 10 years old, will be available to some until 2015, it’s time to upgrade and there’s simply no excuse not to.

Windows XP is old, outdated, insecure in comparison to modern day operating systems, and frankly it’s a relic from the millennium which has gone well past its sell-by date.

It’s the sour, emulsifying yogurt of the technology world, basically.

Sure, three-quarters of all PCs still run Windows XP, but coupled with the fact that the average age of a PC is nearly five years old, I’m surprised these machines aren’t still run by mice running on a wheel on the inside.

I hate to side up to Microsoft’s messages here but on a selfish point, it’s no longer what it’s cracked up to be. While Windows XP has been given another reprieve until 2015, Windows 7 SP1 has been recently released giving those in the enterprise the reliability and security they didn’t feel they could get from the initial release.

Internet Explorer 9 might push the balance as Adrian Kingsley-Hughes points out, seeing as the next-generation web browser won’t be made available for XP users. Even though IE still holds the majority market-share, there’s no reason why say Firefox users could jump ship and move to the latest Ubuntu edition?

But these arguments are superficial frankly. I doubt you could find one person to give a single, good reason to convince every single XP user to upgrade to a newer alternative. If such a golden key answer was indeed possible, surely every operating system manufacturer would have used it long ago.

In a nutshell, XP is not “Generation Y” anymore. It hasn’t been for a long time. If you’re still desperate to use it - and why, I would love to know - you can still have it in Windows 7 as well as run it on Linux with WINE.

But, even though Windows XP Mode may well give you the application compatibility, it pretty much leaves the door open for suicide bombers by simply being there in the first place.

This coming semester when, or if, you buy yourself a new laptop - you’ll be saddled with Windows 7 no doubt. Unless you’re going for a netbook, then keep with the times and make the leap. Even then, there’s no reason not to jump aboard the Linux train.

At least it’s not like the latest iPhone which has been stuffed up from the start; XP was good while it lasted but it’s time to pull the plug and ditch it for the latest and greatest.

Is it time XP was laid to rest?

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Zack Whittaker, a criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, Canterbury, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

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I worked briefly with Microsoft UK in 2006 but no longer have any connection with the company. Regardless, I remain impartial and unbiased in my views.

I don't hold any stock or shares, investments or industrial secrets in any company, but have signed confidentiality agreements with a number of UK and U.S. organisations, whose names I am not at liberty to disclose.

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(Updated: 23rd October 2011)

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Zack Whittaker

Zack Whittaker, criminologist who studied at the University of Kent, UK, is a journalist, writer and broadcaster.

After studying criminology at university, though still in his early-20's, he has already had a series unconventional work and voluntary positions. He has worked with researchers studying neurological illnesses like Tourette's syndrome (which he suffers from), has given lectures on the nature of disabilities in the public community, and occasionally ends up speaking on television and radio discussing the events of the day.

He first had academic work published at the age of 22, then still an undergraduate, and has been cited by a wide range of publications: from the Huffington Post, Business Insider, AllThingsDigital, The Atlantic Wire and CBS News.

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SirJonson 6th Apr
You can run MS Powerpoint, Excel and of course Word under WINE. Same goes for Photoshop. Acrobat is a useless piece of ****, and the open source alternatives ARE compatible. As for iTunes? Apple's products are becoming niche, getting gobbled up by Android, other Linux-based OSs, and possibly even Windows Phone.
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IndianArt 13th Jul 2010
"...there?s no reason why say Firefox users could jump ship and move to the latest Ubuntu edition?"

Couldn't agree with you more. I have dual booted Windows with Ubuntu and love Ubuntu so much I don't go back to Windows.

I feel the reason why Ubuntu is not more widespread is simple:
Not enough people know about it.
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@IndianArt I agree... I don't even know how they would go about it. Deals with OEMs, a mass marketing campaign... I don't know. But I wish they would.
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@zwhittaker

Why always just bring the Ubuntu up when there are few dozen other distributions what are as easy to use because all of them offers GNOME and same application programs as what Ubuntu use as well. There is no reason to always market the Ubuntu (media's favorite), in contrary, it has always proofed that markets works better when there is more options. And suggesting Ubuntu for everyone is like prising Microsoft to be the only one. Ubuntu has its place, but it is not place for most people. It would be better if the XP userbase would be slaced that 50% goes to Windows 7 and 50% is sliced to multiple same size usergroups what takes different distributions to their use.

XP is sinking ship (actually has been since 2003) and for most people they could choose their OS to be a Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD or SunOS. They do not need to care so much what OS they run because they would get GNOME or KDE SC as their desktop. Same application programs in use and so on. Suggesting Linux is just because it is very fast develping OS and in the 2.6.35 version it is very well supported by hardware makers. And strenght is because we have hundreds of distributions (over dozen for mainstream use) using Linux OS.
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@Fri13 Introduce converts to any other distro than Ubuntu and they will run like hell, back to XP. I certainly would.
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@Fri13

"XP is sinking ship and for most people they could choose their OS to be a Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD or SunOS."

Care to rethink that statement? Please don't advise any average XP users that they should switch to any of the BSDs or to Solaris. By the way, "SunOS"? Solaris hasn't been called that since 1992.
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RE: Windows XP: Kill it, bin it, upgrade it
sashamart Updated - 26th Sep
@zwhittaker My wife of 40 years is looking a little flat and dull now also. She is a little slower than she used to be but general functions well. Still can cook the ocassional meal and wash the clothes once a week. I could upgrade, but I get the feeling that could be tedious, time consuming and expensive. Same goes for computers - I think! locksmith san jose | plumber san jose
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lppsguay@... 13th Jul 2010
Technology life cycles are getting longer - good news for users, bad news for venders. XP dominates because, for most people, there are no compelling reasons to upgrade, and lots of strong arguments to keep using what works.
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EXACTLY!!!
wackoae 13th Jul 2010
@lppsguay@... Why spend money on something that will not generate any advantage over what works today.

There is no compelling argument to upgrade something that works, with something that is mostly a UI change.
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@lppsguay@... I agree too. XP just works, and thats the only thing that matters. The OSes are mostly just eye candy. Yes, Windows 7 may have better security, but I never get any viruses with a good firewall and anti-virus installed.
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And it's not just the OS either
cornpie 14th Jul 2010
@lppsguay@...

A few years ago when multi-core cpu's became commonplace, computers got to the point where they were fast enough for most people for most things. With more and more of what people want to do (particularly at home) online, the speed of your internet connection matters more than the speed of your PC. And since most people will NEVER upgrade an OS and only get a new OS when they get a new computer...and the old computer is good enough...they will keep using XP.
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star-affinity 14th Jul 2010
@wackoae
I don't think a GUI change is a small thing. Personally I feel that Windows 7 is the first Windows that's smooth to work with when having a lot of apps and windows open (I still prefer Mac OS X, also because of its effectiveness in this regard ? easy to get the app one wants up front since the app switcher only shows running apps, not every window).

But I guess most people are running just a few apps at a time and closes each app when their done with it. In these cases I can see why Windows XP is sufficient, but I think it looks quite flat and dull nowadays.
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@lppsguay@... It continues to appear that some people just can not accept the current state of the economy. In short, many people...seniors, unemployed, underemployed, disabled, et al...simply do not have funds to purchase every new improvement that Microsoft throws out there. Doesn't matter how wonderful the new item is, thousands are literally up against the proverbial wall and can't change even if they want to.
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marzolian@... 14th Jul 2010
@lppsguay@... Why? I helped relatives set up their Windows Vista machines and said, I'll pass. Then, when my hard hard drive started clicking, I bought the last XP machine in the store.

If I had to buy now, I could live with Windows 7. And if I ran a organization, I would be considering at what point an upgrade would work for us. But as a single user who keeps my machines for five years or more, there is not a single reason for me to upgrade now, in the absence of any technical problems with my XP machine. And I suspect that's true for more people. Bad argument this time.
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stillgolfing 14th Jul 2010
@wackoae
"but I think it looks quite flat and dull nowadays."
My wife of 40 years is looking a little flat and dull now also. She is a little slower than she used to be but general functions well. Still can cook the ocassional meal and wash the clothes once a week. I could upgrade, but I get the feeling that could be tedious, time consuming and expensive. Same goes for computers - I think!
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stillgolfing 14th Jul 2010
@ZDNet Today
I was wondering why a lot of the posts in your threads didn't make any sense. Now that I have seen my own attempt to respond to a post way further down I now understand. With only two levels of response availabl, any further "@ts" are posted at the top of the second response section. So many posters are responding to posts that specific readers have not yet read. So yes I get it, but really from a site design point of view, I guess, don't get it. Basically you chose to make ZDnet non-conversationa l........... and the reason is?
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Precisely!
landman 14th Jul 2010
@lppsguay@... Thanks to the Obama administration I am now unemployed. Why should I spend money on hardware and software with no substantive increase in capability?
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@lppsguay@... You are so right and as long as XP is performing well, many people will not be anxious to spend $100 for Vista or Windows7 software.
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@lppsguay@... Even worse news for VENDORS...
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No compelling reason to upgrade - Amen !!
kpthottam@... 15th Jul 2010
@lppsguay@...
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@lppsguay@... That's it. Why spend money on something when what you have works just fine for the needs at hand. When needs change, then maybe upgrade is worth talking about.
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@IndianArt

How aout the total lack of Linux versions of the mainstay business and leisure applications. No MS Word, no Photoshop, no Acrobat, no iTunes, etc.

OpenOffice and the rest of the OpenSource substitute crowd may do the same things, often just as well, but THEY ARE NOT 100% COMPATIBLE, and that makes them non-starters in many corporate settings as well as in the homes of people who work for a living.
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@Asiafish This is such an ignorant responce. MS Word? Jesus, please shine some light on this guy some how still missing Open Office. Photoshop? The GIMP. Acrobat? Are you locked in retardation? Evince. Seriously ... no one on Linux reads PDFs to you. ****. iTunes? How about, Banshee or RythmBox.

And your 100% compatible can blow ass out the door. You obviously missed the boat even before it undocked.
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rcbarr83@... 14th Jul 2010
@Asiafish You would be surprised how compatible Open Office is, and how incompatible Windows Office. True Open Office does has small incompatibilities, but those are diminishing. For companies who use Windows as their main os, the switch could be difficult. However, could be more cost effective. Unix based companies could make the transition easier. What seems hilarious is Linux or Ubuntu based servers are the most trouble free than Windows based server software. I heard rumor, Microsoft uses Linux based servers for that very reason. Go figure.
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mikeh77586@... 14th Jul 2010
@Asiafish Don't worry about what these aothers are say to you. I understand. While Open Office, and openSource may or may not be compatable, they are different and it requires a person to re-learn how to do the same things but with different tools. I sincerely hope that one day (very soon) that OpenSource products, Open Office, Ubuntu, and others will be in use by enough people, so that the competition alone will force Micrsoft to make some serious changes to the way they do business. If MS would start giving people what they want and need instead of forcing them to do it the MS way, there would not be the resentment and dislike of MS.
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Krz0ne Updated - 15th Jul 2010
@prof.ebral rcbarr83@...
Last year I got a netbook with no office apps so I decided on 'free and 100% compatible' OpenOffice. I encountered garbled data when I presented OpenCalc data to a Client running Excel, and got him pissed off.
Unfortunately, you cannot become a wiseass and throw tirades like '...Are you locked in retardation?...' to your clients.
Open Source is a good dream, but it is not YET a complete alternative to the established standard (MSOffice)

On XP - It does what its supposed to do. I would love to get Windows7 IF I get a new computer, and I don't feel the NEED to get Windows7 for my current one since it already has XP.
I think the OS has matured to become more a tool (I want the one that works) than a toy (I want the newer, shinier model).

The computer has reached a technological plateau, and will not budge too much from what it is now and it will take a drastic change in the way things are done to get the ball rolling again (tablets? smart phones?)
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@Asiafish Those are not Linux fault, they are fault of the big corporations what is developing, marketing and selling them. There is no "Linux version" because Linux is single operating system what is distributed by hundreds of the projects/people/corporations by packagin Linux + middleware + GUI + application programs. One OS (different versions like 2.6.32 or 2.6.33 of it) in all distributions.

And the main reason to whole problem can be actually finded from Microsoft. They have dominant market position and they do not let the markets fell of their hands. In contrary, they will tighten their grip as much as possible. They make technical lockings as market lockins as much as they can do by the law (and many times braking the law and trying to do it under the radar) so other big companies would not start focusing Linux.

Guess what would happend if Adobe would port Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Acrobat to Linux by using LSB standard (so it would work on any distribution) and Apple would port iTunes and iWork for Linux as well with same manner? If few big famous application programs would be ported to Linux (and same time to all four BSD OS), the MS realm would start falling even faster. But MS is not going to allow that. You can see what they did for Apple by forcing someway Adobe to treat Apple as step child and bring new versions of the CS package to windows first and only then later to Mac OS X.

The Linux (kernel) is just a operating system. You can get it from kernel.org and you can distribute freely. Every application could be easily started to be ported for it. There is LSB standard what makes sure that you can make easily closed source application work with Linux without need to think what distributions you would support. Linux (OS) developers, application program developers etc and the whole open source community can not do a thing to get MS Word, Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Acrobat or iTunes to Linux (or any other FOSS operating system). Simply because they do not have source code or license to do so. You can only blame those big corporations and try to conviece them to port their products.
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SirJonson 6th Apr
You can run MS Powerpoint, Excel and of course Word under WINE. Same goes for Photoshop. Acrobat is a useless piece of ****, and the open source alternatives ARE compatible. As for iTunes? Apple's products are becoming niche, getting gobbled up by Android, other Linux-based OSs, and possibly even Windows Phone.
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rcbarr83@... 14th Jul 2010
@IndianArt

I must say Ubuntu seems to work very well. I use it primarily. But, I have returned to school, get my second masters, and the online portion of classes work better with windows. So, I use Windows 64 XP pro.

Once other vendors realize Ubuntu is here to stay perhaps they will create code, or allow their code to be available to Ubuntu developers. I hope so. But in the mean time, if I have to use Windows, I would rather use XP. (Upgrade it.)
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LiquidLearner 14th Jul 2010
@rcbarr83@... XP64 is garbage. Why on earth would you do that to yourself? It's almost impossible to find drivers for most hardware out there and XP's memory management is pretty bad compared to Windows 7 (or even Vista). Ubuntu has better driver support than XP64. You would be much, MUCH better off running 7 x64.

Of course your statements are likely not based in fact, and no one who has used Windows 7 for any length of time would rather use XP. User response has been excellent to Windows 7. There are some initial complaints but after a couple weeks they tend to not want anything else.

Why use a pay for OS? Because I know Microsoft will be around for a long, long time. Ubuntu is here to stay? Until it starts making money on its own it will just be the pet project of some rich guy. A good pet project, but a pet project all the same. If it can't sustain itself it won't last.
@IndianArt ...Ubuntu has its niche and usefulnes, but, most games on the market have difficulty running in linux out of the box. As a gamer, that is fairly important to me. I have tried to run them in Ubuntu, but, the software is too demanding of the driver/emulator it has. Some game functionality is lost too by using the Wine emulation, so, gaming is pretty much out if you use Ubuntu. (Crisis, Mass Effect, etc... are the main line games that do not run under linux)

As for the desktop applications and internet functionality, for the most part, linux distros do a good job. So, yes, there is little reason to use a "pay for" OS to run your computer (i recondition older systems and put on Ubuntu 10.04 on them and works great for those who need their Facebook fix happy ).

But, XP, as an aging OS (not even close to Win7 in kernel and memory management), does need to retire soon. Windows 7, by experience, is much faster than XP and has 10 fold less BSODs ( i still have an occasional BSOD cause of the various graphic driver configurations i run).

If you need a light version, Windows 7 has a netbook version out now that runs circles around XP in speed and performance too.

In a nutshell, retire XP (for your system that is still running it will soon die because of hard drive life, motherboard life or power supply failure) and get that newer, lightning speed faster, cheaper than before system and put on Ubuntu or Windows 7.

You will see a world of difference.
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@dtroyerSMU I have to agree. THis is why I havent used Ubuntu very much myself, even though it has brought Linux a very long way. I've tried to install games using Wine, and even though the Wine site says these games are at least at gold rating, they won't play or run. This means to the general public, Linux is a no-go. Too many gamers that still game on PCs. Or I probably would be a solid Ubuntu user... However, to invalidate my post to most, I love the Aero interface haha. I like Win 7. It's still the most robust solution for most, including the average consumer. And I too have had 2 viruses since the early 80's.. both my fault for being bad!
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@dtroyerSMU...I never knew what a bsod looked like in all my years of running XP; when I bought my latest computer it came with Win7 Ultimate and immediately the bsod's started; right up until I wiped the drive in frustration and went back to XP; Guess what, no more bsod's either.
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Ubuntu sucks here in Canada, Win 7 is so slow a snail can run around you house 5 times before it starts up and you can make 2 pots of coffee. Gimme a break, send me the money to buy a new system and I will make yours look like the snail going around your house
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@dtroyerSMU
BSOD?? So we have it from the mouth of a windows supporter: MS haven't yet overcome their legacy sufficiently to structure Windows 7 to avoid this altogether.
Surely robustness via proper segmentation is the most elementary aspect of OS design.
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@IndianArt The problem is that Ubuntu isn't user friendly out of the box for Windows users. A better option would be Linux Mint.
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Webbywarehouse 16th Jul 2010
@IndianArt

You have no concept of a business environment. "Try Ubuntu"....just how does a business with all the demands, requirements, constraints, software needs, hareware needs, support needs just "try" another desktop or server OS?

Planing, budgeting, support concerns, user training, software availability, testing, testing, and testing. This is all necessary to simply introduce one new major asset to an enterprise environment.

How then could a business "try" something new on a grand scale?
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@Webbywarehouse Don't, then, if the vendor lock-in black hole is too strong.

Guess what will happen when another young upstart business competes with yours, but that competitor has much lower yearly IT costs overhead than you?
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@IndianArt I love Ubuntu too, but it's much more buggy than any of the Windows versions that I've seen lately, at least on the Laptop I run it on. But I have my laptop dual bootable and I almost never boot into windows. So, I consider the bugs (or features) as challenges.
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@IndianArt if you can click on software like you do in windows then more would use it. Also much of the hardware for windows doesn't work right without manual tweaking in ubuntu. When configurations and installations are all point and click then it will become popular. That is what made windows popular. Simple to install simple to configure simple to use. The only thing that people complain about is the lack of them 3 items
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chuckleberry 13th Jul 2010
Its time MicroSoft was laid to rest.
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Ever heard of the old motto."If it ain't broken, don't fix it?" I downgraded vista to XP and never went back. It is ashame that Apple is so expensive with their products but for me, I will ride XP as long as possible.
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@8weaponx you are right. I too will keep XP as I cannot afford to replace all my old software and peripherals that are still working well but are incompatible with Win 7. I still prefer Lotus Smartsuite to MS Office because it does what I tell it to and does not try to help me to do it Microsoft's way. I have seen Windows 7 in use but see no advantages so I am investigating Ubuntu 10.04 for use when equipment failure forces a change.
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rcbarr83@... 14th Jul 2010
@misceng I have been using Ubuntu for years, I prefer it over any other. Although, I have heard good things about Mac. Right now, too expensive.
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Every time MS wants to make another Billion for Ol' Billyboy they come out with another version of something. Give me a GOOD reason why I - and millions of others - should keep shelling out $1,000 a year just to keep pace with Microsoft's latest issuances, and I'll do so. But for now I'll turn down Microsoft's latest bloatware for something that continues to work just fine, thank you. And I'm still using Office 97 - take that, stick it where the sun doesn't shine, and call the cops on me.

Windows XP: Kill it, bin it, upgrade it??? Go feck yourself.
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Play nice
zwhittaker 15th Jul 2010
@bimjim2 happy
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ashleyknowles 14th Jul 2010
@8weaponx I was about to say the same thing.

The XP product has been refined, picked apart, and essentially, as Microsoft Professionals, we now have 10 years experience with it, and it continues to be a great platform for everyone.

Sure you miss out on some security features and other benefits of (dare I say it) Vista, or even more so 7. But as an IT Professional, we should all realise by now that it's not the software that's 100% to blame...
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Yep, I'm so there with keeping older OS and apps that we already know. The Devil you Know...

...and if "security" is the problem with XP, I have heard of these products called firewalls and virus scanners. I understand they work, although they suck up a lot of CPU time. Even on Vista, yet another thing that makes the hamster-on-the-wheel icon dominate my Outlook session.
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I think there are some very expensive special-use equipment in the manufacturing and scientific communities that were built and sold in the early 2000s. These machines were designed to to controlled by a PC running XP. Some of these manufacturers have either folded in the latest downturn or perhaps they've moved on to support newer equipment.

In these cases, if you paid huge sums of money for a special device, would YOU want to replace it just because the controller PC quit working?

I've dealt with a a few of these devices over the years. A few cost in the $100K range. Some of them connected to computers running DOS 3.3!

The bottom line is that the equipment still works just fine. Oftentimes, attempts to use VMs, shims, etc just didn't work.

Granted, this is not common. Nonetheless, in the real world sometimes change is cost-prohibitive.
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Bill4 13th Jul 2010
@bmgoodman We had several expensive, functional, and important instruments hooked up to ancient computers because there was no software to run them available for newer operating systems. The instrument people want you to upgrade their machinery, too, and just won't write new drivers for old instruments. Anyway, you don't just toss out a $20,000 T&E tester because of a new version of Windows! You just unplug from the network and carry the numbers around on a floppy....
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@bmgoodman I agree completely - Zack apparently only has experience from the college dorm. In manufacturing and many other enterprise businesses vertical software is detirmining the desktop OS. Software that the company spent several 100K for. If these vendors would support newer OS I would be more than happy to upgrade, but thats not the case and I cant exactly pop down to Staples or Best Buy and pick up some new manufacturing software off the shelf. There are maybe 2 or 3 vendors offering competitive offerings. that leaves us with buying another 100-200K piece of software + hardware and retooling the processes, retraining the staff for another 250K or spend nothing and use what we got and not lay off a few hundred more people. Since I'm still getting a check I vote for option #2

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