EXCLUSIVE: 1995 Newsgroup posting proposing VoIP predates Verizon, Sprint patents

EXCLUSIVE: 1995 Newsgroup posting proposing VoIP predates Verizon, Sprint patents

Summary: This one's quite a story. I am not a patent attorney, but I would think that this info would be useful to all the players involved in the VoIP patent infringement cases between Vonage and Verizon, and Vonage and Sprint.

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This one's quite a story. I am not a patent attorney, but I would think that this info would be useful to all the players involved in the VoIP patent infringement cases between Vonage and Verizon, and Vonage and Sprint.

Dan Connor, who runs the Vonage Forum, has just found a 1995 Usenet Newsgroup (remember them?) post that appears to describe elements of a VoIP network. He thinks the post could be held up as a depiction of prior art.

Prior art often negates patent claims, and sometimes the patent itself. Taking that into account, the relevance of what I am going to cite here to the Vonage-Verizon and Vonage-Sprint cases to be decided next week is obvious. 

Keep in mind that VoIP- and most of the companies we know of today that offer this tech- weren't even a gleam in their VC Daddy's eye back then.

The post was submitted to TELECOM Digest on September, 22, 1995 by Jack Decker. Here's the post:

I would like to offer up a suggestion for a product, or perhaps I should say a technology. This is an idea that I had that is really an extension of existing products, but I want to go on record as proposing this now so that when someone gets the bright idea in a few months or years, I canpoint to this as "prior art" (the Telecom Archives ARE permanent, aren't they?). 

The idea is this: At some point on the Internet you have a server that connects to the telephone network. It can detect ringing and seize (answer) the line, or it can pick up the line and initiate outdialing. So far all of this can be done using existing products (modems, forexample). But what I would then propose for this new technology is to take the audio from the phone line and convert it into an audio data stream that can be sent to another location on the Internet. In a similar manner, this product should be able to accept an audio stream from the Internet and send it out to the phone line.

On the user (client) end, a companion product (designed to work with the server) would operate similar to IPhone or another two-way voice over Internet product, except that when the server receives a ringing signal from the telephone line, it would sent a data packet to the user's program that would cause an audible (or other) signal to sound or appear on the video display of the user's computer.

The user could then take some action to "answer the phone" by causing the server to take the phone line offhook and start the audio streams flowing, and the computer user would then be able to hold a conversation with the telephone caller. Or, if the user wished to make an outgoing call, they could enter a number to be called and then take some action (keypress, mouse click, etc.) that would cause information to be transmitted via the Internet that would cause the server to take the line offhook, dial the requested number using touch tones or dial  pulses, and then start the audio data streams flowing, permitting the user to converse with a called party.

In this situation, the telephone line would come into one location that is connected to the Internet, and the user of the line could be almost anywhere else on the Internet. They'd be able to answer an incoming call, or place an outgoing one, and then talk using an IPhone or similar type interface. Depending on the user's hardware (sound card) and preference, the connection could be half duplex (either "press a key/button to talk" or VOX type operation), or nearly
full-duplex (I say "nearly" because there would be a slight delay inherent in sending audio streams via the Internet).

For those familiar with amateur radio phone patches, this would be a similar type of connection, except that instead of connecting a telephone line to a radio transceiver, it would connect to a device that converts digital audio data streams sent via the Internet to and from analog signals compatible with the telephone line.

I would expect that there would be some sort of authentication between the client and server sides, probably in the form of a password required to use the server (which would be sent automatically any time a command was sent to pick up the line). And care would have to be taken that once a connect was initiated, no other user could "break in" and grab the open line.

On the other hand, the server should be capable of accepting connections from more than oneclient (and multiple passwords, in case more than one user should be allowed to have accessto the server, and you want to have an accounting of which user was connected at any particular time).

The uses should be obvious ... any time you want to answer a phone line or place a call from a remote location that has an internet connection, and don't care about a slight time delay (whichmight be pretty minimal on some connections), this technology could be used. Assuming decent connectivity, the connection (from the telephone side) should sound no worse than, say, a patched call from a two-way radio (or even from some cellular phones!).

Basically, this would be the equivalent of an "off premises extension" using the Internet. One possible application, given sufficently well connected sites, would be to allow people to take calls coming into a call center from another off-premises location, using the technology I have proposed to carry the audio while they use some other software (either local software or another net application) to actually look up information, enter orders, etc. You'd probably need an ISDN line or other high capacity "pipe" to the off-premises location to get audio quality and transmission speed sufficient to make this work.

Please, no flames about whether this SHOULD be done, how much "bandwidth" it will consume, etc. Both regulations and the capacity of Internet connections vary from place to place. What is illegal or a drain on bandwidth in one place may be quite legal, and consume only a fraction of a percent of available bandwidth in another place. And as we all know, regulations prohibiting bypass of the phone company are being lifted in many places (if they're not gone already) and
higher capacity "pipes" are being constructed all the time (just as a side note, I mentioned the bandwidth issue regarding audio streams to a friend who works at an ISP. He said that these would hardly be noticed on their network, but they have a relative large "pipe" to the backbone. YMMV. especially with a smaller provider).

The main ideas I want to have on record as "prior art", in case nobody's tried to patent them yet (I hope), are:

1) The idea of taking a unidirectional or bidirectional digital audio stream from the Internet and converting it to analog and sending it to or from a telephone line,

2) The idea of using client software at a user's site on the Internet to remotely control another device on the net that can initiate a call or answer a call (this is prior art anyway, as folks have used remote modems on the internet for over a decade, but this may be the first
time this has been proposed in connection with a device that would send real-time audio streams to and from the line).

3) The idea of using authentication with such a system, so that whenever a command is sent that would take the phone line off hook, the command string would include a password or other mechanism that would be verified by the server to insure that the user actually has authority to remotely control the line.

4) And just to cover all the bases, I'll also suggest that an adapation of this idea would allow someone to call into the Internet using a server, have the call transported some distance over the Internet as digital audio streams, and then sent back out into the public switched telephone system at a distant point. I'm not suggesting this would work well, would be legal, or should be done, but I want to go on record as saying it would be possible with the right hardware and software.

Note that although I make reference to the Internet at several points above, this technology could work in a similar manner on a private or corporate network. One final comment: It would be nice if perhaps a later version of this technology would offer conference call capability (for example, one or more users on the Internet and one or more "off-net" users connected via phone lines, all taking turns on a voice conference).

It will be interesting to see how long it will be before someone comes up with this technology. It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when", IMHO. I'd like to see it offered sooner rather than later, and at a low enough price that companies and individuals can afford
it!

Well, that's my idea, as sent to the TELECOM Digest on September 15, 1995. If anyone's already come up with something like this, I'm not aware of it, so please let me know. On the other hand, if anyone decides to proceed with building this technology as a result of this article, I'd be happy to help beta test the result (from the user side, of course!)

It will be interesting to see how much weight this 1995 posting is given. 

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  • Better prove it

    Finding this is great for Vonage. However, they better prove beyond a doubt this actually was written and posted in 1995. You know the opposing teams are going to try to poke every little hole they can find in this. And if they succeed in casting doubt, it'll set precedent for future claims of prior art via online postings.

    You have to admit, the first paragraph alone sets off a few bells to any doubting eye. It seems almost too tailored for this very specific case when the debate about patents wasn't as significant back then as it is now.

    But in any case, if Verizon/Sprint's cases fall apart based on this single post alone, that would be too awesome cool!

    "I would like to offer up a suggestion for a product, or perhaps I should say a technology. This is an idea that I had that is really an extension of existing products, but I want to go on record as proposing this now so that when someone gets the bright idea in a few months or years, I canpoint to this as "prior art" (the Telecom Archives ARE permanent, aren't they?). "
    yyuko@...
    • This is likely to be quite easy

      I'm 99% certain that all usenet postings would be timestamped. After 12 years, it's very likely to have been archived, too, which should provide another time stamp. Decker also refers to sending it to "TELECOM Digest on September 15, 1995," who may also have a record of it.

      As for the amount of emphasis Decker puts on the patent process, this is a really major idea. We've seen in the last decade how it's changed the phone industry. My guess is that he had prior knowledge of how patents work, or he researched it before putting his idea out there. I've had a few decent ideas myself. The very first thing I did before telling anyone short of my next-of-kin about them was to make sure I had papers to wave around and prove when I'd thought about it. The post may sound a bit contrived, or it may simple be a well informed person (and/or paranoid) making sure that his idea was presented in a manner that would ensure he could prove prior art.

      I hope this post is, in fact, authentic. I really hope it holds up in court. If our legal system has any brains left than it should.

      Eben Moglen of the Software Freedom Law Center expressed on NPR's Morning Edition today that Vonage took out those patents specifically to prevent rivals using VoIP; not so that Verison could develop or market the technology, but so they could prevent it from being used in order to continue charging customers the high fees they were used to with traditional telephone service. If this is true, then I find it incredibly appalling. Patents are supposed to aid developing technology, not squelch them. The current system feels very much like we've forgotten the intent and let the greedy rewrite our rules. How said. Good luck, Vonage!
      deramin@...
  • I Hope This Is True

    If it is Verizon will get the DOH! of the year award and look like fools to the entire tech industry.
    itanalyst
  • All patents must die [nt]

    .
    Omch'Ar
  • A 1995 Magazine Ad for the iPhone

    Also from the same year a 1995 magazine ad for a iPhone (not by Cisco or Apple!)http://flatplanetphone.com/wordpress/?p=32
    mmaeir
    • its 1996.. did you even read the post?

      hehe
      Been_Done_Before
  • It won't make a difference for Vonage

    Even if it is true and saves their bacon on the lawsuit front, I don't think their stock price will recover to sufficiently save the company. There is way too much competition in the space now that they really need to be looking at a merger opportunity.
    jfp
    • Who cares about stock price

      What really matters is if Vonage manages to hold on to thier existing customer base. If the lawsuit hasn't scared too many people off and people are still signing up for Vonage that stock price will recover. If too many people dumped Vonage or decided to avoid vonage then the stock price won't recover quickly and might not at all as it give a opening for competition. Stock price really isn't the issue here, it' customer confidence. Stock price may show that then again it may not.

      Still customer service wise I've not seen better than Vonage. Vonage doesn't work as well as a land line but it comes pretty close. Another thing is the price. Even the competition is $14 more a month for the same features. Wonder if they will lower prices if Vonage come out of this all clean. Maybe?
      voska
    • Then again.....

      If true, then Verizon may have to cough up damages to Vonage. This would make Vonage stock go up, and make Vonage a stronger company.

      You can never tell.
      linux for me
  • VOIP isn't all that new

    The concept of VOIP really isn't some new idea as shown by 1995 use net posting here. The concepts been floating around for a really long time. Only problem was most people used modems to connect. Kind of redundant to use modems for VOIP don't you think. So the concept was never realized till now when Dial-up is considered the minority. I heard about VOIP back in 1998 so it doesn't surprise me that something existed on it 1995. I'm betting a bit more digging would reveal even early prior art.
    voska
  • I hope I'm wrong

    My guess is this will be dismissed or ignored by the court. Verizon has deep pockets and when big money talks justice takes a walk.
    Azathoth
  • VoIP is NOT the patent in question

    I don't think this will ultimately make any difference at all. [b]The dispute has nothing to do with the idea of VoIP.[/b]

    [b]The patents in dispute[/b], from what I can tell from reading the court opinions, [b]describe the use of dynamic DNS to find and connect to an end-user.[/b] Verizon piggybacked on an existing protocol and service architecture - which is perfectly legal - to use DNS as a more generalized address server. It is described as a "business method" patent. They didn't invent DNS, they just figured out a new use for it, and they protected it with a patent.

    Vonage is struggling with the ruling because [b]they will have to create a replacement addressing technology from scratch[/b] - new protocol, new service architecture, new client API - and if you know how DNS/bind works, you know that's a tall order.
    GDF
    • I find new uses for tape every day.. should i patent them?

      DDNS was created by another company back an 1999, i guess its possible there still might be a patent on it, but i doubt it since about 100 companies use it as product and many pieces of network equipment use it( linksys for one has a DDNS feature ).

      I dont see how this particular business method would hold up in court.

      As for the patents, my understanding from previous articles was that the arguement had to do with the way calls were handed off to the POTS network. What this guy is describing in this article is the method now used. Which would be prior art to this patent.
      Been_Done_Before
    • business method patents

      stink. If we took todays companies back in time, they'd patent commission sales. Some lawyer would patent charging only if they win.

      I guess this isn't as bad as the patent on "Buy It Now" that Ebay is getting sued over or Amazons "One click purchase," but it's close.
      notsofast
  • VoIP and iPhone!

    Not only does this article depict VoIP, but it seems the author may have defined the IPhone name aswell :-)
    neil.postlethwaite
    • Cisco and apple should pay up. :P (NT)

      :)
      Been_Done_Before
  • 1995? Try 1983!

    Actually this idea was built in real hardware at Xerox PARC in 1983, and
    published in IEEE Globecom '83. I built the hardware for it.

    Shortly after that, Chris Schmandt at
    MIT Media Lab did something similar as well.
    lstewart2
    • lstewart2 - please email me

      I would like to hear more
      moshe at flatplanetphone dot com
      mmaeir
  • Ummm...

    isn't that what all telephone switches have been doing since the early 80's? What's innovative about voice packets? Remember Internet Phone, a Win 3.1 application?
    3dguru
  • sounds a little too convenient to me

    It's funny how this post seems to be EXACTLY what would be needed, isn't it? Like the Church Lady (from SNL) would say...
    "Isn't that conveeenient?"

    And they just happen to come up with it. I'd be interested to know if someone else has an archived copy of this post somewhere that could be used to help "authenticate" the post.
    alphawiz