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Motorola secures Europe-wide sales ban on iPhone, iPad

By | December 9, 2011, 6:55am PST

Summary: A German court has imposed a preliminary injunction on Apple’s 3G-enabled iOS devices across Europe for infringing a Motorola-held patent.

Motorola Mobility has won a patent dispute with Apple in Germany this morning that could spell a sales injunction against its products across Europe.

A regional court in Mannheim, Germany ruled that Apple’s devices with cellular networking infringe Motorola-owned patent 1010336. This is the equivalent networking patent has detailed by U.S. Patent No. 6,359,898.

Such devices include the iPhone 3G, 3GS, and the iPhone 4. It also includes the 3G-enabled original iPad and iPad 2. While Motorola did not specifically name the iPhone 4S in its case, it is likely that the latest Apple smartphone is also affected by the ruling.

Unless Apple can secure a stay until a higher regional court can hear an appeal, the iPhone smartphone and iPad tablet could be barred from being sold in Europe.

Apple is expected to appeal for a stay on the injunction as it prepares its appeal.

But whether Germany can enforce a Europe-wide ban on 3G-enabled iOS devices is unclear.

In September, a German court ‘downgraded’ its ban on Samsung selling its Galaxy Tab tablet across Europe, after concerns were raised that the court may not have had the authority to issue such a broad embargo.

FOSS Patents author Florian Mueller says that the injunction is preliminarily enforceable against Ireland-based Apple Sales International, “in exchange for a €100 million ($134 million) bond”, unless Apple wins its stay.

This means that should Apple win a stay on the injunction, Motorola would be liable to pay the bond should it fail in its bid later down the line to keep in the sales in place. The bond is significantly lower than the €2 billion ($2.7 billion) charge that Apple had asked for.

While Apple could attempt to gain a license from Motorola, this would not apply retroactively. Motorola could then insist on damages for Apple’s prior infringement in its previous smartphone and tablet devices.

Apple had sought a “Fair, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory” (FRAND) license, but Motorola had previously convinced the court that the damages Apple inflicted would exceed the FRAND terms.

Germany is one of the strongest economies in the Eurozone, and one of the key markets for Apple in Europe.

Apple declined to comment on the ruling.

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RE: Motorola secures Europe-wide sales ban on iPhone, iPad
88Fan Updated - 19th Dec
Google/Motorola should make an offer to Apple to drop all claims forever against iOS devices/software if Apple will do same for Android devices/software. Once that is done the courts can get back to real work and we consumers can back back to being able to choose for ourselves.

As it stands right now an Etch-a-Sketch could be claimed as prior art to most of the tablets on the market today, it is after all a thin rectangular tablet with a couple buttons/knobs and reacts to motion.
Bout time they got a taste of their own medicine.
@OhTheHumanity

Agreed.
@OhTheHumanity Its called Karma my friend.
@OhTheHumanity You play with fire, you get burned. That's what Apple gets for sending their greedy little lawyers after everyone and their mother.
@OhTheHumanity

BWAHAHAHAHA! Oh man, Apple gets some of their own 'banola' medicine... I wonder how that crow tastes. Anyway, perhaps now the people in power will realize how STUPID piecemeal software patents are and will push to have them banned, with only a finished OS being patentable.

If that means that someone 'steals' your work to implement a feature? Too damned bad, that usually means that you did the feature right (and in the least redundant) way possible.
@Lerianis10
Except of course, these AREN'T software patents. If they were, they wouldn't be upheld in a European court. These are device patents, like almost anything on a cellphone.
@A.Sinic

Actually, the patents that are being used to get this ban ARE software patents. They are not the 'similar look and feel' stuff that Apple tried to do against the Tab, which was even more outrageous to be honest.
@OhTheHumanity Exactly
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Live by the sword...
Robert Hahn 9th Dec
while (goesAround)
comesAround++;
@Robert Hahn Congratulations, you've earned extra bonus geek points.
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No bonus points
RationalGuy Updated - 9th Dec
@thezorch@...

It doesn't logically mean "What goes around comes around". It means something more like "While something goes around, you get a little more of what has already come around."
@RationalGuy @thezorch@... Perhaps a better statement would be
goesAround == comesAround;
... although that doesn't seem quite right either X-D
@Robert Hahn:

Perfect! Made my day with that, thank you Robert!
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Endless loop?
John L. Ries 9th Dec
@Robert Hahn
@Robert Hahn nicely done
public static int Apple_BS = 1;

public int goesAround = 1;

public int comesAround = 0;

public static int numOfBogusApplePatentClaims = 5000;

public boolean good_karma = false;

// initialize bad_karma to true (.. ha! that goes without saying)

public boolean bad_karma = true;

public boolean nowWeCanAllGetSomeSleep = false;

//--------------------------------------------------------------

if (numOfBogusApplePatentClaims > 0)
{

while (numOfBogusApplePatentClaims > 0)
{

// Apple's BS returned ( ..with interest ;P )

Apple_BS++;

goesAround = Apple_BS;

comesAround = goesAround;

bad_karma = true;

good_karma = false;

// DoJ (& other arbitrators) must slowly eliminate ..
// or use counter-claims thus eventually eroding
// the number to an ideal level (..for the sake of
// all things sane .. and humanity): 0

numOfBogusApplePatentClaims--;

nowWeCanAllGetSomeSleep = false;
}

}
else if (numOfBogusApplePatentClaims == 0)
{
Apple_BS = 0;
goesAround = 0;
comesAround = 0;
bad_karma = false;
good_karma = true; // .. funny that
nowWeCanAllGetSomeSleep = true;

}

//--------------------------------------------------------------

// n.b. please excuse my "language" .. it's been a while since i last coded.

// wink
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Are ZDNet posters now going to accuse Germany of being corrupt? That would be interesting considering how a German court ruling was used as proof that Samsung copied Apple. I never heard any claims then that Germany was corrupt.
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I won't
John L. Ries Updated - 9th Dec
@toddybottom
I''ve no reason to believe the court in this case was anything but impartial, but it appears that the patent system is as broken in Europe as it is in the US, and not just when MS loses.

But as in the other case, I have no idea whether the judge got it right, nor do you, I suspect (but I trust German judges more than I trust Chinese ones).

Reply to toddybottom:

I'm doing good. I've been accused of being both an MS and an Apple fan in less than two days! I'm actually a Linux user. "Right" in a judicial decision indicates correct interpretation and application of the law, given the facts of the case.
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@John L. Ries
"I have no idea whether the judge got it right"

Wait, let me guess. Right = "Whatever decision is good for Apple and bad for Apple's competition."

You Apple fanbois are all the same.
@toddybottom
Your whole arguments is based on a guess, which is incorrect to begin with.

MS fanboys are all the same.
@toddybottom

You Apple fanbois are all the same.

Wait, you put the words in his mouth.

"Whatever decision is good for Apple and bad for Apple's competition."

You do realize he never said anything of sort, don't you?

He said, "the patent system is as broken in Europe as it is in the US."

Read much?






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@John L. Ries
"but it appears that the patent system is as broken in Europe as it is in the US"
I would disagree with that. In Europe it is MUCH easier to get a bad patent overturned as invalid. And they don't accept pure software patents or business process patents at all.
@toddybottom Not twice 'Convicted' but definantly twice accused. We must wait for court outcomes as to convicted or not.
@Net-Tech_z
Samsung was proven guilty in the Apple fanbois mind the moment the first injunction was handed down. Although now the fanbois like Mr. Ries are taking it one step further where judges that rule against Apple "got it wrong".
@toddybottom I think you might be misreading John L. Ries. He's saying that he doesn't know if they got it right (and honestly, we might not be privy to all of the facts of the case, so we don't know the reasoning of the judge here), but he appears to be giving them the benefit of the doubt (and he also says that he has no reason to believe that there was any chicanery on the part of the court).

Also, I don't believe that he's a fanboi of any particular stripe.

In any case, things are getting interesting, and I wonder if this has anything to do with Google's intentions to acquire Motorola Mobility.
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@toddybottom Samsung should have been found guilty based on the side by side photographs of the Apple iPad and the Samsung Galaxy Tab from the device itself to the very packaging, cables, and AC adapter that came with it.

Nor did John L. Ries say that the ruling was wrong - he said he didn't know if the judge got it right... huge difference there toddybottom.
@Net-Tech_z Do not bother responding to the Microsoft Zealot. This character is often using more than one screen name, and claims to be above reproach.

he/she has even claimed to have purchased a MacBook Pro just to install vista on it, because in their opinion vista is zoo much better than OS X. This character will *** my post, as they have been either using the toddy, or Will, screen name.
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@Net-Tech_z
There are a few Apple "fanbois" on this site that are very upset with this ruling in the German court system.

They where quite elated to hear that the courts ruled against Samsung, going so far as to proclaim how intelligent and understanding the courts where in reference to the case, and how the ruling to ban sales of those Samsung products was the correct and fair thing to do.

Now that it is Apple that had a ruling by those same courts go against them, in which the ruling is to ban sales of those Apple products, those same fanbois are complaining that the penalty is incorrect and an unfair thing to do.

It is not logical.
plain
@Rick_Kl

+1

he/she has even claimed to have purchased a MacBook Pro just to install vista on it, because in their opinion vista is zoo much better than OS X. This character will *** my post, as they have been either using the toddy, or Will, screen name.

And that's the biggest joke of them all.
@Mister Spock It is not logical.
The fact that you even have to mention this when talking about fanboys of any color shows a complete lack of logic. Fanboys do not use logic no matter what side of the debate they are on. You are crying foul about the Apple fanboys (I must have missed the posts you are talking about) but completely neglect the fact that there are those praising this verdict who were whining whenever Samsung lost a hearing. Why are they any different? Is it you can only call out the Apple fanboys? Fanboys and Haters are two sides of the same coin, neither is better than the other.
@toddybottom
Corrupt- no unless you have evidence, like we have in the case with Samsung.
Stupid- yes. But if someone deserves this it is Apple. Live with it.
@kirovs@...
If stupid, it's because of stupid law. German judges have far less room for interpretation that in Common Law countries. They just have to apply the law as written.
I suspect this is NOT stupid; the stupidity comes from companies that would rather litigate than do-a-deal. Patent trolls aside, the system would work if people did proper cross-license deals like in the old days.
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@toddybottom Dude, get it right.

Apple is now a twice convicted IP thief


They are? When were the lawsuits that confirmed this? What courts convicted them? They have been accused twice but not convicted. Huge difference there. Wow toddybottom you started off with a huge fail just on the header.

Are ZDNet posters now going to accuse Germany of being corrupt? That would be interesting considering how a German court ruling was used as proof that Samsung copied Apple. I never heard any claims then that Germany was corrupt.


That's because German courts seem to be impartial - and yes I'm saying this in the face of a possible ban on Apple's iOS product line. The Chinese courts I'm much more skeptical about as they have a heavy bias towards their own companies.

By making this decision however Germany might be on their way to creating a sick market in Europe. Without Apple's iOS based line of products the only tablets would be Android based tablet and even with smartphones Android based devices would be the only viable choice. It will be a sick market. We all will lose.
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Yo Pete!
rhonin 9th Dec
@Pete "athynz" Athens
Minor (chuckle) error....
They have been accused twice but not convicted.
Uh - no. They have accused much more than "twice"
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@rhonin Minor (chuckle) error....
They have been accused twice but not convicted.
Uh - no. They have accused much more than "twice"


True - I was thinking more of the major recent accusations from Samsung and Motorola Mobility since they are the big ZDNet Apple news of the week - but no matter how many accusations they are still accusations at this point not convictions as toddybottom would have us believe.

But yeah just a minor error... happy
@Pete "athynz" Athens
Then by the same logic that kind of sick market would also happen if Apple secured a ban on Android tablets, isn't it?

It maybe childish to say this but here it comes: it was Apple who started it.
@Samic

Then by the same logic that kind of sick market would also happen if Apple secured a ban on Android tablets, isn't it?

Apple went after Samsung for blatant copying, not the Android tablet market as a whole. Not sure why we continue to equate going after a single manufacturer as going after every manufacturer. Samsung gets banned in a certain country then that just means 100 other tablet manufacturers who are not as blatant can take Samsung's place in that country. (LG, Tochiba, Moto, Archos, Lenovo, LG, Asus, Augen, Acer, Sharp, Velocity Micro, Viewsonic, Viliv, Vizio, Panasonic, NEC, MSI, Fujitsu..........................). Get this, they may even benefit because they're also competing for sales with Samsung. How is Apple going after one player hurting everyone else?

Apple were the one who spawned the modern tablet market and created excitement we are seeing today. Samsung felt the need to copy closely Apple's phone designs and tablet designs and package designs, and cable and connector designs, and UI designs and Apple rightfully sued. http://www.hasfarsha.com/316
@dave95

From what you said about Samsung and on greater scale, there are at least 2 problems.

1) Apple did after all major Android manufactures, not just Samsung. This included HTC, Motorola, and Samsung. LG and Sharp both has current manufacturing contract with Apple and it's not something Apple can just switch like they did with chips from Samsung to TSMC. (Oh did you know that the TSMC change was a disaster?)
HTC's lawsuit, for example, is not about design but software patent.

2) Nobody thinks Samsung is "blatantly" copying Apple, this included almost all courts and normal people except Apple fanbios. What Apple claimed was Samsung copied "the minimalist design profile of that is rectangle and thin". Apple has been trying to monopoly such design and it has been failing everywhere. They failed in Dutch court, failed in Australia's high court and was being evaded in Germany court with minimal design change. The reason? nobody think they're being tricked thinking GTabs are iPads and for godsake, have you check the back of both tabs? I can also claim iPad is ripping off Samsung's old photo frame. But if Apple's iPad doesn't look like Samsung's old photo frame from the back meaning Apple wasn't copying, so does Galaxy Tab.

3) "Apple were the one who spawned the modern tablet market and created excitement we are seeing today. Samsung felt the need to copy closely Apple's phone designs and tablet designs and package designs, and cable and connector designs, and UI designs and Apple rightfully sued."

And they failed. Just because you created excitement of a market doesn't mean you can monopolized it. Go ask Microsoft who has been trying and failed to do the same thing with tablets.

Funny how Apple's lawyer didn't mention about the cable huh? It was people like, no offence, you and other bloggers alike who failed to recognize the cable is from PDMI standard. And you wonder why Apple failed to ban Samsung based on packaging? Try to have anything that is flat and rectangle and pack it in a rectangle box in the most efficient way, then you'll eventually come up with the same design. It's a natural evolution of package design in terms of logistic. Trying to argue this would be just as fruitfulness as trying to argue someone who believe in Intelligent Design.
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@Samic

+1
Well said.
Most (myself included) focused on the primary and neglected the secondary packaging.

Oops. shocked
@Pete "athynz" Athens So what if their products aren't there? Thats what apple has been trying to do since day one. Keep Android products out of the market. You think Samsung is their only target? They just went after samsung first because samsung is the biggest. So if they defeat Sammy then they can defeat all the rest.
Welcome to Patent War Mutually Assured Destruction, gentlemen!

Now, can we get to the business of retooling the patent system so the danged thing makes sense?
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Which would be what exactly?
Snooki_smoosh_smoosh 9th Dec
@dsf3g... nt
@Snooki_smoosh_smoosh

What... you want me to rewite the patent system in the space alloted to me in the comments section of a ZDNet story?

In broad strokes: we need to rework the patent system so that it is much better at denying patents that are overly broad, overly ambiguous, cover obvious techniques or prior art.

The fact that Apple can sue Samsung for releasing a tablet tha infringes on Apple's claim to exclusivity on rectangular, thin tablets is a laughable, pathetic joke, and the biggest victim are consumers.
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@dsf3g The fact that Apple can sue Samsung for releasing a tablet tha infringes on Apple's claim to exclusivity on rectangular, thin tablets is a laughable, pathetic joke, and the biggest victim are consumers.

Have you bothered to do a comparison yourself? Have you seen the pictures of the packaging and accessories that come with the Tab 10 and the iPad? Ray Charles could see that they are exactly alike.

I agree that the patent system needs to be reworked - but there also needs to be much tighter controls over the "copycat" products. What really gets me is most of you would be okay for Oakley to go after the companies that make the "fOakleys" (Fake Oakley sunglasses), for Coach to go after the companies that make the knockoffs of their products but when it's Apple going after a company that made a blatant knockoff of one of their products Apple is suddenly standing in the way of innovation, they are evil, corrupt, etc. Cue the Double Standards!
@Pete "athynz" Athens

I have. The Samsung packaging made me think of generic meds vs. name brand meds.

For the devices (which you view first, packaging being .... well.... who cares) they all look similar but it is really easy to see the diff between them. Could be the big "SAMSUNG" on the tab...
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I agree it is right that the law should go after knock off companies that make fake Oakleys BUT NOT go after companies that make something that looks like Oakleys but clearly has "Jo Smith Knock off" or some other branding. All samsung products have SAMSUNG written clearly on them - they may emulate or be similar to apple and other products but they are not knock offs.

As for the galaxy S2 there arent even obvious similarities - the screen is bigger and apple doesnt have have the back and menu buttons
@rhonin

You also forgot the 16:9/4:3 display format difference...
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Whoops!!!
rhonin 11th Dec
@brbroberts

LMAO!!!!

Was shooting at "reading" having little faith that all here get "reading, writing and arithmetic"....

chuckle grin
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ugh
30otnix 9th Dec
I stopped reading after: "FOSS Patents author Florian Mueller says". When are you guys going to stop quoting this windbag?
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That's a Good Question
CFWhitman 9th Dec
@30otnix
What Mueller says is so often just plain false, and he is a 'blogger for hire,' saying whatever is in the corporate interests of those who pay him.
Google/Motorola should make an offer to Apple to drop all claims forever against iOS devices/software if Apple will do same for Android devices/software. Once that is done the courts can get back to real work and we consumers can back back to being able to choose for ourselves.

As it stands right now an Etch-a-Sketch could be claimed as prior art to most of the tablets on the market today, it is after all a thin rectangular tablet with a couple buttons/knobs and reacts to motion.

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