CEO Ballmer's (non)answer on whether Microsoft will build its own Windows Phone

By | October 18, 2011, 7:30pm PDT

Summary: Should Microsoft move to a more Apple-like model and make its own smartphone? Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer didn’t provide a firm yes or no answer to that Web 2.0 Summit question.

Microsoft has put all its eggs in the multiple-OEM basket with Windows Phone.

Or has it?

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was the last speaker on the hot seat at the Web 2.0 Summit on October 18. Federated Media host John Battelle asked Ballmer about a wide-ranging set of topics in his 20-minute interview — everything from whether Ballmer regretted not buying Yahoo for $44 billion in 2009 (to which Ballmer replied “Sometimes you’re lucky”), to Skype’s role as a social-media property.

Steve Ballmer at the 2011 Web 2.0 Summit

Steve Ballmer at the 2011 Web 2.0 Summit (Credit: James Martin/CNET)

The one question to which Ballmer’s (non)answer somewhat surprised me was Battelle’s query about whether Microsoft would ever make its own phone. Even though the short-lived Kin was actually a Microsoft phone, despite Microsoft execs’ claims to the contrary, Microsoft has not gone the Apple route and created a closed-platform, end-to-end phone ecosystem with Microsoft itself as the only “OEM.”

In response, Ballmer told Battelle that the company was “focused on enabling hardware innovation.” Battelle re-asked the question, noting that making one’s own phone didn’t preclude hardware innovation. But Ballmer didn’t explicitly defend the current Microsoft multiple-OEM model. Instead, he repeated that Microsoft would focus on enabling hardware innovation..

The interpretations of that statement varied, as I saw on Twitter. Some took it to mean enabling hardware innovation of partners. And it’s worth noting that Ballmer also proudly told Battelle and audience that Microsoft phone partner Nokia would be showing a “bunch of new devices running Windows Phone” at the Nokia World show in London next week.

But Ballmer never said, point-blank, that Microsoft wouldn’t make its own Windows Phone.

In some ways, if Microsoft were to follow more of an Xbox-like model with phones, it would make life easier for itself. The company seemingly has licked operating system distribution problems, as its nearly problem-free delivery of the Mango Windows Phone update over the past couple of week has proven. However, there are reports from Mango users of a variety of problems seemingly introduced with the Mango update — everything from disappearing soft keyboards, to Zune service freeze-ups, to battery-drainage issues. Some of these problems, like the Zune one, seem to be tied to a single hardware platform (in the Zune case, HTC’s). A Microsoft spokesperson said they are investigating the reports of various reported issues.

Bit if Microsoft didn’t have to worry about so many different Windows Phones permutations and combinations, might it be able to maintain a tighter and less problematic Windows Phone platform?

Instead, even though the Softies seemingly have strong-armed (or sweet-talked) carriers into delivering the Mango phone OS update in a more timely manner than they did its predecessor NoDo, there’s still an extra step involved in making fixes to Windows Phones because of the multiple-handset-maker model.

If Microsoft does end up fixing the disappearing keyboard issue, battery drainage problem, or Zune freeze reported by some users, the company can’t and won’t just shoot the fix/fixes out as over-the-air (OTA) updates. I asked a Microsoft spokesperson about this today and was told that Microsoft will continue to follow its established policy of delivering any Windows Phone updates to handset makers and carriers; allowing them to test them; notifying users via messages on their screens of updates; and then pushing them out (via the Zune PC/Mac software client) to those needing them. This is a multi-step process that Apple doesn’t have to follow with the iPhone.

Is handset choice enough of a reason for Microsoft and its customers to stick with its current multi-OEM model for Windows Phone? Would the trade-off of fewer form factors for quicker updates and tighter integration be worth it?

Update: One of my Twitter chums, @joshuaziepke, made an interesting point. Microsoft could also pull a Google and have Nokia do a Microsoft phone on its behalf (similar to the Google Nexus). Microsoft doesn’t have to necessarily go no OEMs or all OEMs; it could straddle the fence.

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Who cares anymore?
mwidunn Updated - 18th Oct
I've had 3 Zunes, used Windows Live OneCare, and am using Win7 (albeit, not by choice). Anything MSFT actually "makes" is radioactive to me now. I want nothing more to do with it.
@taabello@... I do not know if it's a looser or not but this man certainly knows more than we know. Papa Johns Coupons
@mwidunn Apparently you still care if you're taking the time to read an all things Microsoft blog.
@mwidunn
MS may not have delivered the best hardware in the past but if they intend to go the mobile hardware route, they can do it with their OEM partners by doing a round-robin with each of them delivering an MS-branded handset for a staggered release, etc. A win-win for everyone and none of them feeling left out. This will also amount to more WP devices. MS should not take to just one OEM on this, it may backfire just as the Motorola issue with Google.
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Right. That sound so believable
William Farrell 19th Oct
@mwidunn
No really, it did.
I had 3 iPods, used MobileMe, and used OS X (albeit, not by choice). Anything Apple actually "makes" is radioactive to me now. I want nothing more to do with it.
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Believable is right
ScorpioBlue 19th Oct
I had 3 iPods

3?? What did you do? Dunk them in water? grin

used MobileMe, and used OS X (albeit, not by choice).

Now how did you manage to do that? Don't tell me that with the kazillions of Windows machines out there, you didn't have access to one? Hmm?

I have a new bridge to sell you. What color would you like?

Anything Apple actually "makes" is radioactive to me now. I want nothing more to do with it.

Whatsa matter? They didn't hire you at one of the Apple stores? Afraid you'd scare the customers away?

lol...
@ScorpioBlue in absolutely every conversation you're such a troll, jeez. Ever tried to contribute to something???
You do realize that (as a joke) he copied the entire post that's on top of this page and just changed "microsoft" to "apple". Grow some brains
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@ScorpioBlue in absolutely every conversation you're such a troll, jeez.

Gee, is this another sock puppet of the Ferret's? Poor way of showing it...

Ever tried to contribute to something???

Sure I have. Have you been over to the Ed Bott report, lately? We were having as nice debate over there.

Or maybe you did drop in under another name. Hmm?

You do realize that (as a joke) he copied the entire post that's on top of this page and just changed "microsoft" to "apple".

I know the stupid comment he made and I responded in kind. The guy never owned an Apple product in his life so he pretends with this nonsense.

Grow some brains

Soon as you do. Btw, you've been flagged for flagging me.
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@mwidunn
do you know what the #1 selling console for 2011 was?
Nokia should just create an Xbox Communicator or something. *scratches head*
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Just buy out Nokia
smulji 18th Oct
MS should just pull the trigger & buy Nokia outright. Nokia has global brand cachet and makes slick hardware. It would make sense.

This would allow MS to focus on developing the platform and Nokia to develop the hardware & services (ie; Nokia Maps, etc.).

Apple has proven that the "Xbox business model" is the right model for "post-pc" consumer devices. Do your own hardware, software & services.
@smulji
Why buy it now while it still has some value? Better to wait a bit longer until the share price drops even further.
@Habiloso
Nokia's share prices goes up with the release of their new phones.
@Habiloso

Because competition is ferocious right now. The longer you wait the faster you get left behind. The mobile device war is nowhere near over. Get going while you still have a chance to be a major player.
@Habiloso
companies like MSFT buy companies on the rise. not companies in decline unless said companies have unique abilities they want. nokia is a hardware maker. beyond the xbox, every single msft hardware project has failed. they aren't about to get into the hardware business of phone making. they learned from the zune that there is no profit in doing so.
Wrong.According to wikipedia:

The Xbox is a sixth-generation video game console manufactured by Microsoft. It was released on November 15, 2001

The iPod line was announced by Apple on October 23, 2001, and released on November 10, 2001.

That makes it the iPod model, not the x-box model.
@THavoc
Sorry but the iPod came out just 5 days before the xbox in Nov 2001
@THavoc I think the Ipod were released within 5 days of each other in Nov 2001, and the Xbox Live service was released a year before the iTunes Store was available. So yes, the Xbox model.
@THavoc The model in question is to own the hardware, software and services. Services for iPod were available the year after services for Xbox. And back to the xbox model we go.
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XBox model is correct
William Farrell 19th Oct
@THavoc
@smulji
that would be about the most dumb thing they could do. it would piss off OEMs and leave them with the zune 2.0. google is already finding out the hard way that when you mess with OEMs by competing against them, they will go to you competitor. noticed how samsung and HTC have been more receptive to wp7? it is a direct result of google's stupid decision to compete against it's own OEMs. MSFT isn't as stupid as to do that.
@smulji That would make Nokia radioactive to the brainwashed anti Microsoft crowd.
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Of course they should
Richard Flude 19th Oct
Copy apple with the Zune was a great success, I'd expect their mobile to be as successful.

Cmon Ballmer, use some of that wasted R&D money and produce a product. Plenty of product to copy- innovate with;-)
@Richard Flude As Zune had wireless sync and cloud streaming from Day 1, who is copying whom?
@dazzlingd

But it wasn't revolutionary or magical until Apple did it.
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Microsoft has repeatedly demonstrated that they don't have the capacity to do it (Zune) and repeatedly demonstrated that when Ballmer gets cold feet and drags the project out back and shoots it, the projects champion dies with it. (J Allard).

Microsoft could probably have succeeded with Zunes and could succeed with phones if they created a separate business to do the hardware, with a very large budget, and understanding that the business would not be shut down for at least ten years, and whose headquarters was far, far away from Redmond and did not answer to anyone at Redmond other than the CEO personally.

You'd need the resources to hire people with the inclination and ability to champion award winning industrial design, and never have to get approval from 'the committee' in Redmond - the committee which views anything new as a threat to be stamped out.

If they don't do these things, they'll repeat Zunes and Kins experience, and whoever the unlucky sap is who runs it will soon be looking for a post-Microsoft career.

Maybe they should accept their limitations, and just continue to make handset OS's for Chinese and Korean duplicators.

...

Ballmer: "Apple not a hot brand, our partners will make look-alike iPhones, I gotta go???" (March 2007)
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Yawn.
William Farrell 19th Oct
@HollywoodDog

You're soooo predictable. Wake us up when you have something of value to say.

(I guess that means we're in for a good night's sleep!)

"Technology shares are lower after Apple's iPhone and iPad sales are less then expected" (Forbes, 2011)
Ballmer-
I do not really want a Windows 8 tablet, but I would love to have a Mango tablet. Thank you.
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Haven't most of their experiments in that department ended in disaster? Zunes and Kins?
@HollywoodDog - and yet they've succeded way beyond most people's expectations with things like XBox and Kinect. And let's not forget Microsoft's pretty universal product manufacturing and distribution mechanisms employed for keyboards, mice, etc.

They COULD, if they were to really throw their weight behind this, do an awesome job of delivering a Microsoft branded phone, possibly in PARTNERSHIP with some of their key OEM's.
@bitcrazed

All they need to do is make a trackpad to work with the Win8 touch interface. I've tried it on OSX Lion. It's much more effective than a mouse.
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Good thing Apple didn't take your advice
William Farrell 19th Oct
@HollywoodDog: "hey Steve, you Lisa and Newton products were complete disasters! I would just license your OS out to companies, stay away from hardware".

That's the advice you would have given him?
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Answer is NO
JABBER_WOLF 19th Oct
Though MS can and DOES make great products.
Xbox and Zune, Kinnect, etc...
They have decided that certains are better as a SERVICE and not as hardware. Zune is an example of that - now its a service thats available to any hardware.

Wp7 is and will become a path, along with Windows 8, to one cohesive Windows 9 for all devices in the future.
I don't think it has to be MS branded.

What Windows Phone 7 needs is a flagship product. The nature of the Nokia/MS alliance is different than what MS has with Samsung, HTC and others. It could be that as part of the Nokia/MS agreement, that Nokia has agreed to produce a flagship phone, something that can get a Droid-like buzz that the Nexus phones have never had.
@AudeKhatru

I 100% agree. Xbox took a lonnnnng time for MS to finally get right. I don't think they should worry about making MS specific hardware. However, a strongly identifiable phone that serve as an iconic device, would be really help for pushing the brand/product recognition.

Also, MS builds extremely good UI products like keyboards and mice.
@AudeKhatru

Yes, agreed. The point remains that he doesn't say that and misses the opportunity to get some buzz going, offends his audience and makes himself look silly and corporate.

The world knows MS and Nokia are in bed together, why not just say that an incredible, tightly integrated flagship phone is coming that brings together 20 years of hardware making with 20 years of software innovation. If branding is not worked out yet then just say so; there's no shame in choosing to not answer a question but then just say so. Don't dodge.
There is a very simple answer to this - of course Ballmer WANTS to build the whole phone, and reap the profits from end to end. Only problem is, he needs other OEMs to help make the LoseDoze Fone7.x popular, and he knows full and well if M$ builds it own phone now the other OEMs will drop LoseDoze like a hot potato.

M$ on its own could never, ever, compete in the mobile phone market, and Ballmer is fully aware of this. His problem at this point is how long to wait before screwing the OEMs making LoseDoze based phones.

M$ pretty much already calls the shots at Nokia with a former M$ puppet CEO, buying them out now makes no sense.
I don't get this at all, why can't the man give a clear answer, or, if he cannot give a clear answer then explain why he can't, and when a decision is made. He commits to doing an interview, which in theory helps public relations and marketing, but then instead of being transparent and visionary we get dodging questions like a politician would.

That's just sad, for a CEO. At least come up with something on-topic, such as talk about the relationship MS has with OEMs, the strenghts and weaknesses of that, and then state that no decision has been made. Note that it's also perfectly fine to answer the question by answering that he cannot answer it right now, but don't disrecpect the audience with meaningless babble. That's offensive.
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Hmm, what has worked in the past?
NoAxToGrind 19th Oct
Apple did the "we own it end to end" with it's PC's, Microsoft went with supporting multiple partners. I suspect both companies would say they have the winning formula. wink
Whatever the product will be, it will be made by a big Chinese factory, like the iPhone and everything else. The only questions is about branding and sales channels. Will it be Nokia, or will it be Windows, or will it be a new brand even. (Like they tried, and failed, with the Z-word. wink If they come up with a new brand then please make it something unpretentious/minimalist. Just callt the thing '8' or something, nothing else on the case. And no Windows logo button either.
Of course he wouldn't because one day they may change their mind but today, Nokia is Microsoft's Windows Phone.
google's strategy to compete against its own OEMs with motorolla will backfire. MSFT knows not to do that. only OEMs can make wp7 a success just as they did with android. if google had tried to create its own hardware and piss off OEMs, they would have gone the way of the pre.
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