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If you want a Microsoft Winpad, this is what you get (until next year)

By | October 6, 2011, 10:57am PDT

Summary: According to a new survey, users seem very interested in Microsoft Winpad tablets, but what are their options for the next year or so?

A Boston Consulting Group survey out this week notes that 42 percent of U.S. consumers would be interested in buying a tablet that runs Windows — significantly more than those who’d prefer a tablet running iOS or Android.

You can get a tablet running Windows today from a variety of PC makers. However, like AllThingsD, which reported on the new survey, I don’t really think this is what those surveyed had in mind when they voted for a Winpad.

True touch-centric, more battery-conserving, more portable Windows tablets are coming next year (late summer/early fall seems to be the general consensus, though still not confirmed by Microsoft) with Windows 8. But Microsoft isn’t going to stop hawking Windows 7 machines until Windows 8 is ready.

In fact, just this week, Microsoft made available for download its “Get Started” guide for “Using Windows 7 Professional on a Slate PC.” (I feel as though Microsoft’s choice of “slate” over “tablet” here is somewhat odd, given that the devices in question aren’t “just” consumption devices.) The guide features all the usual suggestions — ones about which I’ve blogged before — for making Windows 7 better suited for use on a touch-first slate/tablet, including pinning sites using IE 9, setting up Jump Lists, pinning the Tablet PC Input Panel to the Taskbar, using Snap to compare windows, etc.

The new guide points to Product Scout to help users find applications suited for slate PCs. It also provides a link to the Office-411.com site which includes a video of a Windows 7 touch slate/tablet in action.

Is that it, then? Users who want Windows tablets sooner than next fall have to go with Windows 7?

The answer seems to be yes. But there is one ray of hope. Windows8update.com‘ s Onoura Amobi posted a tantalizing rumor (with the emphasis on the word “rumor”) on his Windows8update.com blog recently. Amobi said that Microsoft may be considering allowing one or possibly more hardware partners distribute the coming Windows 8 beta preloaded on new tablets. He said there’s talk that the OEM(s) would sell (at a steep discount) tablets preloaded with the Windows 8 beta, with the caveat that they’d be optionally upgradable to Windows 8 final upon final launch. Microsoft isn’t commenting at all on this, as Amobi noted.

I haven’t heard anything about this myself, but his post made me remember that leaked Dell roadmap from earlier last year that showed a Windows 8 tablet codenamed “Peju” due out around January 2012. Many are expecting Microsoft to deliver the one and only Windows 8 beta in January around the time of the Consumer Electronics Show. Definitely something that made me go hmmmmmm….

Update: Talk about synchronicity: Engadget posted some possible Peju pictures on October 6. (Peju is expected to be a Windows 7 tablet, but it still could be upgradable/usable as a Windows 8 one.)

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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RE: If you want a Microsoft Winpad, this is what you get (until next year)
baconman84 Updated - 3rd Feb
@reidar76 San Jose Plumbing
If Microsoft updated Windows 7 to work as well as Windows 8 desktop mode, that would be enough for me. The desktop IE browser in Windows 8 is way better in terms of how it responds to touch. I was using win7 on a tablet everyday until I got my device at BUILD, but what I've noticed is that touch works a lot better in Windows 8 desktop mode than in Win7.
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Not worth this much effort to build a touch friendly system and then force it upon the desktop OS. Who in their right mind would be interested in touching a desktop screen really? Win8 is focusing on the wrong thing.
@LBiege I'm adding "Who in their right mind would be interested in touching a desktop screen" to the same list as "640k is all you will ever need"...
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Asking the wrong question
voyager529 6th Oct
@WarmBody

640K is still plenty of RAM for a CLI machine running Wordperfect 5.1. At the time, there was no concept of a GUI being mainstream (Lisa was barely more than a concept machine at the time), and doing any kind of creative editing on computer would have gotten you laughed out of any video or photo editing studio. Heck, the original Applewriter laser printers that jump started desktop publishing with PostScript had more CPU power than the computers they were connected to.

Equating "who would use a tablet?" with "640K of RAM..." are two entirely different questions. One is technical, the other is societal. What does a tablet do that a desktop cannot? not much, except be portable. What does a machine with 4GBytes of RAM do that one with 640K cannot? run pretty much every application i've got open right now.

Joey
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RE: Asking the wrong question
selliott80919 6th Oct
@Voyager529

I think you missed WarmBody's point. Both comments are based on current perspective rather than future perspective. At the time, the societal understanding of computing need was met and exceeded by 640K or RAM. LBiege's comment is a societal comment based on his current perspective of computing need for slate / tablet based computing. Both are equivalent in terms of perspective on current computing needs, and the comment was that much as the 640K comment was short sided, so may be the Windows 8 comment related to its focus on touch computing.
@LBiege
Well i can name u many places or jobs who need or use a touch desktop.
-Cashier.
-Graphic designers.
-Salesman.
-Civil architect.
-Vendor machines.
-Inboard computers (in airplane,cars,...)
And many more.

Probably for home use a touch desktop doenst seem as usefull as it seem, but the Touch in Windows8 is not limited to a touch screen, it can be :
-a touch keyboard
-a touch trackpad
-a touch surface

So yes i think Windows 8 MetroUI will be just awesome, we just need to wait for the proper Input output devices hardwares to be available.
@LBiege What does is matter if it's a desktop screen or not? If I can touch it I want it to work. I don't care if it's a desktop App or Metro or iPad App, I just want it to work. My point was simple, Microsoft is also improving touch on the desktop side for the times you may need to quickly do something.
Win8 is focused on the future, It would seem there will always be someone complaining no matter what MS does. If they push ahead first then they're wrong, if they wait for some else to do it and then copy, then they're copycats and not innovators.
BTW, I've been touching a desktop screen everyday for almost 12 months, so I guess I'm not in my right mind. happy
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@selliot
baggins_z 6th Oct
future perspective won't change human anatomy. Having to constantly move your arm over a 27" display, horizontal or vertical is an exercise in pain and discomfort, and only geek engineers totally disconnected from reality would think it's a cool idea.
@SylvainT

???

-Cashier. = OK
-Graphic designers. = uhm No. I just imagine a graphic designer using a real ruler to get a line straight? grin

-Salesman. = OK

-Civil architect. = uhm the T-SQUARE? used on top a a Microsoft Surface would be better
-Vendor machines. = OK

-Inboard computers (in airplane,cars,...)
^ ...

...

Well just messin' with ya.. I got bored suddenly grin because I think I can't live without a Mouse. ^_^
@LBiege
Touch screen is next big thing. It's how we point something to do something. Before we move the cursor using arrow in keyboard and press enter. Later me move our mouse and click. Now move our finger and tap.
Win8 is trying to go there.
@LBiege It's not just about touch, that's a misnomer.

Read the blogs from Building Windows 8: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/10/03/evolving-the-start-menu.aspx
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ARM
reidar76 Updated - 6th Oct
Microsoft needs to test Windows 8 on the ARM architecture at a large scale. I would guess that the rumor is true, that Microsoft is trying to get hardware partners to launch Windows 8 beta tablets (running ARM SoC designed for Windows 8) around the time of the CES.
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I don't see Windows 8 changing that, it will even put some people off. Microsoft needs to develop a brand new, purpose built tablet OS with very tight and expert coding. They DO have the financial wherewithal to do it. They haven't so far had the guts to see that this would have been the right thing to do, so have lost a lot of time. As a gamble I'd say that if tablets are likely to be with us for any significant period of time (which in some form they must be!) then it isn't too late, and Microsoft still needs to get on and write a new OS.
@peter_erskine@... based on the study she linked to, 42% of consumers do not agree with you. In fact the most common comment I've heard is "I want one so I can run X on a tablet".

Most of the time "X" is World of Warcraft. I was surprised at first but after some thought this actually makes a lot of sense.
@peter_erskine@...
Please tell it to 42% of people who actually wanted Windows Tablet to play games. It seems they didn't understand the logic you understood.
@peter_erskine@...

"Microsoft needs to develop a brand new, purpose built tablet OS with very tight and expert coding."

They have. It's called Windows 8. Well, the name isn't official yet, but what we're calling Windows 8 will be it.

No, it's not 100% new, but I imagine it won't be running Win32 - it'll be running WinRT.

What exactly do you mean by a "new OS" anyways? An OS these days is made up of thousands of components, and Microsoft has rewritten nearly everything going from XP to Windows 8. I can't think of anything other than the kernel itself that hasn't been rewritten.

And the kernel itself was engineered from the ground up to be solid and portable. It ran on the following architectures: IA-32, x86-64, Alpha, MIPS, PowerPC, Itanium, and now the ARM. I think it's plenty capable of running on whatever they want it to run on.

I think you misjudge the architecture of Windows, and I think you misjudge what Microsoft can do.
@peter_erskine@...
If they decided to do that they already have the OS. It's called Windows Phone 7.5

But Windows 8 will get the job done, I'm very confident of that.
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I'm not sure that Windows necessarily offers much more utility than iOS or Android for things like taking and posting photos, browsing the Web, etc. My guess is that at least a lot of those people want to run Office on their tablet. But will Office be ported to the ARM OS? Will it run on a tablet with 16GB of memory and a low-power CPU? If not, it could take away a major reason to opt for a Windows tablet over the others.
@Al S Cook

Some people need more than a toy to post photos, browse the web, listening to music, playing games, and checking email. Think beyond the personal users and think more industry, business and education. Some of these need to be mobile just as much as the next guy and need access to specialized applications and functions a lightweight OS cannot deliver in it's current form.
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REALLY!
CustomComputers 6th Oct
I do not see any lines at the Microsoft Stores nor envision any coming soon! Windows 7 has not had the adoption rate anticipated as yet .. and Windows 8 looks to be a dismal failure when it finally comes to market.
Additionally the tablet/pad fad will have peaked and begun to fade by the time Ballmer & the boys decide what to copy next!
Consumers have already seen the short lifespan and true cost of ownership of this technology.
@CustomComputers

^^^^Clueless
@bobirc I think his opinion is as valid as any. There are serious questions about metro, windows 8, pricing and consumer demand
@kingcobra23

His opinion is but he is passing off some things of his opinion as fact.
@CustomComputers
>>Windows 7 has not had the adoption rate anticipated as yet ..
Really?
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Yes Sir
CustomComputers 6th Oct
I see three open source machines, six XP Pro machines, one Win7 machine out of ten in usage.
@CustomComputers

And I take it that your 10 machines is indicative of how the entire market works?
@CustomComputers It just passed XP in terms of market share, according to ZDNet:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/windows-7-overtakes-windows-xp-global-share/59469

Making it the #1 desktop OS.

So basically it's getting market share faster than any competitor.

So basically I don't think they really care about your idea of "adoption rate." It's far more than adequate.
@CobraA1

and what about XP machines that do not go surfing ?

My money is still on XP.
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Keep reading the tech blogs...
CustomComputers 6th Oct
@CobraA1 Then get out in the real world!
@CustomComputers
"Windows 7 has not had the adoption rate anticipated as yet"

I wonder where you get that idea ???
Statistics seems to show the opposite
http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201009-201109
@CustomComputers I agree that Windows 7's adoption rate isn't as anticipated, it's far better: "Windows 7 has officially sold 400 million licenses". Windows 8 will be more of the same.
@CustomComputers
"Windows 7 has not had the adoption rate anticipated as yet"

Really? Do you have any facts to support your hypothesis?
I am looking forward to the Winpads (if that is what they are going to be called) because I frequently have users of current tablets wishing they could do more. They love the mobility of the tablet and for many every day functions they can be more than adequate for an individual's need. I guess that is the key issue that they are designed around the individual user with not much thought for enterprise usage where devices may need to be set with certain settings on a mass scale or have apps and settings delivered to them remotely. This is where using a lightweight mobile OS has it's shortcomings. I am hoping Windows 8 is a way to possibly solve that issue where having a full OS underneath the tablet oriented UI can give the ability to use simple tablet based apps but have the option to have a full blown OS if it is needed. Yes this may be for people that need a full powered Office Suite or some application that simply cannot be placed into tablet form. Maybe they use the touch UI or maybe they use this as a complete mobile replacement and just dock the unit to get a full keyboard and mouse functionality. As I see it now many people carry their tablets as an accessory to their laptops and on occasion have to put the tablet down and pull out the laptop to do their work.
I am running Windows 8 on a HP 2760p touchscreen. Not great hardware for a tablet experience but I am impressed with the Win 8 UI considering it is PRE BETA. I think we will know a lot more about the future of the UI once the beta hits. One thing that stands out with this HP is that pen computing is actually useful.
@frankwick

I think that is the problem.. too many people are using Win8 on a non touch platform. I know running it in my VM it can be cumbersome but I have a friend that put it on his ASUS slate and it runs pretty good for what it is. There is room for improvement which I am sure we will see once it goes beta.
I want a windows tablet because, erm, ah oh.........

Nope, can't think of a single reason why as there are two other companies out there that offer excellent products already and are only going to be even better in 18 months time.
@Alan Smithie

Erm, Ah, Oh.......... I'm Alan Smithie and I'm stuck on Apple no matter how crippled and limited the ipad2 is. I will stick with it even though windows 8 is going to be leaps and bounds more powerful and robust than a measly ipad2, or ipad3, or even ipad4 will ever be.
@mikroland2.0

You think the ipad is crippled, wait until MS stuff you with UEFI and all the DRM that comes with TPC in another dress. W8 is going to be a mess, you have been warned.

Me ?

Android all the way.
@Alan Smithie

Microsoft could have the perfect OS and give out gold with each offering, and you still wouldn't pick one up. >>;
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Slate/Tablet
TheWerewolf 6th Oct
There seems to be a realignment in terms of use of these words...

Tablets are ARM based and run 'consumption' OSes

Slates are x86 based and run full OSes (ie: Windows) and usually include a stylus (which is kind of where the 'slate' part comes in - an allusion to using a slate for writing).
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What A Load Of Nonsense
ldo17 6th Oct
Classic case of market researchers being led astray by asking the wrong question. As Mary Jo is careful to mention: "I don???t really think this is what those surveyed had in mind when they voted for a Winpad." Those customers' buying decisions over the last 10 years speak for themselves: they had a chance to buy Windows tablets right back to Windows XP, but they didn't--they stayed away in droves. Why? Because Windows and a touch interface are a terrible combination.

Sure, they would probably buy a table that said "Windows" on it if it gave them the proper touch experience. But Microsoft has tried and, so far, failed to come up with that.
Surveys can reveal almost any market position, depending on what you ask. As admitted by the author, the surveyed audience probaby visualised something similar to desktop windows, rather than showed any particular loyalty to M$; people are unsettled by change, and that's reasonable.

In the real world, as with phones, people will pick the one that seems best within their budget - and there's little reason to suppose windows will be as good - let alone better - than the competition.

Of course the little bit of M$ hubris illustrated by calling it a slate rather than accepting that 'tablet' is here to stay, and that won't help the marketing teams;again, it's making it yet more 'different', just as people are getting familiar with the whole tablet concept.

I'm sure they'll sell well to loyal fans; but marketing is about getting NEW fans. Why make life more difficult than it has to be?
newgen.codeplex.com can give those win7 pads an extremely good clone of the win8 metro experience.
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"Microland" @mikroland2.0 So, as long as someone or I should say anyone chooses what you use they're ok, but if they have a different opinion than you they're using inferior equipment, tech what ever. Wow, you're really full of yourself now aren't you?

Thank god that there is choice, because I'm a wndows user, that recently purchased an ipad2, and I'm quite happy with it. It does everything I need it to do, and even though this site is Windows os only site, it's pretty evident that you, and bobiroc, and others believe the ipad to be toy's, have no idea what your talking about. It's being used in enterprise enviroments today, right now, with a host of apps that are for business, the problem is you guy's / girls are so negative about anything Apple, that if it isn't Windows, it must be junk, or a toy.

When the truth is very plain to see, the Ipad is just too far above you're limited understanding of tech, and how to properly use the device, and no, I'm not reffering to e-mail, and playing games; I'm talking about utilizing the device for enterprise use. I really feel sorry for you microland, because with your inflated faulty ego, you are probably destined to live out a very lonely life....Pity...
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RE: If you want a Microsoft Winpad, this is what you get (until next year)
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 9th Oct
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UGG 5202 infant erin Boots Dark Purple
UGG 5202 infant erin Boots Green
UGG 5202 infant erin Boots Pink
UGG 5202 infant erin Boots Red
UGG 5202 infant erin Boots Sand
UGG 5202 Infants Erin Boots Chestnut
UGG 5595 Seline Boots
UGG 5595 Seline Boots Black
UGG 5595 Seline Boots Chestnut
Purple UGG Classic Cardy 5819 Boots
UGG Classic Cardy 5819 Boots Blue
UGG Classic Cardy 5819 Boots Chestnut
UGG Classic Cardy 5819 Boots Chocolate
UGG Classic Cardy 5819 Boots Purple
 
UGG 5498 Adirondack Tall Boots
UGG 5498 Adirondack Tall Boots Chocolate
UGG Adirondack Tall Boots Chestnut
UGG 5593 Gissella Boots
UGG 5593 Gissella Boots Black
UGG 5593 Gissella Boots Chestnut
UGG 5593 Gissella Boots Chocolate
UGG 5678 Kensington Boots
UGG 5678 Kensington Boots Black
UGG 5678 Kensington Boots Olive
UGG 5678 Kensington Boots Toast
UGG 5756 Highkoo Boots
UGG 5765 Highkoo Grey Boots
UGG 5765 Highkoo Chocolate Boots
UGG 5765 Highkoo Black Boots
UGG 5765 Highkoo Red Boots
UGG 5822 Stripe Cable Knit
UGG 5822 Stripe Cable Knit Black White Boots
UGG 5822 Stripe Cable Knit Boots Blue White Boots
UGG 5822 Stripe Cable Knit Boots Chocolate White
UGG 5828 Roxy Short Boots
UGG 5828 Roxy Short Boots Black
UGG 5828 Roxy Short Boots Chestnut
UGG 5828 Roxy Short Boots Chocolate
UGG 5828 Roxy Short Boots Sand

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