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Is it time for Microsoft to relinquish the Evil Empire crown to Google?

By | February 1, 2012, 9:41am PST

Summary: Microsoft is taking its anti-Google campaign a step further with newpaper ads aimed at highlighting controversial changes in Google’s privacy policy.

There’s more than one way to grow market share, as the Softies know. Best products or first-to-market products don’t always win. Sometimes, a product can come to dominate largely because of the missteps of a competitor.

Not so long ago, Microsoft’s policy was to sit back and wait for users to grow disenchanted with the competition and ultimately (hopefully) gravitate toward the Microsoft alternative. (Exhibit A: Xbox vs. Sony PlayStation.) But these days, Microsoft isn’t leaving those defections up to chance. Instead, company officials have been increasingly willing to go public — via Twitter, Facebook, blog posts and ads — to fight back against the competition.

Google is one of Microsoft’s favorite punching bags right now, for many understandable reasons. This week, Microsoft took its Google-compete campaign a step further by taking out ads in three major national newspapers to help continue to fuel the anti-Google furor over privacy. (I’m not sure the readers of print newspapers (even big ones) are really the folks Microsoft has to convince here, but that’s just an aside.)

Microsoft doesn’t really need to stoke the fires much here. Even the U.S. Congress is demanding Google provide answers about its no-opt-out privacy policy taking effect March 1. And Google has been forced to explain and re-explain it (and probably before it’s over, re-explain it again).

But what Redmond is doing this time around is very non-Microsoft-like: They’re actively trying to capitalize on its competitor’s problems in a public way — and to boost the market share of their own alternatives — Hotmail, Bing, Office 365 and Internet Explorer — as a side benefit.

I like seeing Microsoft get more publicly aggressive. I can’t tell you how frustrating it’s been as someone reporting on Microsoft to call company officials for comment on Google’s or Apple’s or Salesforce’s or Oracle’s claims about Microsoft’s products or strategies and to be told “no comment” — even when it was obvious the competitors weren’t telling the truth, the whole truth or even the partial truth.

That said, when I first heard about it, Microsoft’s newest anti-Google campaign struck me as the pot calling the kettle black. Sure, Microsoft can rail about Google tailoring users’ search results based on information it collects about them, but isn’t Microsoft collecting the same kind of information about its users, in the name of providing more personalized, customized user experiences for users (and, of course, advertisers)?  Hey, Microsoft didn’t earn the “Evil Empire” nickname for its selfless customer love…

Frank Shaw, Corporate Vice Presient of Corporate Communications for Microsoft, told me there are differences.

“There is a difference between policy and practice. We don’t read customers mail. We don’t read customer documents. We don’t triangulate youtube views and searches. We don’t use the content of your Hotmail to target ads in Bing,” Shaw said.

Maybe it’s time for the passing of the Evil Empire crown to a new king? All hail the G-mail Man?

Update: Here’s Google’s response to points it says Microsoft makes in its new privacy ad campaign.

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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The hypocrisy of singling out Apple regarding supplier employment condition
Quidproquorum 26th Feb
"...Because Apple products are produced by people under "slave" like conditions (Foxconn). ..."
Oh, the myopic hypocrisy in statements like this, cavalierly made by Windows PC buyers who have never given a thought to how what they buy was made. If you were to examine the conditions under which Windows PCs were made, you would likely find far, far worse working conditions.
That honor belongs to Apple. From what I can tell, they intend to hold on to it very tightly.
@toddybottom_z
you nailed it!
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Agreed.. honor is all Apple's
Uralbas Updated - 1st Feb
Because Apple products are produced by people under "slave" like conditions (Foxconn).

MS taxes you for software... Apple bullies you with a greater TAX and insane contracts where you give up 30% of your profit to them. MS never was so Evil. And yet at the same time it pays those who create their products pennies and let them work under inhumane conditions.

Having made so much money, you would think, they would consider changing some of this. And yet they don't. Earn 10 dollars less (just a random number) on each product will not change the bottom line significantly, though it would allow those people to have better working conditions.

It also took all those jobs for the average American away from US soil, and doesn't bring them back, even though the US desperately needs it. They can't bring them back, because here regulations would not allow such poor treatment of any employee.

Yes it is capitalism at its greatest. Though, morally, its wrong in the most fundamental way. It denigrates humanity as whole.

For this reason alone I will never promote or purchase another Apple product.

Even if Apple does correct their ways, the fact that they let it go on for so long with so many suicides associated with it. I will never bring my self to be part of it, by purchasing an Apple product.

Back on point, IE's market share will only decline. As will Win OS across multiple devices. The trend wont change any time soon. Search wise, MS has too much to do to be able to compete effectively. Apple will most likely be the next Google competitor before MS has a chance at anything. And it will be left as the smallest player in a field that it dominated for so long.

MS's current plan to attach Google is foolish. The real Gorilla is Apple. Though I would venture to guess, that MS wont care, as they have a cut of that pie, some time ago.
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@Reply to Uralbas ... If you look at corporate America, Apple isn't any different than legal firms, insurance companies, oil companies, etc. What Apple is doing overseas is in a different world, with a different cost of living. For now, paying $17 a day most likely is paradise compared to them not being there at all. If the cost of living changes, they probably will increase the wages. It's not the USA. Medical drugs cost $65 here and $2.00 in Canada. They have dormitories and clinics for health care, better than a lot in the US have. Even Malaysia has universal health care where a CAT Scan only costs $5 and major surgery with chemotherapy is $40 without the patient having any insurance. The USA is all about abuse and greed and MS is always at the bottom of the barrel.

As far as Apple customers, they don't complain and are happy with their purchases. The only OS on par with Apple is also a Unix derivative called Linux. Microsoft has nothing to do with Linux, (except for what it steals) and it's security record proves it. People go to Apple because they've had it with Windows failures and infections. MS smartphones have been almost completely shunned by the public. Microsoft has a 5% stake in Apple Computer.
@Uralbas - I agree completely with what Joe.Smetona wrote. With the exception that Microsoft has no stake in Apple at all. They sold their 150 million in stock and had a good pay day. Those days are now over.
"...Because Apple products are produced by people under "slave" like conditions (Foxconn). ..."
Oh, the myopic hypocrisy in statements like this, cavalierly made by Windows PC buyers who have never given a thought to how what they buy was made. If you were to examine the conditions under which Windows PCs were made, you would likely find far, far worse working conditions.
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rhonin 1st Feb
@toddybottom_z

+1
@rhonin
And one more +1. I have not considered Microsoft to be a bad boy for many years. On the other hand there is absolutly no Google tool bar, Google + Etc on any of our computers, I just do not trust them as there seems to be lots of greed there, just like Apple.
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@rhonin - Sorry. Like another poster wrote about how he will never buy Apple because of his faulty view of what they have done, Microsoft will never be absolved of their sins. I seriously can't wait for the day that Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer weep for their company that once was so evil it almost ruled the world buy ended up in the slag heap. Never forget!
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New employee motivation
jorwell 1st Feb
@toddybottom_z

Since Google dropped the "do no evil" policy, all employees have to participate in a session every morning in which they rub the backs of their hands and cackle insanely.
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the JUDGE on Msft Evilness....
Davewrite 1st Feb
@toddybottom_z

Judge Jackson during the U.S vs Msft trial:
" Microsoft executives had "proved, time and time again, to be inaccurate, misleading, evasive, and transparently false. ... Microsoft is a company with an institutional disdain for both the truth and for rules of law that lesser entities must respect. It is also a company whose senior management is not averse to offering specious testimony to support spurious defenses to claims of its wrongdoing."


Businessweek on the same trial "Early rounds of his (Gates) deposition show him offering obfuscatory answers and saying 'I don't recall' so many times that even the presiding judge had to chuckle. Worse, many of the technology chief's denials and pleas of ignorance have been directly refuted by prosecutors with snippets of E-mail Gates both sent and received."

I've been called Apple Fanboy for saying LESS...

happy
@Davewrite
Thanks for the breaking news, a la 1998?
@QAonCall
What have they done back then that they aren't doing today? The majority of the practices they got in trouble for continue today. Ironically, it's their poor performance (relative to the other major tech companies) that has prevented the DoJ from doing something about it.
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@ QAonCall
Davewrite Updated - 1st Feb
@QAonCall

oh... if you want newer... there's also the internet Explorer cases in Europe from a few years ago etc. which msft lost as well. Point is Msft has been convicted of crimes and Apple hasn't even come close to Msft's troubles with the law and yet we have Toddy's "That honor belongs to Apple. From what I can tell, they intend to hold on to it very tightly."

as for Apple's 'evilness' that it's accused of today, Apple evil for Foxconn, Msft also uses Foxconn, Apple evil to charge developers 30%, Msft also charges 30% for wp7 apps, Apple sues android OEMs is evil, msft ALSO sues android oems and gets money!.. etc...

so msft has a bigger HISTORY of evil, losing numerous court cases around the world, has judges like the above writing about it's 'evilness' and continues to match apple point for point like Foxconn (except it doesn't seem - I could be wrong - to do half the auditing or offer free classes to Foxconn workers in English, business etc that Apple does) so how does Apple hold the 'Crown' of evilness?
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They sure did -close to 20 years ago.
William Farrel 1st Feb
@Davewrite

But then the moment people start to question whether Apple should hold the crown, try and make actions from 20 years ago worse then Apple's current actions.

Sure you failed, but it wasn't for lack of trying!
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@Davewrite

Might want to check out the admonishments Jackson received, he acted more like a prosecutor than a judge, and was called out for it and basically taken off the case.

He's a nut, in short.
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@Davewrite

and yet Jackson seemed to love his time in sun, so much so he was removed from the case. not somthing done often.
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@Farrel how did I fail? lol
Davewrite 1st Feb
@Davewrite

quote examples of apple's evilness equal to the billions Msft had to pay in fines.

also about the past, why not? lots of people (plenty here in zdnet posting) say B.Gates is a saint (charity etc) vs Jobs conveniently ignoring HOW he got 10 times the money as s.Jobs (although in the last few years Apple makes more money than Msft).

as for RECENT events look at my post to QAonCall about the actions over which Apple is tarred as evil e.g Foxconn, Msft ALSO users Foxconn, Apple sues Android OEMs is evil, Msft ALSO sues Android OEMs etc etc.
@Davewrite

Msft used their billions to discredit Judge jackson. Regardless of what the FUD you don't get to be the judge of one of the biggest business case in U.S history by being a dumbo.

also Msft still had to pay hundreds of millions in Fines and they are still paying.. recently Wisconsin schools bought hundreds of iPads with money got from Msft settlement. lol.
@Davewrite

Jackson discredited himself. It was his public statements, from his own lips, not PR from any company, that led to him being taken off the case.
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Ya. right.
Gisabun 1st Feb
@Davewrite : You keep on mentioning this gibberish but I don't see any proof of whatever you have said. We are supoose to take your word on this stuff? If you quote, give the link. If not, it's useless.
Oh, difference between Apple using Foxconn and Microsoft [and others] using Foxconn is that Apple is a hardware company [MS has little in comparison]. If every Foxconn factory in China went on strike, Microsoft would survive? Apple? Nope. They derrive most of their revenue from their gadgets.
Must be nice to bring up news that is supposely 23 years old.
Might as well blame Obama for the slavery in the 1800s or the the killing of natives prior to that.
While at it, Apople is at the center of more law suits than any other computer/technology company.
"Msft used their billions to discredit Judge jackson." Dreaming again? They used billions to bring down a judge while it would cost less to settle? Get real.
@Davewrite

Apple could change my opinion of them if they just paid a dividend. They hoard cash outside the US to avoid paying taxes. They are not the only one, but they are the worst one. Most of the other offenders pay at least SOME dividend. Dividends lead to taxes which lead to schools being kept open, teachers not losing jobs, emergency workers not losing jobs, military not being cut - the things people expect from government
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@Gisabun are you clueless or what?
Davewrite Updated - 1st Feb
@Gisabun

when I said Msft had billions to fight Judge Jackson, i obviously meant they had the net worth of billions (common usage), not that they are going to spend actuall billions on lawyers.
sheesh.. parsing grammar implications.. (ok even if my grammar was confusing) still the big fat FACTS are:

1) Msft lost the case and had to pay huge amounts of money in the hundreds of millions in fines
2) Gates and other high msft executives were found lying on numerous occassions during the trial when emails etc were exposed
3) Msft hired plenty of top notch legal guys to tarnish Jackson in appeals and applied a lot of lobbying pressure .

Msft was so much larger than the other companies at that time that it was unbelieveably arrogant and dishonest -- they figured they could get away with it because they were microsoft -- regardless of what you think of Jackson, Msft still LOST and had to PAY. fact.


as for " You keep on mentioning this gibberish but I don't see any proof of whatever you have said"


proof? I quoted DIRECTLY from Jackson's statements during the trial dude..
go google it yourself...
as for suing Android OEMS, are you living under a rock?, it's well known msft sued HTC etc and is getting payments from them.

and for your ". If every Foxconn factory in China went on strike, Microsoft would survive?" lol you just screwed yourself with that argument.. .

Yes, Msft does NOT NEED foxconn to survive BUT they STILL use it (instead of somewhere else) !. SO! by your argument msft is although they don't need to as hardware is so small a part of their business uses foxconn (to eke out the last bit of financial advantage?) By your argument apple users foxconn as it as no choice as it needs to survive but msft uses foxconn without really having a need to... so who is more evil? lol. can't you see you've blown yourself with your own argument. rotfl.

as for being SUED, there's a difference between companies suing each other for patents etc, and being charged by Governments all over the world and losing -- if you can't see that there's no hope for you. AND since you say i don't have 'proof' why don't YOU show me some proof that "Apople is at the center of more law suits than any other computer/technology company" ? huh? (note recently too that apple won more cases then it lost. it got devices banned and didn't get a single one it's own banned)
@Davewrite
Thanks a lot for the history lesson!! Now back to the current day and who do we have in the spotlight???
@Davewrite

If you want to be right about Microsoft 20 years ago... fine... I'll admit that they were the big bully. 20 years ago.

Your implication about IE in Windows in the UK... seriously? Who else might bundle their browser in the OS? hmmm... That's not an issue of them being a bully. Find me something else more recent, and that actually makes sense please.
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There's a Difference, However
CFWhitman 1st Feb
@toddybottom_z
There is a difference with Apple, however. I can continue to ignore Apple just like I have for the past twelve years with no consequences. For every Apple device, there is an alternative that I can get just as much use out of for the same or less money. As big as Apple is, they don't really have any effect on my life.

On the other hand, I still can't ignore Microsoft, even now. I have to deal with Windows all the time, and couldn't stop dealing with it without making drastic changes in my life. Oh, it's true that I don't really have to deal with it much on my own hardware anymore (a VM for my GPS unit software is the lone exception I can think of), but I deal with a lot of hardware that's not mine.

Even Google doesn't really make it so I absolutely have to deal with them right now, but it looks like they have a better chance to make it so I have to deal with them than Apple does. Sure, I can use DuckDuckGo, Bing, or Yahoo for search for the moment, and there are other email providers, and even alternatives to YouTube, so I might be able to not use Google at all, but I think they are closer to ubiquitousness than Apple.
@CFWhitman

no there is not. itunes and ipod control the market for music. If I dont have itunes there is a huge amount of media I can not access.
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@evilcart
I've never had iTunes on any computer (even ones that I've run Windows on). I've never owned an iPod. I've also never wanted to buy a song or video but found that I couldn't because I didn't have iTunes. I'm not even aware of anything that I didn't want that was exclusive to iTunes.
no there is not. itunes and ipod control the market for music. If I dont have itunes there is a huge amount of media I can not access.

Garbage. You can get 99% of it from other sources. Amazon for one.
@CFWhitman On the other hand, I still can't ignore Microsoft, even now. I have to deal with Windows all the time, and couldn't stop dealing with it without making drastic changes in my life

But you DO have the choice... How you've chosen to live your life is not Microsoft's decision. It's yours.
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Not quite
ScorpioBlue 2nd Feb
But you DO have the choice... How you've chosen to live your life is not Microsoft's decision. It's yours.

Not quite. The fact is, going into any professional employment situation, you can't avoid Windows. Every employer I've worked for doesn't offer a choice. That's like trying to avoid Xerox or fax machines. Can it be done? You tell me.
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Bull
MacCanuck 1st Feb
MS didn't have to relinquish anything.

Google took the crown all by itself.
@MacCanuck yep, although I agree with others that Apple is pretty nasty as well...face it, NO for-profit company is in business of "doing good", but the fact that Google tries to sidestep that with the mantra "do no evil" is really a slap in the face of the consumer...essentially considering them/us too stupid to realize they are no different than any other for-profit company...had they just done it without the pious attitude, I'd be more accepting of their practices.

Anyway, it is what it is and the only people calling MSFT "evil empire" are aging IT pros who are stuck in their heydays back in the 90s. Anyone in their 20s doesn't consider them evil - old and bloated maybe - but not evil and certainly not an "empire" anymore given the successes of Google and Apple.
@toddybottom_z I can only assume you are a troll because you are so totally wrong (or right if you are a troll).
Microsoft got their nickname of the Evil Empire because they used their vast resources in OS revenue streams and their control of the platform to dominate or at least kill off and unfairly compete against its competitors in other markets (Office products, databases, web browsers, hand held PC's...the list goes on..go research it). MS generally looked atwhat the market was doing and then using a combination of FUD (fear uncertaininty and doubt) , EEE (embrace, extend and extinguish) and good old fashion standover tactics (let us buy you because you certainly do not want to compete with us) would quickly dominate the market.
Apple on the other hand squirrelled away doing their own thing even though they have had many opportunities to license their technologies (iOS being the latest) become generic and earn big money. But that is not their philosphy...they are a good old fashioned company that actually likes to design and build things and gets pissed off when others copy them. I can understand that. Their philosophy is we will make the best and if people want to buy it then good for them and good for us....if they do not want to buy it then they have other options...as long as those options are not lazy copies of our hard work. Seems reasonable.
@global.philosopher What has Apple ever done original for anyone to copy? The trash can? Big whip de do!
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@global.philosopher But that is not their philosphy...they are a good old fashioned company that actually likes to design and build things and gets pissed off when others copy them.

ROFL. That was a good one... You were kidding, right?
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@toddybottom_z

The moment you use a connected phone, pc, laptop, tablet etc you've just signed away your privacy to every data trawling monkey on the planet.
Goolge, MS and Apple are children at this game when compared to Governments.
@toddybottom_z Apple has always been evil. Now one of their Borg Drone fanbois can flag me too!
@paulfx1 - Another misdirection of Microsoft tags. Borg Drone has described Microsoft fanbois and shills for decades. You Microsoft folk simply can NOT come up with something original.
@toddybottom_z Well its like this:

Apple - Lawful Evil
Microsoft - Neutral Evil
Google - Chaotic Evil

(Think Character temperaments in RPGs hehe)
@toddybottom_z +1, times millions. Apple is the evil that people accused MS of being (and that MS may have been) in the 90's.
@Romberry and that MS may have been

No, not may have been.. they definitely were. I think for the most part Apple and MS are about the same on the "evil" scale these days. With Apple holding a slight lead now, though Apple certainly seems to be trying hard to become what MS was.
@toddybottom_z

Yes, another +1 here. I'd be a bit more supportive of Apple if they gave some of their billions to charity, as Bill Gates continues to do.
@TV John

Oh forget the philanthropy of the Gates Foundation; what privately giving more to help others in need than many governments and certainly more than other individuals give. He is still Lord Vader of course and nothing else really matters.

Now, if you where cheap jeans and a turtle neck, don't shave, use foul language to demean your competitors then you are cool and acceptable.
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@TV John - Bill Gates is a hack that is desperately trying to influence his place in history. Blood money is always blood money, even when used for a good purpose. Bill Gates will never be able to outrun his awful reputation.

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