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Microsoft and HP: Love on the rocks?

By | April 30, 2010, 8:15am PDT

Summary: When Microsoft announced it was pulling the plug on its Itanium support earlier this year, I wondered whether there was any pushback from HP, a long-time Itanium backer. But given this week’s turn of events — with HP buying Palm and rumors that HP might not come to market with its Windows 7 slate — many industry watchers are wondering whether the long-time Microsoft-HP love affair has gone sour.

When Microsoft announced it was pulling the plug on its Itanium support earlier this year, I wondered whether there was any pushback from HP, a long-time Itanium backer. But given this week’s turn of events — with HP buying Palm and rumors that HP might not come to market with its Windows 7 slate — many industry watchers are wondering whether the long-time Microsoft-HP love affair has gone sour.

Microsoft and HP aren’t going public with any “he said/she said” details, so it’s hard to know for sure. But let’s look at what we do and don’t know, at this point.

Things we don’t know for sure:

1. The fate of the HP/Windows 7 slate

TechCrunch is citing one unnamed source who they are portraying as having been “briefed on the matter” saying HP has decided not to deliver the Windows 7-based slate that Microsoft and HP have been touting for the past few months, and which many were expecting to ship this summer.

I’ve seen other reports claiming that HP officials told analysts that they had decided to postpone or kill the Slate due to HP’s Palm acquisition. In fact, no one from HP said that (according to the transcript from that call). Here is what HP’s Executive Vice President Todd Bradley did say:

Q: Todd, what is the timeline to evolve webOS to run on HP hardware and specifically on different form factors with larger screens?
A: So, first, we need to get the transaction closed before we get to talking about timelines. Obviously, as part of due diligence, we ensure the capability to create these products, but we have not announced any specific timelines at this point.

I asked an HP spokesperson in the Personal Systems Group whether the Win 7 slate was dead and was told: “We don’t comment on rumors or speculation.”

2. Whether HP will still make Windows Phone 7 devices

When Microsoft announced its list of Windows Phone 7 partners in March, HP was on that list. (OEMs “committed to include Windows Phone 7 Series in their portfolio plans” included Dell, Garmin-Asus, HTC Corp., HP, LG, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, Toshiba and Qualcomm Inc.” HP has not leaked or shown off any Windows Phone 7 devices so far. But now that HP owns Palm, will the company put all its mobile eggs in the webOS basket or, as some other phone makers like HTC have done, diversify its phone lines with different products based on different operating systems?

Things we do know for sure:

1. Microsoft’s Courier is dead

Microsoft has decided not to bring to market its Courier dual-screen tablet, company officials confirmed early this week. I’ve seen some folks speculating HP — because of its background in touch tablets — might have been the OEM that Microsoft was counting on to build Courier. I had not heard any rumors that Microsoft was looking to HP as one or one of a few Courier OEMs. In fact, I had heard Courier would be like Xbox, Zune and Kin — something Microsoft was planning to single-source and market as a “Microsoft” product.

2. HP is still one of Microsoft primary PC and server partners.

Even if HP does decide to bring to market a number of webOS-based phones and tablets/slates, I’d be very surprised if HP was planning to end its long-term, lucrative Windows OEM partnership with Microsoft. I’ve seen some bloggers claim HP is tired of its dependence on Microsoft and sick of paying Redmond for each copy of Windows it preloads on its PCs. But if Microsoft continues to get phone makers running Linux-based operating systems to agree to license its patents, “free” Linux operating systems might not be so free any more…

A growing number of OEMs are looking to phone/mobile operating systems to power their slate/tablet offerings for a variety of reasons. Mobile operating systems often offer better battery life than client-based operating systems, like Windows. To date, mobile operating systems have required lower per-copy licensing fees than client-based ones.

But mobile operating systems don’t have the same variety of applications available for them as client-based OSes do. Sure, you can find lots of Web-based apps and apps that run on smartphones which their makers may or may not have customized for slates/PCs. But there aren’t anywhere near as many business apps, custom apps and rich-client apps that have been ported to phones as are available on PCs.

There’s debate internally at Microsoft, I hear, as to whether the Windows Phone OS should/could be used as a PC operating system. But remember: The Windows client team is the golden child these days in Redmond and the Windows Phone team is a (much) struggling entity.

Microsoft isn’t talking about whether HP is still going to deliver the Windows 7 slate. If HP doesn’t, does Microsoft have a Plan B partner on whom it will pin its future tablet/slate hopes? No word so far.

One of my sources did raise an interesting question, “We all should be asking why strong partners like HP and Dell promote new devices that are not based on Microsoft technology and what the impact will be as PCs evolve. Is Microsoft further destined to become even more like IBM?”

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Mary Jo has covered the tech industry for more than 25 years for a variety of publications and Web sites, and is a frequent guest on radio, TV and podcasts, speaking about all things Microsoft-related. She is the author of Microsoft 2.0: How Microsoft plans to stay relevant in the post-Gates era (John Wiley & Sons, 2008).

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RE: Microsoft and HP: Love on the rocks?
JACOBSONR 14th Oct
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My take
Cylon Centurion Updated - 30th Apr 2010
Is that I hope HP still comes through with a Win7 Slate. I fell in love with it right after Steve showed it off at CES.

I think it would be a great device to have around the house instead of sitting at the computer desk constantly or pulling out my laptop. Having a full featured OS on a tablet gives the user more control over what they can do with the device.

I'm also happy to see someone point out that the fate of the Slate is pure rumor at this point and that there is no information to confirm those rumors.
Also, Android will be appearing on a ton of
tablets very soon. No word on ANY Win 7 tablets
other then the HP one that is not cancelled.
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But what we have here is
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
Phone operating systems ported to work on tablet devices. Lousy, lousy, lousy, and just pure lousy.

These aren't smartphones and are capable of so much more, what we need is a pure tablet OS, personally, I would love for Microsoft to take WM7, and develop an offshoot to run specifically on a tablet, it's lightweight, completely touch based, gets amazing battery life, and would revolutionize touch based computing with the Metro UI.

This is why the iPad is beating everyone else out. Apple has a platform for running a tablet device, while others are running ported, watered down, under delivering, smartphone operating systems. There is a huge difference there.
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Porting a desktop...
Dave32265 30th Apr 2010
OS to it is just as bad an idea IMO.
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WHAT????
pedroroque 30th Apr 2010
Last time i checked, the ipad was running the iphone os... meaning, its a big ipod touch, nothing more, nothing else.
And that is not a bad thing, I would use to watch fotos, play videos, etc. But I don't to work on THAT tablet.
For work, i would like some kind of device that has all the power of a real computer. But on a real computer, i would need a real keyboard, in order to use visual studio. If someone could just invent something that could be used as a regular notebook and in tablet form... wouldn't it be so "futuristic"?
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Yes, but
Cylon Centurion Updated - 30th Apr 2010
You could look at the iPhone and the iPod Touch as a tablet computer in their own right, making the iOS a tablet based OS, and not a smartphone mobile OS like WebOS and Blackberry.
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agreed
pedroroque 30th Apr 2010
And that even explains why the iphone sucks as a phone!
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Well, you can look no further than
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
AT&T on that. Haha happy
It just comes out this week. That's what small form factor devices should be based upon.
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why don't you buy one?
banned from zdnet again and again 1st May 2010
the archos 9 is readily available.
Nice to claim, but then these bloggers don't have anything to lose when they're wrong.

Even moreso with it's popularity at what it is, would they commit suicide and not sell a Windows PC?

How many people would just drop HP as a vendor and move to Dell or Acer for their needs?
But, that does not mean that they like it.
Building PCs that will run Windows costs HP a
fortune in extra memory and processing power.
All for Win32 compatibility.
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the cost to build a system to run today's releases of Linux are the same; Ubuntu is a hugelly bloated release of a once decent OS, and they're all following suit.

And an ARM PC just isn't powerfull enough.

So don't try to blame MS for Linux and ARM's shortcommings.
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and a complete software collection. Now compare that to a very basic win7 installation which barely fits in a DVD (a very basic win7, I repeat, unlike the complete Ubuntu CD no other software is included in the very basic win7 DVD.)

And let us not even mention memory consumption, cpu consumption or boot time, the comparison wouldn't even be fair.

A Warning: Don't talk about stuff you know nothing about, you risk letting everyone know how limited you are (oops, too late.)
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Then Linus was wrong when he claimed Linux bloated?
John Zern Updated - 30th Apr 2010
A Warning: Don't talk about stuff you know nothing about, you risk letting everyone know how limited you are yourself, but we figured that out pretty much by your second post that you tend to hope people forget the negative things that people have read abou Linux.

Time for you to grow up...
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You do realize that you are
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
Comparing oranges with apples right?
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No body cares whether an OS fits in a single CD or takes DVD. Because
the media that carries the software doesn't carry value. if you are worried
about CD or DVD or any other media that carries the software then you
are still in 80s.
--Ram--
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um..
Badgered 30th Apr 2010
Building PCs that will run Windows costs HP a fortune in extra memory and processing power.
All for Win32 compatibility.


Um, I'm certainly no business genius... but I'd have to guess those costs are passed on to the consumer. And if HP's prices were too high, they wouldn't be selling.

I could imagine consumers complaining about the extra costs, but not HP.
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RE: Microsoft and HP: Love on the rocks?
pedroroque 30th Apr 2010
When HP and Microsoft announced the HP Slate, I believe the thought that Apple?s IPad would be a OSX device, and not the gigantic IPod it turn out to be.
To fight what is basically a media device, with tremendous battery life, Windows 7 / x85 processors will not be the answer.
My dream device? Something like the IPad that I could connect to my Windows Home Server, and able to play anything I own.
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A WM7 tablet?
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
I think that would be a cool idea as well. Develop an offshoot of the WM7 platform as a purely tablet based OS. I think the Metro UI would turn quite a few heads running on a tablet.
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Exactly!
pedroroque 30th Apr 2010
Exactly!

I just love the WP7 interface, and moreso the programming model for the device.

Currently, I can stream media from any of my computers to any of the TVs in my house (thanks, win7!), but a nice tablet that could connect to my Win Home Server and play anything I have on it, would be great.
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That I would buy into
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
I just can't hop on the WebOS boat. I have a few friends now with a Palm, and I can't really say that I'm impressed in the least bit with WebOS. Not on a phone, and certainly not on a tablet.

I often think what would be the case if my Zune HD was a tablet device, and fall in love with the possibilities. It fits the bill perfectly, it's lightweight, completely touch based, amazing battery life, and would revolutionize the way we interface with touch based devices.
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Let's see a WP7 phone first
matthew_maurice 30th Apr 2010
Don't forget, those are still up to 6 months away.

However a WP7 tablet does make sense, in the same way that an iPhone
OS tablet made sense for Apple. It's a lot easier to scale up an OS to be
more robust, than strip down a bigger OS into a lighter weight
environment, particularly Windows. Depending upon how Microsoft
approached their "re-write" of the mobile OS, they could have positioned
themselves to do exactly that.
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Uniformity is the key.
John Zern Updated - 30th Apr 2010
I think this is a logical move to kill off the Courier for future consideration.

Right now it's about development of Apps.

Why have a Windows 7 program, a WMP7 program, and a Courier program, when putting WMP 7 on a tablet allows that developer the chance to write an App that will work on both the phone and tablet, as it is done with Apple and Android.

No need to choose a platform. Then maybe add support in Windows (even if with virtualization) might allow one app to work on all three platfoms.

I can see that being a real possibilty.

Even Google's talking up "Android Tablets" but haven't heard a squeak about "ChromeOS tablet", or much of ChromeOS for that matter.
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no real need to virualization
pedroroque 30th Apr 2010
Any developper should be able to port a WP7 Silverlight app to PC or Mac with little effort.
You just need to swapp the UI, and that should be easy, as long as your app is well designed.
Samething with XNA. With very little effort, any app can be made to run on XP7, Windows and XBox.
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Metro UI May Turn heads
itguy08 30th Apr 2010
right to the toilet to puke. WP7 is a horrible UI and downright nasty from a style perspective.
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of course
pedroroque 30th Apr 2010
Of course it is. A flat grid of icons is so mutch better!
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What's wrong with it?
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
It's new and fresh, and not just a Android wanna be or real estate littered with icons.
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Really.
Rama.NET 30th Apr 2010
how about cluttering the homepage with icons and shortcuts to widgets
or one of those totally. Metro UI is more ubiquitous than some of the
cluttered icons and/or shortcuts to widgets. it is easy to think scrolling
vertically than scrolling horizontally. That is one of the reasons why
Apple's TableView Navigation is popular among the apps delivered for it.
--Ram--
Only not the way you expect, I fear.
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Your posts turn quite a few heads
John Zern 30th Apr 2010
as we're too polite to laugh at you in your face. happy
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LOL!
AllKnowingAllSeeing 30th Apr 2010
I laughed!
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LoL
Rama.NET 30th Apr 2010
Have you really used Metro UI, I don't think so, otherwise you wouldn't
show your ignorance about it here so openly.
--Ram--
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No No. This is all backwards
hawks5999 30th Apr 2010
"Msft got HP to buy Palm so that HTC, or Google, could
not buy Palm. Now, to repay HP for buying Palm, msft
drops msft's own "iPad killer" thus eliminating a huge
competitor for HP.

Msft and Apple, hate and fear Android - they want to
patent troll Android out of existance. HP has no
special love for Android, because Android would not
differentiate HP enough from the other Android tablet,
or phone, sellers.

HP is a very close partner with msft, with both PCs
and phones. If either HTC, or google, bought Palm,
they would be able to use Palm's arsenal of patents to
counter-sue msft and/or apple.

Pure speculation on my part, but it is quite a
coincidence that the following all happened at the
same time:

Apple sues HTC
Msft and HTC form a special patent deal
HP buys Palm
Msft discontinues Courier"
credit:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?
sid=1636402&cid=32038972
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HP Should MS
itguy08 30th Apr 2010
They have the $$ and maybe the cajones.

Build an Android phone, Android OS tablet, and promote Linux. When MS claims patent infringement, say F-You and litigate. Take it to court and see just what these "Linux patents" MS holds.
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because you and I don't know means
Rama.NET 30th Apr 2010
those patents that MS claims are not trash. Definitely I would think with
open mind unlike saying they are all trash.
--Ram--
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RE: Microsoft and HP: Love on the rocks?
Loverock Davidson 30th Apr 2010
The title says loverock happy

My take is that ZDNet bloggers are spreading a lot of FUD based on rumors. So far we've had 3 bloggers say its the end of the line for the Slate yet no one at HP has said so. I seriously doubt HP would jeopardize their relationship with Microsoft. HP will most likely come out with a few Windows Phone 7 phones due to it already being here and now. They just acquired Palm so they will need to evaluate its hardware and software and that could take over a year or more to do.
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Mary Jo Foley 30th Apr 2010
Hi. Yes. It's like the old game of telephone. What started as a "might" on some blogs has now turned into "HP is killing the slate." I note that in this post.

I have to say, though, if I were HP PR, I think I'd issue a statement that said the slate is not dead to quell the rumors. So far, we have nothing from HP.

MJ
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And that is why I'm suspicious
Loverock Davidson 30th Apr 2010
So far, we have nothing from HP.

And that is why I'm suspicious about this whole thing. I don't really trust TechCrunch where the first rumor seemed to come from, but your colleagues took it and ran with it. Your articles are about the only ones saying otherwise.
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That could also be a bad thing
Cylon Centurion 30th Apr 2010
They're not saying anything. Period. Which means either they're not true, and HP is continuing on with the Slate, or they are true and which case HP isn't ready to break the news yet.

I do, however find it suspicious that HP would choose to cancel the Slate after all the R&D and marketing they have put into it, and not to mention the money they spent making the whole project come together.
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Rocking Love
mario.albertico 30th Apr 2010
Very true. As I read HP's statement, it seemed odd that they wouldn't want to just kill the "rumor," would they not feel like they owed anything to Microsoft in keeping the Slate alive. Instead, by keeping it as an open-ended scenario, they're free to later come out with whatever they please. And the fact that they want that freedom is what stands out.
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HP, Google and Apple are in this together.

Confusion to Redmond!
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Almost every single HP product that either myself or family members have owned have rolled over and played dead within six months of purchase. The exception is HP's printers, but their desktops and laptops are junk and customer service is a joke. They'll kill what's left of Palm within a year.
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Re:
dvm 1st May 2010
"The exception is HP's printers, but their
desktops and laptops are junk and customer
service is a joke."

Maybe that's your experience, but the business
desktops and PCs are excellent. For example,
the HP Elitebooks pass rugged military
standards (MIL-STD-810F), something neither
Apple of Dell had. I don't think a junk system
would had pass this kind of test.

http://www.hp.com/sbso/solutions/pc_expertise/p
rofessional_innovations/hp-military-grade-
specifications.pdf
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One thing for sure.
xp-client 1st May 2010
One established fact as evidenced by benchmarks from good reputable hardware sites is that desktop Windows doesn't compare well against Mac OS X on notebooks when it comes to battery life, so it has no chance competiting for battery life against the iPhone OS which is even lighter than the full Mac OS X. In that sense, WP7 makes sense on a tablet. Desktop Windows just sucks battery like crazy. On a Macbook or Macbook Pro, Mac OS X offers about 3-4 hours more battery life than natively installed Windows using Boot Camp. Which is shameful for Microsoft.
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It is not shameful for Microsoft,
Rama.NET 1st May 2010
but mostly it goes to cheap assemblers including Dell the Hell.
--Ram--
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while Microsoft was still learning how. As far as business methods are concerned.

Microsoft MAY have surpassed them by now, but it would be a tight race if they have. And then only because MS has scads more loot to throw at it.

No love lost between those two, specific conflict or no.
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I think Microsoft is attempting to make inroads with
Nokia since they have entered the NetBoot market and
have agreed to have mobile office on their Symbian
phones. Microsoft is diversifying and it will be
interesting to see if they will be able to catch up to Apple
and Android.
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I think Dell is in a greater bind through this Palm
acquisition. It is already hard enough for Dell to come in
as an also-run in the Android market against Motorola
and HTC. HP can totally differentiate itself from the
whole Android race and with it's vast resources and
global reach, it can easily undercut all of the Android
hardware manufacturers on price.
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