Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

Summary: Earlier this week, Microsoft's French public relations site acknowledged that Microsoft had decided to delay the first major Windows Phone 7 update. On March 10, the WP7 team confirmed that "NoDo" delay, and elaborated on the reasons.

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Earlier this week, Microsoft's French public relations site acknowledged that Microsoft had decided to delay the first major Windows Phone 7 update. On March 10, the WP7 team confirmed that "NoDo" delay, and elaborated on the reasons.

In a post to the Windows Phone Blog, Eric Hautala, General Manager, Customer Experience Engineering, confirmed what the French PR site said on March 9 -- that NoDo, the first major update to the Windows Phone OS 7 operating system, which will include copy-and-paste and CDMA support -- would commence in the latter half of March.Until this week, Microsoft officials had said NoDo would hit in the first half of this month. Hautala said the problems with the first "minor" WP7 update in February had led Microsoft to push back the NoDo due date. From Hautala's post:

"But I believe it’s important that we learn all we can from the February update. So I’ve decided to take some extra time to ensure the update process meets our standards, your standards, and the standards of our partners. As a result, our plan is to start delivering the copy-and-paste update in the latter half of March."

Hautala also emphasized that the NoDo push-back doesn't mean "Mango," an update slated for later this year, is going to be late. He blogged:

"This short pause should in no way impact the timing of future updates, including the one announced recently at Mobile World Congress featuring multitasking, a Twitter feature, and a new HTML 5-friendly version of Internet Explorer Mobile."

(I also take his wording to mean that the IE 9 Mobile browser isn't going to hit before the rest of Mango, as I've seen some bloggers speculating. Microsoft officials have declined to say, when I've asked, whether the company is planning to deliver any WP7 updates between NoDo and Mango.)

I've heard that Microsoft is still planning to get Mango to its partners in the September/October 2011 timeframe so they can deliver it to customers and preloaded on new WP7 devices in time for holiday 2011. That's what I'm still hearing, for what it's worth.

Kudos for the WP7 team being transparent here. Minus points for the delay in being transparent, which has led to a lot of angst among the loyal Microsoft user and enthusiast base upon which Microsoft depends....

Topics: Mobility, Browser, Enterprise Software, Microsoft, Operating Systems, Software, Windows

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  • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

    Well, for what it is worth, WP7 hasn't been taken off my list yet, and I'm still interested in checking it out. My contract doesn't expire until November, but my current Samsung Impression is wearing thin on me. It's not fun to have to reset the device when it locks up on me after sending a few text messages.
    The one and only, Cylon Centurion
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

      @Cylon Centurion 0005 My Focus with WP7 works very well. That said, they have frustrated me with the firmware problem. Howmany version of the firmware are on this phone? Keep in mind the samsung focus is the top selling WP7 device. How is microsoft expected to deliver any updates if Samsung can't even get their act togther.
      frankwick
      • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

        @frankwick : Don't blame it on Samsung. WP7 core is shaky, being a half breed between Windows Embedded CE 6.0 R3 and Windows Embedded Compact 7.0.

        Am sure the problem's with drivers and BSP (they always fail in WECE). Samsung opted for a mixed filesystem (flash and ROM) and the update got that setup wrong.
        cosuna
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

      My LG Quantum WP7 device has been rock-solid. The darn thing just WORKS; no lockups, no reboots, no nothing.

      That said, I'm frustrated beyond belief by the delays in updating. I've been a huge proponent of WP7, and bought into Microsoft's marketing message about how easy it would be to update the platform and how regularly updates would come out. Nearly half a year later, my phone is still running the exact same OS build it had when I bought it, and WP7 is starting to look about as fragmented as Android.

      And that post by Eric? It said absolutely nothing real and concrete. Just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
      ParrotHead_FL
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

      @Cylon Centurion 0005
      I'd say hang in there. My Focus with WP7 has *never* hung on me in the 3 months I've had it. And the software sync with my Outlook, OneNote, and music has made this thing indispensable.
      batpox
  • This was to be expected...

    When the issue happened with SOME Windows Phones, it was plainly obvious to anyone that has been involved in the tech industry in any way that the March update would be delayed.

    I agree that Microsoft should have come out with a statement much sooner, but I am sure that this is better than just trying to plow ahead with any unanswered questions. Personally, a few weeks more will not really cause me any grief...

    I agree with Mary-Jo on this one... It is a dead heat... Points gained for transparency lost by delay in said transparency. No points awarded... But they are starting to get better. Let's hope this trending change continues in the right direction.
    Atley
  • Sprint HTC Arrive

    So, is this going to delay the public availability of Sprint's first WP7 phone, the HTC Arrive? They were/are promising a March 20th release...
    JohnMorgan3
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affec

      @JFDude
      No. NoDo was done long time ago and the HTC Arrive is rocking NoDo. The problem is with updating existing pre-NoDo phones.
      illegaloperation
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affec

      @JFDude
      No. NoDo was done long time ago and the HTC Arrive is rocking NoDo. The problem is with updating existing pre-NoDo phones.
      illegaloperation
  • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

    I am looking forward and excited with the update this coming end of March. I was able 2 update 2 Windows Phone 7 devices last week without a glitch. The copy and paste feature and faster applications are worth waiting.

    I am more excited with the task switcher to be released later this year. After these baby steps, Windows Phone 7 is into domination specially when Nokia devices will start to show up later 2011 or early 2012.
    iluvmsft
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

      @Brick Tamland

      And you're another cloned troll. Please go away, we already have enough.
      tonymcs@...
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

      @Tonymcs awww jealous of the success of Apple? DEAL WITH IT.
      Brick Tamland
  • Blah blah blah.. ok...

    Basically he didnt say anything... and then when he did.. it was VERY unassuring..<br><br>He said "This short pause should in no way impact the timing of future updates" thats right.. he said it "SHOULD" ....... not IT WILL NOT impact future updates.. nice wording... <br><br>One more point.. IF .. the Mango update is released in Sept... when can owners of existing phones expect the update? According to MS the NoDo update was sent to carriers in December .. so it took 4 months for it to show up.. assuming it shows up at the end of the month. Using that timeline .. that means existing phones wont see Mango till sometime in 2012.. <br><br>So much for removing the carriers from the update process...... same old.. same old.....<br><br>Too bad... I was optimistic that this platform.. would be fluid..
    waycoolkennel
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

      @Brick Tamland ... So did my tolerance of your posts but what can I expect from a man who doesn't know if he loves lamp? Clearly you will classified at some point as having an incredibly below-average IQ. (You picked the name, live with the insults.)
      GoodThings2Life
      • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

        @GoodThings2Life
        Maybe you should get email address of this guy so that you could mail insults directly.
        paul2011
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

      @waycoolkennel
      There is a big difference in the carrier relationship so it is not "same old". The MS agreement for Windows Phone is that Carriers get the update in advance so they can test it and if they have serious concerns about impact on their network, they can delay it but they can't stop it. Worst case is that when the next update, it MUST be released so they can not block longer than 1 update cycle.

      With Android or other OS's (except iPhone, not sure of those deals) the carrier has total decison making power on whether they are interested in releasing it or not. Typically, they have limited desire because it brings no revenue, involves testing and involves some risk.

      Same for the OEMs, MS platform guidelines are set so that all phones can (and must) accept an update but the OEM gets a chance to check that it does not break anything on their phone. Obviously a couple of firmware versions that Samsung had inbetween the initial release and current version have a bad interaction with some application and the update. They didn't catch it in their testing. Bad, but it happens. The impact seems to be actually very small but it is worth holding further updates until it is completely understood.
      PhoneBiz
  • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

    As a Dell employee who had his beloved Bb Torch taken from him and replaced w/ a Venue Pro running WP7, MS really missed the boat for business users, and I can't stand it. The Venue Pro is a nice device completely ruined by WP7. I'm w/ Brick and can't wait for WP7 to completely fail.
    jmayes
    • &quot;can't wait for it to fail&quot;

      Yep, wouldn't want other people to enjoy their phone with updates. Also, a Dell device is generally ruined by the person who made the device.
      Michael Alan Goff
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

      "beloved Bb Torch", LOL. He said, "beloved Bb Torch", LOL!
      Vabraxys
    • RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

      @jmayes <br><br>Now that's funny... a self proclaimed Dell employee talking about failures. The school district my son works for bought a ton of Dells... parts dying constantly on those "Fail" machines. On the other hand, I guess you would know more about companies failing at tech than most...
      Badgered