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Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected

By | March 10, 2011, 6:09pm PST

Summary: Earlier this week, Microsoft’s French public relations site acknowledged that Microsoft had decided to delay the first major Windows Phone 7 update. On March 10, the WP7 team confirmed that “NoDo” delay, and elaborated on the reasons.

Earlier this week, Microsoft’s French public relations site acknowledged that Microsoft had decided to delay the first major Windows Phone 7 update. On March 10, the WP7 team confirmed that “NoDo” delay, and elaborated on the reasons.

In a post to the Windows Phone Blog, Eric Hautala, General Manager, Customer Experience Engineering, confirmed what the French PR site said on March 9 — that NoDo, the first major update to the Windows Phone OS 7 operating system, which will include copy-and-paste and CDMA support — would commence in the latter half of March.Until this week, Microsoft officials had said NoDo would hit in the first half of this month. Hautala said the problems with the first “minor” WP7 update in February had led Microsoft to push back the NoDo due date. From Hautala’s post:

“But I believe it’s important that we learn all we can from the February update. So I’ve decided to take some extra time to ensure the update process meets our standards, your standards, and the standards of our partners. As a result, our plan is to start delivering the copy-and-paste update in the latter half of March.”

Hautala also emphasized that the NoDo push-back doesn’t mean “Mango,” an update slated for later this year, is going to be late. He blogged:

“This short pause should in no way impact the timing of future updates, including the one announced recently at Mobile World Congress featuring multitasking, a Twitter feature, and a new HTML 5-friendly version of Internet Explorer Mobile.”

(I also take his wording to mean that the IE 9 Mobile browser isn’t going to hit before the rest of Mango, as I’ve seen some bloggers speculating. Microsoft officials have declined to say, when I’ve asked, whether the company is planning to deliver any WP7 updates between NoDo and Mango.)

I’ve heard that Microsoft is still planning to get Mango to its partners in the September/October 2011 timeframe so they can deliver it to customers and preloaded on new WP7 devices in time for holiday 2011. That’s what I’m still hearing, for what it’s worth.

Kudos for the WP7 team being transparent here. Minus points for the delay in being transparent, which has led to a lot of angst among the loyal Microsoft user and enthusiast base upon which Microsoft depends….

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RE: Microsoft confirms Windows Phone 7 'NoDo' delay; says 'Mango' not affected
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 9th Oct
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Well, for what it is worth, WP7 hasn't been taken off my list yet, and I'm still interested in checking it out. My contract doesn't expire until November, but my current Samsung Impression is wearing thin on me. It's not fun to have to reset the device when it locks up on me after sending a few text messages.
@Cylon Centurion 0005 My Focus with WP7 works very well. That said, they have frustrated me with the firmware problem. Howmany version of the firmware are on this phone? Keep in mind the samsung focus is the top selling WP7 device. How is microsoft expected to deliver any updates if Samsung can't even get their act togther.
@frankwick : Don't blame it on Samsung. WP7 core is shaky, being a half breed between Windows Embedded CE 6.0 R3 and Windows Embedded Compact 7.0.

Am sure the problem's with drivers and BSP (they always fail in WECE). Samsung opted for a mixed filesystem (flash and ROM) and the update got that setup wrong.
My LG Quantum WP7 device has been rock-solid. The darn thing just WORKS; no lockups, no reboots, no nothing.

That said, I'm frustrated beyond belief by the delays in updating. I've been a huge proponent of WP7, and bought into Microsoft's marketing message about how easy it would be to update the platform and how regularly updates would come out. Nearly half a year later, my phone is still running the exact same OS build it had when I bought it, and WP7 is starting to look about as fragmented as Android.

And that post by Eric? It said absolutely nothing real and concrete. Just a bunch of smoke and mirrors.
@Cylon Centurion 0005
I'd say hang in there. My Focus with WP7 has *never* hung on me in the 3 months I've had it. And the software sync with my Outlook, OneNote, and music has made this thing indispensable.
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This was to be expected...
Atley 10th Mar 2011
When the issue happened with SOME Windows Phones, it was plainly obvious to anyone that has been involved in the tech industry in any way that the March update would be delayed.

I agree that Microsoft should have come out with a statement much sooner, but I am sure that this is better than just trying to plow ahead with any unanswered questions. Personally, a few weeks more will not really cause me any grief...

I agree with Mary-Jo on this one... It is a dead heat... Points gained for transparency lost by delay in said transparency. No points awarded... But they are starting to get better. Let's hope this trending change continues in the right direction.
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Sprint HTC Arrive
YukioCowboy 10th Mar 2011
So, is this going to delay the public availability of Sprint's first WP7 phone, the HTC Arrive? They were/are promising a March 20th release...
@JFDude
No. NoDo was done long time ago and the HTC Arrive is rocking NoDo. The problem is with updating existing pre-NoDo phones.
@JFDude
No. NoDo was done long time ago and the HTC Arrive is rocking NoDo. The problem is with updating existing pre-NoDo phones.
I am looking forward and excited with the update this coming end of March. I was able 2 update 2 Windows Phone 7 devices last week without a glitch. The copy and paste feature and faster applications are worth waiting.

I am more excited with the task switcher to be released later this year. After these baby steps, Windows Phone 7 is into domination specially when Nokia devices will start to show up later 2011 or early 2012.
@Brick Tamland

And you're another cloned troll. Please go away, we already have enough.
@Tonymcs awww jealous of the success of Apple? DEAL WITH IT.
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Blah blah blah.. ok...
waycoolkennel Updated - 10th Mar 2011
Basically he didnt say anything... and then when he did.. it was VERY unassuring..

He said "This short pause should in no way impact the timing of future updates" thats right.. he said it "SHOULD" ....... not IT WILL NOT impact future updates.. nice wording...

One more point.. IF .. the Mango update is released in Sept... when can owners of existing phones expect the update? According to MS the NoDo update was sent to carriers in December .. so it took 4 months for it to show up.. assuming it shows up at the end of the month. Using that timeline .. that means existing phones wont see Mango till sometime in 2012..

So much for removing the carriers from the update process...... same old.. same old.....

Too bad... I was optimistic that this platform.. would be fluid..
@Brick Tamland ... So did my tolerance of your posts but what can I expect from a man who doesn't know if he loves lamp? Clearly you will classified at some point as having an incredibly below-average IQ. (You picked the name, live with the insults.)
@GoodThings2Life
Maybe you should get email address of this guy so that you could mail insults directly.
@waycoolkennel
There is a big difference in the carrier relationship so it is not "same old". The MS agreement for Windows Phone is that Carriers get the update in advance so they can test it and if they have serious concerns about impact on their network, they can delay it but they can't stop it. Worst case is that when the next update, it MUST be released so they can not block longer than 1 update cycle.

With Android or other OS's (except iPhone, not sure of those deals) the carrier has total decison making power on whether they are interested in releasing it or not. Typically, they have limited desire because it brings no revenue, involves testing and involves some risk.

Same for the OEMs, MS platform guidelines are set so that all phones can (and must) accept an update but the OEM gets a chance to check that it does not break anything on their phone. Obviously a couple of firmware versions that Samsung had inbetween the initial release and current version have a bad interaction with some application and the update. They didn't catch it in their testing. Bad, but it happens. The impact seems to be actually very small but it is worth holding further updates until it is completely understood.
As a Dell employee who had his beloved Bb Torch taken from him and replaced w/ a Venue Pro running WP7, MS really missed the boat for business users, and I can't stand it. The Venue Pro is a nice device completely ruined by WP7. I'm w/ Brick and can't wait for WP7 to completely fail.
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"can't wait for it to fail"
Michael Alan Goff 10th Mar 2011
Yep, wouldn't want other people to enjoy their phone with updates. Also, a Dell device is generally ruined by the person who made the device.
"beloved Bb Torch", LOL. He said, "beloved Bb Torch", LOL!
@jmayes

Now that's funny... a self proclaimed Dell employee talking about failures. The school district my son works for bought a ton of Dells... parts dying constantly on those "Fail" machines. On the other hand, I guess you would know more about companies failing at tech than most...
@jmayes How nice of you to decide what phone OS I am allowed to use. Must be nice to be so powerful. I really hate it when people decide that, because they hate something, that no one else is allowed to like it either. Arrogant. Simply arrogant.
I've had a Samsung Focus since November and love this phone. Those of you who always chime in and say "It's been dead from the start" and "It can't compete" haven't actually even picked up a device. Microsoft HAS to be overly cautious on these updates. They have absolutely no room for error. Look what happens when something goes wrong, they get lambasted. Delaying an updated causes far less damage then a broken update would.
Spot on, Steel. I have the Focus and it totally rocks. given the problems experienced by both iOS and Android with updates(http://www.google.com/search?q=ios+update+problem&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7,http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/android-21-update-causes-major-2d-slowdown-on-droid/1895, for example) this is trivial. Get over it MS haters. You lose.
@garysvb@... And which issues with iOS updates are you referring to? IMHE there has been no issues with ANY OS updates... I've had an iPhone 3G for over 2 years and now have an iPhone 4 that I bought in November and thus far neither one of them has had any upgrade issues (other than killing the jailbreak which was expected as it is a new OS install rather than just a patch). Provide links to that or retract that part of your post.
@steelcuda ... Completely agree!

I've only played with the Focus briefly but enjoyed the experience and have been waiting for one to arrive on Sprint for months. My only disappointment in the Arrive is the small screen. I'd rather have the HD7, but I'm not switching to T-Mobile to get it.
@steelcuda 2 Focus in the family amd LOVE them. Best phone I've ever had. Also have an LG which isn't bad if you need a keyboard.
NoDo has been complete for 2-3 months. It is collecting dust waiting for delivery. Since it is complete this obviously won't impact Mango's development.
When did people become so intolerant of growing pains?

It's not like Apple was great out of the gate with their original iPhone (remember all the Blackberry diehards who said the iPhone was going to fail?) and who doesn't remember all the scoffing by both Blackberry and Apple users when the first iterations of Android hit the market?

I'm very happy with WP7 on the LG Quantum, and I swore I'd NEVER own a mobile version of Windows. Sure, I'd love the update, but I'd rather see the update come out with minimal problems across the board than have a repeat of the Samsung issue with the last update.
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Quote: "Even with the changes, Hautala said that this does not change the launch time frame of the much larger update, due sometime in the next three months."

Is this update due in three months the multitasking update/IE9 update? Are they the same update?
@Dexterously
"Next three months" ? Based on MS history with updates it may be more like 9 months. I do not mind being wrong though and would be happy to see update sooner.
@paul2011 be quiet troll and wait. if you cant wait than eat some sour apples LOL
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@ipadsucks Dude that is the pot trying to call something other than the kettle black... face facts you trolling M$ Shill - MS has delayed updates and has had buggy updates. Take off the blinder and stop drinking the fanboy kool aid.
I can wait has it worth waiting and for me using windows phone 7 is awesome i love using Live Xbox and also it so darn fast switching to things on this phone. Again I can wait no bigee. I been getting allot people saying WOW to my windows phone 7 User Interface. So Cool!
I intended to buy my Windows phone 7 later this year anyhow at least I will now get a model with all the bells and whistles it should have had when they first went on sale. Microsoft's image as a mobile smartphone player I think got hurt because their first little update went bad for some models of the Windows phone 7. I still want microsoft to cointinue to make smartphones because there are a lot of People like me who are not Android or Iphone fans I hope Nokia has a good one out for sale by Christmas 2011
Well if they're coming out with CDMA, then hopefully they will be available for US Cellular also.
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