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Microsoft exec confirms Redmond's involvement in antitrust inquiries about Google and search

By | February 28, 2010, 9:55am PST

Unsurprisingly, Microsoft and Google have taken their growing tit-for-tat rivalry to the courts. Yet again.

In the latest round, Microsoft execs are confirming they’ve been talking to antitrust regulators in recent months about Google’s dominant position in search and advertising and don’t dispute claims that Microsoft also may have helped encourage other search companies to come forward and register complaints with the European Union (EU).

Google execs pointed fingers at Microsoft earlier last week when three companies (two of which have explicit Microsoft ties) said they had been talking to EU officials about alleged Google behaviors that disadvantage the search leader’s competitors. In a blog post on February 26, Microsoft Vice President and Deputy General Counsel David Heiner basically confirmed Microsoft’s not-so-behind-the-scenes involvement, reminding readers that Google and its execs have used the antitrust courts the same way. From that post:

Complaints in competition law cases usually come from competitors. (Believe me, I know: I’ve been chief competition counsel at Microsoft since 1994, so I’ve seen plenty of competitor complaints. Novell, when current Google CEO Eric Schmidt was at the helm, was never hesitant about complaining to regulators about Microsoft.Google hasn’t been shy about raising antitrust concerns about Microsoft in the last few years, either.) This is the way that competition law agencies function: They look to competitors in the first instance to understand how particular markets operate, the practices of dominant firms and the competitive significance of those practices.”

Microsoft officials have spoken with EU, U.S. Department of Justice and Federal Trade Commission officials about Google’s competitive practices during those bodies’ examination of the Microsoft-Yahoo search partnership — which got the regulatory nod from the European Commission and the DOJ earlier this month, Heiner confirmed in his post.

As Microsoft officials know well, it’s not illegal to have a monopoly on a market; it’s illegal to abuse that monopoly power. Heiner noted that distinction in the conclusion to his post:

“Microsoft would obviously be among the first to say that leading firms should not be punished for their success. Nor should firms be punished just because a particular business practice may harm a rival—competition on the merits can do that, too. That is a position that Microsoft has long espoused, and we’re sticking to it. Our concerns relate only to Google practices that tend to lock in business partners and content (like Google Books) and exclude competitors, thereby undermining competition more broadly.”

If the current investigation over Google’s supposed practices turns into an complaint/lawsuit, expect a long, protracted and expensive battle. And expect more Google retaliation against Microsoft on another front as payback ….

Update: Worth a read: A good backgrounder on Microsoft vs. Google in the February 28 issue of the Wall Street Journal. A couple of folks who were prominent a decade ago (Rick Rule and Gary Reback) are back as part of the latest antitrust slug fests.

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RE: Microsoft exec confirms Redmond's involvement in antitrust inquiries about Google and search
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
Great to be planning to your site nfl jerseys 2012 yet again, it has been months for me.
investigate. This is critical for Google as they
need to show to users that trust them they are
NOT playing with search results.
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There are still users who trust them?
John Zern 28th Feb 2010
even after the long list of issues, culminating with the HUGE breach of privacy with Buzz?
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Privacy and search results are different issues
T1Oracle Updated - 1st Mar 2010
Regardless, there is no evidence that Google has sold or traded anyone's data so the privacy issue outside the risk of data accessibility, is moot.

As for the search results, there is no evidence that Google has skewed them for profit.

Some people make judgments based on facts, and others use anecdotes to confirm their delusions.
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You know that Google is not playing with search results? Where do you get all of your information DB? You never fail to sound like you are part of every inner circle at every company and organization in the world.

Besides, Google has already played with search results in China, which they obviously don't deny. That is what is called precedent DB.
It means for the right $$$, they are willing to do anything.
And don't give me that MSFT and YHOO do it too, song and dance.
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Being right has little significance
Ole Man 28th Feb 2010
when wrong on so many other fronts.

hypocrisy reigns supreme as a mockery of ethics.
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Sorry, the law doesn't agree with you.
No_Ax_to_Grind 1st Mar 2010
But then, even you knew that much.
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from the book "No One Would Listen" by Harry Markopolos.

"it was well known that Madoff operated his legitimate broker-dealer business on the 18th and 19th floors of the Lipstick Building on New York?s East Side. But what was not generally known was that his money management company, the fraud, was located on the 17th floor of that building. Months after Madoff?s collapse, the FBI would reveal to my team that based on our 2005 submission providing evidence that Madoff was running a Ponzi scheme, the SEC finally launched an investigation ? but that its crack investigative team during the two-year-long investigation ?never even figured out there was a 17th floor.? I had provided all the evidence they needed to close down Madoff ? and they couldn?t find an entire floor. Instead they issued three technical deficiency notices of minor violations to Madoff?s broker-dealer arm. Now, that really is setting a pretty low bar for other government agencies to beat. But sadly, all of this nation?s financial regulators ? the Federal Reserve Bank, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and the Office of Thrift Supervision ? are at best incompetent and at worst captive to the companies they are supposed to regulate."

And that, my friends, is a perfect example of "the law" as we know it today.
We know you are wrong on so many other fronts, that is why you resort to the "inquirer" for your "evidence" much of the time.

Wow, and you have the nerve to mention ethics and hypocrisy. Wow, just wow.

If I had a nickel for every hypocritical thing you've said, then later had to sing a different song cause you were wrong on top of being hypocritical, I'd be able to hire Bill Gates to drive my car.
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If I were wrong ten billion times it wouldn't make you right once.

And the inquirer is now eligible for the Pulitzer prize. Your criricism of them puts you as far behind the curve as your Microsoft fanaticism does.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9500E0D61031F93AA25751C0A9669D8B63&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Enquirer Is Eligible For Pulitzer
I still enjoy using Google Services because they are still great. I would like to see Yahoo, Microsoft, Apple, etc truly complete and make something that works and not just another licensed product. Microsoft Windows has failed and they are crying like a baby.
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Thats why Bing is gaining market share?
No_Ax_to_Grind 1st Mar 2010
Try again.
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Reason?
Adam S 1st Mar 2010
You're implying that Bing is doing something
better than Google and that is why they are
gaining market share. Can you answer your own
question: Is that why?
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Bing is better, its that simple.
No_Ax_to_Grind 1st Mar 2010
Now go ahead and rant that its not or whatever you like but it doesn't change anything.
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No rant necessary
Adam S 1st Mar 2010
The onus is on you to prove that Bing is better,
not on me that it is not. I never gave my opinion
either way.
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People like it because its better, simple as that.
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You're not wrong...
Adam S 1st Mar 2010
...but you aren't right either. Correlation does
not imply causation. Sometimes it isn't as simple
as blindly clinging to the first hypothesis you
conjure up. Your claim is unsubstantiated. I
asked you for some proof and you waive any burden.
Therefore, I won't accept your claim as being
valid.
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Bing Blows
Rude Union 1st Mar 2010
It works the same as the previous MS search, which takes longer for me to find what I'm looking for.
The only reason they're market share is increasing is related to new Window 7 installs. Many users don't know how to change the default, don't know the difference or don't care.
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Bing is built into IE8
Wintel_BSOD 2nd Mar 2010
You can change your primary search engine to something else, but you can't delete Bing from the browser. The delete option (on right mouse click) is conveniently grayed out.

By using those standards, the No_Ax moron up above will justify it as 'popularity'
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Why does increased marketshare not indicate it's better? You gave a theory that is *sometimes* the case, but what we want is solid proof.

thanks in advance for your answer.
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Personally...
Rick_K 1st Mar 2010
I tried bing, but did not find it to be better than google. What I have
noticed is; there are a lot of websites that have ?bing searches embedded
in them?. It could be that Microsoft is paying these websites to use bing,
and once bing gains enough market share, turn around and charge these
websites for the privilege to use bing. I have seen this before, as it is a
standard Microsoft tactic.
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perhaps millions of sites with Google search embedded.
So this is not Microsoft standard practice. And please feel free to state where you've seen Microsoft do this before with a tool that in and of itself is free? I can't think of one.
They are using Google's model and trying to build ad revenue via Bing.


I love how those who have no love for MS find all of these reasons why Bing's share might have gone up, as if they are all unethical or somehow tainted, when Google has done nothing but make deals. Deals like they had with mozilla to get Google toolbar and desktop loaded on PCs, deals with every website they could bulldog into it to have their search sponsored by Google, provided by Google and all web searches by Google.

Now Google has the supreme "Deals" to gain share for Google, it's only phone OS and all the deals they've made with phone makers and carriers? Whose search do you think will be on those phones. And even beyond that, they are building a Google ad frontend, also called their WebOS. I can't see any difference from the demos I've watched, from putting categorized web links in multiple folders to emulate "areas" on your desktop, and still have the power of a full OS. Seriously, it's all just icons that go to web locations. That's it in a nutshell and it's nothing more than a frontend to their Ad machine.
MS has to offer search provider choice on their OS. I wonder if Google will? LOL.

Yes, Microsoft has made some deals and used marketing.....SHUTTER AT THE THOUGHT....to gain market for Bing.

Google has done this and more, 1000 fold, ho hum, yawn, hey they are Google, and Google is cool and can do that, no questions asked.



Sorry but this is getting to the point of hysterical.


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Not to insult you...
Rick_K 1st Mar 2010
And please feel free to state where you've seen Microsoft do this before
with a tool that in and of itself is free? I can't think of one.


Maybe you do not remember that far back, but the whole AOL sham
comes to mind. I know this is over 10 years ago, but in t nutshell.
Microsoft offered to pay AOL $0.25 per user to use IE as the AOL
browser. Once Netscape was damaged, Microsoft unilaterally changed
the contract to AOL paying Microsoft $0.75 per desktop to allow an AOL
icon on the desktop. I remember that from the Anti-trust trial. Like I said
you might not remember that (I do not know your age), but that is the
practice I was referencing.
It sounds a little too simplistic to me.

Anyway, nobody is going to pay to use Bing. MS doesn't have the leverage in this market. Not even close.

What say ye about Google "making deals" to get their search share up, and get their ad business ka-chinging at full throttle?
Why is it that MS making "deals" is supposed to sound "shady"?
Google has already proven sufficiently they are willing to do anything for the green, they have no squeeky clean record to fall back on here.
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I think you are confusing me...
Rick_K 1st Mar 2010
With someone that is a fan of google. I am not. I am become less of a fan
of all the vendors. From what I have seen the recent ?upgrades? and
?updates? are getting pretty shoddy. Personally i think it?s wrong for
Apple, Microsoft, Google, Yahoo. etc. equally. It is a fact of life that it
happens, but I do not have to agree with it. While you are looking that up,
also look up the deal with Microsoft threatening to pull HP?s vendor
license, if HP preinstalled QuickTime. This happened nearly 20 years ago.
You have to understand that at one time I could read punchcards, so I
have seen a lot.
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You're Welcome
Adam S 2nd Mar 2010
People do not always use the better product. There are
several different factors. A better business model,
law, economy, opportunity, and marketing all come to
mind. Just because one business is run better and is
more successful does not mean their product is better
than another. Besides, we're all individuals. To
simply say something is "better" is opinion, not fact on
its own merits. As the song goes, what might be right
for you may not be right for some. If people did always
use the "better" product, our tech landscape would look
very different today.

I know you want me to go off on a rant about how A is
better than B because of XYZ. You're not going to get
it. I'm not going to guess why Bing is gaining market
share, but I'm not going to accept one person flatly
stating their opinion as fact as the reason.
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because it sucks.
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Bing sucks
DonRupertBitByte 1st Mar 2010
Stupid name, unimpressive search results but that's Microsoft trying to be a jack of all trades and master of none.
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Why does Bing Suck?
voska1 1st Mar 2010
What's your experience? For me Google gets me what I need in the first page or two. That's worth it to me. Bing doesn't. The same pages can be found but I have to do a lot more digging and that wastes my time. So Bing is not good in my opinion.
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It doesn?t suck
Rick_K 1st Mar 2010
It just does not shake things up enough for me to change. Your milage
may vary.
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How long will that last
voska1 1st Mar 2010
BING doesn't work. I've tried it as it's the default in IE unless you change it. I always changing it because I just can't find what I'm looking for with Bing. It looks nice and all be the search results are less than stellar. Google I find what I want in the first page or two. Bing it's usually on page 9, 15 or worse I don't find it at all because I gave up clicking next. Heck I even have problems find Microsoft stuff with Bing. Was looking up Great Plains Dynamics and found relevant stuff on Google but diddly on Bing.
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Windows hasn't failed.
Cylon Centurion 1st Mar 2010
NT
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Why not, Nicholas?
Wintel_BSOD 2nd Mar 2010
If Bing is so great, Google I'd be down the tubes by now.
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Google IS becoming the next Microsoft
MacCanuck 1st Mar 2010
Starting as a search engine and now branching into (almost) every aspect of the computing experience, but...

For Microsoft to complain about anyone else being anti-competitive and locking in users has to be the most ironic and specious position taken in the history of mankind.

MS's David Heiner statement...

"Microsoft would obviously be among the first to say that leading firms should not be punished for their success. Nor should firms be punished just because a particular business practice may harm a rival?competition on the merits can do that, too. That is a position that Microsoft has long espoused, and we?re sticking to it. Our concerns relate only to Google practices that tend to lock in business partners and content (like Google Books) and exclude competitors, thereby undermining competition more broadly.?

tries to absolve and defend MS's past anti-competitive and unethical practices while at the same time contemning Google for the same... "Our concerns relate only to Google practices that tend to lock in business partners and content (like Google Books) and exclude competitors, thereby undermining competition more broadly"

Lock in partners and exclude competitors... don't know how he was able to keep a straight face as that's been the Microsoft MO all along. Google certainly shouldn't be allowed to be anti-competitive but Microsoft should be the last ones to complain and bi_ch about it.

"Do as I say, not as I do" comes to mind as obviously the position taken (and business practices followed) differs when it's your ox being gored.
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Why? So you think that companies like
GuidingLight Updated - 1st Mar 2010
Google should petition the DOJ and ask them to extend the anti-trust settlement against Microsoft?

That they should back companies like Mozilla (who they share a finacial arangement with) to press for browser inclusion?

They have run to the DoJ a few times in reference to Microsoft for no other reason then their own finacial gain?

Why should Microsoft not do the same, especially if it is justified?
the need to comment??
Apple had every chance to build a lower cost machine in the 80s and 90s to compete with MS, as they are trying to *now* but did not. Apple, SUN and IBM all failed to duplicate what MS had done and jealousy became irritation which became hostility which became complaints to the DoJ. What did Apple have to complain about? What did MS do to stop the big bad Apple machine? They've saved Apple's hide on many occasions. Apple is the company that has licensed products from Microsoft on multiple occasions, not the other way around.
MSO for Mac saved Apple in the mid 90s, according to many esteemed sources. It's not hard to see if they'd lost their enterprise customers at their nadar, they were sunk.

Windows has always been an open platform giving equal opportunity to all that care to write for it. Indeed, the iPod would have never been a sensation is MS could inspect and decided what apps can run on it's OS. If they had said NO to itunes for Windows, the ipod would have died in it's tracks. You disagree?
Google would not even exist if not for Microsoft. 99.9% of Google's business starts on a Windows machine. Think about that for a moment. Google has no such openness in *any* way. What do you think MS was talking about?

Now Apple controls all of it's devices and their content and what their users can and cannot run on them or listen to on them or what software they can use on them. You call that open and not locked in? You'd be the first then. Do you disagree?

Apple is a much more predatory company than MS has ever been, hence the many articles to that effect popping up all over the internet.
Here is a perfect example of how Steve Jobs "uses" others to his own gain, while then locking them out of competition. This is concerning the open darwin project:

On July 25, 2006, the OpenDarwin team announced that the project was shutting down, as they felt OpenDarwin had "become a mere hosting facility for Mac OS X related projects," and that the efforts to create a standalone Darwin operating system had failed. They also state: "Availability of sources, interaction with Apple representatives, difficulty building and tracking sources, and a lack of interest from the community have all contributed to this."[19] The last stable release was version 7.2.1, released on July 16, 2004.[20]

Jobs is the master of keeping others off of his hardware, software and from competing with any of Apples properties. They act ast though they support open source, but only to grow projects they want for OS X while never allowing a community to get to a point of an alternative to OS X that could be loaded on low cost machines.

Meanwhile, think about this again, Microsoft has an open system that has created a massive global ecosystem of jobs and businesses that exist only because Windows is available for anyone to program to and create commercial software.

That is only the half of it. I think you are more full of hypocrisy than Microsoft itself ever came Close to.

did you know that Google has complained to the DOJ about MS and anti competitive behavior in the last years multiple times? I believe those complaints were thrown out by her judgeship.
Why were you not up in arms about that because of it's hypocrisy. Again, Google would not exist w/o Windows, and they file complaints? That is the *Ultimate* hypocrisy.

It's funny, on one hand you like to claim that MS has less marketshare than they claim but when needed, the 'ol monopoly card is played immediately. Google and Apple are both far more anti competitive companies. That is obvious and factual.

Please stick to your hero Steve's blogs and forget about zdnet if you can't be unbiased from time to time.
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Pot, kettle, black...
Rick_K Updated - 1st Mar 2010
Windows has always been an open platform giving equal opportunity
to all that care to write for it.


That is until Microsoft "partners" with companies to steal their IP. Are
you including those "special hidden APIs" that allow Microsoft an
unfair advantage?

did you know that Google has complained to the DOJ about MS and
anti competitive behavior in the last years multiple times?


So Microsoft is still up to their old tricks? Is this anything new? I just
have to ask this, are you Ed Bott? Or are you just a blind member of
the NBM club? Microsoft has a 30 year history of Anti-competative
actions, and you are claiming that others do not have the right to be
upset? Microsoft is known for using "partners? (SCO, Nokia, etc.) to
initiate lawsuits against other companies, rather than compete.
Microsoft has also threatened its customers (OEMs) on many
occasions? But I am sure you?re okay with that. How about all those
poor Microsoft partners, that paid high license fees for "Plays for
sure", only to be dumped in the "recycle bin?? Due to a poor
implementation, of "plays for sure" by Microsoft. Microsoft got to
where it is by unethical means, and yet you cheer for them at every
turn. Heaven forbid another company does something half as bad, you
crucify them in an instant.
That is until Microsoft "partners" with companies to steal their IP. Are
you including those "special hidden APIs" that allow Microsoft an
unfair advantage?

I don't know of any special, hidden, unfair APIs. Can you post a link of the non biased news story that confirmed this?

And are you certain the Apple programming environment is totally exposed to 3rd party programmers with no restriction? (hypocrisy ex. 1)
Now apple doesn't allow you to write for their platform, and the best iphone apps all require jailbreaking the iphone to install and use.

But yeah, provide that link. And while you are at it, tell us why the Google search engine, using Linux code is not an open source project considering it's a commercial product. Unless paying for keywords is not considered a business transaction. Talk about super secret code. (hypocrisy example 2)

So Microsoft is still up to their old tricks? Is this anything new? I just
have to ask this, are you Ed Bott? Or are you just a blind member of
the NBM club? Microsoft has a 30 year history of Anti-competative
actions, and you are claiming that others do not have the right to be
upset? Microsoft is known for using "partners? (SCO, Nokia, etc.) to
initiate lawsuits against other companies, rather than compete.
Microsoft has also threatened its customers (OEMs) on many
occasions? But I am sure you?re okay with that. How about all those
poor Microsoft partners, that paid high license fees for "Plays for
sure", only to be dumped in the "recycle bin?? Due to a poor
implementation, of "plays for sure" by Microsoft. Microsoft got to
where it is by unethical means, and yet you cheer for them at every
turn. Heaven forbid another company does something half as bad, you
crucify them in an instant.

Again, provide the unbiased news stories proving MS had anything to do with the SO or Nokia lawsuits.

Poor partners? If they got a bad deal at any time, they've always had the option to stop selling MS. I guess none of them had the guts to go it with Linux, even in 2010. I'm trying to think of all the other software partners there were in the past. Not Apple, not IBM, not SUN, not SCO...who then? You love to talk about a monopoly but who even competed for the lower cost PC space? Apple didn't Sun didn't (but saw it and tried to get a fork into it with middleware and MS responded to that totally legally and as any company would have.

You put all other companies on pedestals simply because they didn't have the insight and missed the opportunity of a lifetime. You must admit, it was a time of huge growth that we'll probably not see again.
So if they are smaller, yet use others like a Steve Jobs who has used open source and played them like a violin for years, it's not as bad because they are smaller? That's discrimination.
Open Darwin disbanded in 2006 because they realized Jobs as playing them as an OS X project improvment grounds but never allowing them enough info and blowing them off as needed so open darwin could never be anything close to OS X.
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Google must sue M$
Linux Geek 1st Mar 2010
for defamation and instigating government agencies against it.
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What do you know about anything?
Chad_z 1st Mar 2010
Hey, don't you have to disclose if you're being paid to post in forums now?

You posted in almost every single comment thread. You're either getting paid or you have way too much time on your hands.
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I was wondering...
Ceridan 1st Mar 2010
How you would defend your god... but yet aggain your just doing what you allways do.... try to devert the argument on MS....


PS: Google is Evil, Apple is Evil, MS is evil... oh and Linux is errm an OS.
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If Microsoft truly own the patents that make up Linux then time to show proof.

How can Microsoft strong arm Amazon and other big companies without showing proof?

Google is to blame cause Microsoft doesn't get search? Maybe they got it now with Bing but still it is not like Google is blocking them from having a search engine.

On the other hand Microsoft wants to block and kill Linux by being a patent troll.
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I agree, everyone needs a great laugh.
No_Ax_to_Grind 1st Mar 2010
And Linux trying to sue MS would be hilarious.
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so you tell us how Microsoft did not show Amazon any proof, instead strong arming Amazon and other big companies?

Or maybe they did, and you missed that part of the presentation when they brought it up at the meeting you were at with them.
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Great question, because ...
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 1st Mar 2010
... every Linux company that MS has shown its claims to has capitulated and licensed MS' technologies.
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Can you prove that?
Rick_K 1st Mar 2010
I seriously want to know. Is it possible that Microsoft threatened these
companies with a ?withdrawal of site licenses? if the companies did not
enter into this agreement? No one outside of the people in the meetings
can actually say. In another posting, someone recalled a meeting with
IBM, where after all the infringements were shot down, the IBM lawyers
said they would go back and ?find? something that would stick. WHat is
to say this is not the case here? I personally cannot say either way. But
since these companies are put under a gag order, by Microsoft, it does
sound a bit suspicious.
With the open source mafia for legal matters and what people like you have said in the past, you are going to say that any company, like Amazon or Novell is so spineless they'd let MS bully them? And on top of bullying them by saying they'd "find something that sticks", they also bullied them into agreeing to a gag order?
And you think MS is stupid enough on top of all that, to have made those threats and forced those vendors to sign on the line, knowing it would come out after the agreement is up?

LOL! you are grasping now at anything and everything.
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Easy enough to prove.
Rick_K 1st Mar 2010
And on top of bullying them by saying they'd "find something that
sticks", they also bullied them into agreeing to a gag order?


Where is the press release from Amazon? We have only heard from one
side. If there is no NDA (gag order put in kinder terms), why has Amazon
not made a press release? Or did they, and I just missed it? I could be
wrong at any given time. If I am then I will step up, and admit it. It is no
big deal, for me to admit to being wrong. I will try and find the post I
was referring to, but apparently it was SOP for IBM back in the day. What
is to say, that Microsoft has not copied that SOP?
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Red Hat gave Microsoft the middle finger the first time they tried such bool sheet. Novell was the first major Distro to sell out to Microsoft.

Embrace, extend, extinguish. Microsoft has proven that is what they are best at repeatedly, and user ignorance is their best weapon as well as the reason for their success.
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