Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months
Summary: Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista -- the latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
Microsoft is sending some very confusing signals about Windows Vista -- the latest of which it issued via a statement on October 3.
The Register reported on October 2 that Microsoft was going to extend again the date until which PC makers would be allowed to continue to offer Windows users "downgrade rights," enabling them to switch from Vista to XP on new machines. The Reg said Microsoft had moved the downgrade cut-off date from January 31, 2009 to July 31, 2009.
I asked Microsoft about the Reg's report and got this statement, via a company spokesperson:
"As more customers make the move to Windows Vista, we want to make sure that they are making that transition with confidence and that it is as smooth as possible. Providing downgrade media for a few more months is part of that commitment, as is the Windows Vista Small Business Assurance program (available in the U.S. only), which provides 1-on-1, customized support for our small business customers."
In other words, the Reg's story was correct.
The spokesperson sent further clarification:
"What’s changing is Microsoft is giving six more months where it will provide downgrade media for XP Professional for OEMs and system builders to provide to their customers who purchase Windows Vista Ultimate and Business editions – (which the company figures will be) largely going to be small businesses since that’s the audience that would want/use XP Pro. So it’s the same old downgrade right thing that was in the EULA (End User License Agreement) before; it's just Microsoft is providing the media to partners a few months more."
"The same caveat with providing the downgrade media as before applies, which is OEMs and system builders don’t have to do so if they don’t want – it’s their business decision to make."
Microsoft has extended XP's end-of-life date before. In Apri 2008 l, Microsoft officials said the company was not going to extend again the date on which it required OEMs to stop preloading XP on new machines. That date was June 30, 2008. Microsoft did say that system builders, a k a white box vendors, would be allowed to continue to preload XP on new systems until January 31, 2009. OEMs and system builders both were OK'd to continue preloading XP on new ultra-low-cost systems through 2010, as many of those systems were and are incapable of running Vista.
Bottom line: Even though Microsoft is maintaining publicly that Vista is finally ready for prime time, it is allowing PC makers to continue to offer customers XP. So what's a user to believe? Is Microsoft really standing behind Vista? And if it's not -- but instead is doing what customers really want (while simply giving lip-service to Vista's readiness -- is that still a positive?
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How does this compare to...
It's interesting and shows that a lot of small corporations still want XP. Not sure it'll overly influence total growth though.
Also...
So, this story seems to be saying "MS offer extension of XP downgrade to a very limited set of small business customers who need to use XP becasue of upgrade costs or busines critical legacy apps whilst continuing to succsefully sell Vista to private and large corporations".
Move along. Nothing to see here.
So...
No...
Plus I use Firefox and the post was typed on my Ubuntu box.
Still the king of false assumptions I see.
MS extends XP downgrade rights by six months
Stardate: 2436.9
Looks like they're squirming
They looked at what real customers were doing, and...
Corporations are still shying away from Vista. More
importantly, so are knowledgeable retail customers. Unless
you've the high geek-quotient knowledge and tools to
make Vista do as well as it can on your own kit, you don't
want the hassle - and by now, everybody's heard how
much hassle is involved from a friend of a friend or a
brother-in-law or whoever. The buzz on Vista, outside
those who professionally depend on it, is execrable.
I was in our local stocks-everything consumer-electronics
shop a few days ago (which sells PCs, Macs and everything
else; sort of like a competent, pleasant Fry's, if you can
imagine that), looking at some of the new Sony vs. Apple
laptops. A guy came up to the sales desk, wife, kid and
stroller in tow, and asked if they could sell him any PC with
XP instead of VIsta. The sales guy responded that
everything they had in stock came with Vista; he could
install XP by ordering it from the OEM. He then walked
over to the Apple area. When I walked over a few minutes
later, he was looking very intently at a new iMac (3.06
GHz, 24", etc.). When I asked him why, he said he'd been
very frustrated dealing with a PC with Vista Home Basic on
it. One of his friends got a MacBook last year when the
phone company was giving them away with new DSL
contracts, and he (the friend) couldn't stop raving about it.
So here he was.
I think Microsoft know far too many people like this guy
for their comfort, and are trying to buy time until they can
rush Windows 7 out the door, in the hope that it will be
sufficiently better than Vista to at least slow the bleeding. I
actually hope they're right. I'd much rather see a less
arrogant, more customer-driven, almost certainly post-
Ballmer Microsoft than none at all. I think any company
can only survive a certain number of Vista-class farkups,
and this is going to remain in people's minds for a long,
long time. As much as I like my experience with Apple, I
wouldn't want them to be the only big player in the
industry; there is something to be said for the Avis motto
("We're #2. We try harder.") Being #1, especially when there
is a huge gap between you and #[i]n[/i], makes it too easy
to become arrogant, sloppy, paranoid; to lose sight of the
importance of keeping your real customers happy... in
other words, too easy to become what Microsoft is
characterized as (caricatured as?) today.
So who are fake customers?
When they quit extending downgrade rights
Perhaps there's a serviceable OS and attendant few basic apps that would fill the needs of many people? Someone could even make a buck doing the servicing part.
:o)
RE: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months
I'm glad to hear MS is finally stepping up to the plate and doing the RIGHT thing. Maybe there's hope for MS afterall :)
This is surely about the bottom line first...
But how many are actually downgrading?
It's not that [i]everyone[/i] is buying Vista with the intentions of downgrading, rather, this option gives people with a concern that the software they already own might not work with Vista an avenue to use should that be the case.
All the while being a totally leagal installation of windows.
So it'a really about both: giving customers what they want, while MS makes money off of the sale of their software.
No different then any other company.
Actually, I'm one....
And that's fine
My wife's new computer is running Vista Business (I don't buy anything with the word "Home" in it!) because a couple of her brothers have been using it and liking it, plus what she's seen of it at her work.
I went with the downgrade rights since they were free, as a backup, in case of problems, but she likes it the way it is, so I never had to use it.
But it was nice to have the option in case our software wouldn't have worked on it
My School downgraded
RE: Microsoft extends XP downgrade rights date by six months
they will change that "feature", and that will doom
the next Windows version. Genuine Advantage,
Trusted Computing, etc.
The title is misleading. It should be:
The current title has led people (at least in the talkbacks) to conclude Microsoft changed something with the right to downgrade. To my knowledge the ability to downgrade is perpetual and never had an expiration date.
Who at Microsoft is your source for this?
never had an expiration date.[/i]
Who is your source for this or are you referring to people at
an individual level downgrading (rather than an OEM)?
End user. I have seen nothing showing a deadline for downgrading.
http://download.microsoft.com/download/2/8/6/2860872a-35dc-4a10-8617-3927aacd189a/downgradeOEMversion-020707.pdf