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Microsoft hones its internal sales pitch for Vista Service Pack 1

By | November 28, 2007, 7:18am PST

Summary: With all the controversy as of late regarding the extent to which Service Pack (SP) 1 will improve Windows Vista’s performance, what is Microsoft saying? Externally, not much. But internally, it’s a different story.

With all the controversy as of late regarding the extent to which Service Pack (SP) 1 will improve Windows Vista’s performance, what is Microsoft saying?

Microsoft hones its internal sales pitch for Vista Service Pack 1Externally, not much. Throughout 2007, Microsoft officials have tried to downplay SP1, hoping to convince users that they don’t need to wait for the first service pack before moving to Windows Vista. As a result, executives have been less-than-forthcoming when it comes to the performance gains they expect Vista SP1 will deliver.

Internally, however, the company is promising some pretty hefty improvements for users who install SP1, according to sources.

I hear that Microsoft is telling its own employees - whom it is hoping to convince to install the new escrow build of te Vista SP1 Release Candidate (RC) test build in order to give the code a final check before the company begins making it available to testers outside the company — that Vista SP1 will:

  • Improve by 25 percent local file copying on the same disk on the same machine
  • Improve by 45 percent the speed of copying files from a remote non-Windows Vista system to a SP1 system
  • Speed up by 50 percent the rate of copying files from a remote SP1 system to a local SP1 system
  • Improve the reading time for large images by roughly 50 percent
  • Improve the time to resume from standby for a “certain class” of USB hubs by about 18 percent
  • Improve the performance of user login on corporate PCs outside of the corporate environment so that it is comparable with login inside companies

What else will Vista SP1 fix? Microsoft is dangling these other SP1 improvements in front of its employees internally, sources said, including:

  • Reduction of the number of User Account Control (UAC) prompts from four to one when creating or renaming a folder at a protected location
  • Improvement of compatibility with third-party diagnostic tools that rely on raw sockets
  • Addition of a password hint during the initial set up of Vista SP1
  • Resolution of many of the most common causes of crashes and hangs in Vista, especially those involving Windows Calendar, Windows Media Player and a number of other drivers included with Vista

Microsoft is expected to make the near-final Vista SP1 RC code available publicly in mid-December. The final version of Vista SP1 is due out in the first calendar quarter of 2008.

I’m curious whether any of the 15,000 external testers who’ve been dabbling with the Vista SP1 RC preview build that Microsoft made available in mid-November have seen these kinds of performance improvements. Anyone care to share?

 (I want 2 be a new improved model #1. Image by easily distracted. CC 2.0)

 

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RE: Microsoft hones its internal sales pitch for Vista Service Pack 1
makrejktt69-24353632235517223654955787814232 12th Nov
aoxois,good post!
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Terms of being a participant ....
ShadeTree 28th Nov 2007
... prevent making such claims. Mary Jo you should know that!
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Like, that's ever stopped anyone... n/t
Wolfie2K3 29th Nov 2007
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I have SP1 and have noted great performance boost.
Sorry MS, you lost me and everyone else I can influence. I was a good drone and purchased 3 upgrades for my two home machines and laptop. Now none run Vista and I eat the cost. Moved to a MAC.

Look at what they are fixing (and what should never had made it out the door):

1. Four (count them, four) prompts to rename a folder.
2. A simple task of copying files (like that has never been done before Vista).

Face it, they sent Vista out way to early just to save face. And now they are paying for that mistake.

Flame away, Chris.
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Wow, I should move to OS X then!
NonZealot 28th Nov 2007
1. Four (count them, four) prompts to rename a folder.

Considering I rename system folders about once a minute, I should see huge productivity gains with OS X!

There are no prompts to rename folders you have rights to (like the folders under "My Documents"). If you do find yourself renaming system folders a lot, you can always do what you are forced to do under OS X and Linux: switch to the administrator account before renaming the folder.

2. A simple task of copying files (like that has never been done before Vista).

Umm, if you move files on a regular basis, OS X is not the OS for you. Turns out that you often lose all your data when you move files. Talk about a show stopper!!

snicker, smirk happy
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The usual b*ll*x from the usual suspect
whisperycat 28th Nov 2007
Are you a thief, NonZealot? Vista thinks so. Have you stumped up the extra cash for the hardware you'll need to run Vista's thief-checking routines? YOu'll need more RAM and a beefy processor, to make sure your thieving ways are caught in a timely fashion by Microsoft's state of the art thief-detecting OS, Vista.

What's truly telling is that the parts of Vista which detect whether the thieving Vista user has started stealing premium content yet, are fully operational. That functionality wasn't shipped out semi-working, oh no! It's important to Microsoft's partners that the thief catching sub-systems (and all Vista users are thieves, as Microsoft well know) was fully operational. Functionality which the thieving Vista user might rely on for their other work (in between the thieving of DRM protected content which they are notorious for) doesn't matter. It can be shipped out at leisure. What matters is that the thieving Vista users are locked down good & tight, so that when they start thieving, Vista can leap in and close down the graphics subsystem. State of the art anti-thieving OS, that's Vista. The rest is just windows dressing.
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Have you stumped up the extra cash for the hardware you'll need to run Vista's thief-checking routines?

Yes, and it wasn't very expensive, much less expensive than the hardware that Apple's DRM forces me to buy.

So what is the moral of the story? If you don't want to pay for the hard work of content producers around the world and your moral compass allows you to feel good about yourself while you are stealing, Vista is not the OS for you. If you don't want to overpay for inferior hardware, OS X is not the OS for you. Decide what is most important to you and choose your OS based on that. I have and you'll find Linux and Windows in my home. I refuse to allow an OS manufacturer to dictate what hardware supplier I must buy from.
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What OS X DRM ????
mrOSX 28th Nov 2007
NT
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OS X is built on DRM
NonZealot 28th Nov 2007
What do you think prevents me from installing OS X on a fully capable Dell? Hackers have cracked OS X to disable the DRM check for the TPM DRM chip that you pay for in every Mac and whaddyaknow: OS X runs on a Dell. That DRM is far more restrictive to me than anything in Vista since the DRM in Vista doesn't prevent me from doing anything I want to do. OS X's DRM, on the other hand, is crippling to those who refuse to give their OS manufacturer the ability to dictate which hardware manufacturer they must buy from. If you enjoy being told who you must buy your computer from and you don't mind paying $2,000 for $1,000 worth of computer parts, buy OS X! If you prefer to think for yourself though, OS X is a terrible choice.
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It has to do with EFI support (Bios replacement).
Nice try though
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Try disabling the TPM chip in your Mac
NonZealot 28th Nov 2007
THE TPM Chip has nothing to do with it...

See how far you get.

It has to do with EFI support (Bios replacement).

Ahh, I see you fell for Apple's lies. That's okay, you aren't alone. There are EFI emulators for BIOS systems but that isn't enough. Those who have cracked OS X needed to disable all checks for the TPM DRM chip or OS X wouldn't run. It has nothing to do with EFI. Apple's licensing forbids you to run OS X on a non Apple computer and they enforce that with their TPM DRM chip.
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OSX wipes the floor with Windows
3dtodd 29th Nov 2007
I'd rather pay a little more for a stable OS and higher tech motherboard anyday. Yes, picking the OS for you can be a very personal choice. But OSX Leopard, on a user-experience level, makes Vista look like an archaeological find in the Mohave Desert.
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To 3dTodd: "higher Tech motherboard?"
tikigawd 29th Nov 2007
I guess Big Brother Jobs knows best because he has ALL the latest and bestest technologies available to his Apple sheep.

Yes, all the other motherboard manufacturers in the world pale in comparison to Apple's tech dominance and intellectual superiority.

Thanks. You gave me a good laugh
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Agreed...
dracolich_prgrm 29th Nov 2007
I've looked at the hardware a Mac runs on... I can buy a system that's several times better than a Mac and paid roughly the same price for it.

Thanks, but if I want to pay $4,000 for a system, I want to get the best hardware for my money, and I'm not getting a Mac, that's for sure.
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Higher tech Mobo???
Dr. John 29th Nov 2007
Dude! It's a Dell!

Same company makes 'em both, Foxconn.

A higher tech board would be from someone like Asus. Or, MSI. Or... Wait. That's gonna be a long list of or's.
I'll stick with my crappy Asus and EVGA boards.
They are so horrible.
I cry myself to sleep every night
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TPM is not used in the Mac
paul351 29th Nov 2007
Looking up TPM on WikiPedia I came acroos this information:

A Trusted Platform Module (TPM) is a microcontroller that stores secured information. It was thought that Intel Macintoshes use the chip to prevent Mac OS X from running on non-Apple PCs. However, Amit Singh has claimed that the TPM is not used by Apple and is in fact absent from recent Intel Apple computers. TPM technology is considered controversial by some users due to its presumed role in future DRM technologies, but to date Apple seems to have chosen not to implement its functions.

Now here is how Apple prevents MacOS X from being installed on non-Apple hardware. The method used involves a kernel extension:

Dont Steal Mac OS X.kext

Dont Steal Mac OS X.kext is a file present in Intel-capable versions of the Mac OS X Operating System requesting that users of Mac OS X not "steal" it. Currently the extension is only included with the version of OS X that runs on the Intel Core processor family and is located at /System/Library/Extensions on the volume containing the operating system. The extension contains a kernel function called page_transform() which performs AES decryption of "apple-protected" programs. A Mac OS X system which is missing this extension, or a system where the extension has determined it's not running on Apple hardware, will be missing this decryption capability, and as a result will not be able to run the Apple-restricted binaries Dock, Finder, loginwindow, SystemUIServer, mds, ATSServer, translate or translated.


I went into the MacOS X System->Library->Extensions and did a get info in the kernel extension "Dont Steal Mac OS X" and found this bit of information:

The purpose of this Apple software is to protect apple copyrighted materials from unauthorized copying and use. You may not copy, modify, reverse engineer, publicly display, publicly perform, sublicense, transfer or redistribute this file, in whole or in part. If you have obtained a copy of this Apple software and do not have a valid license from Apple Computer to use it, please immediately destroy or delete it from your computer.

So there. Apple does not include a TPM Chip in their hardware, especially their MacIntoshes. MacOS X is prevented from being installed on non-Apple hardware by means of a kernel extension.
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TPM or not, it's still DRM...
tikigawd 30th Nov 2007
First of all, I wouldn't take a listing in Wikipedia as gospel.
But for the sake of argument I'll accept Apple makes no use of the TPM chip installed on its systems...
They still want to dictate what hardware their OS runs on, which was the point NZ was making. So what's the difference?
mamao
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I have not seen, until now!
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... of your post contained in your title. I too found your post to be the usual b*ll*x from the usual suspect. You spouted more b*ll*x in that single post then the average person does in a life time. Your mother must be so proud!
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I agree, it started in XP...
tek_heretik 29th Nov 2007
actually, the spying started even further back than that but whatever. Another poster mentioned Apples chipped in DRM, I forgot all about that, there goes the 'my next PC is a Mac' idea. Oh well, Linux will mature someday and save the world or not, we could be the victims of greedy geek yuppies forever. >:-[
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Not the point
cmosentine 28th Nov 2007
My point is that Vista was rushed out the door. There is no way MS did not get LOTS of feedback during beta testing.

Reorganize shared start menu folder - get prompts. How 'bout asking for permission once with an admin password, then shut the F&^% up please.

MS as been trying to turn a pig's ear into a silk purse for 10 years in the effort to maintain backwards compatibility. That is the real problem.

Oh, and don't get me started on the 64-bit version.....

Maybe you are the PR lady in the new Apple add.
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no os is bug free
Pug466 28th Nov 2007
If you wait for every bug to be fix before it's rushed out the door it may never see daylight including Leopard.
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Huh, and Leopard wasn't?
xuniL_z 28th Nov 2007
What do you mean about the 64 bit version? It's fine. At the very least it is full and true 64 bit unlike the partial 64 bit OSX Apple advertises as full 64 bit on their website.

Truth in advertising is something Apple has no concept of, isn't it?
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Like a convicted armed robber
Ole Man 28th Nov 2007
calling a shoplifter a thief.

Stop that thief! He's got a stick of gum in
his mouth he didn't pay for! Never mind the
loot from my bank heist.
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You are so right.
ShadeTree 29th Nov 2007
The problems with Leapord have benn so much more severe. At least with Vista there has been no data loss!
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8 cylinder automobile and got home only to find they gave you a four cylinder model? Wow, you are one understanding dude. I'm not sure why you hate Microsoft so much in that case!! You really are an enigma Ole Man. When you figure out your story someday, hopefully before you have totally gone off the deep end, come on back and let us know.
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Since I have lived a lot longer, done more
things, been more places, and learned a lot
more than you, I know who has to figure out
what.

Someday, when your mommy teaches you a
little respect for your elders and a little
humility maybe (if that's possible with
you), and you grow up a little, you may be
able to figure out which end is up (hint:
it's the end without the crack, unless you
fell and cracked your skull).
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Chuck and duck.
xuniL_z 3rd Dec 2007
That is a little saying we used to use in baseball when a batter smoked a pitch right back up the middle so hot the pitcher could do nothing but duck.

My scenario was that hit and your response was the duck.

I've tried to show you respect in the past btw, but you keep coming after me with nothing but insults against my intelligence and my motives. Non stop. What do you expect in return? Of course I add the little lines at the end in jest but you are too grumpy, apparently, to take them in the right light.
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take them in the right light
Ole Man 3rd Dec 2007
Oh, I take them in the right light, alright.

Like Richard Nixon, you make yourself
perfectly clear...... that you are one
confused little duck, and you don't know
nuthin bout that funny little light out
yonder in the Watergate.

Have a nice daze... next time you light up
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You are one sorry ole man i guess.

You and your pagan...er..i mean liberal friends have no ability to dispute the truth, so you keep on throwing in the accusations and little sayings.

Are they meant to hurt me? Ole Man, you don't have the power to hurt me, no matter how hard you tried.

there, how's that for you, Don Rickles.
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Why wear cramped shoes around and cry and
whine about it? Just don't wear them.

Your attempted insults don't bother me. Why
the thin skin? If you can't take it, don't
dish it out, and if you don't want to look
dumb, don't spout rivers of dumb stuff. Do
you think that I am the only one who
notices?
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Can't take it???
xuniL_z 5th Dec 2007
Your ramblings off into looney land amuse me. What do you mean, can't take it?

Oh have you got it wrong ole man.

Because I capped that last post? That was just for fun and to show what a nut case you are.


You don't think people don't notice your replies that say nothing except some jibberish of a euphemism or other old saying that has nothing to do with the original post.

I've seen what others post to you, when they bother. Most don't. You are lucky you have me responding to you.
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Don't bother, Zuny
Ole Man 5th Dec 2007
Yaaaawn.... you are boring. Too much
nothing.

Ciou!
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Unfortunately for you,
xuniL_z 6th Dec 2007
Unless you request it of zdnet and they honor it, you can't stop me. So there.
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Who ever heard tell of stopping the plague?
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OSX
jan@... 28th Nov 2007
I keep hearing how OSX screws up things.
I have purchased a Imac and it is so easy to use. I change folder names frequently,
just mouse click on the name and retype. My browser sometimes crashes and a
window comes up saying sorry your browser crashed, just relaunch it. I do not have
to restart the machine. I move my files from one folder to another constantly and
have had no issues.
I believe you are disseminating a lot of disinformation.
As for system folders why would you want to mess with a item that is working?
Oh, and I have never lost any data
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You mean just like Windows?
NonZealot 28th Nov 2007
My browser sometimes crashes and a window comes up saying sorry your browser crashed, just relaunch it.I do not have to restart the machine.

You mean just like IE?

As for system folders why would you want to mess with a item that is working?

The original poster was making fun of Windows because you get 4 prompts to rename a folder. You only get 4 prompts if you are renaming a folder you don't have write permissions to, typically a system folder. So if you agree that you don't typically want to mess with system folders, you also agree that you don't typically get 4 prompts when you change a folder name in Vista and that the original poster was, and I quote: disseminating a lot of disinformation

Oh, and I have never lost any data

No, you don't think you've lost any data.
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I don't want to admit...
hjk4300 29th Nov 2007
... that I am one of the arguing children...but dude,why don't you just change your name to "AntiMac"? Zealotry is evident, but I would just like to see arguments based on what Apple is - which is first and foremost a hardware company - as opposed to what it is not, meaning it is not at its core a software company, like MS. IMHO, of course.
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Not a software Co? Uhh yeah...
tikigawd 29th Nov 2007
but I would just like to see arguments based on what Apple is - which is first and foremost a hardware company - as opposed to what it is not, meaning it is not at its core a software company, like MS. IMHO, of course.

Call me dense, but they sure as hell market themselves as being a whole-system company, which means hardware AND software. You can't have it bothe ways. You can't say Leopard is the ambrosia of OSes, then turn around and say Apple is not a software company. If they're not then who made Leopard?
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Re: Not a software Co?
bdthompson 29th Nov 2007
Apple's focus is hardware. They use the classic Mainframe/Minicomputer business model. The operating system is there to sell hardware. Nothing more and nothing less. If Apple were TRULY a software company, they would offer OSX as an OS that would run on any X86 system.
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Not a software company....?
xuniL_z 29th Nov 2007
Would you please then ask Jobs to quit writing the most bloated and unsecure software for Windows?

Why, pray tell, would a hardware company have ANY interest in writing a browser for another OS?

Sorry, but the facts don't add up.
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Maybe iTunes is actually a virus...
tikigawd 30th Nov 2007
...that after installed on a non-Apple PC it converts it into Apple hardware.

Sure, they try limit where their OS runs in the hopes that people will buy their overpriced pretty white big boxes (Mac PCs). And yes, they also are making boatloads of money on their pretty multi-colored little boxes (iPods and iPhones). But part of their business model is also based on their music and video sales, which have only been able to penetrate the market thanks to their iTunes SOFTWARE, which is for the most part installed on non-Apple hardware (ie, Windows-based PCs). So I would not so readily call them a non-software company.
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Did you read the article?
cjc5447 28th Nov 2007
The article was about Vista SP1, not OSX (whatever version of OSX you are running). Stop wasting everyone's time on useless posts.
Most likely the caused of the browser crashing is plug-ins especialy Flash. Since Adobe bought out Macromedia the quality been dismal to say the least.
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How did I know...
vulpine@... 29th Nov 2007
...That NZ would be putting his head in his rear again?
He uses sarcasm to troll and lies to hide his ignorance.

Interesting though... he actually tells the truth in one
point. Unlike Vista (with 4 and soon to be 1 prompt to
rename folders) OS X doesn't prompt. And OS X won't
allow non-admin accounts to rename or move system
folders. This is good, not bad. It was much too easy to
screw up folders in Windows before Vista, and much too
annoying to do so now.

As for your 'moving files' noise, the word "Often" is
patently false. It took specific conditions to cause that
issue... an issue that stands no more.
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Havnig a Choice vs Not
tikigawd 29th Nov 2007
Interesting though... he actually tells the truth in one
point. Unlike Vista (with 4 and soon to be 1 prompt to
rename folders) OS X doesn't prompt. And OS X won't
allow non-admin accounts to rename or move system
folders. This is good, not bad. It was much too easy to
screw up folders in Windows before Vista, and much too
annoying to do so now.


Let me see:
1a. If I use Vista not logged in as an admin I get prompted if I try to rename a folder I have no rights to.

1b. If I use OSX not logged in as an admin I CAN'T rename folders I have no rights to.

2a. If I use Vista logged in as an admin I can rename folders with no prompts.

2b. If I use OSX logged in as an admin I can rename folders with no prompts.

So in OSX you MUST log in as an admin to rename such folders, while in Vista you MAY log in as an admin to rename such folders, or alternatively you must suffer through some prompts w/o havnig to log off and log back in with the appropriate rights.

Keep in mind this whole tirade started by people bitching about the prompts Vista gives. I fail to see where the suggestions of OSX superiority come from if in a similar scenario OSX doesn't even ALLOW you to do the oh-so-annoying task Vista at least gives you the CHOICE to perform.
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Choices...
vulpine@... 29th Nov 2007
Keep in mind this whole tirade started by people
bitching about the prompts Vista gives. I fail to see
where the suggestions of OSX superiority come from if in
a similar scenario OSX doesn't even ALLOW you to do the
oh-so-annoying task Vista at least gives you the CHOICE
to perform.


Reasonably thought out; Thank you.

However, one of the biggest threats to any desktop
computer isn't viruses or trojans, it is the user. I,
personally, don't WANT an arbitrary user to even have
the CHANCE to change folders. That's my choice. It's too
easy for an unauthorized person to deduce or learn the
admin password and make a change that could mess up
the works if they have the opportunity.
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huh??
xuniL_z 29th Nov 2007
You purchase a new machine with an OS and you can't perform any administrative tasks? Yeah, that'd be great.

On a windows domain, that is a different story. Only IS is going to have admin rights, ever. Users will not have the ability to do administrative tasks, in fact many standard user tasks are taken away at most sites.

I'm not sure I follow you.
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Not sure this is quite true
A.Sinic 30th Nov 2007
I think you still get the prompts on Vista even when logged in as an admin, though in that case you dont have to enter a password for it, just click OK. On my home PC I use fingerprint login, so its pretty easy when one of the family wants to do a restricted change, I can just put my finger on the reader and on they go.
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RE: Microsoft hones its internal sales pitch for Vista Service Pack 1
makrejktt69-24353632235517223654955787814232 12th Nov
aoxois,good post!

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