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Microsoft: It's not just a store, it's a branding experience

By | February 13, 2009, 12:20pm PST

Microsoft execs dropped a few more hints on February 13 about what the company’s just-announced Microsoft-branded retail stores might look like.

Microsoft still isn’t talking particulars — the whens and wheres — of the family of Microsoft-branded stores that it is going to build. But at Minority Student Day at the company’s Redmond headquarters, Microsoft President of Entertainment and Devices Robbie Bach, told reporters that Microsoft isn’t going to be seeking to emulate the Apple retail concept. (That’s refreshing, given how deep Apple envy seems to run on the consumer side of Microsoft these days.)

Seattle Times blogger Benjamin Romano quoted Bach on how Microsoft’s retail stores will be different from Apple’s:

“Apple’s approach was about distribution. People forget that when they entered their stores [in 2001], this was quite a while ago, they didn’t have distribution for Macintoshes, so they created their own distribution.

“We have plenty of distribution. These stores for us are about building our connection to customers, about building our brand presence and about reaching out and understanding what works and what improves the selling experience.”

Does that mean Microsoft won’t be pushing to sell Xboxes and Big-Ass Tables in its retail outlets? Will it actually sell PCs, phones, consoles and software at all? Or will it simply turn its forthcoming Microsoft stores into showrooms, with all product fulfillment happening through referrals to PC makers, other retail outlets and/or PC vendors themselves?

Former Softie Robert Scoble has a (very) long post with advice for Microsoft on how to do better than Apple at retail. The short version of his post: Start with bathroom design. (No, I’m not kidding). My ZDNet blogging colleague Larry Dignan advises Microsoft to use its new stores as a beta-testing fishbowl for gathering information from customers to whom they might not be talking already.  And All Things D blogger Kara Swisher reminisces about Microsoft’s previous failed attempt at going retail with a store in San Francisco.

One thing’s for sure: David Porter, the new head of retail stores for Microsoft, sure has a daunting task ahead….

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RE: Microsoft: Itâs not just a store, itâs a branding experience
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They have to move product to stay open. This is basic common sense. They can't expect store operations to be underwritten as a kind of marketing device.

Whether the move will work for MS or not remains to be seen. I just get the feeling that MS execs think this is a much better idea than it really is.
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Agreed...
Hallowed are the Ori 13th Feb 2009
I like Microsoft, but this just seems like a really stupid idea... that's going to cost a lot of money.
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It's because Microsoft is too busy sticking it's fingers everywhere.
No More Microsoft Software Ever! Updated - 3rd Mar 2009
They can't keep this up. Why doesn't Microsoft just give up their tactic to take over all areas of computing and concentrate on their primary business.

Current Microsoft stock levels means an investor has not made a cent from MS stock unless they purchased that stock (including dividends) at any time wayyy back before February 1998.

On the other hand if you invested in Apple at any time before January 2007 you have made money on Apple stock. That's because Apple is focused whereas Microsoft is 'all over the place'.
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This is how you burn money
Cyclic 14th Feb 2009
Welcome to Microsoft learning how to be stupid.
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Actually, the show room concept has been is use for years.
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 14th Feb 2009
Particularly in the fashion industry. Attraction rather than promotion is what this model is about.

It might work...Microsoft really wants to attract new folks that have no knowledge of the Microsoft history. That is their only hope. Once folks catch on to Microsoft those folks no longer support MS with their cash. MS must get newbies at a constant rate.
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Video: Store Promo
mikefarinha 13th Feb 2009
You can see what the store will be like in this video.

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090113/microsoft-opens-fake-store-demo-retail/
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Here we go again...
gregory.dworak@... 13th Feb 2009
Lets see, they copied OS X with Vista, and it failed. They copied the iPod with Zune, and it failed. The iPhone is passing Mobile Me, so its beginning its own decent. Now they're going to copy the Mac Store, guess what, it will fail too. Microsoft is completely lacking in its ability to innovate. Even when they have a company like Apple to copy and steal innovations from, they're attempts are mediocre at best. Microsoft needs to find and focus on their own innovative ideas and products and stop trying to copy Apple's successes. They're just not any good at it. I have no idea what that might be, but with all their money and resources, you'd think they'd be able to come up with something.

They're bleeding market share to Apple at an accelerating rate, and they need to find someone like Jon Ives and Steve Jobs to take them in a different direction. By the time they come out with products similar to Apple's innovative wares, and try to compete against them, it's too late. They're offering a first generation product, and Apple is already at a second or third generation iteration. Ballmer and company just don't get it. If the board of directors at Microsoft had an once of common sense, they'd be searching feverishly for a replacement for Monkey Boy Ballmer. The man has no vision and is incapable of an original idea.

Who could have imagined this historic unfolding 10 years ago? Microsoft seemed on the edge of taking over the entire computing industry and could do no wrong? Now they?re looking quite pathetic. I love it.
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Now they are going to start "branding" us.
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It is more than an experience...
Mike Cox 13th Feb 2009
It is THE EXPERIENCE. I personally believe being "seen" at the Microsoft store will become a requirement for all celebrities in order to be taken seriously. The stores are decorated in some of the finest paints and sofas, inviting all those who enter to lounge around and embrace Microsoft technology. In one of the retail mockups I saw, images of Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt and Lebron James were shown Hot-mailing, Zuning and XBOXing using holograms. The ambience of the store dwarfed any experience one would have at Tiffany's. Microsoft is on to something HUGE here, the Microsoft brand has never been stronger and now is the time to teach Google, Apple and everyone else a lesson.
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You're missing an important point...
gregory.dworak@... 13th Feb 2009
Microsoft isn't cool. It's a company by nerds, for nerds, of nerds. Microsoft will never out cool Apple. Besides, they don't have the wares to shine above Apple.

The one single advantage they might have, is more game titles. But, from what I hear from most people, they prefer playing their games with either Sony Playstation, Nintendo and Xbox, which are better equipped and designed to do.

If not for Microsoft's lock they have on corporate users, their numbers would look really bad. When compared to Apple in non-corporate sales, it's like Apple with 35% and Microsoft with with 60%. A 30% drop from where they were at 10 years ago. People are fed up with the hassles of virus's, malware, trojans and spyware prevalent with Windows based systems. Apple has done a good job informing people that Apple offers a different and much better experience.
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Did you hear that noise?
Hallowed are the Ori 13th Feb 2009
That was the sound of satire passing right over your head.

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So very true
John Zern 14th Feb 2009
Mike Cox never ceases to amaze me, he gets one every time.

If only I could catch as many out on the lake...
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That is silly nonsense
stano360 17th Feb 2009
Apple may make a great computer for certain people. But my website which deals primarily with consumers and schools (maybe more Mac leaning) is about 10% Mac and 95% Windows and 5% Other (Mac can run slightly higher).

I know two people with a Mac and one is an old laptop. Who has all of these computers? Go to any electronics store online or otherwise and you see all MS based pcs.

Again, I am not trying to denigrate Macs. From what I can tell they are fine computers, but crazy fanboyism is silly.
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Get Penelope Cruz and I'm so there.
DannyO_0x98 13th Feb 2009
Hmm. I thought the I'm a PC celebs were generally William Morris talent.

No matter, I cannot wait for the Hollywood store. To be truly California
hip, they should call it "M" or "The Big Blue." Hey guys, the Shoes for
Less space opened up on Jan. 1. On Beverly Boulevard, kitty cornered to
CBS and across the street from Ernie's Tacos. Not my first choice either,
but Apple is already in The Grove and the Beverly Center and Santa
Monica 4th Street Promenade.
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You nailed it as usual Mike
kozmcrae 14th Feb 2009
Did you happen to notice if they give tattoos as well as branding?
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MIKE COX
Black Barack 15th Feb 2009
YOU ARE SERIOUSLY DERANGED
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where is the fine liqueur?
Linux Geek 16th Feb 2009
You really can't have a good 'EXPERIENCE' without M$ pitching in with some liqueur made by a patented formula created by uncle Gate$.
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Do they do refunds on Conficker?
Christian_<>< 13th Feb 2009
I wonder if they do refunds for all of the lost money due to system outages from WORMS!

wink
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Do they do refunds on Conficker?
GAXXIS 23rd Feb 2009
it_wk The record is broken, or it might be you. that problem has been fixed and is a NON-Issue. If people are still afflicted by this do a restore or a clean install, update then it becomes a NON Issue

IMHO Gaxxis
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Know that IT guy at work?
HollywoodDog 13th Feb 2009
You know the one; 60% body fat, can barely move, but
nurtures a burning resentment that anyone is allowed to
log in to their computers at all. He's the guy who sends
emails once a month to remind all employees that they
must conform to the internet use policies, no personal web
surfing, no music or video at work, and above all no
personal laptops may connect to the corporate network.
The one who tells you the company will be examining
every packet to determine if it is business related.

Well now you can have the experience of dealing with that
guy in your personal life as well. When you walk in to the
Microsoft Experience Center, a guy just like that will ignore
you when you have questions, and help you plan a way to
get works inherited domain permissions in to your home.

Let the hipsters buy cool devices, and deal with helpful,
young, low-body-fat store staff at Apple.

This is Microsoft. And now Microsoft wants in you your
free time as well.

Microsoft: the line forms here.
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Now that is MS in real life...
Christian_<>< 14th Feb 2009
Except you left off, the Microsoft servers are infected with worms, the desktops are clogged up with spyware/malware/trojans and Microsoft is telling you how wonderful it is to use their software.


Alternatives, Mac or Linux distro's
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I have that experience evey time
AllKnowingAllSeeing 14th Feb 2009
I walk into an Apple store.

Genius: I didn't realize how low they lowered the bar to be a "genius" untill I had to deal with someone in the Apple store.
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baaaaaahahahahaha so true!
Shinsengumi 26th Feb 2009
love the imagery! I personally couldn't think
of a less capable company than Microsoft to
make a retail store.

It's going to fail more than George Bush as
President.
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Should be interesting
dfolk2 14th Feb 2009
I wonder if regular protests, and vociferous complaints from MS users will be regular feature at such stores. I can think of few companies which have engendered as much negative feelings from many consumers as MS has.
I cannot come up with a single reason why I would want to visit, never mind shop at an MS store, and I am not even a Mac user.
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Well
Linux User 147560 14th Feb 2009
they do have nice mice and keyboards! devil
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Other stores will carry those also (nt)
Economister 14th Feb 2009
nt
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Yeah... I know
Linux User 147560 14th Feb 2009
but I was just trying to answer your question or at least give you a reason... but I agree, there are other places to get what I want when it comes to hardware. devil
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Retail come back!
rtirman37@... 14th Feb 2009
Good news for pulling this beta stuff out of my Vista and get my imaging computer up and running correctly. My computer, computer is an XP SP2.
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Sad Investment
Cyclic 14th Feb 2009
Wow. Sad that Microsoft is investing in its public image rather than improve its standards and play nice with the community. They certainly need to improve a lot of applications before they can even claim to be an apple-like product. I wonder what the hell is going on over there.
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I think its a good Investment
ArnavM Updated - 14th Feb 2009
Firstly, economy is at its bottommost point. So, they have to invest minimum at this period of time. They will get real estate and workers (thanx to unemployment) at the minimum of cost
Secondly, improving PR has to be the topmost priority for any company. So, at this period of time, its a healthy step. And if they get some increase in sale in some of its dead products, along with improved public image, and getting back 90% OS share back, it will be worth an investment.
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Money could be better spent elsewhere
ChrisOPeterson 14th Feb 2009
I am still not convinced that stores are the best way for Microsoft to
better band themselves. If they put this money into better advertising and
software it would go a lot farther than stores. What are these stores
going to sell? Why do we want to go?
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You wouldn't want the truth to come haunt you now would you?
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It's the gateway model!
frgough 14th Feb 2009
We'll show you all our stuff, then tell you where you can go to
buy it.

Yeah, that was a really successful model for Gateway. Made
them huge, it did. Grabbed them gobs of money.
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That's not right
AllKnowingAllSeeing 14th Feb 2009
You've never been to a Gateway store. have you?

The way it worked was you walked in, checked out the offereings hands-on, ordered your system right there, and they shipped it to you from the warehouse.

The reason it failed was the same reason Gateway as a whole failed: Their systems weren't the best for the money.

MS isn't doing the Gateway Model, My guess is the Apple model: The Items are right there in the store.

You can bet Apple isn't happy with this news.
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Apple is laughing
bpony 14th Feb 2009
Apple's probably laughing their asses off. You can only buy Apple products from an Apple store (or a certified Apple dealer). You can buy Microsoft products from any store that carries computer hardware and software. Show me why Microsoft needs a special store to carry products that every other computer-selling store offers.

But, if you think a Microsoft store is a good idea, perhaps I could convince you to buy potato chips at a certified Lays store instead of buying them from Wal-mart.
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See below
John Zern Updated - 14th Feb 2009
See post below

(it posted this twice) sad
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I think Pliney's right
John Zern 14th Feb 2009
I doubt Apple is laughing this off.

Just like Google was lauging their a$$es off when MS tried to get Yahoo?

Laughing all the way to the SEC and DOJ?

No, this is more then just selling what Walmart carries, this is branding eveything that MS sells, not just the things that a particular store carries.

Dell is starting to get the concept of "cool", but they can't rely on one vendor to brand their offerings with the general public.

Maybe someone comes in to look at XBox and sees Windows 7, someone else looking for Office and sees Media Center on the screen and upgrades to Home Premium, who knows.

Sure, you and I may know all the things that MS sells, but I'm guessing many people don't and this is a way to get all there offerings out in front of the public.

Windows 95 took off when MS made it a big event (Jay Leno and everything), something they seemed to have forgotten, until now.

I think this is much more then just "selling what you can get in Walmart":

It's all of MS's stuff in one place, no distractions.
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When was the last time
A.Sinic 15th Feb 2009
you saw an electronic retailer doing a decent demo of a Windows PC? At least the Mac stores and dealers know their stuff (mostly). The PC stores dont train their staff, and you're lucky to find PCs that aren't locked down on a login screen or to a screensaver. No chance to see what the product can really do.

At least in an MS store, the product would get a fair presentation.
The most suitable display will be row upon row of empty
suits, hanging from the ceiling.

This will reflect the morons who run Microsoft.

They might also consider large HD displays playing endless
loops of Ballmer jumping around on stage like the maniac
he is.

Also, an entire wall of virus detection software.

A large basket, similar to Walmart baskets stuffed with
DVDs nobody wants, filled with Zunes at bargain prices.

Kids behind counters dressed like Bob.

Finally, a section called "Cheap Plastic", where all of the PC
vendors dumb enough to use Windows will be prominently
displayed.
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Crap
custserv@... 15th Feb 2009
What I dont understand is, if you dont like MS, why do you read these articles and bother posting?

This is a site about news, not being a douche-bag fan boy. F off.

ZD-Net you should do something about this.
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Complaint Department
keaura 16th Feb 2009
What's the first thing someone (the average person, not the
person who reads these articles) is going to do when they
hear Microsoft has opened a store? I mean, besides not
actually caring enough.

They are going to gather up their computer (or at least
their questions) and head on over and seek out someone
to fix the problem and help them. They aren't going there
to be branded. They aren't going there to check out some
Windows Mobile phone.

They are going to expect to be helped by someone who,
finally, can answer their questions.

If I were Microsoft, I'd either have 80% of the store devoted
to a triage center and work room, or not even bother to
open the store.
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Excellent point
dfolk2 16th Feb 2009
But MS will probably have a
"we don't fix your problems
here" policy for the
stores- if they don't, big
lines of people with
problems will be the most
featured attraction at the
store.
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I want my PC!
DarthNihlus 17th Feb 2009
Are they going to offer the Microsoft Shirts and other Branded gear?

The geek in me just loves to get the Halo Shirt with my video game. Found this site on the web. They have a huge selection of cool microsoft stuff. http://shop.ecompanystore.com/mscompanystore
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Long boot times to enter store?
8string 18th Feb 2009
In keeping with 30 years of 'progress' in computing, do we have to pause about 30 seconds before entering the new stores? This is the 'boot time' to enter a MS storefront. It's reported that Apple and Linux storefronts allow you to enter immediately. Has that been confirmed yet?
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Microsoft is scum...why give them money?????? (NT)
No More Microsoft Software Ever! 3rd Mar 2009
NT
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Mac Vs. Mc
BigTipper Updated - 15th Jul 2009
Apple fans are so irritating in their immaturity. Even though just about everything Apple has done, is copied from someone else, the minute someone else does something that Apple does, they jump up and down like whiny 10-year olds, saying "Ooh, they copied Apple, they copied Apple!" Apple store? Uhh, hello Gateway, didn't you do that in 1998? Didn't work out so well for them, but even they weren't the first computer company to do retail. I remember buying a PC from an IBM store-within-a-store. The were selling PCjr's, so that would make that 1984 or 1985.

Apple fans should console themselves with the fact/belief that they are buying a stylish, well marketed product, that has some panache. It will not likely win the volume war, but they shouldn't even be wishing for that. Would you really think people would envy you your Apple product if it was that common? Do you think people who eat at McDonald's are to be envied because McDonald's is the most popular (by far) restaurant in the world? Yeah, I'd rather eat at a Gordon Ramsey restaurant any day, but probably not if he was serving a trillion Big Mac's a year. No, you should be happy that you are one of the 6% of Mac owners, and not the 90% of PC owners. It's better to be a Mac, than a Mc, for status. Of course, the Mc makes way more money, but that's the volume game. Don't begrudge MS for their popularity (by volume). You don't want Apple to win the volume game. You wouldn't be all that special, then.
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I am not an Apple fanboy, just an apple fan
Pete "athynz" Athens 16th Jul 2009
so I don't consider myself one of those obnoxious hard core Apple fanatics...

However

I can see why they react the way they do - for the longest time MS has had the market share despite the Apple computers being IMHO a lot easier to deal with. Now with Apple's success with the iPod, iTunes, iPhone, ietc. it looks like the shoe is on the other foot with the MS fanatics all up in arms and so now you have the geek version of the Dallas Cowboys/ Washington Redskins battle... LOL Personally I find fanatics on BOTH sides to be equally annoying...

Also Gateway did try - but that is all they did was try. At the time of their stores opening their products were great, then the products just were made cheaper, Gateway's rep went downhill and the stores closed. Apple's claim to fame in that respect is NOT the fact they opened a retail store but that they made a success of it and are still going strong. Not too shabby for the perennial underdog.

Microsoft wanted and needed to sync up Vista SP1 with Windows Server 2008. It?s a calculated risk, especially given all the trouble Microsoft had with drivers not working right sexy lingeriewhen the company first released Vista to manufacturing in November 2006.
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