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Microsoft 'NoDo' Windows Phone 7 update to be a no-show until early March

By | February 10, 2011, 4:00am PST

Summary: Even though Microsoft delivered updated Windows Phone 7 development tools to testers in early February, the first software update to Windows Phone 7 isn’t here yet. In fact, according to various testers and other sources with whom I’ve spoken, it won’t arrive until early March.

Even though Microsoft delivered updated Windows Phone 7 development tools to testers in early February, the first software update to Windows Phone 7 isn’t here yet. In fact, according to various testers and other sources with whom I’ve spoken, it won’t be here next week, either. Or the week after that.

The first “NoDo” update for Windows Phone 7 is now slated for early March, my sources are saying. (Neowin is reporting they’re hearing March 8, the same date cited by an individual who asked not to be named with whom I’ve conversed.)

What’s the holdup? Microsoft has been talking up plans to release its first Windows Phone 7 update for weeks. That update is slated to deliver copy-and-paste functionality, Windows Phone Marketplace search improvements and various stability/performance updates, among other features.

Some are blaming the carriers for the delay. Others are pointing fingers at handset makers requiring last-minute changes that require Microsoft to provide new ROMs (which one source said the Redmondians are planning to deliver to partners in mid-February). All this is even more maddening, given I’ve heard from one of my contacts that Microsoft actually put the finishing touches on NoDo before the end of calendar 2010.

(This “herding many cats” problem is the downside to providing phones provided by multiple carriers and built by multiple suppliers.)

Supposedly, Microsoft is going to come clean at the Mobile World Congress show in Barcelona next week and acknowledge the first Windows Phone 7 update (since the phones began shipping in October 2010) won’t hit until March 2011.

I’ve asked company officials for comment and will update this post with Microsoft’s response, if any.

Update
: “No further information as to timing has been released beyond what we already shared at CES,” a company spokesperson said. At CES, CEO Steve Ballmer said there would be a series of updates released for the phone over the “next few months.”

Meanwhile, I’m curious if any readers know more about why it’s taking the Softies so long to start providing updates for Windows Phone 7. Yes, I know that good things take time. But in the consumer market, the tolerance for updates and new features is far shorter than it is in the business world — something that Microsoft execs seem to be discounting….

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RE: Microsoft 'NoDo' Windows Phone 7 update to be a no-show until early March
dfwekrwe30-24353599317173296911749257103268 10th Nov
tsntid,good post!
Unfortunate, I would really like to see a Windows Phone 7 / Windows OS Tablet combination get out there early and compete .... there are business life / social life integrators that would like to see Microsoft really get in the game to increase competition and improve functionality for users in the mobility market
@KACarter07 Sad thing is. Only the people who are totally immersed in the Windows ecosystem (only use Windows, IE, Office, and xbox live) would benefit from using this phone. Firefox users won?t switch to IE just because of a phone. People that don?t regularly use Microsoft Office, will not gain an advantage from this phone. Playstation 3 and Nintendo Wii users most likely won?t want to pay for xbox Live. So where is the benefit? What do the large ugly icons (tiles) offer these people? Limiting the phone to one group is not the best way to market a device.
@Rick_K You're implying that you have to use every Microsoft product in order to get something from this phone. I don't have an xBox though I still benefit from the use of Office. People who are love their "gamer score" might love the phone and never touch the Office hub.

I'm not saying that's enough to necessarily purchase the phone, but you haven't listed any reasons those people would choose another phone either.
@Rick_K .. large ugly icons, firstly they are live and dynamic tiles and not static icons in a grid. The UI is simply better than anything out there, that is if you first try it out.. In terms of ecosystem, Windows IE and Office is the largest out one there
@ninjacut
"The UI is simply better than anything out there Subjective, at best, why would I want a phone that is constantly transferring data over the network? In order for them to be live and dynamic, the phone would have to constantly be searching for updates from the sources. Do I really need to know that Jimmy just beat the 453 level on dungeons and dragons? Or that Jessy just logged into Microsoft messenger? I think not, but apparently you think its a great thing. I have seen the UI (at an AT&T store) and was not all that impressed with it. To me its like zooming in on a webpage, You can?tt see everything just a portion of it. Again not something I am interested in. So tell me what is so exciting and innovative about this UI? I do not have a MSN account, xbox, and do not work with Office that much (where I would consider editing a document on a tiny phone screen). I also do not like the ribbon interface, as I am fairly adept at using menus, learning a new interface is counter productive, and doesnt cut down on click to do the same action.
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@Rick_K Go do some research before FUD'ing here.

My wife uses her WP7 with her iMac. She can sync her un-DRM'd music, videos and photos just fine. She uses GMail with no problems at all. She loves mobile IE on the phone as it's much faster than mobile Safari on her old iPhone. She still uses Safari on her Mac even though I tried to get her to use Chrome.

She plays XBox Live games on her WP7 and the only thing she loses is not sharing her gamer score with the family Xbox. She could if she wanted to, but she can't be bothered as she doesn't play many games on the Xbox apart from Dance Central.

She didn't even need a computer to start using her new phone. She had it working at the AT&T store before she even left the building. It was happily downloading her e-mail and Facebook contacts before she even got back to the car. She didn't even set up a Windows Live account until a couple of days later.

See? No other Microsoft products required.

Oh, and by the way, she loves the Live Tiles on WP7. She can find things much faster than the cluttered "technicolor yawn" icons of the iPhone. There is a reason that most road signs use simple signage in two colors. Your brain can pick out the underlying message and react a lot faster.

I, on the other hand use my WP7 with my Windows 7 PC and I use the full Microsoft eco system because I like it better plus I can enjoy the best music and e-mail experience (Exchange) out there. Unlimited music downloads for $14.95? Sign me up.
@Rick_K While you don't have to use every Microsoft product in order to get something from this phone. I agree that doesn't mean they don't try and get you to do just that. A pocket knife cuts paper, sure...but scissors do it better. So if I don't have those things Windows phone is just another phone. Plus while calling them large ugly tiles is subjective. I agree the idea of dynamic tiles are only good for "status checking". I find when I really try and use the capabilities of the phone fully it's a novice and limiting concept that like Android widgets consumes battery life I don't need to expend and that unlike widgets, can't be changed.
@Rick_K GMail and Google Calendar work exactly like Windows Live and Exchange accounts. WP7 syncs with OSX and has 3rd party applications. Most games aren't Xbox Live enabled and Xbox Live is free on WP7 anyway. No need to switch to Windows PC, IE, MS Office and Xbox 360. Like I didn't switch from Windows and Firefox to OSX, Safari, Linux or Chrome because of my iPad and Galaxy S. I use open and closed source products from Google, Apple, MS and other origins. WP7 has a smooth UX that let?s me do so much more than just edit my OpenOffice docs on the go. And most of the time in less time.
@dazzlingd speaking of research, how about you take some of your own advice?
"My wife uses her WP7 with her iMac. She can sync her un-DRM'd music, videos and photos just fine."
Where does she sync her apps bought from the Zune market? Certainly not on an iMac (unless it?s running Windows xp SP3 or later) So Windows is required.

"She didn't even need a computer to start using her new phone. She had it working at the AT&T store before she even left the building."
Secondly you can get an iPhone activated at the apple store, so that make your point moot.

"Oh, and by the way, she loves the Live Tiles on WP7. She can find things much faster than the cluttered "technicolor yawn" icons of the iPhone.?
So she?s more comfortable with the "Monochromatic yawn" of windows phone 7 series? Better buy the unlimited data plan, or you might be in for a big surprise come billing time.

"I, on the other hand use my WP7 with my Windows 7 PC and I use the full Microsoft eco system because I like it better plus I can enjoy the best music and e-mail experience (Exchange) out there. Unlimited music downloads for $14.95? Sign me up.?
Subjective, first off you sound like a diehard windows Zealot. Best email? Only in your opinion. Unlimited music downloads? How many do you get to keep? THere is no subscription that let? you download 100+ songs a month and keep them, for $14.95.

It is really easy to dispel the Microsoft?s Zealots claims if one only looks at the facts.
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dazzlingd 10th Feb 2011
@Rick_K
Dude, we own WP7s, Macs and PCs. You don't.

Sure, you can sync the apps with Zune software on a PC, but unlike our old iPhones, we haven't had to restore the phones at all.

You still need a computer to use an iPhone or activate it whether it's yours or Apple's. You don't with WP7. Last year when we were abroad my iPhone crashed and required connection to iTunes. That was really painful to get it working again, and even when we got the phone reactivated, it had nothing in it, even the contacts were gone. MobileMe could have prevented that but it's $99 plus the cost of data roaming to restore the phone.

If you don't like monochromatic tiles then that's your choice, but we prefer them. Data usage is the same as notifications on an iPhone. Negligible.

And WP7, in my opinion, has the best e-mail experience. It definitely syncs calendars to Exchange way better than iPhone. But you forget, I have used them both extensively. You spent 2 mins in the AT&T store looking at monochromatic icons and obviously never used the phone.

So I'm a Microsoft Zealot? No, we own Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, HP, Canon, Nikon, Samsung and HTC products too. We like things and hate things about all of them.

We buy the best products for us, not just what Steve Jobs pushes down our throats.
@Rick_K

You are implying there are people who don't regularly use MS office. I never met one.
@Rick_K Most of your complaints are just a matter of preference, not product inferiority. I'm patiently waiting for a WP7 on SPRINT to replace my Touch Pro (Win 6.1) that has served me well with no issues for two years. I abhore the propietary control on my life that comes with iTunes and Apple in general so will always support any competitive product. I'd even consider an EVO 4G right now but for one thing - no Netflix streaming on Android due to unresolved piracy issues. Not an issue on WP7. And, like most in business or goverment employment (I consult to both), OFFICE and Outlook are a part of life and the mobile versions are critical to daily work. If the world of Windows is not a big part of your life, the attraction of a WP7 is maybe more elusive. Even without the MS sphere of product connections, I still like the dynamic tile design and other WP7 features. That is just MY preference so not something you can simply refute.
@Rick_K Here's the thing. I am an XBOX live user, love OneNote, use Windows Live Meeting and am very familiar with Microsoft Office products but I am moving to Google Apps because Microsoft can't seem to give me competitive, timely and integrated products that truly let me integrate my work and social while while I travel. I should be their target demographic - there are lots of us out there.
@dazzlingd - Dude you are so misinformed that you're making yourself look foolish.

NO, Windows is not required. Purchasing and syncing of apps is done via Zune Marketplace over the air, via a wifi connection or via Windows.

"Monochromatic yawn" of windows phone 7 series?" Do you really believe thats not subjective as well?

This is a Flat Out Lie: "Better buy the unlimited data plan, or you might be in for a big surprise come billing time."

"Subjective, first off you sound like a diehard windows Zealot." Childish and stupid!

"Unlimited music downloads? How many do you get to keep?" Let me educate you I speak from five years experience with the service.

The Zune Pass offers TRUE UNLIMITED music downloads (as much as you want) for $14.99 per month. In addition, you get to keep 10 DRM Free tracks EACH month. And to top it all off there are NO 30 second previews for tracks offered on Zune Pass.

Seems to me you are the zealot trying to spread as much misinformation about Zune, WP7 and any other Microsoft product that you can. Care you explain your embarrassing lack not knowledge?
@Rick_K Very true. It's very ms ecosystem oriented. Even more ecosystem oriented than the iPhone.
they might wanna wait till they announce nokia-microsoft partnership... and gain media attention. then after like two weeks, they might wanna announce updates. people will take wp7 seriously after the nokia deal (if that happens, of course)
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General C# 10th Feb 2011
Once upon a time not so long ago, I couldn't wait to get a WP7 device. However, over the past few months I've come to realize that Microsoft isn't to go to company for consumer products. So 2011 is the year I move from Windows 7 to Mac OS X Lion in July, iPad 2 in April, and from Android to iPhone 5 in July as well.

Steve Ballmer is asleep at the wheel and no matter how many senior management reshuffles he does, he is the problem. Microsoft's decision not to release a Windows Compact Embedded 7 tablet was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Goodbye Microsoft. It's been a great couple of decades, however, you're no longer what you once were. It took a full decade for us to truly feel the impact of Bill Gates departure. It's sad to think of the many amazing technologies created by Microsoft R&D that we'll never get our hands on. Well at least Apple delivers.
@General C# The slow pace is killing me too. I was even prepared to give up GMAIL and move to LIVE, but this slow pace is draining. And why of why do they not have a background MSN client written "in house"!!! Its their protocol, they have Devs to burn, yet they outsourced it to MIYOWA (what the heck!) Seriously, I've gone back to using my work blackberry for social media apps as the Windows 7 Phone just doesn't cut it. I like my phone, but unless they seriously add features VERY soon, I'll switch back to iPhone or Android on my next refresh. I think you are right, too many product managers and marketing droids getting in the way of coders making the consumer what they need. I live in hope, but my optimism is slowly fading as the months roll by. And I also agree, the TILES are too big. Fit all the pertinent info one the front screen. They can be glib about "glance and go", but you have to press a button then swipe to see info at the bottom. On a blackberry, all your alerts/notifications are on the top bar.
@hwangeruk@... LOL your a fool thinking going back to blackberry those phone sucks!
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I'm actually the oposite on this, for good reason
AllKnowingAllSeeing 10th Feb 2011
@General C# not long ago we looked at going with Macs in the house, but waited until the release of Windows 7 to get the best posible choices, and having seen Windows 7, we realized it what OS X should have been.

iPods and itunes looked fine, but from having looking into the Zune, found it better for our needs, and a lot better quailty then the iPod Touch (Zune just feels much sturdier, IMO)
With the issues now propping up with regards to Apple products, I'm not so sure I'm getting my money's worth with them.

WP7 is a departure from what was before, but having a WM6.5 phone, I like the fact that I see everything on the first screen nice and orginized, so I'll wait and see as I do have 3 months left before I can upgrade.

I almost became a "Mac convert" but found that for all the glitz around their products, it wasn't giving me anything better then I could do for less with MS or competing products.
@AllKnowingAllSeeing Coming from someone that is so ingrained it the Windows way of life, I see why you think that all Microsoft products are better. I actually use both, windows because its required, and Mac OS because I prefer it. Is the latest service pack for vista (windows 7) better than xp? Sure it?s only 10 years since xp was released. I can see the strengths, and weakness, of each system. Neither is perfect, but OS X suits my personal way of doing thing better than any version of Windows. Call me stubborn, but I do not like change for the sake of change.

I have seen a laptop (notebook) that was originally shipped with Vista home premium, ?upgraded? to Windows 7. TO be honest the laptop doesn?t boot up any faster, granted it runs a bit more stable, but is that really worth the cost? Applications do not load any faster (if they do it?s not by much), so I don?t see much of a benefit for the money spent. The install was smaller, but once you download the ?optional? pieces the install is about the same size as Vista.

Now take a laptop that came with Leopard and upgrade to Snow leopard. Boot times are minimally faster, and it runs as stable as before. Some of the applications do load faster, and the overall system install is smaller.
Not for boot up times, the Mac is often 20 seconds faster. For you that might not mean anything, but I appreciate the faster boot times as it allows me to got it up do what I need and get on with life. In a world where time is money, every second counts.

Now as far as you Zune comment, for me it?s non starter as I will not but a computer to use a Personal Music Player (PMP). An iPod can be used by a larger market segment than a Zune player (Mac and Windows vs. Windows only). To you the Zune ?feels much sturdier?, which again is subjective. To me it just feels heavier, and the UI is not as intuitive. My opinion is just as valid as your is. Then there is the whole ?Live ID? thing. Is it directly linked to your bank account? I don?t know about you, but I certainly do not want to trust my banking information to a faceless corporation. After all they could easily withdraw money form you account. I do not have my bank (or credit card) linked to my iTunes account, so there is on worry there. Can you do the same with Microsoft?s offerings? Things like this scare me:
http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070517#story1
I am looking for a link to the Scam Microsoft was running a few years back. This scam involved the customer getting a Live mail trial at a retailer, who?s cashier scanned the card then processed the transaction with the customers credit card. Even if the customer did not activate the live mail account they were charged.
@General C# who cares go leave dufest also just give you some tips windows 7 sold over 300 million software license and your mac os x snow leppard cant even top that. If you dont believe me dufest do a google search on windows 7 sold over 300 million. Microsoft is still on top maybe you should say bye bye MAC OSx hahahaha
Frustrated... if this update is missing any basic fixes (like the camera not saving settings or properly working Bluetooth audio) are we going to have to wait another 4 or 5 months for another update? That is unacceptable...

This slow pace is loosing MS customers and partners. Why is it do you think that HP felt the need to buy Palm or every other company is using Android? Because MS is struggling keep up.
@uberlaff I agree that it is frustrating. Personally, I don't care about copy and paste so this update will be almost worthless for me. I am more interested in them opening up the camera and compass APIs but that's definitely not coming in this update.

The question is, however, would you rather have them put out releases and not be able to get them or, once a release is out everyone gets it?

I opt for the latter and as long as it works, I will be pleased when it comes out. I wish there was some sort of beta program I could opt into so I could "feel" like they are moving.

Put this in perspective with Android that has a "fast" release cycle.
- 10.2% of phones are running 1.5 or 1.6 (Apr 2009, Sep 2009)
- 31% of phones are running 2.1 (Oct 2009)
- 57.7% of phones are running 2.2 (May 2010)
- 0.8% of phones are running 2.3 (Dec 2010)

Note that 2.3 has been out almost as long as WP7 and yet 100% of Microsoft phones are running the latest version vs. 1% for Android (I know that's not a fair comparison - read next sentence). If that trend continues after the first update, which presumably, is why we are all waiting, then WP7 will have a major advantage over Android.

I could use a little more transparency on Microsoft's part about this, but I am clinging to the hope that all of this waiting will ensure that I am not running version 1.5 nearly two years later.
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Sprint Phone 7
YukioCowboy 10th Feb 2011
And if you're on Sprint and can't switch, does that mean it'll be another month after March 8 before a WP7 device can be purchased? Also, if Microsoft is at the mercy of the carriers, then does this imply there will be very few OS updates once a phone is purchased? Not good.
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As it was pointed out below, This is the same issue
AllKnowingAllSeeing 10th Feb 2011
@JFDude
that many Android phones are suffering from, being at the mercy of the carriers for updates, and yes it effects different phones in different ways, but still not something I'd want rushed.
@AllKnowingAllSeeing This is the one joy that iPhone users have. Knowing that the updates, patches, etc will be timely. I am really surprised that Microsoft didn?t use that approach. IT make you honestly wonder what is modified by the vendor to make it work on their phones.
I would rather have an update that works, instead of one that might require a reset. If their testing has found an issue, they need to fix it, not just hope for the best.
I believe part of the problem is that per the Microsoft culture they are moving really fast on this. Consider Windows 95, which was started as a *quick* response to the fact that so many extant and new computers at the time NT came out were too wimpy to run NT.

I think there's some truth to my claim a decade and a half ago that the product got the name Windows 95 as a message to the engineers: "It comes out in '95, or you go out in '96."
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same problems android is facing
Ron Bergundy 10th Feb 2011
with updates being delivered when everyone other then the os make decies.
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But without the rooting escape hatch
daboochmeister 10th Feb 2011
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It is one thing not updating but there is absolutely no excuse for the silence as that is only making things far worse.

Developers at Microsoft keep delivering stellar products only to have half of their efforts squandered by management and marketing departments that seem hell bent on self-sabotage. Release some information damn it.
I want a WP7 on Verizon. I am willing to break my ATT contract and give up my iPhone cause I like it so much. Recently, I've even considered staying with ATT if WP7 would update their damn software. The way this is going, I'm just going to stick with the iPhone and change over the summer.
I'd rather see them get this patch right than release it and have it screw up. Hopefully Microsoft will announce that WP7 will be available on CDMA networks immediately. That would be a huge boost to the WP7 marketshare.
Had enough of waiting; im off to get a google nexus s, then iphone 5 in summer.

Has MS office and word but cant copy and paste? Whats the point. Has GPS but no street-by-street voice so u have to keep looking at ya little mobile and pressing through each map screen? Whats the point.
When you're already four years behind what difference is another few months going to make anyways. Hey Microsft guess what? That ship has sailed and you were not on it. Same deal for tablets. I'm no MS hater, but I am a pragmatist.
We love our Windows 7 phones. And rather than complaining endlessly to Microsoft (and various vendors) about what they're doing wrong, we send encouraging emails about what we like and what we hope will be coming soon. Apparently this method is naive and unconventional, but there is too much vitriol in the world for much less trivial reasons, so why NOT be unconventional?
I hate reading tech news about Microsoft. The story will start with the facts, then we get the commentary. Then the comparison to similar device/company. And then the comments! Oh my God we don't care why you think this is better than that. Why must you label someone as a fanboy if they use something you don't. To comment on this article, as I agree Microsoft should update the phones pretty soon, its not like they don't work until it gets an update. You didn't pay for the updates. Calm down and be patient. The update can really wait. Not a big deal at the moment.
I have an iPhone 4 and I have a WP7 Samsung Focus.
While the initial experience with the WP7 phone is nice, after a while you just realize that you can't do as much as easily with it.
Mail (even Exchange) is better on the iPhone. The current limit of a single calendar is kind of a pain and apparently is not slated to be addressed with this first update.
Live tiles are no big shakes... sorry. And after a while you realize it is just another grid of icons but in a more difficult to access configuration.

I had high hopes for this phone and OS, if the update is not going to add any significant changes, my alternate phone will be either the Atrix on AT&T or the Verizon Thunderbolt.
@Anim8me2 your a fool iphone is a joke phone too many bugs and glitches and not a very good phone to travel with and also not a business phone like the windows phone is both business and personal use. I can wait for the updates and not worry about too many bugs and glitches like what iphone still have. At least my windows phone 7 woke me up using the alarm clock :)-
I wish they would hurry up and come out with an update but to be fair, I will not slam them over it. It is the same timeframe as updates by all competitors.

And really, I have no choice. Iphone sucks and so does Android, WP7 is my only option for modern smartphone just like WM6.5 was before it.
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Try a "no show"...
james347 10th Feb 2011
...period.
@james347 your briain is a no show dufest
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Don't...
james347 10th Feb 2011
...talk to me.
apple iphone took them 1 year to get copy and paste and video recording feature which i also find that a Big joke. So stop complaing has at least microsoft will add it soon and not like we have to wait 1 yr like what they did to iphone.
LOL i love this a iphone users asked if he can use my windows phone 7 to make a call for tow truck and yes due to his iphone battery being totally DEAD... remember iphone battery is welded in and can't be Swapable for a newer battery. So love it when he said like your windows phone 7 very nice LOL. Yup Windows phone 7 saved his life hahahahah I am sticking to windows phone 7 and can wait for the updates.
@ipadsucks, Sweet, someone can steal your phone remove the battery and you can no longer track the phone or wipe the contents. Of course there is no way to "unpower" an iPhone so as long as the battery has a charge the owner at least has a chance to find it or wipe it.
"What's the holdup?"

It's probably 'holed' up Elop's ass so he has something to pull out during the big show today where he tells Nokia and the world ... 'Listen, we are going to kill MeeGo and go with Win Phone 7.'
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dfwekrwe30-24353599317173296911749257103268 10th Nov
tsntid,good post!

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