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Microsoft provides a first look at the Ribbonized Office for Mac 2011

By | February 11, 2010, 8:17am PST

Summary: The new Office for Mac 2011 release will add a Mac-customized version of Microsoft’s Ribbon interface; support for the Personal Folders (.PST) e-mail archiving protocol; and the ability to co-author documents with others using SkyDrive and SharePoint, Microsoft execs said on February 11.

In conjunction with this week’s Macworld 2010 conference, Microsoft is sharing more information about its Office for Mac 2011 product, due for release before the end of this year.

Microsoft officials announced in August 2009 that the company was working on a new version of its productivity suite for the Mac — which has been christened Office 2011 for Mac, officials said on February 11. Last year, Microsoft officials said the new suite would include Outlook in place of the current Entourage mail client, support for Microsoft’s information rights management (IRM) content protection, and support for Visual Basic.

On February 11, Microsoft made public more details about the forthcoming release, which is still due out before the end of 2010, officials reconfirmed today. The new release will add a Mac-customized version of Microsoft’s Ribbon interface; support for the Personal Folders (.PST) e-mail archiving protocol; and the ability to co-author documents with others using SkyDrive and SharePoint.

Microsoft isn’t making pricing, recommended system specs or a test build of the new suite available this week. (I asked whether the new release would support Apple’s iPad, and was told “we are looking into the iPad though we having nothing firm to share at this time.” Office Web Apps are supported on the iPhone already.)

Office for Mac 2011 is all about maintaining and improving compatibility with the Windows versions of Office, said Amanda Lefebvre, Senior Marketing Manager with Microsoft’s Mac Business Unit. To that end, Microsoft is adding support for .PST. And the next Mac Office is getting the Ribbon interface like Office 2007 and Office 2010 include.

The Ribbon on the Mac version of Office isn’t identical to the Windows Office one. According to Microsoft, the Mac Office 2011 Ribbon will be “an evolution of the Office 2008 Elements Gallery and uses the classic Mac menu and Standard Toolbar giving you the best of both worlds.” For those who prefer keyboard shortcuts, the Mac Office Ribbon and toolbar will be collapsable/hideable.

Microsoft providing to Office for Mac 2011 users the same “co-authoring” tools that Windows Office users have — specifically the ability to work with others on a single file directly from inside Office via SkyDrive or SharePoint. And because Microsoft’s forthcoming Microsoft Office Web Apps (the Webified versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint and OneNote) are “browser-agnostic,” Office for Mac 2011 users will be able to access them using Safari or Firefox on the Mac, said Mike Tedesco, Senior Product Manager with Microsoft’s MacBU.

“Three quarters of our Mac users are using PCs on a regular basis,” said Tedesco. “That’s why we want to provide a consistent UI with the Ribbon,” .PST, co-authoring tools and other functionality.

Microsoft is entering into a “very closed beta” with Office for Mac 2011, which it plans to broaden this summer, company officials said. Company officials aren’t providing a release-to-manufacturing target date, other than to say the product will be on store shelves in time for the Holiday 2010 season.

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RE: Microsoft provides a first look at the Ribbonized Office for Mac 2011
jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
Insightful submit, it really is. Its essentially quite often awesome to run into a publish that's cheap jerseys helpful.
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I'd like a non-ribbon interface without having to resort to 3rd part apps...
Amen
The developer that invented the ribbon should find another job. What were they thinking?
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Then go use Office 2003
de-void-21165590650301806002836337787023 11th Feb 2010
Personally, I absolutely love the Ribbon as it makes it FAR easier to find functionality that was previously hidden several levels deep somewhere in an archaic hierarchical menu.

The ribbon also makes it SIMPLE to reach each and every ribbon item via the keyboard (hit ALT and follow the hot hints): This has boosted my productivity enormously.
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Agreed
Cylon Centurion 11th Feb 2010
I'm glad they finally added it to OneNote now. Being a student trying to keep a notebook just became 10x easier.
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After a year of ribbons...
Bruizer Updated - 11th Feb 2010
The software designeer that invented them should be asking "Do you
want fries with that?"

Simply can't stand the ribbon interface. Too jumpy and inconsistent on
trying to always find things. RPITA.
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jimk_z 11th Feb 2010
Yeah but at the same time the ribbon makes you have to hunt around for some of the very basic things.
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I don't think you're going to get one
Cylon Centurion Updated - 11th Feb 2010
First of all, people would *scream* bloody murder for Microsoft adding "more bloat" to the code base. Whatever guys.

And second, Microsoft looks to be retiring the menu based UI's across all of its products in favor of a better UI.


Personally, I like it more though, it adds more appeal, and as more and more touch based computer find their way to the market, it adds function. Its easier to touch the buttons on the Ribbon, then trying to navigate through the smaller touch areas of a menu.
It's just another step in the endless cycle of technology evolution. It sure won't be the last either, but as more and more kids are growing up around technology and the constant changes it brings, and more and more of the resistance from the older folks who are set in their ways (Baby Boomers, et al.) disappears, it shouldn't be much of a problem anymore.
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I'm early thirties and my wife is in her late
20's and we both dislike using the Ribbon. And
contrary to me having fun here arguing over OS's
I do give things a shot. Maybe its me but when I
get down to repetitive work on things like
making a presentation it turned into a pain.
Something I needed at the forefront would keep
moving and I've had to go through additional
steps to perform that function again. The things
I needed seemed to be more buried now than
before which is the opposite of what the ribbon
is supposed to do.

I figure maybe its useful for some peoples work
habits but I really don't think the people
complaining about it are doing so out of MS
hate. For some peoples work habits its more of a
problem. I guess it would be a serious
development nightmare to keep up both interfaces
but I'm sure many people would welcome the
ability to turn it off.
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customize your quick access toolbar
Just_Another_IS_Guy 11th Feb 2010
My thinking was the same till I customized the quick access toolbar. Maybe you have tried this and it still doesn't work for you, maybe not. Just adding my 2 cents since I had the same frustrations.

To add often used items to your quick access toolbar, right click just above the ribbon menu, on the same line as HOME, INSERT...
Then find the items to add to the quick access bar.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA012341051033.aspx
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Quick Access Toolbar rocks!
TheRealFloyd Updated - 11th Feb 2010
I've not used the ribbon but once or twice since setting up my Quick
Access Toolbar -- I basically leave it hidden all the time. Not only do I
have the commands I use most frequently, but also the groups that I use
most frequently. I also placed it below the menu so that it wouldn't
interfere with the window title bar up top, and making it easier to access.
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At least you give them a shot
Cylon Centurion 11th Feb 2010
A lot of people on here won't do that out of pure zealotry.

But there will always be others like you. No two computer users are the same, and as such it is extremely difficult to design a product that everyone will like while at the same time, trying to implement newer features/functions/designs.
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He is NOT the exception. Ribbons are OK if you really do not use the
features of Word or simply don't know it. They help a little bit.

For those that know Word, they are very frustrating.
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I must be a rare case then
Cylon Centurion 11th Feb 2010
NT
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Yes you are, Nicholas
Wintel_BSOD 12th Feb 2010
We know how easily wowed you are with eye candy.

I too find the Quick Access toolbar to be the only thing that makes Office 2007 bearable to use at work.
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Hopefully some day you will be old as well.
BubbaJones_ Updated - 11th Feb 2010
If one was born when the first version of MS Office arrive, I believe
1987, or ten years later they learned as did millions of others the File
Edit View menu. All office suites from all vendors, and standalone
word processor, spreadsheets, and other programs followed the same
menu structure with slight variations.

Millions of folks are now required to learn a completely new system.
Learning something new isn't a bad thing however, dig back in your
memory. Recall when many cities, municipalities, school systems etc.
around the world were looking to go to Open Office and their ilk, one
of the main selling points MS strongly put forth was "a different
product with its different look and feel would create a learning curve
costing much money in down time, lose of productivity, training cost,
etc creating undo harm to them and users". Seems to me that is
exactly what this ribbon thingy-bob has created.

With the ribbon we have some difficulty walking folks through steps
being as we don't know what they see. The File Edit View menu is
much easier. We couldn't get folks to find the Print options menu so
we had them do Ctrl P.

This issue has nothing do do with age or being set in ones ways. It
has all to do with mnemonics, and muscle memory. For years we all
learned and became proficient with File Edit View, now we have the
ribbon. If it was my choice I'd like to have the option to go back to the
File Edit View or at least see it at the top along with the ribbon.

aj.redmond commented about using iWork, completely I agree with
him(her). At present my use of MS Office is for assisting others with
their projects; for my projects I use iWork. Yes, I am a MS Office super
user, both supporting it for clients, and creating corporate
documents.

YMMV
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That's exactly my point
Cylon Centurion 11th Feb 2010
"With the ribbon we have some difficulty walking folks through steps
being as we don't know what they see. The File Edit View menu is
much easier. We couldn't get folks to find the Print options menu so
we had them do Ctrl P.

This issue has nothing do do with age or being set in ones ways. It
has all to do with mnemonics, and muscle memory. For years we all
learned and became proficient with File Edit View, now we have the
ribbon. If it was my choice I'd like to have the option to go back to the
File Edit View or at least see it at the top along with the ribbon."


Younger folks better understand the technology around them. And they better understand the changes that are made to their favorite gadgets from year to year. They know what a processor and RAM are, they know what a UI is. They're more open to change than their parents are. I see more parents asking their kids to do this and that for them when it comes to texting, printing, etc... Basically anything that has to do with tech.

With the older folks, you have to sit there and hand walk them through everything, and even they get lost. They have no understanding of computer tech, to them muscle memory is all they have, and when something goes wrong, they don't know what to do. They didn't go up with it from a younger age, they were just thrown into it, with few ever bothering to learn what was really going on. And as a result of that, they're too afraid of venturing outside of what they know.


My belief is as a result of that, resistance to change will eventually disappear. Of course you going to have people who don't like this or that, but it won't be because it is different, or not what they're used to.
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If that was truly a case generalization
Wintel_BSOD 12th Feb 2010
Then you shouldn't have had any problem using Linux or Apple.

But we know that's not the case.. wink

Younger folks better understand the technology around them. And they better understand the changes that are made to their favorite gadgets from year to year. They're more open to change than their parents are.

LOL... grin
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Define old, it is attitude not age...
BubbaJones_ 12th Feb 2010
A while back I supported a company that have managers around the
country in their late 20s and 30s. Some were afraid of e-mail and
computers. When they were on the road their secretaries would fax
them documents, they would write on the fax then fax back to their
secretaries. They didn't want to learn, they fought anything that had to
do with computers. In the office or on the road we would attempt
walking them through things; frustrating. The owner of the company
was in his late 70s or early 80s, he was very computer literate.

The folks we have issues with are the young much more than your so
called old. The young have attitudes with short attention spans, the
older workers have more patience and know their limitations. Our
older workers are grateful for the time we spend. Often the young
worker is mentally someplace else, we have to keep bringing them
back to what we're working on. The older worker has been through
more changes and used to changes whereas not the younger workers.
Maybe overly general perhaps, however it is what I have to deal with.

Back to the Ctrl P. Many, what you call young folks, don't know
keyboard short cuts so when we have to walk them through using
them they're confused, they're only icon clickers. When they're on a XP
box sometimes we need to do command line stuff it causes their eyes
to glass over. After walking a young person through a few steps using
keyboard short cuts and Cmd stuff, I hear him say in a exasperated
voice stated, "how was I supposed to know that it isn't in the ribbon I
don't see it?"; gosh, his statement threw me aback. I told him "it is
called experience".

Remember, we were all younger, and if we are lucky we will become
old as well; I hope to. Do you want someone to look at you (regardless
of your present age) thinking "ah the ole trilobite". I know many 70,
80, year olds that can run computer rings around your so called
young computer users.

Some day we will wish someone will "hand walk" us through what we
don't know, don't understand, don't comprehend.
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Have they found a "better UI" yet?
Bruizer 11th Feb 2010
Ribbons are a horrid excuse for a UI and are a serious detriment to
people that actually know the product. For noobs, the seem to be a
wash.
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noob?
Cylon Centurion 11th Feb 2010
I'm not a noob. I've been using Office since WFW 3.1 happy
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Hey!! I am offended by that remark ! .....
babyboomer57 Updated - 12th Feb 2010
"the resistance from the older folks who are set in their ways (Baby Boomers, et al.) disappears"

Not really, young'un happy

Some of us welcome change, gives us old geezers something to do!
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Ahahahaha
Cylon Centurion 12th Feb 2010
I'm sorry! happy

There is an exception to every rule it seems!
and it does look better. Oh and I'm in my 40's so I'm not some college kid. Our company uses it and I was actually blown away - there was little complaints from anyone...very odd. And we have some very hard headed users - like finance and Excel - wizards of the keyboard...I just thought that was odd. I'm beta testing 2010 now.
In the Windows version of 2007, god help you if you needed to scan something directly into your document. Hopefully a step backwards that has now been fixed.
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The screenshot is hilarious
SomeAmericanGuy 11th Feb 2010
There are so many toolbars at the top there's practically no
working space. Go Microsoft!
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Are you kidding?
MarkKB Updated - 11th Feb 2010
Looking at the screenshot, only about 10-15% of the document window is taken up by the ribbon. 75%-80% is by no means "practically no working space".
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Measure
jragosta 12th Feb 2010
Maybe you should try measuring to get an estimate.

The total window height (which does NOT include Apple's menu items) is
4.7". The height of the editing area is 2.6". That means that only 55% of
the window height is editable.

Granted, this will change on a larger screen, but the default that they're
showing has just over half of the window height editable, NOT 10-15".
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Worse on widescreen displays
webgecko_z 12th Feb 2010
Don't forget that with widescreen displays (more accurately referred to as short-screen displays) you get less vertical height than with comparably sized 4:3 displays. I don't think Microsoft and manufacturers will be happy until user content disappears entirely from the screen, leaving only the ribbon.
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It's mostly the arrangement of the UI that's causing it to look that way.

-The quick access toolbar is on its own line instead of being on the same line as the title. That adds a bit of height.

-There's more icons on the quick access toolbar than the defaults. Adds to the cluttered look.

-The top menu on a Mac is permanent. That's lost real estate, no matter what.

-There seems to be more horizontal lines than the Office 2007 UI, which makes it look a bit more cluttered.

-The search bar is new.

Overall, it looks like the same number of toolbars - just arranged differently. They can't do much about the Mac's menu, and for some reason they added a search box.
If Office 2k11 for Mac is like Office 2k7 for Windows, all one needs to do is double-click on the Ribbon, and it retracts (hides). Clicking on a tab restores it. Simple...just like you.
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tracy anne 11th Feb 2010
that's 1. It's all I need.
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Ribbon FAIL.
nix_hed 11th Feb 2010
Microsoft had something good with the Pallet interface
introduced with Mac Office back in... I think 1998, if not
earlier? Even the friends of mine that swear by Windows
like the Pallet in Mac Office better than the Ribbon or the
piles of toolbars... and since Macs that will be able to run
Office 2011 are going to generally have widescreen
monitors (I'm betting Intel only), the Pallet still makes
sense, since it can sit off to the right and out of your
workspace.

Speaking of system requirements, I'm betting on Intel only,
2 GB of RAM, and a GeForce 8600 or better or ATI 2600 or
better for optimal performance with 4 GB of RAM and a
GeForce 8800 or ATI 4670 or better to get more than 30
FPS from Excel 3D charts...lol.
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What a waste of time!
jk_10 11th Feb 2010
Anybody using a macantash? I can't even spell that word.

I saw a few people actually holding a mac laptop, i don't think they are doing anything, just show people are the proud tiny minorities.

I am disgusted.
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Macintosh
Cylon Centurion Updated - 11th Feb 2010
And yes, people use them. About half of my co-students at school are sporting a MacBook.

If they weren't so damn pricey, I'd have one by now too.
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re: what a waste of time
soverel33 11th Feb 2010
your grammar is pretty bad too. you should be proud.

As for the ribbon - the default slide size is a 4:3 ratio, which means
you should be designing a GUI to take advantage of the room on the
sides provided by most current laptops/monitors (16:10).

the "styles" section wastes the most space on the new design and
could easily be stacked instead of stretched. also - the icons don't
need to have words to describe them (shapes, text box, and picture
icons have been the same for years and people know what they are -
you can have the name pop up on a rollover anyway.)

it would be nice to have a bit of space on the top for customization so
you can put nested buttons that you frequently use on the top layer.
that option seems to have gone away (speculation based on the photo)

last thing - the menu on the top is there for a reason - when you send
the cursor toward any of the 4 sides or corners of a monitor you don't
have to worry about overshooting what you are looking for because
the cursor stops. this requires less precise actions by the user and
ultimately saves time.
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Please don't feed microsoft
HypnoToad72 11th Feb 2010
They should be capable of hiring proper help and not needing you and I to
point out the obvious to them.

But it's cheaper for them to fish for information like this. Then again, without
citing references nobody will believes claims of MS cheapness.....
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Why are you disgusted?
HypnoToad72 11th Feb 2010
Because you cannot spell "Macintosh"?

Not only was your jab a 'fail', it might rebound or reflect on you too...
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I'd be disgusted to, unless they were
Ron Bergundy 11th Feb 2010
using them to run Linux, then I could see the smarts in doing so.
LOL...
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But we have Wintards like you...
Wintel_BSOD 12th Feb 2010
we can uphold as examples as to why we left Windoze to begin with...
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Your defending "Linux all..." ouch! nt
ItsTheBottomLine 13th Feb 2010
nt
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I don't have to defend Linux
Wintel_BSOD 13th Feb 2010
With only 1% of the marketshare, it doesn't have much to lose, now does it.

However, we all know the Goliath in Redmond hates bad press, now don't we?

wink

That's why they hire guys like you to come on here, right?

lol... grin
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Sarcasm?
ITsupportGuy 14th Feb 2010
Was that sarcasm? I hope so. Microsoft's own internal numbers put GNU/Linux market share at around 9% and slightly larger than Apple's market share. These are not the kinds of numbers Microsoft wants fed into the press of course, so you'll see 1% being hammered away at until the cows come home.
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LOL - - not entirely
Wintel_BSOD Updated - 14th Feb 2010
Was that sarcasm? I hope so. Microsoft's own internal numbers put GNU/Linux market share at around 9% and slightly larger than Apple's market share. These are not the kinds of numbers Microsoft wants fed into the press of course, so you'll see 1% being hammered away at until the cows come home

Oh I see, so now it's 9% and not 1%...

I guess the Wintel fanboys will fudge the figures whenever it suits them, huh...

Well I'll play their game and leave it at 1% here. It makes them feel better.

lol.... grin
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Amazing
jragosta 12th Feb 2010
"Anybody using a macantash? I can't even spell that word. "

What's it like running around bragging to the entire world that you're
stupid?
this reminds me of coding in Perl - too many ways to do the same thing just create a mess.

The ribbon is fantastic on Windows and think it's one of the best things that Microsoft ever did to office, but it just won't work on MacOS - the additional standard Apple menu at the top in addition to the ribbon just makes the whole screen look too cluttered.
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bloudraak Updated - 11th Feb 2010
The additional toolbar is just redundant and additional menu items are
redundant. I'd feel more comfortable if they copied the Windows Ribbon
styles and all, improve on it, or leave it alone.

I like the simplicity of Lotus Symphony and iWorks. However, due to
rendering differences between them and Microsoft Office, I still use
Office on the mac. Usability of OpenOffice on the mac is pretty awful.
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Pretty much forced to . . .
CobraA1 11th Feb 2010
"According to Microsoft, the Mac Office 2011 Ribbon will be 'an evolution of the Office 2008 Elements Gallery and uses the classic Mac menu and Standard Toolbar giving you the best of both worlds.'"

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that they're actually reluctant to do this. The Ribbon was essentially supposed to be a replacement of the menus and toolbars - and, unlike on the PC, you can't really get rid of the menu on a Mac.

"For those who prefer keyboard shortcuts, the Mac Office Ribbon and toolbar will be collapsable/hideable."

Which is the same on the PC, actually. There's a collapse button in Office 2010, and in 2007 you can double click the ribbon to hide it.

In Office 2007, some people might not discover how to collapse the ribbon it due to the fact that there's no visible UI to collapse the 2007 ribbon.

I do hope that's not the final art for Office on the Mac - it looks pretty cluttered.
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Cylon Centurion Updated - 11th Feb 2010
Needs some refinement, and better integration with Aqua. But a step in the right direction as well.
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jackson1984-24316069205748857739440257893812 10th Oct
Insightful submit, it really is. Its essentially quite often awesome to run into a publish that's cheap jerseys helpful.

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